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    TPTB Why its you!!
    There is no other according to the Self Realized.
    So the way to transcend the "evil" is through prayer and meditation.
    David Icke recommends this.
    He has said "There is only love the rest is an illusion"
    Raise you consciousness and you raise the collective.
    2030 -36 is touted as the great awakening -- TPTB (ego) know this and does everything that it can to prevent it.

    There is nowhere that "God" is not.
    You are That -- Thou are That..
    All will be well but tough times ahead in Maya.
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    David Icke's interview today with Brian Rose from London Real is now here. The very beginning is cut off, but according to one of the comments, all that's really missing is Brian Rose's introduction.

    Once again, David nails it.

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Billy Te Kahika holds a meeting in response to New Zealand lockdown.







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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Most evidence would say the British Empire is not the same as the Jesuit one even into the twentieth century.

    To paraphrase Quigley on 19th century Synarchy that did not yet have a "system", there was, mysteriously enough, a secret society called Cecil Rhodes’ Secret Society, to serve as a form of religious brotherhood based on the Jesuit model, and was to be devoted to the extension of the British Empire across the globe.

    So it was "based" on them, it was not them taking over England--nor was there a global system:

    When Rhodes died in 1902, the leadership of the society passed largely to [Alfred] Milner, who shared the same goal as Rhodes of creating a truly global empire, which would be brought about by “secret political and economic influence behind the scenes and by control of journalistic, educational and propaganda agencies”.

    That is the definition of Synarchy, i. e., secret, and this was Quigley's only real criticism; he liked it, and thought it should be open Oligarchy.

    The nuts and bolts of the same power regime as today were found in the Boer War, an overtly capitalist war that used mass produced propaganda for public support, and blatant racist advertising.

    Milner played a core role in South Africa for years, including being one of the British officials who tried to cover-up the horrors of concentration camps used by the British during the Second Boer War. Between June 1901 and May 1902, approximately 28,000 people died, 22,000 of which were children, in British concentration camps in Southern Africa, and Milner was brought in to try and clean the mess up, resulting in him trying to find ways to spin the disaster to make it more palatable to the British public back home.

    An approximate equal and successor is that father of freedom, Churchill:


    The young Churchill played his part enthusiastically in all kinds of imperial atrocities. When concentration camps were built in South Africa, for white Boers, he said they produced “the minimum of suffering.” The Boer death toll was in fact almost 28,000.

    So he was participating in killing other "white people" behind an artistic facade which mocked them in a way equating them to animals.

    Churchill further announced:

    “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”

    This is the same British Imperialism as in the CFR, through which they had already clamped down on the U. S. in Roosevelt's era, and is still obeyed, like a puppy, by Hillary Clinton, among others. Same thing as Herrenvolk, different language.

    By 1975, the CFR already had a multiple-disasters power projection plan, to cause problems and answer with world government, extended through the National Endowment for Democracy. According to Engdahl:

    The NED and its various offshoots was created in the 1980’s by CIA head Bill Casey as a covert CIA tool to overthrow specific regimes around the world under the cover of a human rights NGO. In fact, they get their money from Congress and from USAID.

    Casey is famously attributed the line about when nothing the American public knows is real, the CIA's mission is accomplished. If, in their opinion, this work is done, we might agree about that.

    The "color revolution" technique started feebly in Poland and improved in Yugoslavia. He goes on to describe financial backers of the current protests, such as Ford and Rockefeller (the main arteries of the U. N.), as well as possibly perceived rivals such as Soros.

    In Belgrade:

    Trained squads of activists were deployed in protests to take over city blocks with the aid of ‘intelligence helmet’ video screens that give them an instantaneous overview of their environment. Bands of youth converging on targeted intersections in constant dialogue on cell phones, would then overwhelm police. The US government spent some $41 million on the operation. Student groups were secretly trained in the Sharp handbook techniques of staging protests that mocked the authority of the ruling police, showing them to be clumsy and impotent against the youthful protesters. Professionals from the CIA and US State Department guided them behind the scenes.

    Lincoln has supposedly blamed the Jesuits for promising weapons to the Confederacy in the name of Democracy.

    Americans Warned of Jesuitism (1851) refers to Usury. and to the Afnair suit in France. Here is Full Text.

    Jesuits Complete History (1883) combines it with fraudulent bankruptcy.

    Jesuit Order and Origin (1848) refers to fractional reserve lending at 41 : 1.

    There is a view that after Rome was sacked by Charles V Spain in 1527, Switzerland became the repository for remaining papal wealth; this being the root of the Bank of International Settlements. The Jesuit Order, formed shortly after the attack, brainstormed in all the universities and came to the conclusion that Usury is the best usurper of nations.

    Since this was evidently understood by revolutionaries such as Washington, Adams, Franklin, M. de Lafayette, that is to say there is a faction of Masonry that is against what they typically called Usury, which is more or less a Biblical term for unfair practices. The Anti-Masonic Party is an 1801 Jesuit-induced rebuttal which reverses this. In France, of course, it was true that there were Masons on all sides of the issues, but the American resistance was fairly clear.

    The Bank of International Settlements spawned out of the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles, i. e., there were generations of crazy things going on for the German Mark, until, with a lot of private British and American investment, it re-industrialized and worked its way into a definite payment plan, which, was almost taken care of, but, recently, someone in Greece is making a claim. So, although Bank of England was probably the first bank "of a country", since it is now part of the BiS system, it appears the Jesuits and the British have reconciled over their main love, money.

    I imagine it would be almost impossible to find any Jesuit fingerprints on the scenes today, since, they have achieved "voluntary service" from many people, doubly so if the CIA's mission has worked. That is one of the nearest things to perfection in a Machiavellian sense. Buddhism considers it a worse temptation than merely being able to get whatever you want.

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    "IT WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS!" | Robert Kiyosaki

    "Not sure I believe this says Chris"



    Clarification from Bill: This is Kiyosaki's prediction of the collapse of the Repo market in the Fall, and consequently the implosion of 401k pensions. (He may be right.)
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Atlanta police walking off the job?

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    Atlanta police walking off the job?
    Seems like this might be happening. (And in my personal opinion based on what I believe I know, that would be rather understandable.)


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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    The lynch mob now turns on the police. Watch as more chaos and conflict will develop amid the growing witch-hunt hysteria, with police officers everywhere deciding it's just not worth it to continue to try to do their job.

    A new career in private security, probably much better paid and with much more anonymity, will be looking far more attractive to many.

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    An excellent article on the reality of what is going on in America when the Catholic Supreme Court Chief Justice and five other Justices vote against God’s creation of human sexuality.

    The article ends with this paragraph, a reference to the domination of worldliness in the United States which is increasing daily.

    "Fighting this may not work. That two-thirds of our nation’s highest court clearly despise the Constitution and the way of life it protects, and which it is their sole job to defend, may be yet another indication that the United States we know and love is heading into a dark night of oblivion, like all empires before it. If that is the case, however, I’m going down fighting as hard as I can."

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/16...-constitution/

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    On a lighter note, this guy's response to a pig-ignorant CNN anchor, while munching on raw ramen noodles, made me laugh out loud:

    https://9gag.com/gag/aQd9L32
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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Here's a 5,600 word article by Matt Bracken, that he originally wrote in 2012 and then reposted unchanged on 31 May 2020. That's 18 long days ago.

    The site it was on is down, and it wasn't on archive.org. But I found the whole thing still on a Google cache, and PDFed it.

    I don't believe it's any kind of call to violence. It's far more like a worst-case-scenario warning.

    In earlier years, I've several times posted a similar article written by Al Martin in 2004 (republished by Jeff Rense in 2008), called Protocols for Economic Collapse in America.

    That article, well worth reading and understanding by anyone now, describes what would roll out (and is already written in law, hence the "Protocols" title) if all hell breaks loose and the structure of US society is badly damaged. Matt Bracken's article is quite closely related.

    When the Music Stops: How America's Cities may Explode in Violence


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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Below is a bit more "on the ground" local reporting of the situation in Atlanta. But I will say, this is going to get worse before it gets better. Police across the country are facing a reckoning, one which is really only partially their making. The system is corrupt. And trying to paint over rotten wood just isn't going to fix anything, much less trying to say that the wood is not even rotten.

    If America is being "taken down" it's as much due to her own choices as it is to any outside influences. There is so much ancestral trauma from so many different angles that is being exposed right now---there is no easy way out. Cleaning out these wounds that have been festering for generations is going to be painful.

    Those that would like for BLM to just disappear are ignorant to how deep this wound goes. The systemic bigotry and corruption have rotted our entire justice system to its core. Those who just want some reform are basically calling for a little bit of paint over rotted wood. Those that want to complain about how the movement has been hijacked are missing the point. Of course the movement has been hijacked! Every. single. meaningful. movement toward addressing corruption. That does not mean that people should stop fighting.

    I do wonder that while the rot is being exposed, what will people do when they see how truly deep it is?

    In the end, it is my hope that the rot will be removed and that we will have a better world for it. But it's not going to be easy, and it will be painful.

    Atlanta Police walk out following murder charge against officer who shot Rayshard Brooks
    Atlanta, GA — The head of Atlanta’s police union confirmed Wednesday that officers from the Atlanta Police Department in Zones 3 and 6 walked off the job Wednesday afternoon.

    Vince Champion, southeast regional director of the International Brotherhood of Police officers, said that police officers had stopped answering calls midshift, in response to charges against Officer Garrett Rolfe who is accused of murdering Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta.

    “The union, we would never advocate this. We wouldn’t advocate a blue flu,” Champion said. “We don’t know the numbers. Apparently we’re learning that command staff are asking outlying counties for support and aren’t getting it.”

    Decaturish has calls out to public affairs officers in Gwinnett, DeKalb and Cobb counties for confirmation.

    A spokesperson for APD called reports of a walkout “inaccurate.”

    “Earlier suggestions that multiple officers from each zone had walked off the job were inaccurate,” the spokesperson said. “However, the department is experiencing a higher than usual number of call-outs with the incoming shift. We have enough resources to maintain operations and remain able to respond to incidents throughout the city.”

    Zones 3 and 6 cover south Atlanta, where Rolfe killed Rayshard Brooks after a June 12 DUI arrest turned into an altercation. Rolfe fired three bullets at Brooks as he fled with a taser in hand. Video of the shooting suggests Brooks pointed the taser at officers as he fled.

    A protest the next day descended into vandalism and the arson of the Wendy’s restaurant where the shooting occurred. Police and state fire officials have offered a reward for tips leading to the arrest and prosecution of the arsonists.

    Champion accused Paul Howard, Fulton county’s district attorney, of lying about what is happening in a press conference earlier today when Howard suggested that officer Devin Brosnan had turned state’s evidence and is testifying.

    “The attorney for the officer said that’s not true two minutes later, and said he’s not pleading guilty and not offering state’s evidence,” Champion said.

    Other local media are seeing evidence of the walkout.

    Atlanta INtown reports, “A drive around Zone 6 indicated there was not the usual APD presence. A Georgia State Patrol unit was handling a two-car accident at Boulevard and Edgewood Avenue around 9 p.m. The APD’s precinct at Wellstar Atlanta Medical Center appeared empty. Down in Grant Park, the Zone 3 precinct was populated by Fulton County Sheriff units.”

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    All this rioting and Lamestream lying is because the Rothschilds are pissed that Trump took the Federal Reserve banks away from them. And they want him gone in any way possible. You can see by all the ppl involved (and there are so many of them from different walks of life) are bought and paid for by the Soroses on behalf of the Rothschilds. It's shocking!

    Can anyone see past the money or benefits long enough to figure out that they've been used?

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    Default Re: The planned takedown of America: now (June 2020) in full swing.

    Quote Posted by Sarah Rainsong (here)
    Below is a bit more "on the ground" local reporting of the situation in Atlanta. But I will say, this is going to get worse before it gets better. Police across the country are facing a reckoning, one which is really only partially their making. The system is corrupt. And trying to paint over rotten wood just isn't going to fix anything, much less trying to say that the wood is not even rotten.

    If America is being "taken down" it's as much due to her own choices as it is to any outside influences. There is so much ancestral trauma from so many different angles that is being exposed right now---there is no easy way out. Cleaning out these wounds that have been festering for generations is going to be painful.

    Those that would like for BLM to just disappear are ignorant to how deep this wound goes. The systemic bigotry and corruption have rotted our entire justice system to its core. Those who just want some reform are basically calling for a little bit of paint over rotted wood. Those that want to complain about how the movement has been hijacked are missing the point. Of course the movement has been hijacked! Every. single. meaningful. movement toward addressing corruption. That does not mean that people should stop fighting.

    I do wonder that while the rot is being exposed, what will people do when they see how truly deep it is?

    In the end, it is my hope that the rot will be removed and that we will have a better world for it. But it's not going to be easy, and it will be painful.

    Atlanta Police walk out following murder charge against officer who shot Rayshard Brooks
    Atlanta, GA — The head of Atlanta’s police union confirmed Wednesday that officers from the Atlanta Police Department in Zones 3 and 6 walked off the job Wednesday afternoon.

    Vince Champion, southeast regional director of the International Brotherhood of Police officers, said that police officers had stopped answering calls midshift, in response to charges against Officer Garrett Rolfe who is accused of murdering Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta.

    “The union, we would never advocate this. We wouldn’t advocate a blue flu,” Champion said. “We don’t know the numbers. Apparently we’re learning that command staff are asking outlying counties for support and aren’t getting it.”

    Decaturish has calls out to public affairs officers in Gwinnett, DeKalb and Cobb counties for confirmation.

    A spokesperson for APD called reports of a walkout “inaccurate.”

    “Earlier suggestions that multiple officers from each zone had walked off the job were inaccurate,” the spokesperson said. “However, the department is experiencing a higher than usual number of call-outs with the incoming shift. We have enough resources to maintain operations and remain able to respond to incidents throughout the city.”

    Zones 3 and 6 cover south Atlanta, where Rolfe killed Rayshard Brooks after a June 12 DUI arrest turned into an altercation. Rolfe fired three bullets at Brooks as he fled with a taser in hand. Video of the shooting suggests Brooks pointed the taser at officers as he fled.

    A protest the next day descended into vandalism and the arson of the Wendy’s restaurant where the shooting occurred. Police and state fire officials have offered a reward for tips leading to the arrest and prosecution of the arsonists.

    Champion accused Paul Howard, Fulton county’s district attorney, of lying about what is happening in a press conference earlier today when Howard suggested that officer Devin Brosnan had turned state’s evidence and is testifying.

    “The attorney for the officer said that’s not true two minutes later, and said he’s not pleading guilty and not offering state’s evidence,” Champion said.

    Other local media are seeing evidence of the walkout.

    Atlanta INtown reports, “A drive around Zone 6 indicated there was not the usual APD presence. A Georgia State Patrol unit was handling a two-car accident at Boulevard and Edgewood Avenue around 9 p.m. The APD’s precinct at Wellstar Atlanta Medical Center appeared empty. Down in Grant Park, the Zone 3 precinct was populated by Fulton County Sheriff units.”


    Hi Sarah, compared to some kind of unrealistic, hypothetical utopia, the U.S. appears to be rotten. but compared to the rest of the world (and compared to our not too distant history) it is a shining beacon of hope, despite everything going on now. much of the world is ruled by brutal thugs. large numbers of people are starving and don't have access to clean drinking water...or any water for that matter. some live in mud huts, among civil war torn lands devoid of any of the amenities or technologies or conveniences we all enjoy here. I'm working part time in a pretty low paying job, and I can still get a steak and a beer pretty much whenever i want...and still pay the rent too. Poverty in America represents luxury in many other places. In that sense, a preoccupation with race is practically a luxury

    it's never been easier to be alive. for anyone. especially if you live here in the U.S. and look, i'm not some red white n blue foam finger waving patriot either. there are some things that need to change, but to blow the whole thing up is nuts. for example, we all have an internal guide to meaning; the psychologists call it the "orientating reflex". it's that place between stasis and transformation. it basically asks you to maintain your structure even as you update it in the face of constant challenges. if you blow up your basic structure it's just chaos(i.e 'defund the police' or 'disband the police'); if you don't change at all you become stale and antiquated. balance. this conversation we are having now, for example, is within a tradition that is sufficiently general so we can all understand it, and is being sufficiently updated all the time. that's how society needs to move forward, imo.

    criticizing it all is perfectly ok. striving for improvement is admirable and perfectly ok. but imo it should all be within the context of enormous gratitude for what we have built here. otherwise it's immensely disrespectful to all the millions of people - black and white and whoever - who have toiled so hard for so long to build it.

    i think we all have a kind of collective amnesia when social justice enters the arena; we all suddenly forget all the wonderful and life changing things those systems have provided us with.

    when we're kids and we don't get what we want we may huff and puff and hyperventilate and scream: I hate you! I wish you were dead!, all over something that seems meaningful in the moment but likely isn't..to a set of parents who have done nothing but nurtured and fed and loved us and kept us alive. but when they don't buy us that lego set, we suddenly forget all that. not a perfect analogy, but you get the point

    if we're going to acknowledge systemic racism, fair enough!..but then we also have to acknowledge systemic historical ignorance, systemic entitlement, systemic lack of gratitude, systemic victim-hood, systemic black on black crime, systemic absentee black fathers, and so on and so forth.

    it would be easy for me to start with the word 'systemic' and add just about any word i want immediately after and proceed to build a case around it to prove some kind of hypothetical oppression. it's because, yes, it's true, there is suffering all over the world. it's not all fair. life isn't fair. but it's no excuse to blow it all up. those systems actually work pretty good; if there is anything wrong with them with regards to racism or whatever, (which there is always going to be,nothing is ever perfect) it's a problem with the individual people running them. in other words, it's a problem with individuals, not systems; it's a problem with individuals, not entire races of people. you can't legislate love and compassion, unfortunately. nor can you change attitudes thru so called "bias training"

    so where does that leave us? well, it all ultimately distills down to individuals. identity politics are never, ever useful. all it ever does is create opposing ideological tribes.

    and if there is such a thing as ancestral trauma, i don't see why it would disproportionally effect black people more than anyone else. history is filled with horrifying acts of injustice and oppression, and if you go back far enough and long enough, everyone has experienced some form of it. and you don't really have to go back too far actually. we have the holocaust from the early 1940's, right? the jews don't seem to be collectively traumatized in any way at the moment. seem to be doing just fine. some even say they're ruling the world
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    The lynch mob now turns on the police. Watch as more chaos and conflict will develop amid the growing witch-hunt hysteria, with police officers everywhere deciding it's just not worth it to continue to try to do their job.

    A new career in private security, probably much better paid and with much more anonymity, will be looking far more attractive to many.
    When did it become OK for police to shoot someone in the back who's running away? In all the discussion on TV about the Atlanta shooting, they show, but do not discuss, the fact that the suspect was fleeing and shot in the back by an angry cop.

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    The lynch mob now turns on the police. Watch as more chaos and conflict will develop amid the growing witch-hunt hysteria, with police officers everywhere deciding it's just not worth it to continue to try to do their job.

    A new career in private security, probably much better paid and with much more anonymity, will be looking far more attractive to many.
    When did it become OK for police to shoot someone in the back who's running away? In all the discussion on TV about the Atlanta shooting, they show, but do not discuss, the fact that the suspect was fleeing and shot in the back by an angry cop.
    1. Brooks was fleeing with a taser, and had turned to discharge it at the cop (Rolfe).
    2. In Georgia law, a taser is a [potentially] deadly weapon. (And especially so in untrained hands.)
    3. How do you know Rolfe was "angry"? That seems like an emotional assumption on your part.
    I'd strongly suggest that the heavy charges pressed on Rolfe were to appease the mob. He's being sacrificed (temporarily) to try to deter further riots. But the charges are likely to be dismissed in court — and then all hell will break loose again.
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    All this rioting and Lamestream lying is because the Rothschilds are pissed that Trump took the Federal Reserve banks away from them. And they want him gone in any way possible. You can see by all the ppl involved (and there are so many of them from different walks of life) are bought and paid for by the Soroses on behalf of the Rothschilds. It's shocking!
    What does it mean to take the Fed away from the Rothschilds?

    Additional funding for some of these groups is from Ford and Rockefeller Foundations and major corporations such as Kellogg's. There is also money to be had just by asking for it online, and so the total contribution base is rather wide.

    As to Mike's point as to "what we have made"--there is something to it but it is not that great compared to any developed country, and a bit backwards to some that may have been less developed, such as Qaddafi's Libya. Plus, the infrastructure is crumbling, especially bridges, dams, and plumbing. General Motors itself killed the trolley system. When I think of what "we built", in terms of any of my ancestors, it was just a few farms, which are no longer in our possession. So, yes, we have achieved a way of life whereby even poverty is much easier than the third world--nevertheless, it could have been done differently, or, perhaps, should now.

    I am trying to think of a word for what everyone is, maybe "Culturalist". I am trying to get at something other than racism. There are both black and white people that I just don't like, which has little to do with physical appearance, but more with behavior. Most of the blacks related to the 1960s civil rights era do not like the modern ones, more in a sense of a cultural difference. I mean, the main thing in the 60s was the guys showing how neat and civilized they were, same as anyone. "I'm going to protest by ordering this pancake."

    Not liking someone is not really a suppression of rights or anything like that.

    Everyone wants to define their own space and what can/can't go on there. I think you should be able to do that, if you don't agree with me, don't like me, just do it over there, and we are fine.

    I think we are well off with pockets of de facto segregation. Different kinds of people do not just "all get along" for much longer than a victory parade. It is not very normal to ram them all together in one room, so to speak, and get saccharine pseudo-perfection.

    At a simple level, you can see this in a work force. You can quickly see lack of cohesion in a group, and, having a boss stand up and say "Let's go team!" does not make them a team. Most of them were coerced by wage dependency. A voluntarily-assembled group will just about work on its own without the rabble rousing.

    Does everyone out there really want every other kind of person to come in and eat their dinner? Not really. We can agree to live in peace, according to certain terms, but I think people are pretty limited in how much "other peoples' BS" they are willing to take before getting edgy about it.

    Conceiving that anger will vanish because someone has the intellectual superiority to define "who is racist" is not even remotely realistic.

    I have not heard a single story on how the first Minnesota riot started. It was really weird for Floyd to have remained in a vehicle instead of trying to flee, there was almost certainly an OD in progress, and no one just happens to have a triple deadly dose of fentanyl out of the blue, you have to build tolerance every day in order to get near that.

    It does appear, for the most part, this is a lot of Democracy Now!, that Jesuits like moral relativism since it makes the church look like a shining beacon, and that this leads to world government, leaving the U. S. as a cripple, or perhaps fragmenting it.

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    hi Shaberon, your word "culturalist" made me think of a phrase i heard a few days ago: familiarity bias. i'm not even sure i like the word "bias" there. i might replace it with the word tendency.

    the man in the video was making the argument that whatever exists today is much closer to a familiarity bias than a racial bias. racial bias suggests fear and hatred and deliberate intent to oppress and mistreat. whereas familiarity bias is a natural result of having grown up around certain types of people and not others, and feeling a more natural comfort level with those around you as a result

    i.e. if you're white you'll be more comfortable around whites, having had a white mother and father and family and friends and so on. pretty basic stuff, but i'd never quite thought of it like that.

    when white people are accused of being inherently racist, i think it's mostly a misguided reference to familiarity bias. black folks possess it too, of course. and hispanic folks. and asian folks. etc there is no built in evil among white folks, in general, there's just more of us. so our familiarity biases are reflected in the country a bit more.

    the country would look no different, in my view, had the population of whites and blacks been in reverse. black familiarity bias would be expressed in the same exact way. not because they'd be sinister and anti-white, but simply because there would be more of them. they'd be more culturally influential. right now we'd likely be talking about black supremacy, and black systemic racism...etc

    there are considerably more whites in the U.S. It's just an existential fact everyone has to deal with. navigating that is more art than science.. or more art than policy might be a more accurate way of saying that. we can't legislate our way out of it; we can't anti-bias training our way out of it. i actually think we vastly underestimate just how well black and white folks get along and co-exist. even a tragedy like the george floyd incident could actually be used to bring us closer together. but there are shadowy forces at work seeing to it that it does the exact opposite.
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    The lynch mob now turns on the police. Watch as more chaos and conflict will develop amid the growing witch-hunt hysteria, with police officers everywhere deciding it's just not worth it to continue to try to do their job.

    A new career in private security, probably much better paid and with much more anonymity, will be looking far more attractive to many.
    When did it become OK for police to shoot someone in the back who's running away? In all the discussion on TV about the Atlanta shooting, they show, but do not discuss, the fact that the suspect was fleeing and shot in the back by an angry cop.
    It’s called killing a cop with his own gun and it happens far more frequently than many realize. Turn off your media, they traffic in lies and profit off our fears.

    If a violent suspect battles two police officers rather than submit to arrest, takes a taser from an officer and fires it at the officer, what might this emboldened suspect now do to the immobilized officer?
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    The lynch mob now turns on the police. Watch as more chaos and conflict will develop amid the growing witch-hunt hysteria, with police officers everywhere deciding it's just not worth it to continue to try to do their job.

    A new career in private security, probably much better paid and with much more anonymity, will be looking far more attractive to many.
    When did it become OK for police to shoot someone in the back who's running away? In all the discussion on TV about the Atlanta shooting, they show, but do not discuss, the fact that the suspect was fleeing and shot in the back by an angry cop.
    1. Brooks was fleeing with a taser, and had turned to discharge it at the cop (Rolfe).
    2. In Georgia law, a taser is a [potentially] deadly weapon. (And especially so in untrained hands.)
    3. How do you know Rolfe was "angry"? That seems like an emotional assumption on your part.
    I'd strongly suggest that the heavy charges pressed on Rolfe were to appease the mob. He's being sacrificed (temporarily) to try to deter further riots. But the charges are likely to be dismissed in court — and then all hell will break loose again.
    1) he was fleeing and was shot in the back
    2) he was not pointing the taser at anyone when shot. They should have chased him down and told him to drop the taser
    3) I would be angry in that situation, and I infer from the fact he shot the guy in the back rather than doing #2 above, that he was angry

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