What's wrong with me? I've shunned all fear porn about the killer virus

[Satori]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Oh no.
This study confirms there is something wrong with me!

https://www.fastcompany.com/90527258...ent-study-says

"“We propose that this [failure to social distance] may be associated with the limitation in one’s mental capacity to simultaneously retain multiple pieces of information in working memory,”

This "study" is a crock of you-know-what.

I suggest the opposite of what is claimed here would be closer to the mark. This is more guilting and shaming on a level intended to literally insult one's intelligence if you do not go along with the program. "See, there's something wrong you on an intellectual level." Who wants to be seen and labeled that way?

If you want to be seen as intelligent, better put on a mask and also make sure you stay at least 6 feet from everyone. To be seen as really intelligent, wear the mask outside, in your car and don't forget the rubber gloves.

They are trying hard to turn neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, family against family, co-worker against co-worker, and so on....

Whether one is friend or foe is now easily determined. Heretofore under normal life-conditions, one always knew there are people out there who disagreed with us and who in might even pose a threat in some way--real or imagined. In conventional war, for instance, the "enemy" could be identified by the uniform they wore, whether they were shooting at you or not. This is not necessary anymore. No guess work required.

Today you can identify the 'enemy" by whether a person is wearing a mask or not. How convenient.

We can all feel much safer now. Except when the people with the masks come around. Or, when the people without the masks come around. Or,...

[TomKat]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
My only hunch about why the children are not getting infected is that compared to senior citizens, very few children would have gotten the yearly flu shot. I wonder what percentage of those who are dying of Covid-19 also were recipients of flu shots the past two years?

They really push the annual flu shot in nursing homes.

[Constance]

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Constance (here)
Back to the question of the children.

Why are our children so little affected by what is happening?

What is it about a childs immune system that is different to an adults?

Why should there be any difference?

What is it that we don't yet know or understand about nature?

I ask these questions purely for contemplation and they are rhetorical in their nature.

Could it be that their immune system is in better order due to less vaccines/flu shots than adults?
Chris

From the Atlantic Monthly:

Babies are born, for example, with a complete repertoire of immune cells called T cells. Every T cell has a unique receptor, and taken together, the pool of millions of T cells can recognize virtually any hypothetical pathogen. As the child begins encountering pathogens, though, their immune system winnows this diverse repertoire. It keeps the T cells involved in fighting off pathogens as a pre-stocked arsenal of “memory T cells,” should those pathogens appear again, but it begins losing the others.

This is why adults are able to mount a rapid immune response to previously encountered pathogens, but also why they might have trouble fighting a new one. Diseases such as rubella and chicken pox are also, for various reasons, more severe in adults than in children.

The pattern with seasonal flu is different, Farber says, but that may be because immunity against previous strains of the flu offer some crossover protection in adults.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...9-kids/611728/

That is how it is understood currently. But what if the reasons given are not the entire reason or even the correct reasons? What if science is still limited in its understandings of why children have been largely immune?

Once again, I am not directing these questions at anyone in particular, these are just rhetorical questions...

And I'll tell you why I have all of these questions around the children...

It wasn't until around 2017 that science actually discovered that we have a lymph system in the brain. It is called the glymphatic system.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...pes-our-brains

And I recall another discovery of a part of the knee that wasn't actually known about until recently simply because we didn't have the sophisticated instruments that we now have in which to discover these things and/or, it was the process by which we have mapped the human body. (the energetic field is a whole other subject that quite possibly ties in here)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-24826323

What else don't we currently know or understand about how the human body works?

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Am I crazy?
Am I suicidal?

Since the very beginning of the pandemic I have shunned all TV and MSM fear porn about the killer virus.

I have three university degrees, so someone can't claim I am uneducated.

Why do I have no fear when I am out and about in the public?
Why do I see no need to wear a face mask?
Why do I ignore markers on the floor for social distancing and directions to follow in store aisles?
Why do I not cower and keep a distance as others approach me when I walk?

What's wrong with me?
Does anyone know?

I can confirm that there is nothing wrong with you, apart from a well developed critical thinking skill set.
This event, the way it has been managed screams 'hoax', the danger was over stated in that classic official manner, it was coordinated with the media.
The resultant outcomes, the phony statistics, the exaggerated numbers, the draconian restrictions, the lockdown, the closure of the western economy are totally UNPRECEDENTED
Never in the history of this society has a pandemic, an epidemic called for the complete shutdown of businesses, the obvious inconsistencies: Barbers/pubs/clubs/have to close, but shopping at a supermarket
and BLM protests are OK?
You are responding like an intelligent, analytical person, you are ignoring the panic and the emotive propaganda.
The death rate of the western world has not altered, there is no upswing in mortality rates, organic Flu seasons have greater casualty rates.
Wearing a mask has been shown to be ineffective in lowering infection rates, viruses can be spread in a variety of ways-including large distances, through eyeballs, touch-masks are bull****.
I had a similar response to you.
Many epidemiologists support the way we have responded: Dr. Sucharit Bhakti is a good example, here is an early video from April from him:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=msOqQCp45-0

This chap is not an isolated voice, the series called 'Uncommon Knowledge' from America:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=k7v2F3usNVA

You are not alone in your response, we are not responding to the fear porn because we recognise it to be a falsehood, and we organically reject it!
Well done, stay strong, we will get through this and we shall win this cultural fight, these are unprecedented times, but we have the means to deal with them.

[Mashika]

If you don't mind, i like to point something very obvious, please allow for explaining

The mask thing seems to be the entire mayor problem somehow, i have seen way more people angry about it than having to stay home for a few months

I can see why people question this one particular virus has been treated so special that it destroys lives all around the planet and why other previos viruses did not, even if those were worse

However the mask thing seems ridiculous to me

People complain about the mask, and they won't use it because it's against their rights or makes them feel "sheep" and that they will follow the rules and become compliant of a lie or directions of a government that will eventually increase those restrictions until they have full control over everyone's lives, total sheep here we go!

Yet if you don't use the mask you still pay your rent, go pay taxes, go get your driver license, have your SSN or whatever is called on your country. You are basically labeled with a number, it's just not printed on your arm but it's still there! So, a mask is causing trouble because you refuse to be a sheep by government request..

But.. you will still go and do all other things they require of you, because those are good social norms and good for you and everyone else and you are a great citizen of a country that has rules that limit you in lots of ways and demand you to comply so you are considered a "good citizen" and not a pariah?

Am I missing something here? I don't get it at all, isn't the exact same thing with the mask? What makes it a rebellious act as opposed to not paying your taxes, not obeying a cop when they tell you to stop or picking a fight with them and beat them up? Or refusing paying your rent or any other thing that goes against social norms?

Why single out the mask thing? There are way too many other things and restrictions placed on you, way more important than a dumb mask, yet that's a sign of rebellion and being free somehow?

I read the thread about building your own small house out there in the country side, and restrictions about gathering rain water and such. And how lack of electricity from a government line got some kids taken away from their parents because they relied on pure sun energy plus collecting rain water, and we are thinking/considering why a mask is a problem of freedom somehow?

I don't get it at all

[ClearWater]

Posted by Sasha Alisa (here)
Why single out the mask thing? There are way too many other things and restrictions placed on you, way more important than a dumb mask, yet that's a sign of rebellion and being free somehow?

You make a good point. It's easy to overlook things that we're accustomed to. Obviously the answer to your question could be different for each person. Part of it to me IS realizing that there are so many things I do that are impinging upon my freedom and don't make much sense, and that a stand needs to be made somewhere, even if it's over something much less important/impactful than some of the other things you mention. It's like the saying "the straw that broke the camels back". When you add in the confusion around why we're supposed to be wearing masks and whether or not they're actually effective, it becomes something that's pretty easy to question, and so it becomes a line in the sand for a lot of people.

[DaveToo]

Hey Sasha, good of you to be thinking about this important topic!

It is very important, and not trivial in any way.

The facemasks can quickly and easily be separated from all of the other examples you gave where we as citizens are compliant to governments around the world going about our daily business.

You mentioned rent, taxes and licenses etc. Of course most people dislike these financial and bureaucratic impositions. But we tolerate them because we can see some overall benefit from them.

Posted by Sasha Alisa (here)
So, a mask is causing trouble because you refuse to be a sheep by government request...

Facemask wearing is a multi-faceted and complex issue, especially in the context of COVID-19.


First there's the health issue.


The rationale for mandating facemasks to be worn in public spaces is that they will help slow the spread of the COVID virus.
But where is the proof that facemasks are effective in this regard?

The best source to go to for official pronouncements about health issues is the World Health Organization (WHO).
They are the most authoritative health organization in the world.

On February 29, 2020 as the pandemic was starting, the WHO issued a public statement about facemasks on their website saying:

"A medical mask is not required if exhibiting no symptoms, as there is no evidence that wearing a mask – of any type – protects non-sick persons. However, in some cultures, masks may be commonly worn."

https://www.who.int/news-room/articl...id-19-outbreak


A month later the pandemic peaked in many countries around the world, yet there was no change in policy from the WHO regarding facemasks.

On Mar 31, 2020 the WHO re-iterated its statement about facemasks:
"There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there's some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies program, said at a media briefing in Geneva, Switzerland.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world...rnd/index.html

And as recently as Jun 5, 2020 the WHO published an update to their previous statements:

"At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID-19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of
universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19."

In their Jun 5, 2020 publication the WHO lists a total of five potential benefits to wearing facemasks and eleven potential harms or disadvantages
to wearing them.

Among the benefits listed:
- making people feel they can play a role in contributing to stopping spread of the virus;
- reminding people to be compliant with other measures (e.g., hand hygiene, not touching nose and mouth).
- Moreover, the production of non-medical masks may offer a source of income for those able to manufacture
masks within their communities. Fabric masks can also be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public acceptance of protection measures in general.

The WHO admitted that wearing facemasks would make people feel they were playing a role in stopping the spread of the virus!
That is incredible.
That is a very important distinction from making people actually play a role in contributing to stopping spread of the virus;
That one word, 'FEEL', destroys their entire propaganda on this matter.


Among the potential harms/disadvantages listed:

- potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands
- potential headache and/or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used;
- potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for long hours;
- difficulty with communicating clearly;
- a false sense of security,
- disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially for children, developmentally challenged persons, those with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot and humid environments.

If those potential harms listed by the WHO weren't enough, there are more:

If you wear a face mask you are:

- restricting your oxygen intake
- increasing the amount of carbon dioxide you're breathing back
- susceptible to an increased amount of bacteria that accumulates from what you’re breathing
- increasing your cortisol levels that suppresses your immune system
- increasing your susceptibility to other pathogens such as: bacteria, spirochetes, microplasma, yeast, fungi, parasites
- stressing your body out
- making your body weaker
- making yourself hypoxic


So the question that needs to be asked is, "Why are most of the governments of the world mandating the use of facemasks now, despite the WHO and other doctors declaring they not only yield no potential health benefit but can actually harm your health?

It doesn't take much imagination to come up with several reasons:

Facemasks
- are meant to condition the populace into a state of compliance
- lead to a state of perpetual fear
- are a form of asphyxiation
- are meant to muzzle the populace, figuratively and literally, to prevent natural discourse.
- are a form of psychological intimidation
- are a form of social barrier, to prevent exchanges of ideas and camaraderie
- cover facial expression, preventing people from detecting emotions of others.
- are dehumanizing
- are degrading
- are demeaning
- condition people into a form of submission
- are a form of psychological humiliation
- create psychological insecurities
- make people self-conscious
- lead to alienation in society
- will lower the populations' immunity and leave them vulnerable to a second wave of the pandemic



Acquiescing to wearing a facemask is a slippery slope.
It is akin to the acquiescence referred to in the prose of the famous German pastor Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

[Mashika]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Hey Sasha, good of you to be thinking about this important topic!

It is very important, and not trivial in any way.

The facemasks can quickly and easily be separated from all of the other examples you gave where we as citizens are compliant to governments around the world going about our daily business.

You mentioned rent, taxes and licenses etc. Of course most people dislike these financial and bureaucratic impositions. But we tolerate them because we can see some overall benefit from them.

Posted by Sasha Alisa (here)
So, a mask is causing trouble because you refuse to be a sheep by government request...

Facemask wearing is a multi-faceted and complex issue, especially in the context of COVID-19.


First there's the health issue.


The rationale for mandating facemasks to be worn in public spaces is that they will help slow the spread of the COVID virus.
But where is the proof that facemasks are effective in this regard?

The best source to go to for official pronouncements about health issues is the World Health Organization (WHO).
They are the most authoritative health organization in the world.

On February 29, 2020 as the pandemic was starting, the WHO issued a public statement about facemasks on their website saying:

"A medical mask is not required if exhibiting no symptoms, as there is no evidence that wearing a mask – of any type – protects non-sick persons. However, in some cultures, masks may be commonly worn."

https://www.who.int/news-room/articl...id-19-outbreak


A month later the pandemic peaked in many countries around the world, yet there was no change in policy from the WHO regarding facemasks.

On Mar 31, 2020 the WHO re-iterated its statement about facemasks:
"There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there's some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies program, said at a media briefing in Geneva, Switzerland.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world...rnd/index.html

And as recently as Jun 5, 2020 the WHO published an update to their previous statements:

"At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID-19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of
universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19."

In their Jun 5, 2020 publication the WHO lists a total of five potential benefits to wearing facemasks and eleven potential harms or disadvantages
to wearing them.

Among the benefits listed:
- making people feel they can play a role in contributing to stopping spread of the virus;
- reminding people to be compliant with other measures (e.g., hand hygiene, not touching nose and mouth).
- Moreover, the production of non-medical masks may offer a source of income for those able to manufacture
masks within their communities. Fabric masks can also be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public acceptance of protection measures in general.

The WHO admitted that wearing facemasks would make people feel they were playing a role in stopping the spread of the virus!
That is incredible.
That is a very important distinction from making people actually play a role in contributing to stopping spread of the virus;
That one word, 'FEEL', destroys their entire propaganda on this matter.


Among the potential harms/disadvantages listed:

- potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands
- potential headache and/or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used;
- potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for long hours;
- difficulty with communicating clearly;
- a false sense of security,
- disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially for children, developmentally challenged persons, those with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot and humid environments.

If those potential harms listed by the WHO weren't enough, there are more:

If you wear a face mask you are:

- restricting your oxygen intake
- increasing the amount of carbon dioxide you're breathing back
- susceptible to an increased amount of bacteria that accumulates from what you’re breathing
- increasing your cortisol levels that suppresses your immune system
- increasing your susceptibility to other pathogens such as: bacteria, spirochetes, microplasma, yeast, fungi, parasites
- stressing your body out
- making your body weaker
- making yourself hypoxic


So the question that needs to be asked is, "Why are most of the governments of the world mandating the use of facemasks now, despite the WHO and other doctors declaring they not only yield no potential health benefit but can actually harm your health?

It doesn't take much imagination to come up with several reasons:

Facemasks
- are meant to condition the populace into a state of compliance
- lead to a state of perpetual fear
- are a form of asphyxiation
- are meant to muzzle the populace, figuratively and literally, to prevent natural discourse.
- are a form of psychological intimidation
- are a form of social barrier, to prevent exchanges of ideas and camaraderie
- cover facial expression, preventing people from detecting emotions of others.
- are dehumanizing
- are degrading
- are demeaning
- condition people into a form of submission
- are a form of psychological humiliation
- create psychological insecurities
- make people self-conscious
- lead to alienation in society
- will lower the populations' immunity and leave them vulnerable to a second wave of the pandemic



Acquiescing to wearing a facemask is a slippery slope.
It is akin to the acquiescence referred to in the prose of the famous German pastor Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

That quote at the end applies to a lot of things, but it has zero effect on my views. Because you don't understand a lot about me. For instance, if that thing were to happen, i would very very very likely be one on the side of "they" LOL

The understanding of how things happen in the world is extremely different from person to person, we have different experiences in life, i have seen things you will never seen, i hope, and you have seen things i will probably never see

But there are aspects in life where you should attempt to change your mind and really try to see things form the other side, such as this..

You read Mr Bill's post about the mask here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1367015

But as ClearWater pointed out here, your point was addressed on the video, you talked about something that indicates you did not watch the video?
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1367021

That kind of invalidates your views, since you have allowed yourself to not have all the facts or information, and relied only on the partial information you had up to that point. Would have been better if you had disproved the points made on the video, but you dismissed in the wrong way and kept going on your own point of view. What about the video? You replied to me right now with partial facts, just as you did on that other thread


You said this

It doesn't take much imagination to come up with several reasons:

But science is not about imagination, it's about facts. Imagination can allow you to write a story about interstellar travel, doesn't mean that stuff exists (yet) it's just possibly based on real science but not real yet, it's just imagination working

You are playing into a situation where you figure out all possible dangers or limitations or conspiracies around a mask (possible)

How does that match facts proved by tests? I mean real tests in labs, if you don't trust the ones made by someone else you could make your own

How have you verified what you believe? Have you tested and got results that prove you right?

Let's say you have a gun, and a needle, and you firmly believe you can shoot a bullet through the needle's head

So you place the needle somewhere and shoot and miss

Then you say one of two things:

1. I missed but that doesn't prove the bullet can't go through the head, i need to get better at shooting and record the video so i can prove it really went through
2. I did not miss, it went through, it's just that you didn't see it because of how fast it was

One is a scientific method the one is not, so why chose the one that allows to keep going without real, factual evidence of something?

[DaveToo]

Posted by Sasha Alisa (here)


But there are aspects in life where you should attempt to change your mind and really try to see things form the other side, such as this..

You read Mr Bill's post about the mask here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1367015

But as ClearWater pointed out here, your point was addressed on the video, you talked about something that indicates you did not watch the video?
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1367021

That kind of invalidates your views, since you have allowed yourself to not have all the facts or information, and relied only on the partial information you had up to that point. Would have been better if you had disproved the points made on the video, but you dismissed in the wrong way and kept going on your own point of view. What about the video? You replied to me right now with partial facts, just as you did on that other thread

I have an open mind to science. I have a science background in fact.
As I told Bill in another thread, for every video he recommends I view, I can recommend another that he view.
That won't help us.

He recommended I watch a video in another thread, which I did. I asked him a question about it, but he never responded to my question.
That's unfortunate. I let it go.

You said this

It doesn't take much imagination to come up with several reasons:

But science is not about imagination, it's about facts. Imagination can allow you to write a story about interstellar travel, doesn't mean that stuff exists (yet) it's just possibly based on real science but not real yet, it's just imagination working

You are playing into a situation where you figure out all possible dangers or limitations or conspiracies around a mask (possible)

How does that match facts proved by tests? I mean real tests in labs, if you don't trust the ones made by someone else you could make your own

How have you verified what you believe? Have you tested and got results that prove you right?

You will need to get more specific Sasha about what you are saying. Imagination BTW plays a vital role in science!

And BTW, with my science background I am very familiar with what goes on in labs, with tests.
I've performed many myself.

[Mashika]

Posted by DaveToo (here)

Posted by Sasha Alisa (here)


But there are aspects in life where you should attempt to change your mind and really try to see things form the other side, such as this..

You read Mr Bill's post about the mask here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1367015

But as ClearWater pointed out here, your point was addressed on the video, you talked about something that indicates you did not watch the video?
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1367021

That kind of invalidates your views, since you have allowed yourself to not have all the facts or information, and relied only on the partial information you had up to that point. Would have been better if you had disproved the points made on the video, but you dismissed in the wrong way and kept going on your own point of view. What about the video? You replied to me right now with partial facts, just as you did on that other thread

I have an open mind to science. I have a science background in fact.
As I told Bill in another thread, for every video he recommends I view, I can recommend another that he view.
That won't help us.

He recommended I watch a video in another thread, which I did. I asked him a question about it, but he never responded to my question.
That's unfortunate. I let it go.

You said this

It doesn't take much imagination to come up with several reasons:

But science is not about imagination, it's about facts. Imagination can allow you to write a story about interstellar travel, doesn't mean that stuff exists (yet) it's just possibly based on real science but not real yet, it's just imagination working

You are playing into a situation where you figure out all possible dangers or limitations or conspiracies around a mask (possible)

How does that match facts proved by tests? I mean real tests in labs, if you don't trust the ones made by someone else you could make your own

How have you verified what you believe? Have you tested and got results that prove you right?

You will need to get more specific Sasha about what you are saying. Imagination BTW plays a vital role in science!

And BTW, with my science background I am very familiar with what goes on in labs, with tests.
I've performed many myself.

Have you read my signature here?

"If life situation unclear, keep pressing your hand grip"

That's something i got from my bootcamp times on the Russian army, way before i even was able to join and way before i got ill and was rejected because i would have died if i had joined, because of the training

It means something very basic, but our instructor, requested us to get one of of this



You know how is that used? Is not to save your life, of course, it's a mistery for most everyone in the world, because they were not part of my team so for everyone else it's a tool to workout, for me it has a completely different purpose

So, i would like to request you to think about why i think that if your life situation is unclear, you must keep pressing the hand grip. It's pure imagination from your side, it could mean anything really, because you can interpret it in any possible way your brain or previous experience tells you so

But please post here what you think that means, all posibilities, and then i will tell you what the reasoning behind it was/is. It will make a lot of sense once i explain it

Once we figure that out, we can continue talking about the mask. It's all about perception and how you use tools and what you have around, by the way

[Tintin]

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
My only hunch about why the children are not getting infected is that compared to senior citizens, very few children would have gotten the yearly flu shot. I wonder what percentage of those who are dying of Covid-19 also were recipients of flu shots the past two years?

That's got some legs, for sure

Okay, I have two hunches but whether they are provable or not I couldn't be certain.

Firstly: the function of the thymus gland and here's an excerpt:

Before birth and throughout childhood, the thymus is instrumental in the production and maturation of T-lymphocytes or T cells, a specific type of white blood cell that protects the body from certain threats, including viruses and infections. The thymus produces and secretes thymosin, a hormone necessary for T cell development and production.

The thymus is special in that, unlike most organs, it is at its largest in children. Once you reach puberty, the thymus starts to slowly shrink and become replaced by fat. By age 75, the thymus is little more than fatty tissue. Fortunately, the thymus produces all of your T cells by the time you reach puberty.

Secondly: (salivary SigA) which first came to my attention a couple of years ago or so from a very interesting discussion that Jeffrey Mishlove had with Jeanne Achterberg. Apparently children, and especially so the very young, are able to stimulate this in the healing process and SigA seems to aid in curing, or providing some sort of immunity to respiratory illness. It's really quite fascinating.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TMyi4QOr6qU

What we of course seem to be closer to understanding now is that Covid-19 isn't a virus that is causing solely pneumonic complications as it seems to be compromising blood cells, but, could the two above hunches help to explain why children seem to be relatively immune to Covid-19?

They may be worth considering.

_____________

Library note: this interview along with a great many others is available here, for anyone interested

[XelNaga]

Posted by DaveToo (here)
Oh no.
This study confirms there is something wrong with me!

https://www.fastcompany.com/90527258...ent-study-says

"“We propose that this [failure to social distance] may be associated with the limitation in one’s mental capacity to simultaneously retain multiple pieces of information in working memory,”

That study indeed confirms something about people like you, me, and many others: we are not sheep

[Gwin Ru]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
Here is another one that's truly chilling: Antibodies dwindle down to none after a few months... [...]

From more recent studies and analyses, it seems there is hope to corner that bug and get its name, rank and matricule No, not from antibodies but from T-cells:

Covid-19 & SARS immunity discovered in recovered patients - also in over 50% of subjects who were never infected

Duke-NUS Medical School
Medical Xpress
Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:00 UTC

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The T cells, along with antibodies, are an integral part of the human immune response against viral infections due to their ability to directly target and kill infected cells. A Singapore study has uncovered the presence of virus-specific T cell immunity in people who recovered from COVID-19 and SARS, as well as some healthy study subjects who had never been infected by either virus.

The study by scientists from Duke-NUS Medical School, in close collaboration with the National University of Singapore's (NUS) Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, (YLLSM), Singapore General Hospital (SGH) and National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) was published in Nature. The findings suggest infection and exposure to coronaviruses induces long-lasting memory T cells, which could help in the management of the current pandemic and in vaccine development against COVID-19.

The team tested subjects who recovered from COVID-19 and found the presence of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in all of them, which suggests that T cells play an important role in this infection. Importantly, the team showed that patients who recovered from SARS 17 years ago after the 2003 outbreak, still possess virus-specific memory T cells and displayed cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

"Our team also tested uninfected healthy individuals and found SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in more than 50 percent of them. This could be due to cross-reactive immunity obtained from exposure to other coronaviruses, such as those causing the common cold, or presently unknown animal coronaviruses. It is important to understand if this could explain why some individuals are able to better control the infection," said Professor Antonio Bertoletti, from Duke-NUS' Emerging Infectious Diseases (EID) programme, who is the corresponding author of this study.

Associate Professor Tan Yee Joo from the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at NUS Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine and Joint Senior Principal Investigator, Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology, A*STAR added,

"We have also initiated follow-up studies on the COVID-19 recovered patients, to determine if their immunity as shown in their T cells persists over an extended period of time. This is very important for vaccine development and to answer the question about reinfection."

"While there have been many studies about SARS-CoV-2, there is still a lot we don't understand about the virus yet. What we do know is that T cells play an important role in the immune response against viral infections and should be assessed for their role in combating SARS-CoV-2, which has affected many people worldwide. Hopefully, our discovery will bring us a step closer to creating an effective vaccine," said Associate Professor Jenny Low, Senior Consultant, Department of Infectious Diseases, SGH, and Duke-NUS' EID programme.

"NCID was heartened by the tremendous support we received from many previous SARS patients for this study. Their contributions, 17 years after they were originally infected, helped us understand mechanisms for lasting immunity to SARS-like viruses, and their implications for developing better vaccines against COVID-19 and related viruses," said Dr Mark Chen I-Cheng, Head of the NCID Research Office.

The team will be conducting a larger study of exposed, uninfected subjects to examine whether T cells can protect against COVID-19 infection or alter the course of infection. They will also be exploring the potential therapeutic use of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells.

More information: Nina Le Bert et al. SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls, Nature (2020). DOI: 10.1038/s41586-020-2550-z Journal information: Nature

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• Everything You Think You Know About Coronavirus...

• Compelling Evidence That SARS-CoV-2 Was Man-Made

And, from Stockholm:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CwQpg62Kflg

•Jul 10, 2020

UnHerd

Freddie Sayers talks to Swedish doctor Soo Aleman about Covid-19.

We hear a lot about Sweden’s experience of Covid-19, with the New York Times declaring this week that that country is now “the world’s cautionary tale.”

But what’s it really like on the ground?

Dr Soo Aleman has been both on the front lines of the Covid-19 epidemic as a senior physician at Stockholm’s leading Karolinska hospital, and on the research side, as Assistant Professor at the Karolinska Institute and one of a group that last week published new data around T-cell immunity.

We talked to her about the findings of that study, and how it matches what she is seeing in her hospital.

Link to the Karolinska Institute T Cell study: https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-...

Key quotes:

“Intensive care units are getting empty, the wards are getting empty, we are really seeing a decrease — and that despite that people are really loosening up. The beaches are crowded, social distancing is not kept very well ... but still the numbers are really decreasing. That means that something else is happening – we are actually getting closer to herd immunity. I can’t really see another reason.”

“I can’t say if the Swedish approach was right or wrong – I think we can say that in one or two years when we are looking back. You have to look at the mortality over the whole period.”

“I don’t think that we have more new cases, I think we are just detecting more cases”

“We found that if you have a mild case you can be negative for antibodies afterwards … in those almost all of them had strong T-cell activity. This study says that there are cases that you can have a strong T-cell response even though you have not had antibodies, meaning that you have encountered the virus and built up immunity.”

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)

Posted by Gwin Ru (here)
Here is another one that's truly chilling: Antibodies dwindle down to none after a few months... [...]

From more recent studies and analyses, it seems there is hope to corner that bug and get its name, rank and matricule No, not from antibodies but from T-cells:

Yep, this is new research, and might be very important.

Super-simple summary: T-cells are part of a different immune mechanism, and the cells have long, long memories...even over decades. They'll attack and take out anything that's similar (not identical) to a pathogen they've seen before.

So someone's reaction to SARS-CoV-2 may at least partially depend on their medical history. (But do note: this doesn't appear to explain how come children seem to be quite unaffected.)

Here's Chris Martenson's presentation about this, from last night. It's not easy to follow (because it's very technical), but few could explain it all better than he does. I wasn't even going to post this, but was greatly encouraged by Gwin Ru's post above.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FG2q_QcAZG8

[AutumnW]

Posted by Constance (here)

Posted by AutumnW (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Constance (here)
Back to the question of the children.

Why are our children so little affected by what is happening?

What is it about a childs immune system that is different to an adults?

Why should there be any difference?

What is it that we don't yet know or understand about nature?

I ask these questions purely for contemplation and they are rhetorical in their nature.

Could it be that their immune system is in better order due to less vaccines/flu shots than adults?
Chris

From the Atlantic Monthly:

Babies are born, for example, with a complete repertoire of immune cells called T cells. Every T cell has a unique receptor, and taken together, the pool of millions of T cells can recognize virtually any hypothetical pathogen. As the child begins encountering pathogens, though, their immune system winnows this diverse repertoire. It keeps the T cells involved in fighting off pathogens as a pre-stocked arsenal of “memory T cells,” should those pathogens appear again, but it begins losing the others.

This is why adults are able to mount a rapid immune response to previously encountered pathogens, but also why they might have trouble fighting a new one. Diseases such as rubella and chicken pox are also, for various reasons, more severe in adults than in children.

The pattern with seasonal flu is different, Farber says, but that may be because immunity against previous strains of the flu offer some crossover protection in adults.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...9-kids/611728/

That is how it is understood currently. But what if the reasons given are not the entire reason or even the correct reasons? What if science is still limited in its understandings of why children have been largely immune?

Once again, I am not directing these questions at anyone in particular, these are just rhetorical questions...

And I'll tell you why I have all of these questions around the children...

It wasn't until around 2017 that science actually discovered that we have a lymph system in the brain. It is called the glymphatic system.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...pes-our-brains

And I recall another discovery of a part of the knee that wasn't actually known about until recently simply because we didn't have the sophisticated instruments that we now have in which to discover these things and/or, it was the process by which we have mapped the human body. (the energetic field is a whole other subject that quite possibly ties in here)

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-24826323

What else don't we currently know or understand about how the human body works?

Science is the best tool we have for categorizing, measuring and quantifying. It is also subject to change, whereas opinions are stubborn, particularly if they are rooted in wish fulfillment, fantasy. Even more so if they are the result of paranoid thinking.

Science is weakest when it comes to anything that can't be duplicated in a lab, like UFO phenomenon, etc...

It seems to me though that TCell research conclusions, at this juncture, (though possibly not complete) are reliable. More may be discovered in the future, but the chance that those discoveries will completely contradict, what is currently understood, is fairly low.

[TomKat]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I follow Chris Martenson closely. His video channel is here. I've watched every one of his 150 videos since the third week of January. When it comes to the science, and the statistics, and all the various reports from reliable medical sources, I'd take his research over that of everyone else combined.

Martenson is highly critical of the media, the WHO, the Fed, and the HCQ studies that have been designed to fail. He's also personally certain the virus has been engineered (and he explains why, in great detail). He's one of the brightest people on YouTube.

I checked out Martenson's youtube channel, and he's relying on the mainstream media for his information.

No, he's not. He cites scientific papers frequently. His videos are a digest of the most significant reports, including many that are easy for most to miss. And he's highly skeptical of the mainstream media's role in distorting or falsifying information.

Has Chris Martenson admitted there is no pandemic? If not, then how critical a thinker is he?

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
My only hunch about why the children are not getting infected is that compared to senior citizens, very few children would have gotten the yearly flu shot. I wonder what percentage of those who are dying of Covid-19 also were recipients of flu shots the past two years?

They really push the annual flu shot in nursing homes.

Another example of the duality in play: We are the benevolent custodians of the infirm, aged and vulnerable, therefore whatever we do is for their own benefit-we don't want our elderly/sick people to be made even more infirm! This is the chilling rationalisation which underpins the official narratives, the Flu shot is known to be ineffective, and extremely limited; how can you make a vaccine for a virus which changes so rapidly, that mutates in such a short span of time! This is without even mentioning the pollutants and toxins which are found in vaccines these days. 'Mass euthanasia' is not an appealing label, but this is what it is.

[DaveToo]

Posted by Sasha Alisa (here)


Have you read my signature here?

"If life situation unclear, keep pressing your hand grip"


... So, i would like to request you to think about why i think that if your life situation is unclear, you must keep pressing the hand grip. It's pure imagination from your side, it could mean anything really, because you can interpret it in any possible way your brain or previous experience tells you so

But please post here what you think that means, all posibilities, and then i will tell you what the reasoning behind it was/is. It will make a lot of sense once i explain it

Once we figure that out, we can continue talking about the mask. It's all about perception and how you use tools and what you have around, by the way

I look forward to hearing about the reasons you press the hand grip Sasha.

I actually have one at home but mine is cheaper than yours, it's made out of plastic with a metal spring.

I like to use it occasionally, but not when my life is unclear.
I use it for therapeutical reasons.

I had tennis elbow years ago and from time to time my elbow acts up and becomes injured again.
So I feel I can gradually get it back into shape by doing some hand grip squeezes.
But I must do it slowly with few repetitions to start. As my elbow begins to heal I can increase the
repetitions.

I never thought about using the hand grip for psychological reasons.
I have no idea at all why the hand grip can be used for other reasons.

So I'm intrigued to learn about what you have in mind when you use yours.

[Constance]

Posted by AutumnW (here)
Science is the best tool we have for categorizing, measuring and quantifying. It is also subject to change, whereas opinions are stubborn, particularly if they are rooted in wish fulfillment, fantasy. Even more so if they are the result of paranoid thinking.

Science is weakest when it comes to anything that can't be duplicated in a lab, like UFO phenomenon, etc...

It seems to me though that TCell research conclusions, at this juncture, (though possibly not complete) are reliable. More may be discovered in the future, but the chance that those discoveries will completely contradict, what is currently understood, is fairly low.

From my perspective, there is the opportunity to consider the whole being - the whole spectrum. If we would like to be truly effective at understanding what is really going on, we might want to consider all twelve aspects that influence our overall state of being. Here they are.


Spiritual
Physical
Chemical
Biological
Mental/emotional
Dietary/nutritional
Biochemical
Neurological
Bioenergetic
Sociological
Environmental
Material

In this video, you can see the Dodecangle representing the holographic and fractal aspects of our being. Each aspect affects every other aspect of our being. It shows every single influence in a persons life.

The number of arrows pointing at each aspect is 132. Scientists are at best currently addressing three of the aspects of the dodecangle in relation to our being. That equates to 30 out of 132 arrows. If we consider that as a percentage of the whole, scientists are only 4.54% effective at understanding the whole picture.

In addition to this, we need to consider that confirmation biases could potentially have a role to play in how scientists around the world are making their findings. No one is immune to confirmation bias.

I've shared something regarding why and how this might be possible in the How you make decisions thread.

There is a Confirmation Bias Experiment beginning at 30:30 minutes and concluding at 39:45. that might be of interest to people.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by TomKat (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I follow Chris Martenson closely. His video channel is here. I've watched every one of his 150 videos since the third week of January. When it comes to the science, and the statistics, and all the various reports from reliable medical sources, I'd take his research over that of everyone else combined.

Martenson is highly critical of the media, the WHO, the Fed, and the HCQ studies that have been designed to fail. He's also personally certain the virus has been engineered (and he explains why, in great detail). He's one of the brightest people on YouTube.

I checked out Martenson's youtube channel, and he's relying on the mainstream media for his information.

No, he's not. He cites scientific papers frequently. His videos are a digest of the most significant reports, including many that are easy for most to miss. And he's highly skeptical of the mainstream media's role in distorting or falsifying information.

Has Chris Martenson admitted there is no pandemic? If not, then how critical a thinker is he?

Jeez, Tom. Watch his videos before you criticize.