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    Hi Bill,
    we met 11 years ago, in 2009 at the Brussel conference.
    On that time I shared with you my knowledge of things to come and how the so-called 'elite', the 'ET' and the '2012' process (yes, it's a process not an event) were all inter-related. After publishing my book Alien Apocalypse (not available in english), in 2013 I tried to participate to this forum, elaborating some of the contents.

    More recently, I returned here to launch another warning: Tom DeLonge and TTSA are declared ambassadors of the MIC, working to expose the impact of Extra-Dimensional Materialized Entities (EME) on our life, but with the intent to establish a dictatorship to protect us from them.

    This knowledge has had an impact on myself and my family.
    We relocated in rural Canada, changing continent and lifestyle, 10 years ago. We have invested the last 10 years to become as resilient as possible. That include 100% production of energy, food, water, security and much more.

    and yes, we also take care of our 'spirituality', in a way that is aligned to real esoteric knowledge (as opposite to 'new-ageism'). the one I was trained when I was a young boy.

    Clearly that had an impact on my family and social life. My wife is an exceptional woman, that has supported the long years of sacrifices to realize what we have realized.
    My children have become adult with the knowledge of horrible things to come, and the need to be prepared for it.

    In the last 20 years, I have meet many people that were 'interested' to those topic, however only a little minority were ready to do anything. And when confronted with the harsh reality of what is necessary they inevitably decided to go back to the 'social accepted hell' that is normal life.

    in conclusion my experience is that:
    1. real relocation requires YEARS and a great amount of resources (inner fortitude, not money, being one that most lack of)
    2. however it's possible to do it
    3. My biggest failure is trying to establish a real community/collaboration spirit. Probably I'm not alone. If I'm not mistaken the original scope of this forum was to create communities
    While that can depend on specific factors, probably the socialization to individualism is the main one, and without any major event that would delete the programming, opening the spirit for new societal forms.
    (This reply of mine is off-topic on this excellent thread, in which I want to encourage everyone to share their thoughts, experiences and plans, whatever they may be.)

    c0rv0, yes, of course, I remember you very very well, and still have the photos you shared with me.

    Listen up, folks, and trust me: we should all pay attention to whatever c0rv0 shares with us. He knows a lot about a lot of stuff.

    Might you start a new devoted thread about all this, summarizing your own knowledge and analysis all in one place, maybe (if you need to be low key) in the members-only part of the forum? Or we can even firewall it a stage beyond that, and create a totally private invitation-only section.

    As you well know, there's a great deal of anxiety and confusion flying around at the moment, and what you know and understand might help a lot of people if can be easily laid out. (Ha! Maybe not so easy. But you'll know what I mean.)

    My very best to you and your family, as always. I'm very delighted indeed to see your post here.


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    ...

    ... the new gold rush...

    "Demand Is Insane": NYC moving companies turn people away, suburban & rural housing snagged up, as big city COVID-exodus accelerates

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    © Getty

    The pandemic-induced summer of escape from New York continues at a moment violent crime is on the rise, restaurant and public venue closures make the city less appealing, public transit is reeling in debt, and remote working set-ups are giving those with means greater mobility.

    More worrisome trends... or rather signs of the times signalling that for many the gentrified Big Apple has, as one family recently put it, reached its "expiration date". Two separate NY Times reports on Sunday detailed that moving companies are so busy they're in an unprecedented situation of having to turn people away, while simultaneously the suburbs are witnessing an explosion in demand "unlike any in recent memory".

    And then there's fresh data showing that during the pandemic Americans are fast getting the hell out of the more expensive "real estate meccas" of New York and New Jersey.

    First, New York City movers are reporting a rush of customers so high it feels like "move out day on a college campus":
    According to FlatRate Moving, the number of moves it has done has increased more than 46 percent between March 15 and August 15, compared with the same period last year. The number of those moving outside of New York City is up 50 percent — including a nearly 232 percent increase to Dutchess County and 116 percent increase to Ulster County in the Hudson Valley.
    "The first day we could move, we left," a dentist was cited as saying of the moment movers were declared an "essential service" by Gov. Cuomo late March. Her family moved to Pennsylvania where they had relatives.

    And second, the Times details the unprecedented boom in the suburban real estate as an increasingly online workforce is fed up with closures in the city, losing its appeal and vibrancy.



    © National trends via Bloomberg

    July alone witnessed a whopping 44% increase in home sales among suburban counties near NYC compared to the same month last year, as the report details:
    Over three days in late July, a three-bedroom house in East Orange, N.J., was listed for sale for $285,000, had 97 showings, received 24 offers and went under contract for 21 percent over that price.

    On Long Island, six people made offers on a $499,000 house in Valley Stream without seeing it in person after it was shown on a Facebook Live video. In the Hudson Valley, a nearly three-acre property with a pool listed for $985,000 received four all-cash bids within a day of having 14 showings.

    Since the pandemic began, the suburbs around New York City, from New Jersey to Westchester County to Connecticut to Long Island, have been experiencing enormous demand for homes of all prices, a surge that is unlike any in recent memory, according to officials, real estate agents and residents.
    They're not just fleeing for the suburbs or upstate, but also to the significantly cheaper and lower cost of living areas of the country like Texas, Florida, South Carolina, and Oregon, or to rural areas.

    COVID-19 is fast reviving American mobility on scales reminiscent of the mid-20th century. Bloomberg describes separately that "Far more people moved to Vermont, Idaho, Oregon and South Carolina than left during the pandemic, according to data provided to Bloomberg News by United Van Lines."

    Two charts via Bloomberg:





    "On the other hand, the reverse was true for New York and New Jersey, which saw residents moving to Florida, Texas and other Sunbelt states between March and July," the report finds.

    General fear of living in densely populated areas, better enterprise video communications platforms making possible fully remote workplaces which in some cases are 'canceling' the traditional office space altogether, and a lack of nightlife or entertainment allure of big cities is driving the exodus.

    In addition to the aforementioned states, "Illinois, Connecticut and California, three other states with big urban populations, were also among those losing out during the pandemic," according to United Van Lines data.

    SOTT Comment: The Covid fiasco plus riots in the streets have lead many to conclude what they should have a long time ago - highly populated urban centers are not the places to be when modern civilization is taking a nosedive.




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    And now part 2 to my previous post, which is all true (except perhaps the silly idea of burning my books to keep myself warm!) and which I meant as a bittersweet description of my current location and reality.

    I have actually been thinking of relocating for a couple of years already. Dramatic scenarios like war, supply chain disruption and civil unrest are not what worry me, but the recent heavy-handed impositions by the "health" authorities have reinforced my wish to be elsewhere, to be in a different system, to be in a better place...

    Ironically, where I live has all the potential of being idyllic. But despite the beautiful rolling hills and the clean water, despite the overall impression of peace, something is sorely missing: a sense of community and of camaraderie. Like in most of the big cities, where close neighbors often don't know or even talk to each other, most people in my rural area are very self-centered — something that has only gotten worse with the imposed social-distancing and mask-wearing in all public places (not to mention the attempt by the idiotic bureaucrats to make it mandatory within our own homes). In the event of a real crisis, however, I suppose that the sense of community would become alive, as it usually does...

    In any case, here are the two main reasons why I will not try to relocate, for the foreseeable future:
    1. the lack of financial means (a factor that is inescapable, no matter how idealist one is)
    2. the fact that my 91-year-old mom requires daily attention (and love) from me, even though she now resides, 80 miles away, in a government-run senior care facility (I go and visit her frequently and I still spend many hours a day creating or putting together beautiful musical videos, that constitute the entirety of what plays on her TV, from morning to night)
    I wrote "for the foreseeable future", but maybe not, because none of those two reasons are permanent realities, especially the second one. So perhaps I will follow my dream and end up relocating one of these days... after the coming storm.

    In the meantime, I still have many boxes of unread books to unpack and to go through!

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Might you start a new devoted thread about all this, summarizing your own knowledge and analysis all in one place, maybe (if you need to be low key) in the members-only part of the forum? Or we can even firewall it a stage beyond that, and create a totally private invitation-only section.

    As you well know, there's a great deal of anxiety and confusion flying around at the moment, and what you know and understand might help a lot of people if can be easily laid out. (Ha! Maybe not so easy. But you'll know what I mean.)

    My very best to you and your family, as always. I'm very delighted indeed to see your post here.

    sent a PM
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 9th September 2020 at 16:11. Reason: fixed quote formatting

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    A quote from my son: "The grass is just as green (or brown) on the other side of the fence."

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    I am hoping that all this we are experiencing is somewhat a hologram or an illusion,

    I am very tired,

    I don't mind popping off in the first lot of leavers from this planet when TSHTF and never hopefully return.

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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    I am hoping that all this we are experiencing is somewhat a hologram or an illusion,
    stealing emotional energy requires a very good lie (easiest) or very impactful situation (hardest & least reaching in comparison).............................

    so... yeah... my money is on 90% illusion
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
    Where are you?

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    A new devoted thread in the members-only sections, seems an excellent idea to me. As I have made a similar step as c0rv0, 9 years ago, I guess that I should be able to contribute to such a thread

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    posted on the wrong thread, sorry
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    Quote Posted by Craig (here)
    I am hoping that all this we are experiencing is somewhat a hologram or an illusion,

    I am very tired,

    I don't mind popping off in the first lot of leavers from this planet when TSHTF and never hopefully return.
    Some talk of this place as the illusion and the greater part of us is already at home. Where ever home is for you. They surmise that ”this event” has already happened and we’re here living it out until each of us is ready to awaken to our true selves, our true homes.

    Some have chosen to stay behind to help with this transition. Though they may not be cognizant of it as yet. And the others that’ve passed in recent times have gone on ahead to help those that awaken in that split second and leap from here to home.

    This illusionary matrix has about reached it’s sell-buy-date. The reason for the time differential is because it’s taking longer for some to awaken from their stupor. It’s not their fault. We’ve been heavily indoctrinated for eons and filled with toxins and poisons.

    This is the last stop for those without light/soul/spirit. They will be no more because of their arrogance. They’re working over time to create as much havoc as they can to keep the levels of conscious awareness of the masses low enough for them to control this illusionary hole for as long as they can. Which is why we see hell breaking loose across the world. The tricksters need us to look outward rather than within. But the winds of change have served us well. “Wakey, wakey. Time to go home. Godspeed...”

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    I want to relocate to wherever I feel the best.
    Lots of things to consider:
    Did I volunteer to be here to help?
    Whatever the reason to be here may be, am I doing a good job?
    If I could return home to pure positive energy would I feel bad because I left something important unfinished?

    It all has influence on how I feel.

    Perhaps there are many timelines, realities, universes and illusions to choose from. And they all feel real.

    Inner being where are you? I want clear dialog.

    I suspect:

    We all are extensions of Source energy on Prime Creators eternal journey of creation and Self discovery.

    Each of us is an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Who's relocating right now? Where to, and why?

    Who would like to, but figure they just can't?

    Who's hunkering down till the storm passes? What form is that taking?

    What would have to happen, or be imminent, for you to change a strategy of staying put, and just force an emergency move elsewhere? (And if so, where?)

    Is anyone having issues where their spouse or partner isn't seeing things the same way as them — whatever that may be?


    I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia. The "why" part would be because since early this spring I had a strong feeling in my gut instinct that the last quarter of this year something disruptive is coming, without any further details, which was propped up by me hearing of other people sharing their instinctual feelings as well. I don't have a lot of fear and would probably normally disregard such ideas as just my ego getting a bit carried away, but this time it seems different.

    But the big kicker for me was that a whole slew of things happened (most of them 'negative' like losing my job of 18 years in Calgary) to all line up in perfect timing for this to be possible, even probable (in case I wasn't getting the message or something) for me. I didn't even plan it -- it planned my participation.

    When I arrive, I do plan on trying to prepare a bit to live "off grid" for a bit if the need arises, ensure I have good fishing gear, stock up on water (or see if I can run the well pump off a generator), gasoline, non-perishable foods, etc. I don't want to plan too much because planning too far ahead denies flexibility and for whatever is coming that may be needed.

    I am spiritually practicing manifestation, being grounded, and centered, loving, and really trying to learn to listen my instincts clearly and stop second guessing them.

    Getting to know the community, who has what resources / skills, etc and find like minded people in the area so as to start rebuilding needed systems immediately after this potential disruption (if it comes to pass - of which I am not 100% sure anymore)


    My ex doesn't understand my plan at all, and is upset with me. I asked if her and the kids would consider trying to find a place out there, and she basically said there's no chance in hell.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    The universe is elastic to intent. Make your stand wherever you are and you will live as long as you are meant to.

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    The universe is elastic to intent. Make your stand wherever you are and you will live as long as you are meant to.
    That is what I intend to do, stay where I am, come what may. I have put back extra food, also did some veggie canning this season, I live outside of a small town, and my back yard is nearly an acre should my family and myself need to plow it up and grow food, already have seeds on hand, but I do these things anyway to a smaller extent, I live in a mountain area, so my roots are here, therefore I stand firm.

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    Quote Posted by Heartsong (here)
    A quote from my son: "The grass is just as green (or brown) on the other side of the fence."
    Well, speaking from practical experience, it is a two-way process. The grass is greener on the other side of the fence because it has not yet been grazed. When the horse is moved there, the grass is browner on the other side of the fence because it has eaten all the green stuff. So you have a field where a horse is growing and the grass is disappearing and another field where the grass is growing and the horse is absent. It’s not a matter of choosing between them, they form a single system. While today’s meal is already here, the horse knows where its next meal is coming from.


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    I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia.
    I know BC quite well. Out of pure interest, where are you planning to go?

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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

    I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia.
    I know BC quite well. Out of pure interest, where are you planning to go?
    Near a small town called 100 Mile House. Its about a 2 hour drive NW of Kamloops.
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    I want to relocate to wherever I feel the best.
    Lots of things to consider:
    Did I volunteer to be here to help?
    Whatever the reason to be here may be, am I doing a good job?
    If I could return home to pure positive energy would I feel bad because I left something important unfinished?

    It all has influence on how I feel.

    Perhaps there are many timelines, realities, universes and illusions to choose from. And they all feel real.

    Inner being where are you? I want clear dialog.

    I suspect:

    We all are extensions of Source energy on Prime Creators eternal journey of creation and Self discovery.

    Each of us is an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.
    Well said Ron

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    Wasn't sure whether or not to place this in the What's the 2020 October Surprise thread and decided to put it here:

    Initially I had booked a flight for short holidays in Switzerland end of April this year and then Corona came and my flight was cancelled.

    With my country's politicians being 100% dedicated to abide by the mask and distancing meme I considered more and more to emigrate and move to Switzerland.
    So - I re-booked my flight soon after to beginning October.

    Recently my return flight was cancelled but was able to re-book it for one day earlier.
    My plan is to check for workplace and living while there - basically doing some prep-work.

    Now I wonder if it's coincidence that my Switzerland trip happens to be beginning October.
    Will I by sheer luck escape some dramatic event?

    Yesterday here in Germany was some country-wide siren test (which flubbed mostly).
    This test was a supposedly preventive measure by our government in case of floods, or other natural disasters.
    To my mind came last years predictions by wnlight.
    Maybe he was right after all?

    If nothing happens in October, I will be travelling back to Germany and plan my future. Let's see.
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

    I'm getting out of the city and heading for a rural area in the interior of British Columbia.
    I know BC quite well. Out of pure interest, where are you planning to go?
    Near a small town called 100 Mile House. Its about a 2 hour drive NW of Kamloops.
    Thanks, been there! Gorgeous place, surrounded by hundreds of lakes and a huge abundance of wildlife.

    Something that did occur to me when posing the questions for the thread was, OMG, I do hope people making fairly major life decisions (like relocating!) aren't doing so JUST because of information, thoughts and feelings shared on Avalon. That feels like quite a responsibility.

    Maybe all those of us who are concerned about the near future are totally wrong. But it's interesting that many other smart and aware people out there are worried as well, urging proactive safeguards — even Chris Martenson in the final video of his impressive 9-month Covid series from last night, which I'll comment on separately.


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