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    VERY Good News!!
    Covid update: The grand Ohio legal case for our time, against kings on their thrones
    by Jon Rappoport
    9/15/20
    —You can hate the law until it’s not there anymore—
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...their-thrones/

    "The news is coming fast, the implications are titanic.

    On Monday, I wrote about Thomas Renz, the Ohio lawyer who is taking on a case for a set of plaintiffs, against Ohio Governor Mike DeWine and the state of Ohio.

    The charge: DeWine has created massive damage through lockdowns and other “containment measures” designed to stop the spread of the purported coronavirus.

    Against DeWine, attorney Renz has mounted a legal case to defeat both Constitutional violations AND gross scientific fraud.

    (Attorney press release posted here; Attorney plaintiff document filed with court posted here: https://renzlaw.files.wordpress.com/...nt-final-1.pdf)

    Update: A crucial part of this case is the DISCOVERY process. Attorney Renz and his colleagues would have the opportunity to sit down with key players in the COVID operation and grill them, in great detail, on matters of fact and science.

    Imagine Fauci, Birx, Redfield in the room having to answer very probing questions UNDER OATH.

    And the discovery proceedings would be made public, as they happen. Renz would be filing periodic reports with the court.

    Another factor. The Ohio court, as part of its verdict, could grant PERMANENT INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. This means it could order the governor of Ohio to cancel the State of Emergency—thereby ending all orders and “containment measures” connected with the Emergency. No lockdowns, no mandatory masks, no mandatory distancing.

    Yes, I’m aware that nothing is a slam-dunk in the judicial system. Fingers crossed. But this is a chance, an opportunity, a ray of light, a practical and real possibility.

    Further, attorney Renz’s case is a model and a template for other lawyers, in other states and countries, who want to file similar cases.

    When a government declares an Emergency, it must explain and justify it on the facts, not on lies and deceptions. Otherwise…

    The Constitution no longer exists.

    The Law no longer exists.

    In their place, there is a reversion to a time of arbitrary edicts, handed down from kings and their wise ones who must not be doubted or challenged.

    On what rational basis has Governor Mike DeWine taken away the freedom of citizens? Where is his evidence? What is the quality of that evidence, beyond the mere claim that “experts are always right”?

    In his law suit against Governor DeWine, attorney Renz takes up big questions:

    What are the REAL COVID case and death numbers?

    How much flim-flam has been deployed to cook those numbers?

    What is the underhanded definition of a COVID case?

    Why is the PCR test useless?

    Can a strip of RNA stand in for a virus that isn’t defined?

    Is this a pandemic or is it just “another flu season?”

    These are just a few of the many questions attorney Renz raises in his lengthy Ohio court filing. He has shocking answers. They do not depend on the news or the assumed primacy of the Coronavirus Task Force or a sitting president or a presidential candidate or a political party or governors. The answers don’t depend on what Governor DeWine thinks or what he has been told.

    You could compare this case to a proceeding in which the evidence of a law-enforcement lab is challenged purely on the merits of its findings. The name of the lab doesn’t matter. The government agency which houses the lab doesn’t matter. The so-called reputation of the lab doesn’t matter. What matters is a searchlight centering on fact and truth.

    The serious nature of the Ohio proceeding is magnified, because at stake is the freedom of many, many citizens. Their liberty, as enshrined in basic Law, is on the line.

    We’re at a crossroads. This case and what happens to it are of vital importance.

    Attorney Renz is asking for a jury trial. Citizens would be empaneled to listen to a profound and detailed UNCOVERING of evidentiary fraud, on a truly massive scale. And then this jury would hear how the fraud is leveraging the lockdowns and the destruction of businesses and lives, and the removal of freedom.

    This case puts its arms around the immediate future of the country, the Constitution, the basic concept of Law, the difference between a jury and a King, and whatever still remains of 1776.

    This case dives into the difference between claims of science, and science, and who controls the distinction.

    Winning this one would expose a scientific fraud so solid, so dense, the whole world would see an iron curtain of a century’s duration exploding in front of their eyes.

    Victory requires one imperative: follow the Law.

    CODA…BREAKING… More good news: federal judge declares Pennsylvania governor’s COVID restrictions unconstitutional.

    Bricks are falling out of the walls of the American imprisonment—

    CBS News, Pittsburgh: “U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV, an appointee of President Donald Trump, sided with the plaintiffs. Stickman wrote in his ruling that the [Pennsylvania] Wolf administration’s pandemic policies have been overreaching, arbitrary and violated citizens’ constitutional rights…”

    FOX News: “The ruling found that [Pennsylvania Governor] Wolf’s restrictions that required people to stay at home, placed size limits on gatherings and ordered ‘non-life-sustaining’ businesses to shut down were unconstitutional.”

    In this case, the judge made his ruling strictly on Constitutional grounds. His conclusion is worth reading:

    “…even in an emergency, the authority of the government is not unfettered. The liberties protected by the Constitution are not fair-weather freedoms — in place when times are good but able to be cast aside in times of trouble. There is no question that this Country has faced, and will face, emergencies of every sort. But the solution to a national crisis can never be permitted to supersede the commitment to individual liberty that stands as the foundation of the American experiment. The Constitution cannot accept the concept of a ‘new normal’ where the basic liberties of the people can be subordinated to open-ended emergency mitigation measures. Rather, the Constitution sets certain lines that may not be crossed, even in an emergency. Action taken by Defendants [Governor Wolf] crossed those lines. It is the duty of the Court to declare those actions unconstitutional. Thus, consistent with the reasons set forth above, the Court will enter judgement in favor of Plaintiffs.”

    United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania, US District Judge William S Stickman IV, County of Butler et al v. [Governor] Thomas W Wolf et al.

    NO emergency is so great that it supersedes individual liberty and freedom.

    Even if the science underlying the official response to COVID were true (which it decidedly is NOT), it wouldn’t justify tearing away Constitutional and natural freedoms.

    The resistance to tyranny is alive.

    A million peaceful protestors in Berlin; 460,000 bikers riding into Sturgis, South Dakota, where Governor Kristi Noem has never locked down; numerous other protests the mainstream press refuses to cover; the new groundbreaking Ohio lawsuit filing I’ve been covering; untold millions of people who know what a sham and a crime the whole COVID operation really is…

    Lights are coming on and the wind has changed direction."

    Also posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378266
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    Launch of SpectatorTV - Andrew Neil on The Week in 60 Minutes | The Spectator
    Anrew Neil is a top reporter in UK

    The test fully explained by a Top professor.

    It is becoming clear that science got it wrong regarding test vs reality.
    The number of cases going up, hospitalisation falling, death rate virtually nil.
    The video explains fully why this is happening.
    This program is important as this is main stream news reporting.
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    Mod questions from Bill:

    Why is this thread called Scientific Materialism versus Truth? Why is it in the Alternative Science section?

    Why are members posting Covid news here when there are already over 50 Covid threads? (Go count them.)

    Judging by the intriguing promise of the title, this thread could showcase a really interesting discussion on the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, and the meaning of "truth".

    But it's not about any of that at all. This is yet another bulletin board about Covid, as if we needed any more. (At first it seemed to be about 5G, but then that changed.)

    What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?

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    Please shift my last post to a more suitable thread Bill.
    That many threads over there Im not sure where it fits
    Best wishes
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    With respect, I don’t think this thread calls for more moderation because the main issue seems to be that it strays into non-consensual areas not in line with the forum’s, for want of a better phrase, ‘editorial stance’. The problem is that the scientists are on the mod team and moderating, rather than discussing substantive issues. Science is notably about lone voices disagreeing, and Rupert Sheldrake is the embodiment of that principle, being also an eminent scientist. Since his video was posted only yesterday and is bang on topic, I don’t think generally speaking that we have strayed too far (but then, I’m not a mod). I also think it is impossible in 2020 to avoid the covid19 issue altogether with regard to just about anything, but particularly with respect to scientific practices, which are at the forefront of much debating going on. So while I agree that a more theoretical discussion would be extremely worthwhile, I don’t think there is all that much that needs to be changed on this thread.


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    Regarding the most recent of my posts
    The Week in 60 minutes.
    The professor gives a very fair analysis of the situation and to my satisfaction explains spikes and flattening the curve,
    He explains that he is for the tests for what they were designed to do and points out that these test can not prove the person is ill, nor infectious.
    The diagnosis is at fault not the test.
    People are making a fortune out of lying to the public--using false information.
    Billionaires fortunes have gone up substantially since March -- I wonder why?
    So loosely Science materialism has caused this extreme situation.
    There is no regard for the truth which has been posted by quite a few on this thread.

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    Loosely thought ...

    I think it’s because there are 3 main (strong and weak) forces operating in the Universe, One is the Law of Attraction, Three is the Law of Repulsion and Two is the Law of Mathematics.

    These forces have multiple names and pathways, of course.

    While purest in the abstract, the Law of mathematics, dharma and scientific materialism are steadfast and possible to verify with some effort

    the Law of Attraction : Love, Life and its innate intelligence are faster. We detect before we even acknowledge the existence of alien to us phenomena,
    we feel and reflect or deflect biologically faster than we process mentally.

    We live faster than we read

    Do any of these phenomena we are attracted to or in fight with represent truth ?

    Does any abstract Law really represent truth ?

    Do these forces I’m talking about represent truth ?


    Indeed does Universe present us with options to engage or disengage with any particular phenomenon or seek freedom from it or seek affinity with it ?


    Can truth be contained in someone’s hypothesis or narrative even if it contained all human libraries ?


    In all languages ever spoken ..


    Then why are people, fundamentally speaking still searching for new expressions everyday ?

    Does it not prove the supremacy of life over “deus ex machina” ?



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    Yup.
    All I know for sure right now is that I am very unsure of most things at the moment.

    This thread could be inserted in the cognitive dissonance thread without even derailing it as a good example of that very thing.

    Every one of us is guilty of it. It is unavoidable. No matter how careful we are in maintaining an objective stance, our own bias will creep in and overwhelm us, making it seem to ourselves that we are the level-headed one. It is the nature we have been programmed with or it is human nature, or maybe even mammalian nature. I don't know. Maybe we are incapable of ever being purely objective because of the fundamental subjective nature of our lives.

    But the discussion only sometimes gets around to scientific materialism vs. truth. Except as that relates to any particular subjective viewpoint, and using the title of the thread as a point in favor of it, regardless which side of the debate the viewpoint favors.

    Scientists argue from a position of authority, meaning holding the establishment point of view, whatever that might be defined as, and it has been defined in every which way. And the truthers argue that materialism cannot be truth, refuting the authority of the establishment.

    Note the difference, establishment means the accepted viewpoint. The accepted viewpoint cannot be argued because it is accepted. Until it is not. Then it becomes self-evident to everyone.

    So what we are perhaps witnessing here, is the cognitive dissonance preceding a reordering of established dogma. Or not.

    One side will give way because it must. But for right now there is impasse, where both sides might believe the other side is not being rational. Both sides have irrefutable proof, and are convinced it is without bias. Until the facts are in we cannot be sure...

    I wonder how sure it is appropriate to be right now about anything?
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    As I've explained before here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1377114
    ...(perhaps you didn't see it, Bill) I used the term "scientific materialism" not knowing that it referred to a more philosophical aspect about science itself.
    I meant it in the way I have seen it used more recently, such as in the Dr. Kaufman video which was included in post #1 of this thread.
    5G has been included in the discussion because there is plenty of good evidence (Exomatrix has provided a wealth of it!) showing that 5G can exacerbate symptoms that are being attributed to Covid, so that is well within the parameters of the discussion as outlined in the OP.
    That is, in referring to "fake science" which obfuscates the truth, twists the facts or simply lies, and is being used to further agendas whose real goal is simply profit--thus the term "materialism".
    See: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/materialism
    updated: Definition:" the philosophical theory that regards matter and its motions as constituting the universe, and all phenomena, including those of mind, as due to material agencies."
    Also:
    "preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, with a disinterest in or rejection of spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values."(--thus leaving out the higher faculties of intuition, imagination, conscience. )

    So actually, the term as it is defined both ways dovetail quite nicely and fit very well into this discussion, imho.

    (updated: Also, the focus should be on when lies are being told by omission--that is, when things like 5G or vaccines are claimed to be safe and the science proving it to be "settled" when there have been no legitimate studies at all that have actually proven that. Especially when the studies that have supposedly proven safety have been shown to be inaccurate, the facts skewed, or facts omitted or obfuscated.)


    I put the OP under Alternative Science because it seems that that is how some of the real science is now being viewed by the mainstream, as opposed to science that is often being presented by the mainstream media as being the "accepted" and uncontested science (and is NOT!!)
    Perhaps not the best choices on my part, but I'm not concerned about how the thread has evolved, which may be a bit confusing to some, but is one of the more interesting and important threads on Avalon, imho.

    I don't think we are taking up too much space or being rude or violating any hard Avalon rules, are we?
    We are certainly presenting credible evidence from sources who have proven their worth.

    One reason, as a few of us have stated before, for this ongoing discussion is that there seems to be a tendency lately for you and/or Frank to use your clout as the Admin. to target posts that don't agree with your particular views on masking, Covid testing, and/or certain issues having to do with vaccines.
    And I think that has been of particular concern to certain members who have been posting about those issues here and elsewhere on the forum.
    And the troubling way that that ties in with the censoring of credible information in the mainstream media of anything having to do with masking, Covid testing, and the dangers of vaccines.
    I think you can understand why this is a concern to us yet so far as I know, it has not really been addressed by you as yet.
    I've even wondered if you are being pressured by someone from "the other side".
    Because Avalon is supposed to be a forum where we can air such views, even if they don't agree with the Admin.
    Please forgive my bluntness, but it seems that you may actually be more concerned with that than with the broad and rather rambling scope of this thread.

    For anyone who is interested, there is more here:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378044
    ...that is relevant to this discussion.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Mod questions from Bill:

    Why is this thread called Scientific Materialism versus Truth? Why is it in the Alternative Science section?

    Why are members posting Covid news here when there are already over 50 Covid threads? (Go count them.)

    Judging by the intriguing promise of the title, this thread could showcase a really interesting discussion on the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, and the meaning of "truth".

    But it's not about any of that at all. This is yet another bulletin board about Covid, as if we needed any more. (At first it seemed to be about 5G, but then that changed.)

    What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?
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    It does seem that the agenda of the cabal -- test -- mask is being supported to a certain degree on this forum.
    Perhaps unconsciously.

    Bill you called the test a blunt instrument --well blunt instruments kill and it continues to be used very effectively in the UK.

    Fact, the death rates UK are almost nil the, Government is testing more and more therefore the number of cases increases and the number of cases is used by the Boris to predict further lockdown and threatened closure of schools.
    The public are of course blamed for a spike in positives -- the number of people hospitalised falls to almost zero.

    The video I posted most recently is very clear and that is expert opinion.

    A positive case does not indicate that the person has anything that is transferable or is in anyway ill.
    Yet as said it is used to justify more draconian measures --killing people, yes lockdown does that, and ruining the econemy.
    Bankrupting people --so who will pay for their mortgage --we are talking about homeless, not enough homes for rent.
    Of course NWO and Reset will save the world!!!

    The number of suicides is probably escalating I cant find a full rate
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/male-suic...e-in-20-years/
    I think we need to fully support David Icke
    Do not acquiesce, no masks, no testing.

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    I don't fully trust "science".
    Scientific Materialism, well, materialism--->money system---> Power, ultimately. It is becoming more and more obvious to most of us in this 3-D creation.

    Nor do I fully trust media, nor politics, nor education, nor economics, nor finance, nor religion, nor the medical system, nor new-age literature, nor textbooks, nor... well, anything in this 3-D reflection?
    I really don't need more much more evidence of the inconsistencies. Guess I am more interested at this point in the agenda behind the blatant and apparent propaganda that is being insidiously installed into all our psyches.

    I wonder if anyone who comes here to PA is not already fairly convinced of the manipulation going on. (like Chris said at some point, a lot of his postings are speaking to the still-blind believers in the propaganda being put out there, in most ALL disciplines.) Many of us have been involved in the wake-up call for years! The good news, as I see it, is that it is actually working! YAY. We are seeing the evidence right now, although it sure is tumultuous as we are having our anchors pulled up faster than ever.

    BUT - I do also love to examine as many aspects of all of these disciplines in my feeble attempt to get an ever bigger overview. I think of it as "zooming in" and "zooming out". I have no problem zooming in to the minutia, as I know there are people of great intelligence and curiosity who are drawn to every field, and their discoveries can be valuable gems. The facets of human intelligence are so unique and far-flung, that I try to take care not to negate any exciting tid-bit that a mind might dredge up.
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    Default Re: Materialistic Science, Scientific Materialism... and Truth

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Judging by the intriguing promise of the title, this thread could showcase a really interesting discussion on the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, and the meaning of "truth".

    But it's not about any of that at all. This is yet another bulletin board about Covid, as if we needed any more. (At first it seemed to be about 5G, but then that changed.)

    What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?
    I think you are misreading the title -- because I made the same mistake.

    The title says it all: Scientific Materialism versus Truth (aka Alternative Science). In this way the title suggested that Scientific Materialism is wrong -- so who cares about the philosophy and history of mainstream science? The wording directed the debate away from this questions and encouraged others to post comments about Alternative Science.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    What should the thread title be amended to? What section should it be in? Or which thread(s) should it be merged with?
    A more appropriate title may be something like
    "Alternative Science regarding covid-19"
    or
    "Just Another Thread about Alternative Science"
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I've found just 3 posts about the philosophy and history of science and the scientific method, especially about the dominant role of Scientific Materialism:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1377993
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378132
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1378145

    You may create a new thread like "Science is based on Materialism -- but why?" or something like this. But it's possible that such a thread will flooded with "alternative viewpoints" in the same way as Frank's thread about the Bradykinin Hypothesis was derailed.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Quote Posted by Old Student (here)
    Reading through the quote from David Kay, it presents a kind of duality, between religion and scientific "rationalism" which holds to the material world. I'm not sure the landscape and the choices are not more complex.
    The landscape of philosophy and history of science is much more complex, for sure. But where to begin? And how many people on this forum are interested in a more detailed reflection?

    For example, it makes sense to replace the duality between religion and scientific "rationalism" by three different fields:
    • religion -- especially Christianity, because we are talking about the development of science since medieval times in the Western World
    • science based on rational thinking and empirical "facts"
    • metaphysics, a branch of philosophy which is based on rational thinking, but it has no support in empirical facts

    Some major topics which belong to the field of metaphysics:
    • questions about space and time
    • the relation between the mental and the physical
    • free will
    • ethics
    • aesthetics

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    Yes silvanelf, agreed.
    My posts were inline with the opening video.
    Chris
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    Our friend Carmody is a scientist, who for reasons of his own doesn't post much these days. However, I can bring him to this thread via a post (responding to something I wrote) that was originally public until my thread was removed to the members only section, which is why I am quoting it in extenso. It covers the subject of language in general and scientific language in particular.
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Quote The bottom line is that there are no closed systems. This holds for language too. Basically, what I am saying is to warn against taking language as a closed system that somehow equates with, is equivalent to, the world as a closed system that it can represent on a one-on-one basis, and the self as a closed system that it can likewise express. Not so: language is an open system that is so far from exhausting the open systems that are the world and the self. It is process all the way, near total incompleteness.
    "It is estimated that the there are between 10^78 to 10^82 atoms in the known, observable universe. In layman's terms, that works out to between ten quadrillion vigintillion and one-hundred thousand quadrillion vigintillion atoms."

    "The Second Edition of the 20-volume Oxford English Dictionary contains full entries for 171,476 words in current use, and 47,156 obsolete words. To this may be added around 9,500 derivative words included as subentries."

    Since the 'base' or number of words in the english language is approximately 80,000 words, give or take a few, and the arrangement patterns have additional modifications to meaning....when one does the rough calculation, one finds that the potential number of words and meanings in a sentence, in the English language alone.... more than likely exceeds the number of atoms in the universe.

    Does language contain potential in expression, or is it mere complexity - lacking in accuracy? Do more words offer a more perfected shaping in expression, and do fewer words equal a form of comfortable mirror-like ambiguity? Do writing rules break potential, or bring it into shape? Is it about the translation and the transfer?


    Is technical language a marching and trained army in a phalanx of aimed and directed intent; is it a coordinated reduction into a box? This is a requirement for handling ideas and the transfer of information. But not always.

    Is a novel an open expression of the universe's potential?

    What lies in between?

    A human?

    Give a man a fish and he can feed his family. Once.

    Teach a man to fish and he can feed a family forever thereafter. Or even....feed a world. Or help a world feed itself.

    What lies in the confines of the internal interpretation and taking on of prose? Control (the box) ...or...infinity?

    Oddly enough, this can take us to the meaning of 3d linear unidirectional time-space, and..Karl Popper. To paraphrase Popper, to being an overlay of his musing and intents on science...over onto this subject of prose...the more refined and defined a point or subject in expression in it's communication and associated literature, the more likely it is to be disprovable, or contain potentials in attacking it. The edifice in definition provides it's own mark in time, of a coming decay.

    In some thinking we find a universal self, that is in a far more perfected communication with other and in self. It being the astral, the spiritual. Etc.

    We gain insight into it, it's stories and considerations cross into our awareness and such data says these things about communication within those given realms. Does such a level of communication and sharing eventually cause reduction into a ..nothing?

    It is possible to have life define itself as 'differential'. That life is information, and information is differential in base character and nature. The idea that intelligence is built of these things. That the universe is alive.

    Does this mean that our given granulated existences, here, in this place... are necessary, for life itself (across multiverses)...to exist?

    With such in mind, we return to the potential meanings..in and of -prose.

    I am constantly off topic, almost unerringly so. But I do like to try to teach the man to fish.
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    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    metaphysics, a branch of philosophy which is based on rational thinking, but it has no support in empirical facts

    Some major topics which belong to the field of metaphysics:
    • questions about space and time
    • the relation between the mental and the physical
    • free will
    • ethics
    • aesthetics
    With the exception of maybe free will, the other items on the list are measurable with empirical facts, so they’d just be classed under ‘physics’ rather than metaphysics.

    Space is measurable i.e. volume.
    Time i.e. Versor algebra (music)
    Relation between mental and physical i.e. neuroscience.
    Ethics i.e. character analysis, a subset of neuroscience.
    Aesthetics i.e. geometry and proportion (classical art).

    You can discuss these things philosophically of course but they all have a basic set of physically measurable principles behind them. I’d find it curiously unscientific to suggest otherwise.

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    Anyway, to add to my previous posts in this thread, James DeMeo has a couple more presentations available from the 2020 ‘Energy, Science and Technology‘ conference, which were released earlier today.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Cosmic Ether Exists: Correcting A Major Error In Modern Science (Part 1) covers a wide-range of very important scientific facts and should be required study for anyone majoring in any branch of the natural sciences.


    In the last 20 years of dedicated research and experiments in the energy sciences, there is one reference that I have given out probably more than all others combined and that is a link to a website on Dr. James DeMeo’s Orgone Lab’s page with references to Dayton Miller. It’s that important!

    It is often claimed that the famed Michelson-Morley experiment with an interferometer proved that the ether doesn’t exist, but nothing could be further from the truth and Dayton Miller’s are some of the most pronounced and important, especially for their time.

    If you don’t know what an interferometer is, it is a device that splits a beam of light into two paths. As the entire assembly is rotated, the idea is that if the beams come to meet at the destination at the same time, there is no ether. If there is a time difference when the two beams meet, then this shows that there is something speeding up or slowing down one of the light paths and this suggests that there is an ether in or of space.

    Not only have positive results been revealed a century ago, dozens of other scientists all the way into recent times have verified it as well, which is the subject of Dr. DeMeo’s new, upcoming book The Dynamic Ether of Cosmic Space.

    Why is this important and why should you care about whether or not the ether exists? For one thing, the very foundation of conventional physics regarding space and time completely fall apart, which means we need another perspective. But it also means that there is possibly a potential energy source that can be tapped right out of thin air and this could possibly lead the way to clean, sustainable and unlimited energy production.

    For years, the establishment has clung to and pushed the Einsteinian world-view, which is a variation of relativity without the ether. However, with deeper analysis, the effects of relativity are only made possible because of the very ether that Einstein denied. Einstein’s paradigm was put on shaky ground primarily by the work of Dayton Miller and he even admitted it multiple times.
    “I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards.“
    Albert Einstein, in a letter to Robert Millikan, June 1921 (in Clark 1971, p.328)
    As you can guess, the importance of Dr. DeMeo’s presentation cannot be stressed enough because not only was Miller’s experiment NOT based on a fundamental error, indisputably, many scientists since him have also arrived experimentally at the same conclusions and these verifications continue to this day. In other words, Einstein’s theory of relativity collapsed like a house of cards many years ago and the evidence is both insurmountable and irrefutable. You will see other admissions by Einstein in this presentation that further reinforces his lack of confidence in his ether-less model of time and space – and those admissions are literally in his own words.

    Besides the interferometer and other experiments that show the existence of the ether, you will learn how the Sun, Earth and the rest of our Solar System moves through the Universe and it is quite different than how this is commonly portrayed. This is very important to understand because it influences how how the Earth interacts with the ether that it is moving through. It is not a symmetrical spiral moving through space as some popular online videos and memes would have you believe, there is an eccentricity to it not only in its motion but in its velocity!

    If you only get the above concepts out of this presentation, it is still worth its weight in gold. However, there are a lot more scientifically, verified facts contained in the 90 minute video and by the time you’re done watching it the first time, you’ll never see Einstein’s claimed “curved space” model in the same light again. In fact, you’ll never look at anything in the Universe the same way again.
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    I wouldn't object to that, though again, my intention was to focus as much on "fake science" used to create profit and the unethical censorship that results, as well as science directly related to Covid and the whole conspiracy that the Plandemic is part of.
    If the creators of the more pure, theosophical discussion of science would like to have their posts moved to another thread, I wouldn't object to that either.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I wouldn't object to that, though again, my intention was to focus as much on "fake science" used to create profit and the unethical censorship that results, as well as science directly related to Covid and the whole conspiracy that the Plandemic is part of.
    If the creators of the more pure, theosophical discussion of science would like to have their posts moved to another thread, I wouldn't object to that either.
    Quote Posted by silvanelf (here)
    A more appropriate title may be something like
    "Alternative Science regarding covid-19"
    My proposal was just an idea. The reference to covid-19 may be too specific, because others may want to debate the "fake science" used to create profit in other contexts as well. For example:
    • GMO (Genetically modified organisms)
    • vaccines
    • the "Cancer Industry"
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    Agreed, as I consider vaccines to be part of the Covid issue, because it's quite obvious that part of the lockstep of the lockdown is to vaccinate as many people as possible with an untested, unsafe vaccine which will further destroy public health and also further the NWO depopulation agenda.
    But there's more to it than Covid--also about the growing censorship including censorship on Avalon and how science is subverted for the sake of profits and to cover up actual crimes.

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    Fear degrades the immune system and creates "fight or flight" this bypasses the front cortex so rational thought is well nigh impossible.
    The immune system has protected the human race since time begins it is an expert at tackling new disease -- all diseases.
    The tests pick up on the debris left after the immune system has successfully dealt with the virus.
    This gives a positive result to fragments of the disease which are not capable of doing anything.
    The test was never designed for diagnosis the inventor was clear on this.

    The cabal knows all this and push fear, tests and time being get the flu vaccine till the covid vaccine is ready.

    Even if there is nothing but financial gain in the vaccine manufacturers agenda, it is a very dangerous time for the future of the human race.
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    And heaven help the poor children! Such traumas they are facing now.
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