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    On the news tonight, a group of undecided voters were interviewed after last nights debate. I was fascinated to hear a person say that they liked Trumps policies, but not his personality and so voting for Biden.

    Really? At the end of the day, personality outweighs policy? How is that explained ?

    what do you think?
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    Default Re: Personality over Policy ?

    A few thoughts
    • Not all honest people are smart people
    • Some people are influenced more by the media then they think or believe
    • If we take this at face value as a true statement from a real person - then it does not speak well of society
    • This could very well be media dishonesty and propaganda

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    Its bizzare to me rgray222. i agree. it speaks to me of media brainwashing. how an adult could say that is quite something.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    On the news tonight, a group of undecided voters were interviewed after last nights debate. I was fascinated to hear a person say that they liked Trumps policies, but not his personality and so voting for Biden.

    Really? At the end of the day, personality outweighs policy? How is that explained ?

    what do you think?
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    A totally ludicrous way of thinking, in my way of thinking.
    Last edited by Bill Ryan; 24th October 2020 at 15:55. Reason: fixed quote formatting
    Question Everything, always speak truth...

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    On the news tonight, a group of undecided voters were interviewed after last nights debate. I was fascinated to hear a person say that they liked Trumps policies, but not his personality and so voting for Biden.

    Really? At the end of the day, personality outweighs policy? How is that explained ?

    what do you think?
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    I would have thought that the policies were the personality or at the very least attempted to reflect it, anything other being a cognitive disconnect with serious implications for the personality in question.

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    so imagine out on the high seas, a captain who is a good chum easy on the crew but not very effective is favored over one who makes hard decisions , hard on the crew and navigates the all safely, but is of a hard and callous personality

    who would you choose?

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    so imagine out on the high seas, a captain who is a good chum easy on the crew but not very effective is favored over one who makes hard decisions , hard on the crew and navigates the all safely, but is of a hard and callous personality

    who would you choose?
    It's a no-brainer, extreme circumstances require extreme decisions. Where lives are potentially at stake, as in your hypothetical, an ineffectual leader (captain) may not end up getting the job done at all.

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    On the news tonight, a group of undecided voters were interviewed after last nights debate. I was fascinated to hear a person say that they liked Trumps policies, but not his personality and so voting for Biden.

    Really? At the end of the day, personality outweighs policy? How is that explained ?

    what do you think?
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    Some people who voted for Trump have been influenced by the relentless anti-Trump campaign and feel guilty for being outside the herd. Perhaps Trump's unlikeability is all the excuse this person needed to get right with the herd.

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    At the risk of sounding elitist, its typical of people who are lower on the IQ scale or those with emotional trauma that has stuck them in immature reasoning stages. It referred to as "emotional reasoning" and used by politicians and advertisers all the time. They appeal to general internal feeling states of the person by presenting as an all around good guy, all American etc. IMO Trump uses it as well but appeal to the group that looks to common sense and those who align by their values (Christians). That's a slightly higher level of thinking where the person rejects the first emotional reaction and looks to the persons actions and what the words mean.

    http://https://www.psychologytoday.c...t-such-problem

    So what, exactly, is emotional reasoning? This term, meant to describe a particular type of cognitive distortion, was first employed in the ’70s by Aaron Beck, the founder of Cognitive Therapy (later expanded to Cognitive Behavior Therapy, or CBT). To Beck, whenever someone concludes that their emotional reaction to something thereby defines its reality, they’re engaged in emotional reasoning. Any observed evidence is disregarded or dismissed in favor of the assumed “truth” of their feelings. Additionally, Beck believed that such reasoning originated from negative thoughts, best appreciated as involuntary, uncontrollable, or automatic.......In any case, this is what most CBT therapists would encourage you to do to avoid acting on the erroneous supposition that your feelings deserve to be appreciated as facts. You'd be instructed to, “scientifically,” put your unverified assumptions to the empirical test.

    However, I’d argue here that all too often such rational techniques miss the mark. Why? Simply because your emotional reactions may relate to the child part of yourself and to a time when feelings, not reason, controlled your thought processes. So any therapy that focuses exclusively on your rational adult self—vs. your much more impulsive and emotional child self—may not reach that cognitively undeveloped youngster inside you: the one who (actually in an age-appropriate way!) reasoned primarily on the basis of strong feelings. And that child’s view of rationality may deviate considerably from your own, more “informed” perspective. (The reader might note here two earlier posts of mine: “Trust Your Feelings? ... Maybe Not” and “Child Self? Adult Self?—Who’s Running the Show?”)

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    Quote Posted by Savannah (here)
    At the risk of sounding elitist, its typical of people who are lower on the IQ scale or those with emotional trauma that has stuck them in immature reasoning stages.
    Very well put. We are forced to grow older in life but we are not forced to mature.

    Some people are have a detestable way of expressing themselves but that doesn't have a determination on if they are right or not. There's a flip side to this as well. Some comedians bring politics into their set and while they can be hilarious at the end of the day what they suggest can be foolish (though not always): I don't agree with people because I find them to be charismatic.

    Emotions must be removed from such things, use your brain to think.
    That's life, and I can't deny it
    Many times I thought of cuttin' out but my heart won't buy it

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    Quote Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
    On the news tonight, a group of undecided voters were interviewed after last nights debate. I was fascinated to hear a person say that they liked Trumps policies, but not his personality and so voting for Biden.

    Really? At the end of the day, personality outweighs policy? How is that explained ?

    what do you think?
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    When I hear anecdotes like this, that's when Benjamin Franklin's warning comes to mind about what type of government the Founders had forged, "....a Republic, madam, if you can keep it..."
    Last edited by T Smith; 25th October 2020 at 01:15.

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