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    According to breaking news from The Times of Israel, both Israel and Sudan have just announced they are in talks to normalize relations. (Tuesday, August 18, 2020, 7:26 pm local time)

    "'No reason for enmity to continue,' says Khartoum official, predicting pact could be clinched by end of year; Netanyahu says Israel will do everything to make agreement happen."

    (Another feather in Trump's cap)

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    Quote Posted by Arcturian108 (here)
    According to breaking news from The Times of Israel, both Israel and Sudan have just announced they are in talks to normalize relations. (Tuesday, August 18, 2020, 7:26 pm local time)

    "'No reason for enmity to continue,' says Khartoum official, predicting pact could be clinched by end of year; Netanyahu says Israel will do everything to make agreement happen."

    (Another feather in Trump's cap)
    Sure not for peace other places. We give billions in arms to Israel and they sell arms to further genocide in Myanmar. Did you know that the ZI in NAZI stood for Zionist. When National Socialist Party merged with Zionist Party it became the Nazi Party. Looks to me like they continue to play from same playbook. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...nocide-report/

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    One good step in one direction, covers bad tracks in another, and this is the game we seem to play on 3d planet earth.
    All as it is , is all is as it should be.

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    Sure not for peace other places. We give billions in arms to Israel and they sell arms to further genocide in Myanmar. Did you know that the ZI in NAZI stood for Zionist. When National Socialist Party merged with Zionist Party it became the Nazi Party. Looks to me like they continue to play from same playbook. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20...nocide-report/

    https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=Nazi
    "1930, noun and adjective, from German Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920.

    The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c. 1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi, Naczi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in World War I Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary.

    An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists."

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    Charity begins at home...

    I for one will join in with anyone, I don't care what color you are as long as you want to change this miserable condition that exists on this Earth - Malcolm X / Tsar Of The Star

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    As we know Zionists and Israelis are very different.
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    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Israel: creating peace in the region one bullet, bomb and black op' at a time.
    the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated --- Gandhi

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    Hitler Father of current day Israel? Conclusion - In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany.https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

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    Apologies to Arcturian for going off topic here, but I would like to address post 9.

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    Hitler Father of current day Israel? Conclusion - In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany.https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
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    In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided
    No, they didn't. Hitler despised Zionism. He was ideologically opposed to it and ridiculed the idea as he was convinced that the Jews would be incapable of establishing and then defending a state. He and his government viewed the prospect of a Jewish state in Palestine as part of the broader international Jewish conspiracy which his fevered imagination presented as a dire threat to Germany. Nazi propagandists claimed that a Jewish state in Palestine would be a “Vatican for the Jews,” - a power centre of an international Jewish power and thus a threat to Germany. 

    Nazi propaganda constantly denounced Zionism: this flood of anti-Zionist hatred is detailed in Jeffrey Herf's book, “Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World”. 

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    In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem...
    What complex problem are you referring to? The “Jewish question”??

    Humane solution? Forced relocation was humane? Confiscation of personal property and possessions was humane? Removal of basic human rights and freedoms was humane? Systematic exclusion from German political, economic, legal, social and cultural life was humane? 


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    Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany.
    If you're referring to the Ha’avara Agreement, to suggest that the Nazis were ever Zionists is disingenuous.

    The Haavara Agreement is the first example of a Nazi programme of organised Jewish relocation, and Palestine was only one of the places where the Nazis planned to forceably send the Jews. All the Nazis wanted to do was get rid of them – they didn't care where they went, hence The Madagascar Plan and The  Nisko Plan.

    Nazi Germany may have agreed to work with Zionists in Palestine to facilitate Jewish emigration there but that was only because Zionism simply provided an efficient way of getting rid of Jews and ending the Jewish boycott movement - before more drastic measures were conceived.

    Zionism originated as a national liberation movement, and was based on the right of self-determination. The Nazis’ plans for “concentrating” Jews in specific territories – whether it was Palestine, Poland or Madagascar - had nothing whatsoever to do with self-determination. These were expressions of the complete opposite: the use of force to strip Jews of all their rights, property and dignity. And ultimately, their lives.

    Nazi Germany did all it could to ensure that a Jewish state in Palestine never would emerge. Hitler and his henchmen were neither “facilitating” emigration nor supporting Zionism. In 1930s Germany, they were creating conditions that made life in Germany unbearable for Jews and many, many others.

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