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    This video was also posted by atman on post #82

    Anyone who has children probably learned early on that calling them bad or stupid only ingrained low self-esteem and additional bad behaviour. Anyone who manages people also learned early on (at least successful managers) that praising your employees will always produce good results and keep the workforce morale exceptionally high. Denigrating people of any age will never produce good outcomes. Seminars like this should (and I am not trying to be funny) be tittled........... How to Create Racism or How To Make Racism Worse

    You have to wonder if the objective is to keep the country divided.


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    According to ‘Black Lives Matter’ organizer Ashleigh Shackelford, white people aren’t welcome at Black Lives Matter rallies and instead should just hand over “reparations” to black people so that they can purchase new cellphones and laptops. In an article for ‘Wear Your Voice’, an “intersectional feminist media” outlet, Shackelford says that she finds the presence of white people at Black Lives Matter rallies “triggering,” and that black people are “frightened” by whites, adding that their roles should be confined to acting as human “buffers against the police”.

    “Why are you going to a protest when you’re the oppressor?” asks Shackelford, adding, “WHITE PEOPLE ARE KILLING US. So when I see white people show up to rally excited and smiling, ready to march like it’s a hobby — I’m disgusted and absolutely ****ing livid….I’m ready to fight.”

    Decrying the fact that white people are promoting a message of love and unity in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Shackelford complains that, “White people are 400 years too ****ing late for a round of applause for a damn tweet with a hashtag, or for showing up to a damn rally.”
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Decrying the fact that white people are promoting a message of love and unity in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Shackelford complains that, “White people are 400 years too ****ing late for a round of applause for a damn tweet with a hashtag, or for showing up to a damn rally.”
    She's treating and judging people differently on the basis of color.

    That's racism.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Decrying the fact that white people are promoting a message of love and unity in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Shackelford complains that, “White people are 400 years too ****ing late for a round of applause for a damn tweet with a hashtag, or for showing up to a damn rally.”
    She's treating and judging people differently on the basis of color.

    That's racism.
    Bill, you silly man. Racism runs only one way. It is like a one way street.

    Only whites can be racists. All other races are inclusive, and filled with only light and love. Only whites are capable of divisiveness, darkness and hate.

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    I know we are not in a time of logic, but if were going to look back, why not look back and include more.

    SECTIONS BELOW FROM THE ARTICLE
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/41431

    Incomplete depictions of the Atlantic slave trade are, in fact, quite common. My 2003 study of 49 state U.S. history standards revealed that not one of these guides to classroom content even mentioned the key role of Africans in supplying the Atlantic slave trade.3 In Africa itself, however, the slave trade is remembered quite differently. Nigerians, for example, explicitly teach about their own role in the trade:

    Where did the supply of slaves come from? First, the Portuguese themselves kidnapped some Africans. But the bulk of the supply came from the Nigerians. These Nigerian middlemen moved to the interior where they captured other Nigerians who belonged to other communities. The middlemen also purchased many of the slaves from the people in the interior . . . . Many Nigerian middlemen began to depend totally on the slave trade and neglected every other business and occupation. The result was that when the trade was abolished [by England in 1807] these Nigerians began to protest. As years went by and the trade collapsed such Nigerians lost their sources of income and became impoverished. 4

    The historical record is incontrovertible—as documented in the PBS Africans in America series companion book:

    The white man did not introduce slavery to Africa . . . . And by the fifteenth century, men with dark skin had become quite comfortable with the concept of man as property . . . . Long before the arrival of Europeans on West Africa’s coast, the two continents shared a common acceptance of slavery as an unavoidable and necessary—perhaps even desirable—fact of existence. The commerce between the two continents, as tragic as it would become, developed upon familiar territory. Slavery was not a twisted European manipulation, although Europe capitalized on a mutual understanding and greedily expanded the slave trade into what would become a horrific enterprise . . . . It was a thunder that had no sound. Tribe stalked tribe, and eventually more than 20 million Africans would be kidnapped in their own homeland. 10

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    Yeah, do a little research on the Barbary Pirates....
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    BLM founders steeped in witchcraft, satanism

    by: Ethan Huff
    Friday, September 18, 2020

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    (Natural News) Millions of Americans have been duped into jumping on the Black Lives Matter (BLM) bandwagon, believing it to represent righteous advocacy on behalf of the so-called disenfranchised and persecuted. The truth, however, is that BLM is nothing more than a religious cult founded upon the tenets of Marxism, witchcraft and Satanism.

    The founders of the BLM movement have admitted to such, as evidenced in newly released audio recordings that divulge the various occult practices, ancestor worship, witchcraft and African paganism that accompany all the protests and activism.

    BLM co-founder Patrice Cullors, a self-admitted “trained Marxist,” actually boasted about her movement’s demonic agenda during a television interview. She admitted that she and her allies regularly consult spiritual entities that “work through” them to accomplish the BLM agenda.
    “I’m calling for spirituality to be deeply radical,” Cullors is quoted as saying. “We’re not just having a social justice movement; this is a spiritual movement.”
    Melina Abdulla, a professor of “African Studies” and fellow BLM ringleader, agrees. Speaking to Cullors, Abdulla admitted that BLM is “very intimate with the spirits that we call on regularly.” Each of these spirits, she says, “seems to have a different presence and personality.”

    Creepily, Abdulla even referred to one of them by name, explaining that she “laugh[s] a lot with Wakisha.”

    “And I didn’t meet her in her body,” Abdulla added about Wakisha, a demonic entity. “I met her through this work.”

    More related news about the spiritual elements deeply embedded into the BLM movement can be found at Evil.news.

    BLM says its hashtags also conjure up demonic spirits

    Following the reported death of George Floyd, BLM staged its “Blackout Tuesday” event, urging followers to plaster the hashtag all across their social media accounts alongside a black square, which we were told was a simple gesture of solidary with “black lives.”

    Well, as it turns out, this hashtag and others “are way more than a hashtag,” according to Cullors.
    “It is … literally almost resurrecting a spirit so they can work through us to get the work that we need to get done,” she says. “I started to feel personally connected and responsible and accountable to them, both from a deeply political place, but also from a deeply spiritual place.”
    In other words, BLM hashtags are part of the Satanic ritual process, conjuring up demons in ceremonial fashion to protect black criminals. And those who participate are likewise engaging in spiritual practice, whether they realize it or not.
    “In my tradition, you offer things that your loved one who passed away would want, you know, whether it’s like honey or tobacco, things like that,” Cullors further admitted, referring to the African paganism aspects of the BLM movement.

    “And that’s so important, not just for us to be in direct relationship to our people who have passed, but also for them to know we’ve remembered them … I believe so many of them work through us.”
    Even the “say his name” trope, which was popularized after Floyd’s death, has strong spiritual connotations. This mantra, according to Cullors, is a means to “invoke that spirit, and then those spirits actually become present with you.”

    In a nutshell, Cullors and Abdulla agree that “spirituality is at the center of Black Lives Matter,” and Christians especially should be aware of this because adherence to the doctrines of BLM represents a form of idolatry and paganism that is prohibited in the Bible.
    “What they are describing is their adherence to the Yoruba religion of Ifa, to where they are summoning dead spirits,” says talk show host and Christian attorney Abraham Hamilton III, a black man, about the Satanic underpinning of BLM.
    Hamilton added during an interview that the spirituality of BLM is linked to the sacrifice of children to demonic gods such as Molech (abortion), as well as to the summoning of spirits (witchcraft).


    Sources for this article include:
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    ... it's finally sinking in that "black" in "Black Lives Matter" doesn't refer to a skin color but to magick and the shadows of the spirit world...


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    And now we begin the persecution of traditional African beliefs because of a few bad apples.
    That's life, and I can't deny it
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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    And now we begin the persecution of traditional African beliefs because of a few bad apples.
    I honestly believe that not supporting BLM or even speaking out against their tactics, their training and their politics is not persecution. That is not to say that that racism and persecution don't exist. When we see racism in any form we should call it out. What this woman in the video is saying is based entirely on skin color and that should be called out.

    The black lives matter movement relies on aggressive and at times illegal tactics. Obama and the Democracy Alliance understood this when they finally decided to fund BLM and move them in front of all the other racial equality groups. Two of their biggest fears were that the country could turn against BLM because of their tactics and BLM could just as easily turn against Democrats as well as Republicans. People are starting to find out that BLM is a hard Marxist Organization and they want to get rid of the nuclear patriarchal family. In return for the money that the Democracy Alliance gave BLM, Obama and the DA expected the group to become a hard political organization and they certainly have done that. One of their stated goals is to get rid of Trump by any means possible. If you read this Politico article about the secret White House meeting in 2015 it will give you much of the back story on how BLM got started, why race was interjected into politics and the fears that Obama and the DA had once they started funding BLM.

    A lot of people do not want to support a political organization, most people (I believe) refuse to support a Marxist organization and this certainly does not make people racist. I think there is more push back going on their persecution, people have died, some even murdered, cities have been burned, businesses have been lost and the damages exceed $1 Billion. The problem is that inside some of the good there is a lot of bad and people should not be afraid to speak out about the harm being caused to people and the country.

    On top of all this, the world and especially the black community has been handed an absolutely perfect template for change by MLK. Change through peace is a lasting meaningful change. Change through violence only creates more violence and bitterness.

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    And now we begin the persecution of traditional African beliefs because of a few bad apples.
    You mean the hunt and massacres of albinos?

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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    And now we begin the persecution of traditional African beliefs because of a few bad apples.
    I honestly believe that not supporting BLM or even speaking out against their tactics, their training and their politics is not persecution. That is not to say that that racism and persecution don't exist. When we see racism in any form we should call it out. What this woman in the video is saying is based entirely on skin color and that should be called out.

    The black lives matter movement relies on aggressive and at times illegal tactics. Obama and the Democracy Alliance understood this when they finally decided to fund BLM and move them in front of all the other racial equality groups. Two of their biggest fears were that the country could turn against BLM because of their tactics and BLM could just as easily turn against Democrats as well as Republicans. People are starting to find out that BLM is a hard Marxist Organization and they want to get rid of the nuclear patriarchal family. In return for the money that the Democracy Alliance gave BLM, Obama and the DA expected the group to become a hard political organization and they certainly have done that. One of their stated goals is to get rid of Trump by any means possible. If you read this Politico article about the secret White House meeting in 2015 it will give you much of the back story on how BLM got started, why race was interjected into politics and the fears that Obama and the DA had once they started funding BLM.

    A lot of people do not want to support a political organization, most people (I believe) refuse to support a Marxist organization and this certainly does not make people racist. I think there is more push back going on their persecution, people have died, some even murdered, cities have been burned, businesses have been lost and the damages exceed $1 Billion. The problem is that inside some of the good there is a lot of bad and people should not be afraid to speak out about the harm being caused to people and the country.

    On top of all this, the world and especially the black community has been handed an absolutely perfect template for change by MLK. Change through peace is a lasting meaningful change. Change through violence only creates more violence and bitterness.
    I agree with everything you've said here. Maybe we have a miscommunication? I was referring to the article above my post.

    I don't pretend to know much about Voodoo/traditional African beliefs but articles like that will lead to persecution because folks are ignorant of the religion and this will be their main exposure/first impression to it. Similar to how Muslims are often persecuted because 1% of the religion is violent and therefore gets the most media attention. What do you think Credo Mutwa would say? I've never spoken to him but he seemed benevolent to me.
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    Quote Posted by rgray222 (here)
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    And now we begin the persecution of traditional African beliefs because of a few bad apples.
    I honestly believe that not supporting BLM or even speaking out against their tactics, their training and their politics is not persecution. That is not to say that that racism and persecution don't exist. When we see racism in any form we should call it out. What this woman in the video is saying is based entirely on skin color and that should be called out.

    The black lives matter movement relies on aggressive and at times illegal tactics. Obama and the Democracy Alliance understood this when they finally decided to fund BLM and move them in front of all the other racial equality groups. Two of their biggest fears were that the country could turn against BLM because of their tactics and BLM could just as easily turn against Democrats as well as Republicans. People are starting to find out that BLM is a hard Marxist Organization and they want to get rid of the nuclear patriarchal family. In return for the money that the Democracy Alliance gave BLM, Obama and the DA expected the group to become a hard political organization and they certainly have done that. One of their stated goals is to get rid of Trump by any means possible. If you read this Politico article about the secret White House meeting in 2015 it will give you much of the back story on how BLM got started, why race was interjected into politics and the fears that Obama and the DA had once they started funding BLM.

    A lot of people do not want to support a political organization, most people (I believe) refuse to support a Marxist organization and this certainly does not make people racist. I think there is more push back going on their persecution, people have died, some even murdered, cities have been burned, businesses have been lost and the damages exceed $1 Billion. The problem is that inside some of the good there is a lot of bad and people should not be afraid to speak out about the harm being caused to people and the country.

    On top of all this, the world and especially the black community has been handed an absolutely perfect template for change by MLK. Change through peace is a lasting meaningful change. Change through violence only creates more violence and bitterness.
    I agree with everything you've said here. Maybe we have a miscommunication? I was referring to the article above my post.

    I don't pretend to know much about Voodoo/traditional African beliefs but articles like that will lead to persecution because folks are ignorant of the religion and this will be their main exposure/first impression to it. Similar to how Muslims are often persecuted because 1% of the religion is violent and therefore gets the most media attention. What do you think Credo Mutwa would say? I've never spoken to him but he seemed benevolent to me.
    Strat, sorry for the misQ.
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    One can easily presume from this quiet and almost-stalinesque "scrubbing" on BLM's website that public opinion might have started to shift lately...

    But considering all the disgraceful and peace-disrupting protests that are still going on in the name of Black Lives Matter, I doubt that this erasure of uncomfortable truths from their website will have any positive impact, from the perspective of BLM, on the general public perception.

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    EXPOSED: BLM quietly scrubs anti-American, Marxist language from its website

    by Libby Emmons - September 20, 2020


    Black Lives Matter has changed its messaging, scrubbing their rhetoric in favour of disrupting the nuclear family from their site.

    With little fanfare, Black Lives Matter removed a section of text that had been under a section called "What We Believe" that sought to engender the destruction, or perhaps reimagining, of the nuclear family structure.

    The section read:
    "We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.

    "We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts. We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work 'double shifts' so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

    "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and 'villages' that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
    Couched in language about liberation, this section intended to foster the idea that a person's immediate, nuclear family, mother, father, sisters, brothers, is less important than the movement.

    (...)

    Full article here

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    RGrey222,
    Quote The black lives matter movement relies on aggressive and at times illegal tactics.
    The matter is one of emphasis. What you are saying is true, but the emphasis on this fact, while not placing much greater emphasis on police brutality and murder of blacks makes your comments appear highly biased. Because Avalonians can't seem to see the problem here, it makes PA look like the "Only White Lives Matter" forum.

    Forum members (nearly all white you can bet) can jump up and down and proclaim that isn't what is meant and blah blah blah, but the fact remains....ignore the larger problem for the smaller problem and this is the impression that is left with those who peruse the forum.

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    Quote Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    And now we begin the persecution of traditional African beliefs because of a few bad apples.
    You mean the hunt and massacres of albinos?
    What are you talking about? Is this happening in the U.S.? You sure as heck better make a strong case for this, or you will be seen as actively trying to whip up racial hatred.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    RGrey222,
    Quote The black lives matter movement relies on aggressive and at times illegal tactics.
    The matter is one of emphasis. What you are saying is true, but the emphasis on this fact, while not placing much greater emphasis on police brutality and murder of blacks makes your comments appear highly biased. Because Avalonians can't seem to see the problem here, it makes PA look like the "Only White Lives Matter" forum.

    Forum members (nearly all white you can bet) can jump up and down and proclaim that isn't what is meant and blah blah blah, but the fact remains....ignore the larger problem for the smaller problem and this is the impression that is left with those who peruse the forum.
    That is a fair point, AutumnW.

    But let's look at the overall picture.

    BLM is enthusiastically accepted and heavily promoted in almost all spheres of society. Many corporations, from small to big, have contributed to and continue to contribute financially to the organization. And pro-BLM memes, slogans and articles abound all over the Internet.

    It is true that most perspectives presented within this thread are critical of BLM, but that is only because BLM has become the manifestation of a "larger problem", that is insufficiently adressed in the world at large. At the same time, nowhere has anyone suggested that police brutality was not a problem or that it did not have to be addressed. And no one has denied that racism might be at play in some cases.

    I have read all the posts in this thread, as well as several other posts in other threads that address the same subject matter, but not a single one of them has made me fear that the Avalon Forum could potentially be perceived as a nest or as a defender of racism or white supremacy. But my own impression or perception, of course, does not necessarily reign supreme.

    Your concern comes obviously from a place of love and justice and righteousness. Please share any information or viewpoint of yours that could help to provide, in your eyes, a better sense of balance to the discussion.

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    Quote Posted by AutumnW (here)
    What you are saying is true, but the emphasis on this fact, while not placing much greater emphasis on police brutality and murder of blacks makes your comments appear highly biased.
    This is precisely the genius of the BLM psyop and the desired response from the handbook for executing color revolutions; any criticism of the movement, by default, renders the observer bias at best, as you have charged, or racist and bigoted at worst. Therefore, there is no viable check on a blatant Marxist social movement undergirding a thinly veiled and commandeered social-justice veneer unless one is willing to be branded biased, racist, or White-privileged. This is little more than a self-censorship technique. Moreover, White privilege and charges of racism are not limited to Caucasian critics.

    I would prefer for those who support the BLM movement to argue the merits of indentity politics, post modernism, Authoritarian Socialism, and Marxism on its face (I'm willing to entertain any argument on its face), instead of hiding behind the thinly-veiled and tired charge of racism and white privilege.

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    Because Avalonians can't seem to see the problem here, it makes PA look like the "Only White Lives Matter" forum.
    I respectfully disagree; PA is certainly not an "Only White Lives Matter" forum. In my humble view, Avalon is an All-Lives-Matter Forum, including Black Lives, Women's Lives, Rohingya Lives, Aborigines Lives, Indian Lives, Asian Lives...etc., etc., etc. (I could go on and on and on), and yes--gasp--even White Lives. Human Lives Matter. I could be wrong in my limited judgments, but that's how I view this community. As controversial as this sounds in the present climate, and while I am not presumptuous to speak for the community, I stand by my judgements and won't back away in interest of virtue signaling to social engineers whose primary objective is to outrage the masses.

    I appreciate the issue you are raising and am not downplaying the problem. But let's not allow social engineers to exploit valid injustices to manipulate social change that benefits none of us, least of all Black Lives.
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    And so the insanity is now spreading into rural areas (article+tweet+video below)...

    It is unfortunate for the well-intentioned individuals within the movement, but Black Lives Matter would fully deserve to be labeled as a Hate Group.

    We normally can't judge a movement by the actions of a few or more rotten apples. But there is no denying anymore that Black Lives Matter is rotten to the core.

    While publically advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people, the ruling forces behind the movement have allowed — and perhaps even encouraged — its members to express their grievances and to revendicate justice... through the use of intimidation and violence.

    The "black lives matter" sentiment itself has become tainted by all the intolerance, the hatred and, yes, the racism that Black Lives Matter now embodies.

    I am personally sick of it.

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    Violent BLM Mob Attack Rural High School, Vandalize Campus And BLOCK Entrance To Students
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    The Black Lives Matter mob have shown time and again that they will target anyone of any age with their violent protest.

    On Monday morning rural Bigfoot High School in rural Wisconsin woke up to a BLM assault on their school.

    The Black Lives Matter mob teepeed the school grounds and blocked the entrance to the high school.



    BLM is now expanding from the cities to the rural areas. This may just be a preview of what’s in store for rural America.

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    I would not allow teachers to get away with their crap in the classroom. When I thought they were wrong I said so, which was often. I wonder if I would have allowed such a malicious group to parade around my school grounds spewing their hate?

    And that makes me think what the heck is the matter with the young these days? I always thought this world needed to change but I never thought it should be burned to the ground - my family has to live here after I am gone! Are the young insane?
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    I see white ribbon in trees, on a weekend, with some banner blocking the entrance to drivers. I don't see violence, or people, or anything else. Looks like a prank to me, with someone spray painting a very messy fuzzy BLM on the banner. But if it got bigots all whipped up, I guess it was worth the time and effort it took for some prankster to rally the suggestible to their anti black cause. It beats burning a cross on someone's lawn. That would make them look bad

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    I am not the enemy.

    I was not born with an original sin. My heritage is not my shame.

    Why do we need a banner or a cross? Can't we all just get along? We are in the same boat and share a common foe. I am not the enemy, nor are my friends or my family. I can live in peace and harmony with any who share the same values, their skin color has nothing, at all, to do with it.

    Let's focus on the enemy together, and stop the hate. Let's put the blame where it squarely belongs.

    I am not the enemy.
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