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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    At the end of this video Dr. Kaufman shares a moving story that fits so well with my mission her at Mobility Mastery: to be an advocate for all pain - mental, emotional, physical - because it is through our pain that we wake up, and if we’re willing to feel the pain and get curious about it (rather than reactive and resist feeling it), we can earn superpowers that last a lifetime.

    I hope you enjoy this as much as I did, and please share your thoughts below.
    Learn more about Dr. Kaufman here: https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/

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    Great interview. First time I’ve heard of Kaufman but I like his objective honesty in scientific pursuits. For me, a true scientist or physicist is someone like Roger Penrose, even though he’s almost 90 years old—and has been deeply involved in the physics community for longer than many of us have been alive—he still keeps ‘the beginners mindset’; always probing, always questioning, always understanding that no matter how much you’ve discovered, you’ve only just scratched the surface and there’s infinitely more to learn. A true scientist has the humility to say ‘we just don’t know yet’.


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    In terms of 5G, I defer to the experts. No one knows more about wireless communication than Eric Dollard, and he thinks the whole 5G project is insane. Not only in terms of microwaving the earth with unnecessary radiation, but he’s also concerned about the micro-wave harmonics that so many 5G towers will produce as multiple signals start bouncing around off each other. He predicted a rise in electricity transformers and pylons starting to spontaneously combust as interference waves create more dielectric discharges.


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    COVID19, my views are a little unconventional as they’re grounded more in the Dollard, Tesla, Wilhelm Reich paradigm of how physics operates. Not watched Chris Martenson but have just watched this other guy Bill shared:

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    In turn, Martenson himself recommends this video explanation, saying that there's no way he himself could present it any better. (High praise, considering Martenson's skill and ability at interpreting complex ideas as simply as possible.)

    I’d say scientific materialism is good for identifying mechanisms and cataloguing symptoms, but it often falls short in understanding causes.

    I only know 1 person locally in the past 6 months who’s been officially diagnosed with it (who became an official COVID statistic), even though no tests were done to verify if he genuinely had it. He was wiped out for a full 6 weeks. I asked him to describe the symptoms and he said he didn’t have any major chest issues, just normal flu like symptoms, but what differentiated it from flu for him was the psychological component. He said he was having brutal and nauseating hallucinations. From his description it sounded more like an archetypal experience, probably brought on by the strong Pluto, Jupiter, Saturn conjunction several months ago, around the time he fell ill.

    I had my own COVID scare just over a week ago. Sudden intense burning nostrils, incessant sneezing, complete nasal congestion and excessive mucus production for days combined with a breathless dry cough and neuralgia in the hands and feet. My girlfriend was worried I’d caught it and wanted to go to the hospital. Whereas I just looked at the transits in my natal chart and noticed Mars in Aries conjuncting my natal Mercury.

    After consulting the medical astrology book, well what do you know, Mars conjunct Mercury causes congested nose, dry coughs, sneezing and nerve pain.

    Astrology is an ancient physics of dielectric fields, and I personally find it explains the whole coronavirus outbreak much more elegantly than the virus model. It explains why only a small minority of people catch it or show symptoms, why symptoms can present differently in different people. How people can catch it when they’re not in a 5G or WiFi areas etc.

    Can dielectric fields—either naturally produced (as in astrology) or artificially produced (as in 5G or wireless networks)—alter your PH levels enough to cause phenotopic polymorphism of healthy cells into virus cells? Seems there’s already been some research on the topic, its one area of science that rarely gets discussed outside its specialised circles, yet it could be significant in terms of the bigger picture of what’s really going on.

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    Exclamation Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    What if ANY common virus is more dangerous when people are radiated with 5G Cell Towers placed near bed-rooms & children schools 24/7

    This I stated long before C0VID Hysteria began!
    • And what if they (puppet masters aka technocrats) knew this in advance?
    I also wonder if some people can not handle (emotionally, mentally, psychologically) the concept that Beamforming 5G Technology might and CAN be weaponized!
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Should we move this thread into the 5G section? (Seems that we should!)
    Please don't do that. The issues I raised in the opening post have to do with much more than just 5G.
    I think that would be relegating it to a space where it would get much less attention than all those issues deserve, and though 5G is certainly an important one, it's by no means the only important one.
    Are you quite sure??

    My question to you was to make the point that you may have missed, but John below has just kindly emphasized for us all.

    I totally know this thread doesn't belong in the 5G section. That was my whole point.

    In fact, the thread title topic, as a pure topic, is extremely valuable and interesting. I'd like to talk about those issues. (And as anyone who knows me understands, I'm no materialist.) But the thread really has been trashed almost beyond recovery — not by you.

    Do you also see the problems the mods have here??




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    What if ANY common virus is more dangerous when people are radiated with 5G Cell Towers placed near bed-rooms & children schools 24/7

    This I stated this long before C0VID Hysteria began!
    • And what if they (puppet masters aka technocrats) knew this in advance?
    I also wonder if some people can not handle (emotionally, mentally, psychologically) the concept that Beamforming 5G Technology might be weaponized!

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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    I don't have a problem with it. 5G is definitely a big component of the issues raised, but if we break up the thread, it will lose focus even more, imho.
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    Bill, you and Frank seem to share a belief that many of us who are questioning the more mainstream theories about the origins and nature of this virus (if that's what it is) are all in denial about people actually getting ill and displaying similar symptoms.
    And that if we don't agree with and/or understand all the scientific jargon that the more mainstream scientists are providing, it's because we don't want to or are just too ignorant.
    (And you felt so strongly about that, you put it in huge, red letters in your post I am replying to here.)
    I don't think that is the case, and speaking for myself alone, it's definitely not the case.

    I think you agree that looking at the more alternatively oriented science which has a lot of valid questions about those mainstream theories is quite a sensible thing to do.
    But you also seem to be suggesting that maybe we're doing that because we just don't understand the "real" mainstream science.
    When actually the "real" science might just be missing a whole lot of research that draws just as valid conclusions, if not more so, as has been the case so many times in the past, when the "accepted" or "settled" science finally proves to be anything but.
    Couldn't it be that some of those thinkers outside the box are actually way ahead of the game?

    If you want to compare the credentials and reputations of these different kinds of researchers, we could probably keep on doing that ad infinitum.
    It's certainly been going on for quite some time now on various threads, and there is no lack of good examples.

    And I wouldn't even be on Avalon if that were not permitted, but the problem that is now bothering me and many others, I think, is that you and Frank, who in the power structure of Avalon (if it can be called that) are top dogd.
    Whether you agree with this or not, it does appear that way to many of the rest of us, and that you use that power at times to try to quash those of us who do not agree with your perspective(s).
    Even to the extent of making disparaging remarks, claiming that you understand better than we do, that your sources are the best ones, and using big red letters to make your points and (gasp!) using curse words that are partially blanked out in order to show how emphatically you want to make your point.
    Do you really not see how that can be construed as rather bullying tactics?

    Perhaps you didn't notice, but Greybeard stated that he actually is also a scientist. Frank says that he is a scientist, some of the other members here also appear to be scientists such as Indigo Pete (as evinced here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1376511 )
    ...and which I don't have to be a scientist to agree with.

    But even if we took a poll, or got everyone to display their credentials, or lined up and compared the professional reputations of all the different researchers, mainstream or not, what difference would it make?
    Imho probably not much, and wouldn't encourage more respect for those of us who you think just don't have the ability to understand the things that you think are most valid.
    And it wouldn't take into account the very eloquent posts such as Delight's here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1376561 and here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1376569
    ...which just go straight to the heart, though not bypassing the brain at all.
    (Or the no doubt equally eloquent one I anticipate upcoming from Araucaria, or the highly original one like this one from Jayke: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1376601)
    It's really all about perspective, and we all have our own unique perspectives that, if Avalon is really a community, can't be valued on a measuring scale.

    Which brings to the forefront perhaps the biggest elephant in the room at this point, which isn't 5G or vaccines or even scientific materialism, but why it is that on the thread that Frank started, "A Supercomputer Analyzed Covid-19, and an Interesting New Theory Has Emerged" ... the effects of his disparaging and condescending remarks have not really been addressed, nor the precipitous banning of 3 members from that thread so dismissively.
    Or your evasion of those issues, as though it were all justifiable and standard practice and excusable because the thread was being threatened with derailment.

    I have seen much more serious attempts at derailing threads go on for pages before anyone was banned, especially without being given warning.
    And the kind of belittling of members that Frank has engaged in is fairly unprecedented, I think.

    Apparently the info in the opening post of that thread was very precious to you and Frank for some reason, or perhaps you have both been very frustrated about the prodigious amount of information from sources more alternatively oriented that has been posted now ongoing for quite some time, and on so many different threads.
    Is it considered by the Admin that there should be a balance of "accepted" science as opposed to "alternatively oriented" science?
    Is that part of what Frank's definition of "community" on Avalon is?
    Is it yours?
    Thanks for your attention to these matters.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Bill this just one part that Frank posted

    "Again, with all due respect, but the denialist reactions I am seeing here at Project Avalon are based upon nothing but paranoid knee-jerk rejections of anything that even remotely reeks of the word "mainstream" ─ unless it comes from Fox News, apparently ─ as well as so-called "expert opinions" from YouTube talking heads with an agenda who can very easily influence those who never studied any sciences, and a huge amount of cognitive bias, supported by anecdotal evidence because a few mistakes have been made here and there in testing and/or counting infected people. And once again, had the US government ─ and to a lesser extent the British government ─ not been so incompetent, then those anecdotal mistakes would perhaps never even have been made.

    I'm a scientist, Chris. I don't do knee-jerks and I don't listen to opinionated talking heads. I know what I know because I've studied it, and I understand it. "

    Frank sounds so much like a fact checker here -- downgrading what members say --not just me as knee jerk.

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1375804
    5G mention by onawah here is a valid question to my mind
    I wonder how many of those symptoms are also caused by (or made worse by) 5G.
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1375843

    The test were reliable-- not so.
    Frank said
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1375847
    That was only true in North America, and specifically so in the USA, because the US CDC had mixed up the test kits with test kits for the flu.

    In the rest of the world however, the tests were reliable.

    I could go on but the there seems to be an essence of support for the narrative of the Elite.
    Frank is entitled to any view he holds --however its not what he said but the superior arrogant way in which it was conveyed.
    Some of it not true
    Some actually libellous re Wakefield.
    Quite a few members were upset, believe me.

    Chris
    Chris
    Jeez, Chris.

    Watch Chris Martenson's video and then come back and post again when you understand more. If you don't understand it (which is forgivable) — but really want to — watch it another time through.

    If you don't want t
    o understand it, then don't post about it.

    That's pretty ****ing simple. (I typed in those asterisks manually to make the point. )

    This topic is important, because it actually might explain the operation of the entire virus.

    OF COURSE, 5G will weaken the immune system. 4G and 3G do, too. We should all turn off our domestic Wi-Fi when sleeping, for instance. There are already posts about that, years ago. But that's not what this was about.

    Frank was legitimately frustrated. He had Covid himself. It's real.

    He has some underlying health issues. So do many humans. If you do, I hope you never get this thing.

    But for a self-proclaimed spiritual person, Chris, have some ******ed empathy.

    (I typed in those asterisks, too.)

    And I'll say this again. Don't post about something if you don't understand it — unless you want to understand it and are asking a question. That's always, always, fine. You may really not fully appreciate what opportunities there are here on Avalon to better understand just about anything at all.

    Chris, you understand very little science. That's not a hanging offense, at all. But maybe just devote yourself to things you DO understand.

    And knowing what you do and don't understand is a strength. It might be that there are some Avalon members who don't fully possess that.
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    Quote Posted by Chris Gilbert (here)
    Lately whenever I click on the new posts list, a vast chunk of it is discussions on Covid, 5G and Qanon.
    For clarification purposes, Qanon has not shown up in the “new posts list” (on the main front, right side) for over a year. Administration tweaked them July, 2019. If you use the ‘new post’ @ the top, right of the page, you’d only see the main “Q” thread only once when someone posts. As of this post, it’s the 13th one down. (see below)

    There are other pro&con “Q” threads that are in “members only” section. They don’t show up on the main front page. As you can see only 4 of the 13 thread have posts in months of August and September.

    Bill has instructed members to keep to those threads when talking about anything “Q”. Please note, those that frequent the “Q” threads have honored Bill’s request 95%-99% of the time.

    My heart sinks when I come across posts that poke at members that frequent those threads. If others took the time to see, they'd discover they are intelligent, kind and supportive. It's one of the threads that I don't need to hold my breath when I hit the "post/reply" button.


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    A look at my visitors messages will give an understanding of the little I know of Science.
    Its enough though.
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    Quote Posted by Agape (here)
    Anyway. We may be witness to whole new supercomputer times coming, digital wars and finally even the birth of Neo who will be faster than the fastest computer in the world.

    Imagine this and when trains were built and introduced as public transport some people cheered and others feared they’re dangerous and will damage the landscape.

    Sounds a bit anecdotal nowadays
    It is true IMO that resistance to change is on a spectrum. One definition of Conservative has to do with the attempt to hold on to the traditional (Conserve it). One interesting aspect to me is the way dress can be just absurdly traditional (Like nuns habits and the Amish dress). Then there are those who wear what they wore in high school. OR, there might be the example of WHY ties and suits, as they are, REMAIN perennially appropriate for "business attire"?

    But some things ARE worth "saving" and HOW doe we know without questioning what is what? Science won't be able to show us what to value IMO if it is narrowly defined.

    I am aware that I would fall in with the Luddites back in the day about machines. They DID threaten a whole way of life. Actually EVERY advance has destroyed SOMEthing. I will again quote Yorgos Sklavounos...

    "From what, For what, To what" should be consciously addressed in every decision. Deep introspection and slow and careful is IMO a way to understand that change and "new" is not better necessarily. Neither is traditional necessarily. There is a REASON to change OR NOT and IMO that is the SPIRIT. "What is the spirit of the law"?

    I am really glad I was 20 in the 70's. I would love to support a world where someday, someone will say the same about being 20 in the 2070's or is it my business after all to impose what I love?

    I dislike clear cutting forests, oil spills, denatured food, poisons, slavery and would like to STOP them. I like computers and movies and books and gardens and animals (like knowing chickens intimately) and having a big space around my house and traveling freely. I'd like to preserve these experiences. This is my personal truth.

    IMO we are collectively (in modern times now) best described as Termite People (Wizard of the Upper Amazon, by F. Bruce Lamb). We constantly dismantle and tear up and bring down willy nilly for the purpose of monetary growth. This is the thing... money is part of a cultish practice and science is also part of the cult (its liturgy) and the priests and the choir and the congregation all have their place to perpetuate the cult.

    IMO Castanada may have made up the source of Don Juan but the concepts are RIGHT. There is a parasite that embeds itself in our consciousness and we become its servant. After being enslaved, one can move up a hierarchy in the slave system. Those who are a bit immune to the "virus" (yes that), the very few who can see through the SYSTEM are liberated.

    I have my own personal religion and have noted others who have similar religion. IMO the religion is conservative. It is about maintaining our spirit. It is peaceful. We try to avoid confrontation but may have to rebel even if we die bodily.

    Change that is just stirring things around so someone can make some cash is what IMO has destroyed all real progress. I am immune to the system. I seek what is evolving and AFTER consideration and before the tear down. And hopefully intact to live another day. Amen.
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    It is really important that we be lighthearted in these times. Beetroot will help with that.

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    There is a rather grim, but in some ways certainly very realistic astrological forecast that I just posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1376665
    ...and it certainly touches on a lot of the issues that are probably troubling us all.
    Here's a sample:

    ***************

    "If you are of the kind who likes to keeps things under control, then you are likely pulled (or coerced) towards the extreme of passing harsh judgments and executing plans whose consequences could hold diabolical consequences to any future expectations. Extreme moves often result in equally extreme counter-movements.

    For instance, few people are comfortable with accepting that there’s now really no hope of ever returning to some preconceived or historically-defined sense of social order. None of the political systems of the 20th century (democracy, socialism, communism, fascism, etc.) seem to be working today. The ‘old normal’ is now patently falling away, and to try to argue that we can replace it easily with a ‘new normal’ is also patently naive, or at least ignorant of the myriad of variables that are messing with our currently crumbling systems.

    We all have our opinions on what must be done, but these often fall apart under any serious scrutiny or debate. Managing earthy resources is one thing, but to the opinionated freaks, psychic gurus and techno-geniuses out there, those who hold old-school power appear to be completely unscrupulous, authoritarian and insane. Which invites an equally as crazy opposing reaction. In between the two extremes of light and darkness lies the solution.

    Unless you are somehow ‘centered’ and balanced in all of this, meaning that your interests are not too heavily invested in one or two specific outcomes for the ‘foreseeable future’, it might feel as though you’re irreconcilably torn between your delusional nostalgia for yesterday and some fancy dream (or dystopian nightmare) for what tomorrow may hold.

    One thing is certain: Nothing is certain. Which leads all current expectation toward an unfortunate state of disappointment and despair."

    *******
    Sometimes it helps to look at the all the worst and just admit, "Yup, that is all certainly so"... and then just get on with your life.
    I still take a lot of comfort from George Green's trilogy of books, Handbook for the New Paradigm, Becoming, and Embracing the Rainbow, which can still be read for free on line here:
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/c...ewparadigm.htm

    They predict a time of great chaos and confusion, a battle of the light and dark, but in which, in the end, all comes together and makes for a new reality that actually works very well.
    It's hard to imagine at this juncture, but not totally impossible.
    I just have to keep reminding myself of it.
    I used to stay fixated on that hopeful portrait of the future, but lately I've been finding as much peace through facing the more fearful issues square in the face, or perhaps its becoming a blending of the two, which is probably more realistic.
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    Natalie, I finished listening to Dr. Kaufman and subscribed to his YouTube channel. Bright guy. Articulate. A willingness to update his knowledge base, and inform the public even if it means loss of income, life and/or his medical degrees.

    One of the many things I liked about him was how help Elisha Celeste navigate out of some awkward moments during the interview. Unlike the Alex Jones' of the world, he was patient and gave the young woman the opportunity to ask questions and helped clarify when needed.


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    Scrolling thru' twitter feed I saw a post by Gigi Young which reminded me of this thread. Twitter isn't so bad if I restrict it to a few people like Gigi, Dr Zev Zelenko, Del Bigtree, CA Fitts, Dark Journalist, nature, animals and a few others.

    Up pops this post:

    Quote Gigi Young
    We have been speaking to each other as though we are all in the same sphere of consciousness, we are not. What we are seeing is not a rivalry in ideas, or even politics, but rather completely different levels of consciousness trying to establish social homeostasis.
    We are in a time of enormous flux and have no idea where we will find ourselves and our planet in a month let alone a year. Let us seek to understand and connect with Life and each other and occupy a more expanded consciousness and a brighter place.

    And the Four Agreements, especially, perhaps, the second one, altho' all can be applicable to our lives:

    Quote The 4 Agreements

    🌠 Be Impeccable With Your Word
    Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

    🌊 Don't Take Anything Personally
    Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.

    🐹 Don't Make Assumptions
    Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

    👩🏽‍🌾 Always Do Your Best
    Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse and regret.”
    ― Don Miguel Ruiz
    And Don Juan:

    Quote Self-importance is man's greatest enemy. What weakens him is
    feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of his fellow men.
    Self-importance requires that one spend most of one's life offended
    by something or someone.
    Ya, this one can be like a bulldog to pry out, it just hangs on. When feeling offended, irritated or impatient with someone it often comes to mind

    All the best to y'all
    A million galaxies are a little foam on that shoreless sea. ~ Rumi

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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    I'm finding Dr. Kaufman to be so inspiring, and and I'm very glad he's getting some of the attention he deserves.
    The more passionate ones like Dr. Rashid Buttar and Del Bigtree are great too if you need to be stirred up, but if you are overwhelmed by all the info and need to calm down and be in a peaceful yet mindful space, Dr. Kaufman is just the ticket.
    Thanks for watching that and recommending it, Paula.
    For those who aren't familiar with Dr. Andrew Wakefield's work, there is a good article here:
    https://vaxxedthemovie.com/who-is-dr-andrew-wakefield/
    ...and an interesting talk he gave in 2018 here:

    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Natalie, I finished listening to Dr. Kaufman and subscribed to his YouTube channel. Bright guy. Articulate. A willingness to update his knowledge base, and inform the public even if it means loss of income, life and/or his medical degrees.

    One of the many things I liked about him was how help Elisha Celeste navigate out of some awkward moments during the interview. Unlike the Alex Jones' of the world, he was patient and gave the young woman the opportunity to ask questions and helped clarify when needed.

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    For me spirituality is the answer.
    This forum is about spirituality and science
    YET one long standing thread in the spiritual section recently hit a million guest visits.
    The thread get well over a thousand visits every week.
    Not even noticed or remarked upon by management.

    An interesting book is Power vs Force by the late Dr David Hawkins --its filled with spirituality and quantum science.
    High spiritual energy prevents evil wining.
    We are in very difficult times and I have compassion for those inspit of recent medical science who beieve the following.

    There is a super virus out to get us all (worse thing since)
    Immunization of 7 billion is the answer and that has to happen in order to return to normality.

    Masks are safe and prevents the spread of the virus

    The Draconian measure are an inspired attempt by the world governments to control the virus and should be welcomed.

    Governments have no agenda other than to protect the population

    All vaccines are safe and necessary

    Bill Gates is a good guy.

    The tests for the virus are valid in spite of health professionals at the highest level saying they are not fit for purpose.

    That locking down a whole city because ten have tested positive is the right thing to do (Aberdeen Scotland)

    Contact tracing necessary.

    The immune system is not capable of handling a new disease Health professionals say otherwise --thats what its there for.

    Its ok for Governments to invest our money ordering enough vaccines to inoculate every person man woman and child.

    Im ok with people not investigating WHO or NWO none elected Government of technocrats or Global reset

    Im ok with people having these beliefs as they know nothing of NLP Neurolinguistic programming.
    This is carried out repetitively by the media. Memes --sound bites.

    The one way to control people is fear.

    I could go on but up to people to check their own beliefs

    "Its easier to con people than convince them they have been conned"

    I pray every day that this evil that is affecting so many people is removed from planet earth (a living being)
    That normality is a world filled with love, harmony, compassion.

    Chris
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    There is no test that can differentiate between the Virus and Flu which is very deadly, it kills millions.
    If I am incorrect please correct.
    Others have told you already that your claim is nonsense -- nevertheless you are repeating this claim like a broken record. Why?

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    Its not my claim not my opinion.
    The inventor of the PCR test said not to be used for diagnosis.
    The tests are being weaponized to keep lockdown going.
    Im "tired" of posting professionals reports and what Robert F Kennedy junior has repeatedly said
    Here again.

    (PART 1) THE CV19 TEST IS A SCAM, Doctors, Professors, R F Kennedy Claim Worldwide
    Doctors, professors, lawyers EXPOSING THE LIE

    https://www.awakeningchannel.com/pos...374800170cd4ef

    Now if you want to challenge these Professionals fair enough but dont shoot the messenger.

    And

    "As 'covid-19' has never been isolated and proven to be a virus or disease, it cannot be tested for. Instead of 'covid-19' being tested for, what is actually being tested for is genetic material and a RNA sequence based upon lung fluid extracted from Chinese patients. This genetic material is found in everyone and at higher levels in very ill people suffering from any illness.

    Further, the test that is being used is called the RT-PCR test and the inventor said it should NEVER be used for diagnostics. This is because it is not a 'gold-standard' test that would give 100% accuracy. In fact, there is a false positive rate of 80% for this test. This means that the test is meaningless as it is just testing for genetic material and not coronavirus and even that is only a real positive for one in five people. Other tests being used are as bad or even worse. Further, using these tests anyone can test either positive or negative depending upon how many cycles the specimen is amplified by and as such the tests can be easily rigged."


    Now that is pasted from a legal team --they are not stupid they check their facts.
    Thank you for giving me the opportunity to repost scientific proven fact

    https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/th...irus-act-2020/
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    Whatever the scientific wrights and wrongs, the whole practise of banging up healthy people, testing healthy people and calling them "cases", weaponising them statistically to create sensationalised headlines that make no distinction between a fit person going about their business normally and someone needing intensive care/ventilator support...sure feels fairly "scammy" and people are becoming increasingly disillusioned with medical scientific institutions (as distinct from "science" itself). This is apparent in the comment columns of the Daily telegraph :-)



    Also...

    The 1% blunder: How a simple but fatal math mistake by US Covid-19 experts caused the world to panic and order lockdowns.

    Plus Bill Gates is completely freaking out. He needs the entire world population to take the vaccine regardless of how effective it is, the waiving of liability, the side effects etc. Remember that DNA is the next great world computing platform and it's important to get your monopoly started early. The guy is not a happy bunny and WE are the problem. We think we have a choice...

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    We are at war--that does not seem to register with some people.
    Our parents fought and died to preserve freedom of speech freedom of all kinds yet overnight the Cabal has brought about draconian restrictions.
    Yet people seem to think this ok due to the mass of propaganda.
    Dr's and other professional speaking out have their u tube videos deleted and reputations falsely trashed by fact checkers.
    Is it any wonder I repeatedly post not my opinion but scientific facts from those who have spent their whole lives looking after the health of us.
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    Many "scientists" these days are not actually scientists at all. They are politicians with a "scientist" label attached - i.e. officially endorsed scam merchants. They parade the "peer review" process and published papers around to authenticate their toxic opinions while giving scant regard to the scientific method itself.

    For example, I've read countless medical papers on all sorts of topics since I did my bit of (home, self funded, not institutionally rubber-stamped) research on flu vaccine adjuvant coverage vs Covid deaths a few weeks back. Most of these papers were written by Glaxo Smithklyne employees and funded by Glazo Smithklyne. They are basically promotional in nature rather than scientific because they all start with lines such as "vaccines are extremely safe" and have demonstrated x years of safe use" etc, which is not really something you'd put in a scientific paper unless you felt you had to do a bit of marketing first to mitigate any "wrongthink" prior to the reader reading your report. It sure isn't how I was trained to write up an engineering lab report anyway.

    They also are self-conflicting in that they try to prove both a positive and a negative at once. That vaccines DO have a beneficial effect and DON'T have any significant adverse affects. I'm afraid that is almost an impossible feat as the latter has to apply the scientific method in reverse (by proposing the adverse effect as a hypothesis without knowing what it is pre-emptively) and they should acknowledge this but don't. Deployment amongst the population is the true test so we are the guinea pigs.

    What people also need to consider is the psychological aspect of people who populate scientific institutions. Academics are generally not "truth seeker" type folks. They are people looking for an existing, safe intellectual framework to attach themselves to. Where there is a predictable promotional path and where compliance and hard work are rewarded rather than controversy. They're generally more worried about their pensions than the "truth".

    This is ok to a certain extent because we need institutions as a holding pen to caretaker and deploy the progress of human research and experience. But at the same time, by institutionalising knowledge you also create a great big honey pot for co-opting by malevolent, psychopathic control-freak tyrant type forces.

    In my opinion we are at the point now where B.S. meters are going off the scale - not necessarily with the core scientific institutions but at least with the pseudo-scientific, NGO ones such as the WHO and IPCC. Right now I feel safer and more protected by the regular joe with a questioning mind and a logical train of thought than I do with most institutionally-programmed academics. Just my opinion of course and somewhat of a generalisation. But as long as "science" carries any weight with the public it will be a politicised animal
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    In fact, the thread title topic, as a pure topic, is extremely valuable and interesting. I'd like to talk about those issues. (And as anyone who knows me understands, I'm no materialist.) But the thread really has been trashed almost beyond recovery — not by you.

    Do you also see the problems the mods have here??
    It's simple -- you have to restate the thread title topic, as a pure topic.

    Even the original post of this thread was confusing to me -- the thread title is about "Scientific Materialism" while the OP is about Kaufman's pet theory. We should separate these two different topics.

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