The 45 Goals of Communism

[Moz]

I somehow feel that we are all agreeing in some way or another. Just to get it out I also believe that aware humans are the solution to these parasitic times.

My initial point was that the title used here was more propagan-distic than something to create awareness.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Moz (here)
My initial point was that the title used here was more propagandistic than something to create awareness.

The list (and therefore the thread title, merely a concise, accurate description) was taken directly from p.259 (p.283 of the PDF) of W. Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist. Here it is:

http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/W.%2...0Communist.pdf

And here's the extracted 4-page section. I simply copied the goals. No hyperbole here.

• http://projectavalon.net/The_45_Goal...n_Skousen).pdf

[edina]

I want to add that this list was read into Congress in 1963.
Here's a link to that Congressional Record, it shows up on pages 34 and 35.

In trying to find the Congressional Record I discovered that W Cleon Skousen wrote a second volume to the Naked Communist. (Along with the Naked Capitalist, this is considered a trilogy on the topic.)

Now updated for 2017, this edition includes a chapter on the forty-five Communist Goals, detailing how forty-four of those goals have been achieved in the U.S. already, as well as a chapter on the making of The Naked Communist, shedding light on how this book has sold almost two million copies.

As relevant now as it was sixty years ago, Skousen’s groundbreaking work provides a renewed understanding of one of the greatest threats facing America today.

I spent some time this morning trying to find a free pdf version of the second volume and couldn't fine one.
If anyone else finds it, I would be interested in being able to download it.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by edina (here)
I want to add that this list was read into Congress in 1963.
Here's a link to that Congressional Record, it shows up on pages 34 and 35.

In trying to find the Congressional Record I discovered that W Cleon Skousen wrote a second volume to the Naked Communist.

Now updated for 2017, this edition includes a chapter on the forty-five Communist Goals, detailing how forty-four of those goals have been achieved in the U.S. already, as well as a chapter on the making of The Naked Communist, shedding light on how this book has sold almost two million copies.

As relevant now as it was sixty years ago, Skousen’s groundbreaking work provides a renewed understanding of one of the greatest threats facing America today.

I spent some time this morning trying to find a free pdf version of the second volume and couldn't fine one.
If anyone else finds it, I would be interested in being able to download it.

Here ya go:

• W. Cleon Skousen - The Naked Capitalist
  http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/W.%2...Capitalist.pdf

[edina]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by edina (here)
I want to add that this list was read into Congress in 1963.
Here's a link to that Congressional Record, it shows up on pages 34 and 35.

In trying to find the Congressional Record I discovered that W Cleon Skousen wrote a second volume to the Naked Communist.

Now updated for 2017, this edition includes a chapter on the forty-five Communist Goals, detailing how forty-four of those goals have been achieved in the U.S. already, as well as a chapter on the making of The Naked Communist, shedding light on how this book has sold almost two million copies.

As relevant now as it was sixty years ago, Skousen’s groundbreaking work provides a renewed understanding of one of the greatest threats facing America today.

I spent some time this morning trying to find a free pdf version of the second volume and couldn't fine one.
If anyone else finds it, I would be interested in being able to download it.

Here ya go:

• W. Cleon Skousen - The Naked Capitalist
  http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/W.%2...Capitalist.pdf

Super, thank you, it's good to know that's now in the Avalon library, too.
I'm looking for Volume 2 of the Naked Communist.

I'd like to see how Skousen detailed that they were already accomplished.
When I made notes on the list, I could tell I had some gaps in my knowledge.
The second volume would probably make it easier to start filling in some of those gaps.
It could maybe save me some time, and/or point me in some productive directions.

(PS: I haven't read the first volume, so if it those details show up in the Volume 1 then that's cool, that will work for me.)

[Moz]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moz (here)
My initial point was that the title used here was more propagandistic than something to create awareness.

The list (and therefore the thread title, merely a concise, accurate description) was taken directly from p.259 (p.283 of the PDF) of W. Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist. Here it is:

http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/W.%2...0Communist.pdf

And here's the extracted 4-page section. I simply copied the goals. No hyperbole here.

• http://projectavalon.net/The_45_Goal...n_Skousen).pdf

Bill, the issue of being factual was never the point of my opinion. You can be as factual as possible citing a FBI agent from the postwar 1950, or from the CIA or anyother US agency. One might even agree with such an opinion or not in todays world.
Somehow it still feels strange today.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Moz (here)
Somehow it still feels strange today.

Yes, of course. Just substitute "Extremist Socialism" for "Communism", and it all starts to fit a lot better. Some of this is playing out right now.

[Moz]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moz (here)
Somehow it still feels strange today.

Yes, of course. Just substitute "Extremist Socialism" for "Communism", and it all starts to fit a lot better. Some of this is playing out right now.

Absolutely. Buy my concern was that some people online are in fact propagating the current events with some communist agenda, and I do believe that this is a mistake, a scam to mislead the public in general, and it is working to some degree, specially in the US.
Anyway thats my point regarding the title.

[Constance]

Posted by Moz (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moz (here)
Somehow it still feels strange today.

Yes, of course. Just substitute "Extremist Socialism" for "Communism", and it all starts to fit a lot better. Some of this is playing out right now.

Absolutely. Buy my concern was that some people online are in fact propagating the current events with some communist agenda, and I do believe that this is a mistake, a scam to mislead the public in general, and it is working to some degree, specially in the US.
Anyway thats my point regarding the title.

The title is a warning about what is coming if we don't take action now. It's a harsh reality here for our people in Victoria, Australia.

The premier of Victoria visited China 30 times in the last few years. He has signed an agreement with the Chinese called the Belt and Road Initiative with the CCP (China Communist Party). However, he won't reveal to the rest of Australia what this agreement constitutes and how very convenient given that the Parliament of Australia is out for an indefinite period. The premier has cart blanche to do whatever he wants now because it has all been presented under the guise of a lockdown for our health and safety.

Victoria is currently spending a crazy amount of money on infrastructure but essentially, Victoria is bankrupt. The people of Australia are now asking where that money is coming from, given that Australia as a whole is in debt to the tune of almost 500 billion.

I've shared what is currently happening in our state on the Here and now, What's happening thread. We are under curfew from 8pm to 5am; we cannot visit each other in homes, our homes can be taken from us for use by the state under the guise of a state of Emergency enacted with only 4 hours notice to 5 million Victorians; we can be held prisoners in our own homes indefinitely if we test positive for COVID, we need to have permit papers to travel to work; if we are not going to work, we can only travel in a 5km radius for whatever we need and only one person per family is allowed to do this; if we get caught outside of that 5km radius we can be arrested and held and detained indefinitely; we have roadblocks everywhere and the international and domestic airport are closed to travel because we are not allowed to leave the state or the country; the list goes on and on.

[Moz]

Posted by Constance (here)

Posted by Moz (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moz (here)
Somehow it still feels strange today.

Yes, of course. Just substitute "Extremist Socialism" for "Communism", and it all starts to fit a lot better. Some of this is playing out right now.

Absolutely. Buy my concern was that some people online are in fact propagating the current events with some communist agenda, and I do believe that this is a mistake, a scam to mislead the public in general, and it is working to some degree, specially in the US.
Anyway thats my point regarding the title.

The title is a warning about what is coming if we don't take action now. It's a harsh reality here for our people in Victoria, Australia.

The premier of Victoria visited China 30 times in the last few years. He has signed an agreement with the Chinese called the Belt and Road Initiative with the CCP (China Communist Party). However, he won't reveal to the rest of Australia what this agreement constitutes and how very convenient given that the Parliament of Australia is out for an indefinite period. The premier has cart blanche to do whatever he wants now because it has all been presented under the guise of a lockdown for our health and safety.

Victoria is currently spending a crazy amount of money on infrastructure but essentially, Victoria is bankrupt. The people of Australia are now asking where that money is coming from, given that Australia as a whole is in debt to the tune of almost 500 billion.

I've shared what is currently happening in our state on the Here and now, What's happening thread. We are under curfew from 8pm to 5am; we cannot visit each other in homes, our homes can be taken from us for use by the state under the guise of a state of Emergency enacted with only 4 hours notice to 5 million Victorians; we can be held prisoners in our own homes indefinitely if we test positive for COVID, we need to have permit papers to travel to work; if we are not going to work, we can only travel in a 5km radius for whatever we need and only one person per family is allowed to do this; if we get caught outside of that 5km radius we can be arrested and held and detained indefinitely; we have roadblocks everywhere and the international and domestic airport are closed to travel because we are not allowed to leave the state or the country; the list goes on and on.

Dear Constance,
I am sorry to hear whats going on in your country... Something similar is going on in mine.
My question is how did this happen, did the Chinese start making products for the rest of the world by themselves, how did they manage to export them to Chile or Australia or the US... Didn't we know... Who Made this shift possible for the last 30 years?
I don't believe it was communist-China. It was some other factual power. Narrowing it down to communism is probably not very accurate.
Thus a title like for example "Another move by TPTB- Communism" is in my view a better explanation.

[Constance]

Posted by Moz (here)

Posted by Constance (here)

Posted by Moz (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Moz (here)
Somehow it still feels strange today.

Yes, of course. Just substitute "Extremist Socialism" for "Communism", and it all starts to fit a lot better. Some of this is playing out right now.

Absolutely. Buy my concern was that some people online are in fact propagating the current events with some communist agenda, and I do believe that this is a mistake, a scam to mislead the public in general, and it is working to some degree, specially in the US.
Anyway thats my point regarding the title.

The title is a warning about what is coming if we don't take action now. It's a harsh reality here for our people in Victoria, Australia.

The premier of Victoria visited China 30 times in the last few years. He has signed an agreement with the Chinese called the Belt and Road Initiative with the CCP (China Communist Party). However, he won't reveal to the rest of Australia what this agreement constitutes and how very convenient given that the Parliament of Australia is out for an indefinite period. The premier has cart blanche to do whatever he wants now because it has all been presented under the guise of a lockdown for our health and safety.

Victoria is currently spending a crazy amount of money on infrastructure but essentially, Victoria is bankrupt. The people of Australia are now asking where that money is coming from, given that Australia as a whole is in debt to the tune of almost 500 billion.

I've shared what is currently happening in our state on the Here and now, What's happening thread. We are under curfew from 8pm to 5am; we cannot visit each other in homes, our homes can be taken from us for use by the state under the guise of a state of Emergency enacted with only 4 hours notice to 5 million Victorians; we can be held prisoners in our own homes indefinitely if we test positive for COVID, we need to have permit papers to travel to work; if we are not going to work, we can only travel in a 5km radius for whatever we need and only one person per family is allowed to do this; if we get caught outside of that 5km radius we can be arrested and held and detained indefinitely; we have roadblocks everywhere and the international and domestic airport are closed to travel because we are not allowed to leave the state or the country; the list goes on and on.

Dear Constance,
I am sorry to hear whats going on in your country... Something similar is going on in mine.
My question is how did this happen, did the Chinese start making products for the rest of the world by themselves, how did they manage to export them to Chile or Australia or the US... Didn't we know... Who Made this shift possible for the last 30 years?
I don't believe it was communist-China. It was some other factual power. Narrowing it down to communism is probably not very accurate.
Thus a title like for example "Another move by TPTB- Communism" is in my view a better explanation.

It's not just a matter of narrowing it down to communism. Of course it is not just communism. However, that is not the point of the title. I'm not going to speak for anyone else here but my interpretation is that the title is designed to draw attention to how it is all a slippery slope when we give our power over to anyone, whoever it may be. I'm all for sovereignty. It is the only thing I stand for. My only contract is with god.


Edited to add: And whilst people are getting hung up over titles, TPTB continue like a freight train to bear down on us and the sun is setting on our freedoms.

[NX.P]

I wonder to what extent "Tailgunner Joe" maybe wasn't forced to give up his contacts and then became demonized by the same information he was made to provide.

[Moz]

Totally agree with you Constance
A warm hug from here to you and tanks for the update about AUS.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's G. Edward Griffin on exactly this. (a 3 minute extract from a recent Infowars interview)

• http://projectavalon.net/G_Edward_Gr..._in_the_US.mp3 (1.7 Mb)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here's G. Edward Griffin on exactly this. (a 3 minute extract from a recent Infowars interview)

• http://projectavalon.net/G_Edward_Gr..._in_the_US.mp3 (1.7 Mb)

Better than that — here's G. Edward Griffin, on record in 1969 laying out exactly what's happening now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=clyuNQbmuXk

[Satori]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here's G. Edward Griffin on exactly this. (a 3 minute extract from a recent Infowars interview)

• http://projectavalon.net/G_Edward_Gr..._in_the_US.mp3 (1.7 Mb)

Better than that — here's G. Edward Griffin, on record in 1969 laying out exactly what's happening now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=clyuNQbmuXk

For my money there is no better public speaker and communicator than G. Edward Griffin. (He's still alive and well but not making many, if any, public appearances anymore.) And what makes him even better is that he is not given to hyperbole and spinning stories. He knows that the truth of the matter is crazy or startling enough. He has no need or desire to embellish on "The Reality Zone" for any reason.

The above video is one of his many great presentations.

[happyuk]

I have owned Skousen's 'The Naked Capitalist' and 'The Naked Communist' for some years now. It's fair to say that (along with two or three other important books I've read in my lifetime), these books changed my life.

Here's a video of Skousen talking about how the Founding Fathers where literally light years ahead of their time in truly understanding and foreseeing human nature when formulating the American system of government:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wuIABehux-w

What I found particularly thought-provoking in the books was Skousen's defence of Senator Joe McCarthy, who when you actually sit down and study who he was is not the demon he so often portrayed as, but rather a tough, honest and sincere ex-marine, who saw more clearly and expounded more eloquently than anyone else that America was being set upon by a socialist conspiracy.

[edina]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here's G. Edward Griffin on exactly this. (a 3 minute extract from a recent Infowars interview)

• http://projectavalon.net/G_Edward_Gr..._in_the_US.mp3 (1.7 Mb)

Better than that — here's G. Edward Griffin, on record in 1969 laying out exactly what's happening now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=clyuNQbmuXk

At the beginning of this clip, he mentions Manning Johnson.

For anyone interested you can see Manning's own words about his experience at this website.

It is similar for Thomas Sowell. Thomas Sowell was a Marxist, a leader, and from his personal experiences he reevaluated Marxism and changed his mind.

[edina]

Posted by happyuk (here)
I have owned Skousen's 'The Naked Capitalist' and 'The Naked Communist' for some years now. It's fair to say that (along with two or three other important books I've read in my lifetime), these books changed my life.

Here's a video of Skousen talking about how the Founding Fathers where literally light years ahead of their time in truly understanding and foreseeing human nature when formulating the American system of government:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wuIABehux-w

What I found particularly thought-provoking in the books was Skousen's defence of Senator Joe McCarthy, who when you actually sit down and study who he was is not the demon he so often portrayed as, but rather a tough, honest and sincere ex-marine, who saw more clearly and expounded more eloquently than anyone else that America was being set upon by a socialist conspiracy.

Posted by edina (here)
I have a couple of books by W Cleon Skousen about the US Constitution. I've been thinking about rereading them lately and of putting some time aside to deepen my understanding of the US Constitution and the system of "separation of powers".

I remember being surprised about how long the people who founded this system thought about, talked about, and developed the ideas implemented, it was about 25 years before it was set down in ink, well before the Declaration of Independence. They had all come out of the period of the bloody wars between monarchs. They took a long historical view of government systems and noted the pattern of a sort of pendulum swing between anarchy and tyranny and sought to find a way to bring that pendulum to a balanced point. They also incorporated ideas from the Iroquois Federation's form of government into the mix.

The two books I mentioned above are The Making of America, and The 5000 Year Leap. I have these books in hard copy form in my library.

Of the two, I felt I learned more from The Making of America. The 5000 Year Leap seemed to be a condensed version of the first.

I remember feeling inspired and enlightened about the the US Constitution after I read these books.

And in considering how humanity may evolve into a global civilization, I've been thinking of the "principles" mentioned in the video.

I couldn't find a pdf of The Making of America. But could and did find a pdf of The 5000 Year Leap.

[Satori]

I recommend also re-reading (or reading) The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation, the US Constitution and the Federalist Papers. The latter will help one understand the Constitution and the Articles, including the differences between the two. And the Declaration of Independence will help one understand the reason for the Articles, which then morphed into the Constitution.