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    Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?

    Who would like to, but figure they just can't?

    Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?

    What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)

    Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them ó whatever that may be?


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    You may have heard that here in Australia the police state has emerged in a big way, and that's true. We're fortunate in that we moved to the country a few years ago, about 1.5 hours from the East Coast, so we're not as exposed to the restrictions that city folks feel. Nonetheless, we're waiting to see how things pan out over the next year and if this totalitarianism continues, we're contemplating a move overseas to Bali (Ubud) or Thailand (Koh Phangan) because of the well established ex-pat communities there. Mexico is another option. So, it's a wait and see approach at present.
    Our destiny is in our hands. Let us visualise a world of truth, freedom and equality.

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    We've moved north to our cottage, about 250 km northeast of Toronto. It's the highest elevation in the province. Has clean air and water. Our garden is producing a decent yield for the first time, and we are expanding it using Ruth Stout's permaculture methodology. We plan to stay here until the scamdemic is over. If they try to force vaccinate us we will run into the woods and take our chances there.

    It doesn't appear that the scamdemic is lessening. All dissent has been snuffed in the msm. Despite the CDC admitting only 6% of the covid 'deaths' were from only CV, and despite acknowledgement that the tests can be 50% (or more) false positive, and Ontario only having less than 50 hospital beds occupied by CV patients (out of 32000 beds), emergency measures and mandatory face masking continues. I am not hopeful of an early, or positive, outcome from this false flag scamdemic.

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    Default Re: Strategic Relocation

    I am hunkering down and staying put! I upped my food storage and my fall garden is in and producing. I completed my rainwater catchment plan and am working on the solid power. I am more than adequately armed so now for me it is just wait and see.

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    Its alway hard to theorize what one will do in a dire situation until it happens. I live alone right outside NYC and for now I will stay put. My son lives not too far away and where he goes I would go.

    What kind of life do we want to live? How far can we slip and let go of what we have , had and now take as a given ?

    I watched Terrance Malick,s film " A hidden Life" the other night. Chilling, and not far fetched to what were seeing slowly unfold now.

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    I almost quit my job back in 2011 in anticipation of 2012. Glad I didn't. I live in rural Ontario. Outside the local towns, but not that far. Have my own well, wood stove. Suppose things go real south and the cities are a mess. People dying and the survivors move out to find places like mine. I don't own a firearm and in Canada, that's not an easy task. Even if I did have some rifles, shotguns, handguns. How long would that last before a gang with more guns than me wipes me and my dog out. Maybe, a small community around me taking a stand. Then what?... In my opinion, you would need to get really far out of Dodge, with prep. My path will be to face whatever comes and trust my own self determination for survival as a truth. The rest will come. Elsewhere is not an option.
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    mijatoca/ i truly understand. I always remember the guy prepping for a hurricane in Florida who was killed falling off his roof in preparing
    turned out the hurricane never hit his area.

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    Iím grateful that I donít have to worry about my son. Iím not feeling something catastrophic coming, or maybe Iím in denial. I havenít put a lot of time in researching about ďThe Big EventĒ. I figured thereís nothing I can do about it. Just roll with the punches.

    In the meantime, Iíve replenished my stash reserves and purchased certified organic seeds for sprouting and micro-greens. Extra filters for the Berkey Water gravity feed system and single water bottles. They'll convert the streams and pond water in my area into safe drinking water.

    Iím eating fresh fruits and vegetables while they are still available. Iíve fermented a lot of vegetables. Beyond that, I live each day like I have for so many years.

    The bottom line is Iíd drive myself nuts trying to prepare for every possible scenario. Where I am is the perfect place. Iíve lived a full life. Itís felt like five lives in one. When the time comes, my plan is to go out with full conscious awareness. But I don't foresee that happening any time soon.


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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?

    Who would like to, but figure they just can't?

    Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?

    What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)

    Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them ó whatever that may be?

    I played this game 7 years ago... nothing happend... I've drastically changed my mind on the extremity that can potentially occur based on events far removed from all our normal every day lives.

    My conclusion was it is very very minor & after inspection... it seems to be mostly an energetic drain.

    I will retain my "escape" property (that I happen to be lucky enough to have acquired) but I will not again indulge in that mentality (run and hide) instead I am in the heart of corruption (D.C.) and I will be me.
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    Me, my house is for sale and I am moving to a small rural farming town (hopefully).

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    I played this game 7 years ago... nothing happend... I've drastically changed my mind on the extremity that can potentially occur based on events far removed from all our normal every day lives.
    Your comment reminded me of a post from January, 2020 when Dellght/ Maggie asked, "ARE we in a new world?" & also stated: "Becoming fearless is a key feature for me."

    My response:

    Mine is and it's ever changing. Mostly in subtle ways. I wish people could live the way it is for me. But most would be bored out of their gourd because they thrive on action packed gotta go, go, go.

    Fearless is part of it. For me, fearlessness came from living through the darkest of dark and the scariest of the scary. In some ways it was easier when I understood less. I think of the fires Iíve walked through and come out the other side a new and improved model. But now? Iím smarter. I walk around them. The transformation still happens. Inner-knowing, knowledge, intelligence, creativity trumps fearlessness.

    There was a time when I stockpile foods, medicines, alternative energy sources and the like. Iíve got a box load of batteries that've reached or are about to reach their expiration date. It was partly fear driven and it sucked up a lot of energy. I let it go when I came across a 3 minute clip of a movie taking about the same damn stuff thatís all over the internet today only it was produced 39 years ago!

    Now? My corner of the world is the best it can be until things shift out there. And Iím not waiting around for it to happen.

    Iím here for a physical experience until I am not. Subtle consciousness is learning how to partner up with bio-body and see what we see. So instead of batteries, I stockpile experience for myself and for those who weren't able to book a flight to 3D Planet Earth.


    A Conversation about Reality - My Dinner with Andre (1981) (3 minutes)
    ďÖhas it ever occurred to you Wally that the process that creates this boredom that we see in the world now may very well be a self-perpetuating unconscious form of brainwashing created by a world totalitarian government based on money. And that all of this is much more dangerous than one thinks. And itís not just a question of individual survival Wally, but that somebody whoís bored is asleep and somebody whoís asleep will not say ďNo.Ē.

    ďÖSee I think it's quite possible that the 1960s represented the last burst of the human being before he was extinguished and that this is the beginning of the rest of the future now that from now on they'll simply be all these robots walking around feeling nothing, thinking nothing, and they'll be nobody left almost to remind them that there once was a species called a human being with feelings and thoughts. And that history and memory are right now being erased and soon nobody will really remember that life existed on the planet.Ē
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    Quote Posted by Elainie (here)
    Me, my house is for sale and I am moving to a small rural farming town (hopefully).
    Best of luck with that transition Elaine! I'm already there for some time now, finally ready as can be, and in the the mean time life goes on as normal.
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    Hello Everyone:
    Have never considered moving since it's like "cows in a beautiful field of grass trying to break through the fence to get to the other side and the grass there is almost gone"

    I have thought about what if's and realized that that what it is...IF'S
    The powers that be are changing our perception of reality with all the rules, fear, more rules, continually adding more rules just to "not overwhelm the hospitals"
    WHAT A HUGE JOKE!!!
    In Alberta there are 26,500 nurses. 10,000 support I think they are called lpn's?? Correct me if I am wrong on the name.
    There are 10's of thousands of support staff.
    We haven't even counted the doctors AND there are 6 people in all of Alberta in icu. 123 in hospital with covid 19 and a few past on.

    HOW IS THIS OVERWELMING the hospitals?

    The minister of health for Alberta was on a talk show last week and was asked: "did the province save any money from hospitals not performing any surgeries etc.
    His response was NO not a dime saved and the hospitals have been basically closed for 5 months and more.

    In Alberta covid 19 is a complete SHAM!!

    Ask where I would move???

    I say stay where you know and stay where you are comfortable! The rest will play out around you as long as you don't buy into ALL THE FEAR MONGERING.

    Enjoy the rest of 2020.
    chancy

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    Like Marco Stanley Fogg, in Paul Auster's novel Moon Palace, I live alone frugally. But unlike him, I am not in a big city, but in a small rural town, where I bought, some ten years ago, a century-old house that still needs much, much love, and where, every morning, I can hear the birds, the cows and even the horses. I have a gravity water filter, plenty of rice and beans, as well as a good collection of sprouting seeds. And so, unlike Mr. Fogg, I at least do not have to sleep on the ground in a place like Central Park, or to eat from other people's garbage.

    If, this coming winter, I find myself without power and, even worse, with no access to the Internet, I have already decided what I will do. I will simply read book after book, perhaps even a thousand of them, before I need to throw them in the wood stove to keep myself warm.

    And if the proverbial crap hits the fan and I start to lose my mind, I will do like Joe Biden and hide in my basement, where my many boxes of unread books are already arranged into imaginary furniture.

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    Interestingly, there appears to be a housing boom in Scotland at the mo, with people from key city areas in England wanting to relocate to scottish rural areas now that they've discovered they can work from home. Many houses going for 5% - 20% over the asking price and if I recall currently no stamp duty on house purchases (until march 2021).

    Today in the news, group meetings or gatherings of more than 6 people are now to be deemed illegal.

    We're lucky and happy staying where we are up here North of the wall. the question I suspect for many will be in the detail of daily and monthly living costs. Don't forget - local community taxes and charges local governments (whichever country or county or province you're choosing) As many will be having and wanting to increase and charge local residents to help pay for the many changes, costs and financial burdens they've suffered during this year.

    Just ensure for wherever you choose to relocate to that you factor that into your living and running costs as many country governments are looking for ways to recoup the billions of £ and $ they've given in furloughed wages, loans and other aid during this year - and it will come from the taxpayer/general population and self employed to fund/repay.

    Stay or relocate? One thing's for sure - Life regardless of a pandemic is always full of difficult decisions and winners are those who make them But then again for many those major life decisions are not actually decisions but the realisation that the decision has already been made

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    I have 3 plans in Play.
    I live in Toronto, Ontario Canada. Generally we are very blessed in many ways as it relates to weather, food supplies, power, fuel and most disasters seem to miss us.

    My plans are as follows.
    1. Staying in Toronto. I will refit my apt with some solar panels. As I am South facing and have windows the length of the entire apt and also my West wall I should have more than enough to charge battery banks for Fridge, heating etc......and alt fuel heaters and stoves should be here this week. Water is not a concern here. I have that covered. even in Winter the sun blazes through my windows and I will also look for options for heating and cooking needs. I have a boat and she is almost refitted for durability and reliability. I am also going to make a tiny home or buy a used RV/Mobile Home and place it on my friends property about a 2 hour drive North of Toronto. Am also buying sprouts etc and have made friends with farmers for produce and meats. May consider hydroponic garden. I have long term foods and am adding preserves of meats, veg, and have ordered dehydrated storage foods.some for my apt, boat and "retreat". Will sort out fuel storage and other energy needs shortly.

    There is also a farm co-op staring that will allow housing to be built. It is bit of a technical and legal mess at the moment....it is just another back up plan. People here are a bit clueless but I and some other have noted that all of our major highways now have gates installed and Emergency Detour Routes. I expecting having an address registered out of the city to be a good idea as only area locals may be allowed out of the cities into the rural areas.

    2. I am looking at properties in Panama, Ecuador and Peru and but I expect logistically setting things up there may be a challenge but doable. Would also consider buying an energy independent ocean going sailboat and would be in warmer climates between S. America and the Caribbean.

    3. My other consideration is Portugal. Very very low cost of living. I am an EU national and passport holder so I have no travel restrictions and am allowed residency without any fuss. This holds true for all EU states. Again I would have to look at a lot of things to secure. and prepare for potential issues. Least of all is language...I plan on learning the language wherever I may settle.

    I look to the "event" being a grand solar minimum or something with similar effects on weather, food production, geological changes, social unrest and the like. Other than what I have posted above I am starting flying lessons soon and may do an advanced course in emergency first aid. Like an advanced Ambulance medic with expanded trauma care it is like being a field surgeon, trauma nurse, army field medic. They generally serve in remote locations in Canada that do not have surgeons or doctors so provide all care and meds until a patient can be flown to a hospital. Good skills that most communities would appreciate.

    I have been "aware" in some way of coming changes for over a decade so have learned what I can. I am not a fatalist. Be it asteroids, Solar minimum events, Earth changes I believe they are all cyclical...we have been through this before and we can get through it again. If you consider what I am doing..I am really just relearning the skills most of our great grandparents had. Self Sufficiency and expanded skills to help serve one's community.

    Seriously, I'd rather be on my boat than stuck in some bunker...all in all I am almost done and have met great people, learned new skills and am having fun!

    Oh and to close, I am selling my real estate this month and clearing out any debts I have.

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    Options in densely populated England with overpriced housing are few if you have limited means; round here is gently undulating landscape so there are no hills to run to. I'm fortunate to live in a village so it's very peaceful, no one here really went into a panic about the scamdemic and there is a great sense of community. I've got supplies to last until the end of the year and I'm getting plenty of water as I'm sure that panic buying will happen again soon, plus butane for my camping stove if the power goes off.

    All that is prep for an event of human construction but if it's an event from nature or space, I'll take what comes. As my parents managed through the last war - and my grandparents through both wars - with courage and fortitude, I hope that I can too. As a great comment on the 'do we have a soul' thread said, we're souls in a meat suit.

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    Theyíre interesting questions, Bill!. If I am to be honest about what I will do, in circumstances which compel one to flee, desert, or relocate due to impending events Ė I think this will very much depend on the character of what is actually happening at a particular point in time. I have no hesitation to immediately leave and go where it is appropriate, but also I will give some time, if that is warranted, to contemplate the best course of action; sometimes being present at the heart of the lionís den can actually be very interesting, possibly unwise to some, but I came here to be a witness and partake and that is what I am going to do if I can. I am fully aware my body will probably be indicating quite strongly that I could be in danger in such circumstances, but the body is an animal with an intricate and comprehensive seniority system, thatís what it does, it identifies dangers and threats and that is ok and being aware of that helps to sustain one those circumstances.
    This is the way I tend to comprehend my reality here, the human sensitivities then the higher awareness, in between those are many other considerations too, but to be human in impending and urgent world events can be challenging, worrying, and confusing. It is clear to me from beyond my human self that what is happening is really very exciting and provides a great learning opportunityóthat sounds very new ageist, but there really is truth to it, I am enjoying these times, they are tough and it is important to be a human participant and take part.

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    The best preparation is a clear head and a peaceful heart. Simple- not easy.

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    Hi Bill,
    we met 11 years ago, in 2009 at the Brussel conference.
    On that time I shared with you my knowledge of things to come and how the so-called 'elite', the 'ET' and the '2012' process (yes, it's a process not an event) were all inter-related. After publishing my book Alien Apocalypse (not available in english), in 2013 I tried to participate to this forum, elaborating some of the contents.

    More recently, I returned here to launch another warning: Tom DeLonge and TTSA are declared ambassadors of the MIC, working to expose the impact of Extra-Dimensional Materialized Entities (EME) on our life, but with the intent to establish a dictatorship to protect us from them.

    This knowledge has had an impact on myself and my family.
    We relocated in rural Canada, changing continent and lifestyle, 10 years ago. We have invested the last 10 years to become as resilient as possible. That include 100% production of energy, food, water, security and much more.

    and yes, we also take care of our 'spirituality', in a way that is aligned to real esoteric knowledge (as opposite to 'new-ageism'). the one I was trained when I was a young boy.

    Clearly that had an impact on my family and social life. My wife is an exceptional woman, that has supported the long years of sacrifices to realize what we have realized.
    My children have become adult with the knowledge of horrible things to come, and the need to be prepared for it.

    In the last 20 years, I have meet many people that were 'interested' to those topic, however only a little minority were ready to do anything. And when confronted with the harsh reality of what is necessary they inevitably decided to go back to the 'social accepted hell' that is normal life.

    in conclusion my experience is that:
    1. real relocation requires YEARS and a great amount of resources (inner fortitude, not money, being one that most lack of)
    2. however it's possible to do it
    3. My biggest failure is trying to establish a real community/collaboration spirit. Probably I'm not alone. If I'm not mistaken the original scope of this forum was to create communities
    While that can depend on specific factors, probably the socialization to individualism is the main one, and without any major event that would delete the programming, opening the spirit for new societal forms.

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