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    Mod note from Bill: I copied this here, to start a new thread, from the Internet Censorship thread.

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    Here in Thailand for those who doesn't know yet, the people are trying to remove the actual government (again), there is protests in Bangkok almost everyday now, things are getting hot and the government seems to be on the lose side of things, trying to boycott access to more than 300.000 websites and all the major social networks and communication Apps like Telegram (the favorite one used by the protesters).

    I remember when the last big protest took place, they censored youtube and facebook, it was 2010 and the protests dragged for months and the troops stormed them killing almost a hundred!

    In 2014 the army sized power of the country and remain until nowadays, the protesters are forcing the junta out of the government including the actual Prime minister (Ex. Army General).

    Now they are calling for reform of the Monarchy as well, which is a huge issue in this country due to the very hardcore and draconian laws in place.

    The government declared the state of emergency in Bangkok and things just barely start to get hot, I hope it end up well because the last time it was ugly, the Prime Minister said publicly on TeeVee he will NOT resign, doesn't matter what.

    In the meantime the use of Tor network and Vpn are rising world wide including Thailand, after they started to censor websites and Apps via local ISP, people start using different approaches in order to keep up to date (Tinder App is one example), the point is: they can't boycott an unhappy mass of people!

    Edit: I will post more about the protests against government and monarchy, the local papers are useless to get the facts straight, one TV channel that was reporting the truth was censored, for those willing to check what is going on here, the guardian dot com is doing it all right.
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    This website has lots of information about the Thai politics https://voicetv.co.th/ but it is all in Thai languague.

    Remarks: This website is partly owned by Thaksin’s family, Thaksin is accused of all imaginable issues/frauds you can imagine in Thailand. He is exiled in Dubai for more or less a decade now.
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    You have to take Cartalucci with a pic of salt but this article points out who is behind the protests in Thailand. It looks like it is another 'color revolution'...
    https://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2...hong-kong.html

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    Quote Posted by George (here)
    You have to take Cartalucci with a pic of salt but this article points out who is behind the protests in Thailand. It looks like it is another 'color revolution'...
    https://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2...hong-kong.html
    I am not saying Washington does not have their fingers here, they always have and not only them... Cia was very active years ago, not so sure nowadays, but the Thai people are very unhappy with the junta for years now, they were going to explode in protests anyway, they want Thailand to become a Republic, they want the country draw a new constitution, they want democracy at all costs, I have been talking with young people here, they do not believe in the current system, it is becoming beyond messy, and to make things even worse, we have the current scamdemic in place.

    From the blog article
    "Links have grown between protesters in Thailand and Hong Kong in a movement called the "Milk Tea Alliance", referring to drinks popular in both places. Seen as advocating for democracy, the movement's netizens in Hong Kong, Thailand and Taiwan have unleashed a wave of online criticism of China."

    For what I know the fight for democracy is the main thing going on, online I checked there is little protests from the Thai people against China, also does not feel it is about China. I found photos of people destroying royal images in public places, which is a huge offense and punished with fines and jail time. My guess is: a lot of unhappy groups will take advantage of the current situation, in the end it is all a huge mess.

    Thailand is in bed with communist Chinese, the "first batch" of tourists to be allowed in country were the Chinese from Beijing (tourist and investors), actually they are back and forth with their jets and I doubt there is any restriction for them.

    Right now I heard there were protests outside Bangkok, other provinces for those who couldn't make to Bangkok, in Hua Hin right in front of the Royal residence, Nakhon Sawan and Tak provinces in the downtown, people are posting photos and videos on twitter, Telegram and tinder!

    There is also a group of people supporting the monarchy and they are identified by yellow shirts, and yes another colorful revolution!

    They are saying the protests won't stop until the PM resign, I am not really surprised with people's demands, this is not new for Thailand, hope it all end up peaceful this time.

    I would like to add some more:
    If the article is correct, people are fighting for a stupid cause! If (big if here) it is engineered by US, SEA will be probably trashed once again.

    Also there is a huge interest from China in build the Thai Canal, despite the project is more than a hundred years old, it was approved by Bangkok to start draw the plans (not the construction), China would benefit big time from it, also it is part of their maritime silk road plans.

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    As I understand it the current King's father was much admired and even revered by many Thai people. The son is the antithesis of his father, an easilly corruptible playboy and embezzler. The student protests are a yearly occurence around October following the deaths (around 70 students?) in 2006? connected with the yellow shirts and red shirts fighting and Thaksins downfall and subsequent departure from Thailand.

    I have to say destroying Royal images would have been absolute sacrilege when I lived there, 2000 - 2005. The percentage of people now upset with it will be in a considerable minority.

    Edit: Just to add, the political spiders of the west will always be quick to capatilise on any unrest if it means they can get more control, however slender, over a foreign country. Yes, they've been known to manufacture the turmoil but in this instance they are merely capitalising on a genuine wave of unrest.

    2nd edit: To add, you covered the initial problem far more accurately than my memory afforded in your opening post. it was 2010 and the protests dragged for months and the troops stormed them killing almost a hundred!

    3rd Edit: Will they never end? My wife just reminded me that this is a cyclical problem for Thailand, many times the military take over, many time Prime Ministers are disgraced but hold onto power as long as possible.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanom_Kittikachorn

    Quote Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn (Thai: ถนอม กิตติขจร, Thai pronunciation: [tʰà.nɔ̌ːm kìt.tì.kʰa.t͡ɕɔ̌ːn]; 11 August 1911 – 16 June 2004) was a Thai military dictator. A staunch anti-communist, Thanom oversaw a decade of military rule in Thailand from 1963 to 1973, during which he staged a self-coup, until public protests which exploded into violence forced him to step down. His return from exile in 1976 sparked protests which led to a massacre of demonstrators, followed by a military coup.
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    Quote Posted by Ewan (here)
    As I understand it the current King's father was much admired and even revered by many Thai people. The son is the antithesis of his father, an easilly corruptible playboy and embezzler. The student protests are a yearly occurence around October following the deaths (around 70 students?) in 2006? connected with the yellow shirts and red shirts fighting and Thaksins downfall and subsequent departure from Thailand.

    I have to say destroying Royal images would have been absolute sacrilege when I lived there, 2000 - 2005. The percentage of people now upset with it will be in a considerable minority.

    Edit: Just to add, the political spiders of the west will always be quick to capatilise on any unrest if it means they can get more control, however slender, over a foreign country. Yes, they've been known to manufacture the turmoil but in this instance they are merely capitalising on a genuine wave of unrest.

    2nd edit: To add, you covered the initial problem far more accurately than my memory afforded in your opening post. it was 2010 and the protests dragged for months and the troops stormed them killing almost a hundred!

    3rd Edit: Will they never end? My wife just reminded me that this is a cyclical problem for Thailand, many times the military take over, many time Prime Ministers are disgraced but hold onto power as long as possible.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanom_Kittikachorn

    Quote Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn (Thai: ถนอม กิตติขจร, Thai pronunciation: [tʰà.nɔ̌ːm kìt.tì.kʰa.t͡ɕɔ̌ːn]; 11 August 1911 – 16 June 2004) was a Thai military dictator. A staunch anti-communist, Thanom oversaw a decade of military rule in Thailand from 1963 to 1973, during which he staged a self-coup, until public protests which exploded into violence forced him to step down. His return from exile in 1976 sparked protests which led to a massacre of demonstrators, followed by a military coup.
    You are correct about the HM King Bhumibol, he was a hero for Thai people, beloved by many, in my understand he was a very good king for the country, helping people mainly, but you know there is people don't see that way, Thaksin was one of these people, he not only was involved in public fraud but also disrespected his Majesty the King and was expelled from the country, but I am no expert in Thai politics and there is always something else going on.

    Thailand has had 13 or 14 successful coups and many failed attempts, starting in 1932 (after the great depression, Siam was already struggling before that) when they change from old Siam to actual Kingdom of Thailand, also known as Siamese Revolution (Siamese coup d'état of 1932) and it was a mark in history of modern Thailand ending the 800 years of absolute monarchy and since then it became a constitutional monarchy system and that is when the fight for democracy really start in Thailand with ideals of western democracy, nationalism, and communism.

    Answering you question: I don't think so it will end, maybe one day when they get tired, Thailand has always been that way, your wife knows what she is saying, my wife said another day "Thailand again in the headlines" ahahaha, even before 1932 Thailand had many troubles, Thai history is marked with blood of the courageous people that fought to protect their land.

    Thailand has always been reluctantly influenced by the western, today I heard that the protesters are divided now perhaps because of the "US magic hand", also it could just be another "thainess" thing, In order to know more will be necessary some deep analysis on the subject (crack the shell), the internal media is pro-government (of course), and the alt media has their own theories but not really convincing facts and some of them are very aggressive in their ideals, the exiled ones also got their own points, for now I will keep with the timeline of political turmoil in this country because it says a lot for itself.

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    Was digging a little more and found out that the coup of 1976 (aka students massacre) was backed by CIA and it last less than a year and all efforts of democracy lost, they started from scratch again in 1977 which was another coup year, but then apparently there was no coup until 1991 when what they called "black may" happened, it was just another bloody coup where soldiers fired against civilians. In 2006 Thaksin went abroad in some UN meeting and the military used the chance to overthrew the government, another coup! This coup is responsible for all the others that follow until now.
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    An amusing aside:

    Turmoil in Thailand - Winter is coming.

    A Thai news channel this morning had a piece about winter coming early to the north.



    Here you can see the poor primary school children huddled around a clay burner for warmth. The reported temperature according to newsreader.
    15 deg C


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    Yes, the temperature dropped during the raining, here where I am it reached about 20 C which is quite good, generally it is something between 33 and 36 C, sometimes it get really hot with no wind, feels like an oven, thanks for sharing it, the kids seems to be enjoying

    To complement this thread, besides the removal of the PM here are the demands (not the complete list):

    - remove the monarch's legal immunity
    - remove lese-majeste law
    - cut off monarch funds, need transparency in all economic transactions.
    - no political opinions from any member of the royal family.
    - suspend all monarch propaganda
    - investigate properly the disappearance of various critics of the monarchy (this one is creepy!)
    - prohibit a monarch to support a coup d'etat

    The last time it happen was in the 30's when the system changed from absolute monarchy to constitutional monarchy, but the claims are, it still being some sort of absolute monarchy, I would say that more than 50% of the population are supporting the protests, It gained force when other groups from the last coups start to joining.. all I can say, it is growing.

    I heard they dropped the emergency decree last night, it was put in place only because the HM the king was in Bangkok and traveling inside the capital and it was for his protection, but anyway nobody actually obeyed, the protesters still there with or without emergency decree in place and there is no signal it will stop anytime soon. The protesters leaders are trying to make a deal where PM resign on Sunday in national television and then the protests will stop, otherwise the mess still going on.

    Let's see what will happen on Sunday.
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    I got some updates about the situation, and the deadline for the PM resign was moved, now it is today at 10pm, they said won't stop until they get what they want.
    Also there is a growing support for the monarchy, what they call yellow shirts, there were demonstrations yesterday and today, which is not clear if they also support the PM or not..
    This weekend will not rain then is expected a great numbers on the street and not only in Bangkok but country wide.

    This post came up hours ago, I do not know much about this news outlet, but seems like they are impartial.
    https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/prot...-doesnt-resign

    From US embassy in Bangkok (outdate)
    https://th.usembassy.gov/demonstrati...er-17-18-2020/

    There were no reports from Russian and UK embassies in Thailand.
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    The pro-democracy / anti-junta demonstrations won't go anywhere Imo. It will probably end in a blood bath as usual. Had the king been in the motorcade blocked by protesters at the government house a few days ago the blood bath would already have happened.

    The current protest have an overwhelming number a very young participants (High school, Uni students...)with no experience at civil disobedience as soon as the M-16 will be in actions most of them will quietly go home (as most people would..including myself) The security forces will then be left with a few hundreds hardened protestors to deal with and they know exactly how to do this.

    Under normal circumstances (millions of foreign tourists, all westerns foreign ministries, ambassadors... pressuring Thailand) the military rulers think nothing of murdering their own citizens to keep their power so I believe they fully understand t with Covid, worldwide economic collapse looming, the American election....nobody will really care or intervene if a few dozen protestors are murdered. There will be official condemnations but the Thai elite couldn’t care less.

    I do believe Prayut will have to go soon and there will be another coup with an even more fascistic Junta in power.

    I fully respect the protest movement especially since the participants understand that sooner or later the army will step in to squash them down violently. A few years ago the millions of red shirts had a good shot at changing things but it all ended in blood and tears. The current demonstrations simply do not have the numbers (Most of my Thai friends / family are sympathetic to the movement but none of them are really willing to actively participate as most people are dealing with the terrible economic consequences of the Covid shutdown)

    Nothing short of a full blown civil war would remove the current elite. I just don’t see it happening now. Let’s get ready for another coup…Suthep on the street with his yellow goons…. I can already hear the tanks….Time will tell.

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    The PM ignored the demands and the there is more protests scheduled for today and tomorrow, time is ticking now.
    I have two in-laws in the service here, and they were told to stand-by because they could be deployed in their provinces, one of them was coming to visit us and now he can't at least he was told to remain in the military quarters until OCT 31st.

    There is a mega thread on reddit about the on going situation, lots of links to twiiter and other social medias, if you are interested you should check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/co...read/?sort=new

    There is protests happening in Indonesia, The Phillipines and Laos as well, seems like the movement is gaining force throughout South Aast Asia.
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    An interesting article from one of my favorite Thai news source, offering an insightful view of the current situation in Thailand.


    ANALYSIS: STUDENT-PROTESTERS AIM FOR AMBITIOUS POLITICAL CHANGE:


    https://www.khaosodenglish.com/polit...y6ZSJnDsaMFijk

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    This is one good theory of what possibly is going on in South East Asia and .. elsewhere in the world right now.



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    Today was checking the news over here and one interesting thing is quite a few alt news saying the same thing thing "US funded Thai protests" but their references are no good since they heavily rely on thai mainstream media, it is almost an orchestrated move.

    The protests slowed down for the week, but the the Royalist movement grew in numbers, there was quite a lot of people on the streets in order to support the monarchy, and the HM the King was there in person with the public, it was a quite interesting move I think.

    Let's see what will happen in the next couple of weeks, by now Chinese Embassy are pissed with Thai politicians because they met with Hong Kong protesters, there is more influential people getting into the game and I do not know if they have close ties with US or not.

    Ref.: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1769959/

    More here https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/polit...biennale-stirs
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    Hi,

    they are all back this week, new developments in front of the Thai parliament, pro democracy protester against royalists, violence was observed and more than 40 injured hushed to hospital, people are saying there were shots and it didn't came from the police, even though the police said they are willing to use rubber bullets to disperse the crowd if necessary.
    A few politicians had to be evacuated through the back door and leave the place by boat because the crowd blocked the main entrance of the parliament.

    News are in the front page of Nikkei Asia and other news outlets.
    https://asia.nikkei.com

    Another interesting news from months ago, was about a Buddhist monk, he had to leave country, due to a post on Facebook related to amendments made by the Monarchy on issues of he Buddhist Sangha (it wasn't political), now even Monks are targeted when expressing themselves and in fact Monks are prohibited from participating in the political protests, it include express their opinions.

    But then .. what the heck a monk is doing on Facebook..? doesn't seem right, anyway modern times!

    Another day in Thailand! Hope things get better here.
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