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    Although I see no reason why it should be, this thread may wind up being one of the all time controversials. Yes, I'm still going to try and gain some sort of answer on this. If it's seen as divisive, then so be it.

    The premise is simple. In this current hyper politicized climate, where not even day to day issues affecting the average US citizen really matter any more, it appears both sides feel fully justified in the idea of not accepting the final presidential election results, if the opposing candidate wins. I would ask Biden supporters the same question, but there are none here, so that's a non starter.

    Sooooooo, I'll ask the Trump supporters in lieu of asking no one at all. It looks pretty darn clear by this point, that general sentiment is the only way the pres can lose, is by widespread voter fraud.

    Bottom line: if a loss does occur, thus creating certainty that truth, justice, and the American way have been blatantly subverted, what, if anything, are you going to do about it?
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    it appears both sides feel fully justified in the idea of not accepting the final presidential election results, if the opposing candidate wins.
    Why do you feel that way? this seems to be not really a heavily pushed narrative (I think both sides see how it could backfire). Granted I don't watch more than clips of MSM, but it seems like this hasn't even been in the narrative lately....

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    Bottom line: if a loss does occur, thus creating certainty that truth, justice, and the American way have been blatantly subverted, what, if anything, are you going to do about it?
    drink beer and make memes (ok, i'll probably do that regardless), I still agree with me from earlier today:

    I don't foresee a situation like this happening (unrest due to election results), this is just more fear porn pushed by MSM (again, one side of the duality coin, from what I can see) to try and force an outcome.


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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)

    The premise is simple. In this current hyper politicized climate, where not even day to day issues affecting the average US citizen really matter any more, it appears both sides...
    I am not so sure that the environment is hyper-politicized, the media has certainly drawn the boundaries along those lines and people seem to accept that premise but as a Trump supporter, I see it more along the lines of accepting or rejecting corruption in society. Yes, it has been corrupt for a long time but it is now much more apparent to the average citizen regardless of their political affiliation.

    Democrats and Republicans are both responsible for endless wars, bad trade deals, a treaty that provides a path to nuclear weapons in the middle east, illegal immigration, racial injustices, abortion, climate alliances that stand no chance of success and a host of other problems mostly caused by these same politicians.

    So I see it as millions that are rejecting politics, they are saying no more Bush's, Obama's, Clinton's, Biden's and no more business as usual. On the other hand, there are those that are resistant to change and millions that have bought into the mainstream media negative narrative about Trump. So their answer is to put a 47-year career politician back into office that has been at the epicentre of all the things that most Americans have come to despise. See my post on Glen's thread..Why Hasn't More Been Done?

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    Sooooooo, I'll ask the Trump supporters in lieu of asking no one at all. It looks pretty darn clear by this point, that general sentiment is the only way the pres can lose, is by widespread voter fraud.

    Bottom line: if a loss does occur, thus creating certainty that truth, justice, and the American way have been blatantly subverted, what, if anything, are you going to do about it?
    The answer to your question is nothing at all because for many Trump supporters it is not about politics it is about much more. The vast majority of Trump supporters will search for another way to bring about better lives for all Americans regardless of ethnicity, skin color, age, sexual preference or economic status. The majority of Trump supporters are not about rioting, looting or crime, just the opposite. Of course there will be those on the fringe that may go off the rails but that is not what a Trump supporter is all about, regardless of what the media tells you.

    That said if the election has millions of provable fraudulent votes counted and the election is assigned to either candidate I think we can expect some serious civil unrest.

    This question should really be put to Biden supporters who truly believe that they are in a political fight of their lives. They seem to honestly believe that Trump and his supporters are racist and that the country will be destroyed if he continues in office. Unfortunately, I think that the hate from the mainstream media is being embraced by those on the political left and they are much more likely to erupt in violence should Trump win the election even if all votes are legitimate.
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    Looks like stalemate. Dems blaming Russia and Republicans blaming Iran. Clever. Carry on.

    Quote Russia and Iran have interfered with the US election, FBI says

    By CNN 22 OCT, 2020

    Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said both Iran and Russia have obtained US voter registration information in an effort to interfere in the election, including Iran posing as the far-right group Proud Boys to send intimidating emails to voters.

    "This data can be used by foreign actors to attempt to communicate false information to registered voters that they hope will cause confusion, sow chaos and undermine your confidence in American democracy," Ratcliffe said.

    Iranians are responsible for a voter intimidation email campaign that was made to look like it came from the Proud Boys and was also spreading disinformation about voter fraud through a video linked in some of the emails.

    "We have already seen Iran sending spoof emails designed to intimidate voters, incite social unrest and damage President Trump," Ratcliffe added.

    "You may have seen some reporting on this in the last 24 hours, or you may have even been one of the recipients of those emails."

    Russia has not taken the same actions, Ratcliffe said, but has obtained some voter information, just as Moscow did in 2016.

    Ratcliffe spoke alongside FBI Director Chris Wray at a hastily arranged news conference on Wednesday evening to announce the foreign election interference.

    "We are prepared for the possibility of actions by those hostile to democracy," Ratcliffe said.

    Along with Russia and China, Iran was named as one of three foreign adversaries seeking to interfere in the 2020 race in an unprecedented statement from the intelligence community's top election security official, Bill Evanina, on August 7.

    "We assess that Iran seeks to undermine US democratic institutions, President Trump, and to divide the country in advance of the 2020 elections. Iran's efforts along these lines probably will focus on on-line influence, such as spreading disinformation on social media and recirculating anti-U.S. content," the statement, issued on behalf of the entire intelligence community, said.

    FBI Director Christopher Wray testifies before a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing. (AP)

    "Tehran's motivation to conduct such activities is, in part, driven by a perception that President Trump's reelection would result in a continuation of US pressure on Iran in an effort to foment regime change," it added.

    The same statement said that the US intelligence community assesses "Russia is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia 'establishment.'"

    "This is consistent with Moscow's public criticism of him when he was Vice President for his role in the Obama Administration's policies on Ukraine and its support for the anti-Putin opposition inside Russia ... Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump's candidacy on social media and Russian television," it added.

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    Default Re: What Are You Going To Do about It?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)

    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    Sooooooo, I'll ask the Trump supporters in lieu of asking no one at all. It looks pretty darn clear by this point, that general sentiment is the only way the pres can lose, is by widespread voter fraud.

    Bottom line: if a loss does occur, thus creating certainty that truth, justice, and the American way have been blatantly subverted, what, if anything, are you going to do about it?
    The answer to your question is nothing at all because for many Trump supporters it is not about politics it is about much more. The vast majority of Trump supporters will search for another way to bring about better lives for all Americans regardless of ethnicity, skin color, age, sexual preference or economic status. The majority of Trump supporters are not about rioting, looting or crime, just the opposite. Of course there will be those on the fringe that may go off the rails but that is not what a Trump supporter is all about, regardless of what the media tells you.

    That said if the election has millions of provable fraudulent votes counted and the election is assigned to either candidate I think we can expect some serious civil unrest.

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    Quote Posted by Gemma13 (here)
    Looks like stalemate. Dems blaming Russia and Republicans blaming Iran. Clever. Carry on.
    since the FBI is basically proven to be "the Dems" (visa vi the HBiden laptop that they sat on since feb) then it's Dems blame russia, and other Dems blame Iran (which,, IS AN ALLY OF RUSSIA, RUSSIA who is china's biggest threat/rival.... see the pattern?)
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    Thanks for the post. For me I will carry on creating my art and music, see the results, read the play and make a game day decision.
    If for some strange reason, Pelosi becomes president, I just may march off to DC .

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    I have always wondered why, with the obvious deception apparent at every level of government and media, as well as in private industry, people are so sure that our elections have been fair and honest? It seems to me the ability to hack the vote has existed for quite some time. Even as a child, I never thought that the voting process was real or fair, having observed adults mendacity and tendency to lie. Many Avalon members have researched the hidden agendas of elites, the deep, above top secret technologies and activities of the military and government, yet steadfastly cling to the idea of open and honest elections taking place for our President... It seems a fairly large blind spot, in my opinion. It is more likely a power struggle, where the winning faction is allowed to place their representative in office.

    If that is the case, I would observe Biden seems to represent a power faction supporting China/Silicon Valley Tech and Trump perhaps a more traditional "Illuminati" type base. Neither group is particularly appealing.

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    Default Re: What Are You Going To Do about It?

    What am I going to do about it ?


    You're asking to wrong hate target.


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    *bump*

    Good discussion that needs to continue.

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    I drank beer, trump was winning when I went to bed, haha.

    DC was boring when I went, I shot some video and left around 5pm, I'll go back friday and see what it's like... haha
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    So, here we are. In line with the theme of this thread, are Steve Bannon's recent comments considered fair game in light of the election results?

    Quote Second term kicks off with firing Wray, firing Fauci. Now I actually want to go a step farther but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man,” Bannon said, referring to the FBI director and the country’s top infectious disease expert, respectively.

    I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats,” he continued. “You either get with the program or you’re gone, time to stop playing games.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr...al-11605126551

    Now I suppose that comment can be viewed a figurative, but is it really, considering the follow on comments from his guest?

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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    So, here we are. In line with the theme of this thread, are Steve Bannon's recent comments considered fair game in light of the election results?

    Quote Second term kicks off with firing Wray, firing Fauci. Now I actually want to go a step farther but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man,” Bannon said, referring to the FBI director and the country’s top infectious disease expert, respectively.

    I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats,” he continued. “You either get with the program or you’re gone, time to stop playing games.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dr...al-11605126551

    Now I suppose that comment can be viewed a figurative, but is it really, considering the follow on comments from his guest?

    Quote Well you know what Steve just yesterday, there was the anniversary of two Torries in Philadelphia. These were Quaker businessmen who had cohabitated with the British while they occupied Philadelphia. These people were hung. This is what we used to do to traitors.
    have you looked into the backgrounds of those two individuals? I'd say those comments are very valid.. both are treasonous in their actions and at least one will be convicted of it... if Fauci keeps his (bill gates given) bull**** up, he will go down as well.


    BTW, still drinking beer and making meme's.... not at all like you expected eh? strangly peaceful eh?

    Just wait till trump's victory is clear (coming with in weeks now).... then you'll see how this thread should have been pointed left, not right; though we've already seen that via the attacks on several trump supporters this weekend ( I was there for a few hours).
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    Quote Posted by Gracy May (here)
    So, here we are. In line with the theme of this thread, are Steve Bannon's recent comments considered fair game in light of the election results?
    Quote Second term kicks off with firing Wray, firing Fauci. Now I actually want to go a step farther but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man,” Bannon said, referring to the FBI director and the country’s top infectious disease expert, respectively.

    I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats,” he continued. “You either get with the program or you’re gone, time to stop playing games.
    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    have you looked into the backgrounds of those two individuals? I'd say those comments are very valid.. both are treasonous in their actions and at least one will be convicted of it... if Fauci keeps his (bill gates given) bull**** up, he will go down as well.


    BTW, still drinking beer and making meme's.... not at all like you expected eh? strangly peaceful eh?

    Just wait till trump's victory is clear (coming with in weeks now).... then you'll see how this thread should have been pointed left, not right; though we've already seen that via the attacks on several trump supporters this weekend ( I was there for a few hours).
    Well, I never "expected" anything. I do have my concerns however.

    Now this thread was never aimed left, or right, it was aimed at those that were so sure Trump would win in a landslide, that the only way to lose would be if the election were stolen. Being that this election is more and more viewed as the final showdown between good and evil, I can envision desperate people doing desperate things if "cheating" brings the devil his final W.

    It looks to me people like Steve Bannon are starting to see the handwriting on the wall that the dream is slipping away, because I've never heard him talk in terms of beheadings, and heads on pikes.

    I do hope you're correct (and you probably are!) that there will never be any violence from the right, but right now there are still rays of hope, no one will know for sure what might happen until it's officially over with a new President sworn in.

    If there were ever to be a GO time, a heads on pikes time, that would be it. When the last shred of hope is officially gone.
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    Now this thread was never aimed left, or right, it was aimed at those that were so sure Trump would win in a landslide, that the only way to lose would be if the election were stolen. Being that this election is more and more viewed as the final showdown between good and evil, I can envision desperate people doing desperate things if "cheating" brings the devil his final W.

    It looks to me people like Steve Bannon are starting to see the handwriting on the wall that the dream is slipping away, because I've never heard him talk in terms of beheadings, and heads on pikes.

    I do hope you're correct (and you probably are!) that there will never be any violence from the right, but right now there are still rays of hope, no one will know for sure what might happen until it's officially over with a new President sworn in.

    If there were ever to be a GO time, a heads on pikes time, that would be it. When the last shred of hope is officially gone.
    It's playing out as we speak. And I think the answer to your question ultimately rests on the degree to which the egregious fraud and disenfranchisement of the people becomes known in a widespread way. Right now there are roughly two echo chambers clamoring for control of the narrative.

    But to speak to your concerns, yes, I do believe there is potential for violence, possibly institutionally organized, if those two echo chambers fail to find synthesis...

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    It's playing out as we speak. And I think the answer to your question ultimately rests on the degree to which the egregious fraud and disenfranchisement of the people becomes known in a widespread way. Right now there are roughly two echo chambers clamoring for control of the narrative.

    But to speak to your concerns, yes, I do believe there is potential for violence, possibly institutionally organized, if those two echo chambers fail to find synthesis...
    The two echo chambers is definitely a problem, when problems can no longer be discussed and resolved in a civil manner, then that opens the door to potential uncivil actions. Especially, if “the other” has been sufficiently dehumanized, that’s when the real trouble can start. The way I see this both echo chambers firmly believe that they are doing final battle with the devil incarnate, thus I’m not liking what I’m seeing.

    What does one have to lose, what wouldn’t one do, when they start to see that they are about to lose the final death match against Satan himself? That’s where the desperate people doing desperate things comes into play, when the alternative is that there’s no tomorrow...

    Now to the contention of this “egregious voter fraud and disenfranchisement”, I’m just not seeing it. I see a continuous stream of wild claims coming from the administration, and the new go to conservative sources of OAN and News Max, but nothing even close to showing me any direct evidence. I’m seeing these lawsuits getting retracted, thrown out of court, and the states are now beginning the certification process.

    I don’t care who wins, I’ve no horse in this race. For me it’s lose/lose either way. From everything I see Joe Biden is the clear victor, even though he underperformed the polls and Trump over performed. He still lost.

    I can live with the official final result either way, my concern is with those who can’t live with a certain result. What are they going to do about it when it becomes crystal clear the devil has won and the republic has “fallen”?
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    It's playing out as we speak. And I think the answer to your question ultimately rests on the degree to which the egregious fraud and disenfranchisement of the people becomes known in a widespread way. Right now there are roughly two echo chambers clamoring for control of the narrative.

    But to speak to your concerns, yes, I do believe there is potential for violence, possibly institutionally organized, if those two echo chambers fail to find synthesis...
    The two echo chambers is definitely a problem, when problems can no longer be discussed and resolved in a civil manner, then that opens the door to potential uncivil actions. Especially, if “the other” has been sufficiently dehumanized, that’s when the real trouble can start. The way I see this both echo chambers firmly believe that they are doing final battle with the devil incarnate, thus I’m not liking what I’m seeing.

    What does one have to lose, what wouldn’t one do, when they start to see that they are about to lose the final death match against Satan himself? That’s where the desperate people doing desperate things comes into play, when the alternative is that there’s no tomorrow...

    Now to the contention of this “egregious voter fraud and disenfranchisement”, I’m just not seeing it. I see a continuous stream of wild claims coming from the administration, and the new go to conservative sources of OAN and News Max, but nothing even close to showing me any direct evidence. I’m seeing these lawsuits getting retracted, thrown out of court, and the states are now beginning the certification process.

    I don’t care who wins, I’ve no horse in this race. For me it’s lose/lose either way. From everything I see Joe Biden is the clear victor, even though he underperformed the polls and Trump over performed. He still lost.

    I can live with the official final result either way, my concern is with those who can’t live with a certain result. What are they going to do about it when it becomes crystal clear the devil has won and the republic has “fallen”?
    I do not feel it is clear that Biden won. But I also do not feel there is anyway Trump will come out as winner either. Unfortunately the entire country is going to suffer. Was there election fraud? The only answer is a resounding yes! Will it be proven? Probably not.

    It hurts my soul and is a slap in the face to all my family members who have fought and died to keep this country free.

    I believe there will be violence as the country becomes more and more divided. A civil war is at hand. What this country will look like will be completely different than what it looks like today. I will hide here in the country and worry for my children and any children they may have. I will hide here and mourn the loss of the United States and when it gets very bad, I will consider using my dual citizenship to move to another country. It all makes me very sad.
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    It's playing out as we speak. And I think the answer to your question ultimately rests on the degree to which the egregious fraud and disenfranchisement of the people becomes known in a widespread way. Right now there are roughly two echo chambers clamoring for control of the narrative.

    But to speak to your concerns, yes, I do believe there is potential for violence, possibly institutionally organized, if those two echo chambers fail to find synthesis...
    The two echo chambers is definitely a problem, when problems can no longer be discussed and resolved in a civil manner, then that opens the door to potential uncivil actions. Especially, if “the other” has been sufficiently dehumanized, that’s when the real trouble can start. The way I see this both echo chambers firmly believe that they are doing final battle with the devil incarnate, thus I’m not liking what I’m seeing.

    What does one have to lose, what wouldn’t one do, when they start to see that they are about to lose the final death match against Satan himself? That’s where the desperate people doing desperate things comes into play, when the alternative is that there’s no tomorrow...

    Now to the contention of this “egregious voter fraud and disenfranchisement”, I’m just not seeing it. I see a continuous stream of wild claims coming from the administration, and the new go to conservative sources of OAN and News Max, but nothing even close to showing me any direct evidence. I’m seeing these lawsuits getting retracted, thrown out of court, and the states are now beginning the certification process.

    I don’t care who wins, I’ve no horse in this race. For me it’s lose/lose either way. From everything I see Joe Biden is the clear victor, even though he underperformed the polls and Trump over performed. He still lost.

    I can live with the official final result either way, my concern is with those who can’t live with a certain result. What are they going to do about it when it becomes crystal clear the devil has won and the republic has “fallen”?
    What I find amusing is this place is the biggest echo chamber. The ideas expressed here are not progressive in fact I would say probably right. Like VERY solidly right. So far right we are taking Rudy Guiliani seriously like he is a serious human who was not involved in the 9-11 attacks.

    Every one here thinks trump won the election he clearly lost. This is why you dont get people engaging your forum from the "other side". For the people here, the election WAS stolen beyond a doubt because there is no way our big boy president can lose. What is there to be gained by discussing with people about an election where nothing will change their mind? Literally, is there anything that could be said or some out that would make people here think it was NOT stolen?(Not even the CISA guy?)

    It seems you want violence. Why else would you start a thread called "What are you going to DO about it?" that ends with "Well truth justice and apple pie are all smashed under a boot, what are your next moves yall?" Do you see how this comes across as maybe wanting that violence?

    Clearly you want action to take place. Now what kind of action potential are we in with an election one side is claiming massive fraud despite multiple people in his own government saying otherwise and then him firing them(CISA Director). Which dont you think it is interesting the Q watermarked crypto ballot BS is completely destroyed by having to fire the dude that would have been in charge of exactly that program?

    In the Q mindset, the dastardly "The dems" as our humble home appliance store calls them is stealing the election and the deep state™ is making its moves.

    What do you imagine the people in this mindset are going to view as action potentials? What are the 3% going to view as reasonable things to DO? What are the Proud Boys going to feel is the appropriate act?

    I am a little shocked Gracy at this post by you. This doesnt feel like a normal one for you who is usually careful. If your concern is really for the people you seem to be riling up, then why not make this post directed at them telling them that violence is not the answer. Like make a whole long post going through their feelings and showing that you empathize with their anger but that maybe getting those BEAR ARMS out of the safe is not the best move for the republic in the long term. Instead we got this. What.

    But I jumped over the biggest and juiciest bit here. Talk about de humanizining people and otherizing people while our resident Iconoclast does exactly that to "THE LEFT". FBI doing something you disagree with? Meh they are THE LEFT.
    Just saying the "THE LEFT" means you can lump who groups of people and dismiss them. Trump is in a picture with his young children and Epstein? Must be "THE LEFT".

    Notice how people on this forum discuss "THE LEFT". I am a rarity here. I am a "the LEFT" as you probably have guessed. But I am not really on this forum for politics. I came here and am still here for the extraordinary things.
    I used to really like this forum. I could come and talk about Aliens and learn about exotic things. This place was for sure gonna keep me up to date on disclosure or sighting. Now, go take a look. Most of peoples grey matter is spent on Q LARPING. The United States government stood up a new combatant command called Space Force and it was BARELY discussed here.

    THink about how many Humans have left this forums because of the discourse here.
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    Praxis, the radical woke left has dragged things so far left, that those in the middle now appear to be "alt right". Or far right, as you said. So I think your post is built around a fundamental misunderstanding.

    But I can only speak for myself. I thought Trump would lose, even though I voted for him. And now, I'm not certain he's actually won. Not certain at all, so I can't be put in that group. Was there voter fraud? It appears that way to me. I'm actually certain about very little, but i am willing to let the process play itself out.

    The entire country, as far as i can tell, is an echo chamber for the left..or some version of it. The media, big tech, corporate america, the universities...you name it. Does the left need to possess small, niche forums too? Is it really unfair that a few people on a small chat site resist the current wave of insanity? The "humans" (interesting choice of words there!) that you refer to, that have left the forum - do they require that the entire world conform to their ideas too? Must they colonize our little territory here as well? And if so, is quitting in a huff a noble statement to make if their ideas fail to catch on?

    Me, i like playing contrarian, devil's advocate...specially when the numbers are against me. Its such a wonderful opportunity to sharpen one's sword, articulate one's ideas, so forth. It's a fast track to intellectual evolution. So the idea that those with differing opinions would quit is such a foreign idea to me that i cant really understand it. After all, this is just talk! Even though words like "attack" are bandied about here frequently, no one is ever in danger of harm. If they hang in there, the only thing theyre in danger of is growth! And that's a good thing.

    I don't know if youre a rarity here, as you say. But out in the real world, you're the status quo. You've won! So ive no idea what you're so worked up about! Jesus, i envy you in that sense!

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    Now to the contention of this “egregious voter fraud and disenfranchisement”, I’m just not seeing it. I see a continuous stream of wild claims coming from the administration, and the new go to conservative sources of OAN and News Max, but nothing even close to showing me any direct evidence. I’m seeing these lawsuits getting retracted, thrown out of court, and the states are now beginning the certification process.
    Have you poured through this? I mean, really taken the time to go through it? None of this is evidence? Really?

    I'm confused by your thinking here. If none of this is evidence, including evidence of real time vote flipping from the data stream/software program explicitly designed to rig elections, the tally of which was witnessed by millions of people in real time; including a statistical analysis of said data showing millions of vote flips from Trump to Biden, including statistical analysis of a Biden victory at odds equivalent to flipping heads on a coin two thousand times in a row, etc., etc., what constitutes evidence in the echo chamber from which these sort of nonsensical rebuttals bounce? I want to understand. The universe you are embracing defies the very laws of nature.

    The fact is, none of the so-called non-evidence people are being gaslighted to believe--and we may choose among hundreds of pieces of non-evidence at random--are never even addressed in that echo chamber. They are not addressed because their rebuttals do not stand to reason and would pop that bubble as sure and quick as a needle to a balloon.

    But here is the thing. Regardless of whether you wish to critically examine the narrative you assert constitutes no evidence of election fraud, the MASSIVE degree of discrepancy nonetheless demands a full audit, out in the open and in the daylight, if we are ever going to attain synthesis of these two vastly polarized narratives. In the interests of a non-violent solution, this is the only way. If every vote cast is audited for legitimacy and tallied in accordance to the law, and if Joe Biden emerges as the winner of the election after this process is executed in the light of day, that would constitute a non-violent synthesis of the two so-called echo chambers now currently at odds and would determine who the people rightfully elected POTUS.

    One side is demanding this; it would seem the other side has no interest in legitimacy or honesty.

    Let's do the audit. We should all be wiling to agree to that. But I fear that would merely show those trapped in cognitive dissonance something they are seemingly unwilling to accept.
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