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    It's easy to become thoroughly disillusioned with politics in the US, and even more so if you are a conspiracy theorist.
    I think there's a lot of truth in the idea that the main puppeteers pulling the strings from behind the scenes are pretty much in agreement about bringing about a NWO.
    But it also seems they have different ideas about exactly how that will look and how to get there.
    If the rest of the US citizenry are to have any voice, even if it's only in choosing between the lesser of two evils, it can take some deep diving to find out how our voices and our votes can do the most good.

    I went some time ago from having little hope that voting one way or the other would actually make much difference in the end, to thinking that the faction behind Trump has goals that are more favorable for the US than the faction behind Biden.
    Biden's obvious ties with China and the CCP and his shady past and projected goals are certainly a big part of that reasoning .
    Trump seems more reluctant to push the current Covid plandemic NWO scheme and all that it entails, though he has been pushed in that direction and apparently didn't think he had the wherewithal to resist it.
    But he is giving hints that if he serves a second term, he will be more inclined to resist the NWO.
    (C.A. Fitts and Dark Journalist talked a bit about that starting at 2 hours, 12 minutes in their latest discussion here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sW3TNGBukw&t=3259s
    All of which is highly recommended.)

    The big possible difference between the two agendas that I have seen recently stem partly from a Veritas interview with Jay Weidner from 10/29/20, "The Great Reset, the Global Elite's Plan to Overhaul the World's Economy" at:

    ...Which I also posted here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1388533 with this comment:

    "I'm not a big fan of Weidner, but if what he says is true, it's something I've not heard or considered before and if true, certainly gives a different slant to what's going on with the NWO/China/ and the US...and doesn't seem unlikely.
    He doesn't mention his source about the meeting between the NWO reps and the Chinese, however, which would have been helpful.
    Perhaps he does in part 2, but I am not a subscriber to Veritas. Perhaps someone here is and can fill us in."


    What Weidner said was that he was told there was a secret official meeting between 4 members of the NWO and 4 members of the Chinese Communist Party, during which the NWO members invited the CCP members into the NWO fold.
    But the CCP declined.
    Upon which the NWO members, who had assumed there would be no resistance, realized that China was going to be a big problem, and they would have to keep the US afloat in order to combat China's globalist goals.
    So presumably (and it seems more obvious every day) part of the NWO agenda was to shut down and gain total control of the US and then continue to use US resources to gain total control of the rest of the world.
    But now, if the priority is to first defeat the NWO's primary competitor, the CCP, then the US will have to be managed in a much different way.

    Assuming that there are at least two factions in the NWO, then if this all adds up, it seems likely that there is one faction which may still think the CCP can be an ally or is not such a threat, and one faction which sees the CCP as an enemy and the US as a resource which must be fostered instead of brought down.
    And that being the case, then Biden is representative of the former, and Trump is of the latter.

    There is certainly good reason, especially if you live in parts of the world that the CIA and the US military has essentially annexed, to see the US as being as much of a threat to the rest of the world as China and the CCP.
    But from a larger perspective, US citizens still enjoy greater personal freedoms than those of most countries, while China's citizens have little in the way of personal freedom.
    And if there are ways to get the better of the NWO, some are very likely to come from the US.
    So I'm thinking that favoring Trump as the next POTUS can be justified because it looks like a vote for Biden is a vote for China, and a vote for Trump is a vote for at least postponing the fall of the US, where there may still be a chance of defeating the NWO agenda altogether.
    China obviously is ahead of the rest of the world in bringing about a NWO of their own, and it is doubtless even more draconian than any of the other versions.

    If anyone has more pieces of this puzzle, input would be much appreciated.

    (Another thing I've been speculating about is the current flood crisis in China.
    Trump once said publicly that the US has much more effective weapons than nuclear.
    Given the amount of evidence that one of those weapons is weather manipulation, I cannot help but wonder if the US has been causing at least some of that flooding in China.
    But that's a whole different subject!)
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    In the thread started by Bill called "What's the 2020 October Surprise?" I wrote the following answer:

    "The Seraph's Opinion of all the possible future scenarios like: U.S. dollar collapsing; asteroid striking the Earth; Solar Minimum causing severe cold weather; Yellowstone Super-volcano exploding; Three Gorges Dam failing in China; chaos from U.S. presidential election; or intense war of some kind, the Seraph says that "Intense war of some kind" is the real problem, and that war between the U.S. and China is currently going on. He says that both sides are now using earthquake, weather, and biological weaponry. Although clandestine at the moment, he says that this war will be publicly known by December of this year. He doesn't know which side will win. And regarding most relevant questions around this, he doesn't know the outcome. He does say that Donald Trump, however, will win the November 3rd election." (Post #98, on August 18th, 2020)

    Today in remembering this post, I realized the possible meaning of the war with China become publicly known by December. What I think it means, is that as long as Biden is in the ascendant as the next possible U.S. president, the Chinese will be quietly at war with us, but if by December things have turned to Trump's favor, they will be more openly hostile to the U.S.
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    Do you believe that the politics of political correctness can make the choice to limit damage? I am thinking of releasing the final verdict of the Supreme Court, ruling out fraud from the results to avoid too much chaos on the American continent. Less evil, this emergency exit is certainly beyond the expectations of the expectations of supporters of Trump or Biden. On which side is the lesser evil? I dare say that there is none and that it is on one side or the other, it will hurt. Don't we say bad for good?

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    I started this thread not because I wanted yet another debate as to which candidate is the better choice ( or if there really is no better choice), but because of the possibility outlined by Jay Weidner.
    That being: that China refused to join the NWO and therefore the focus of at least one faction of the NWO to bring the US down changed.
    It changed to instead preserve and use the US as a power to defend against China (which has plans for a NWO of it's own, to control the world under China's exclusive dominion).
    That being important because it could create some "wiggle room" for the US citizenry to take action against the whole NWO agenda, before it's too late.

    Biden is clearly a tool for the old stated goals of the NWO, while Trump and the faction he represents may be more for keeping the US viable as a world power, if only to combat China.
    But that may still present a chance that the US could actually become a force for defeating both the old NWO and the Chinese NWO.

    I hope that explanation is clear-- the title of the thread might be a bit misleading, because it's not so much about the difference between the two candidates as it is about the US vs China vs the NWO.

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    Do you believe that the politics of political correctness can make the choice to limit damage? I am thinking of releasing the final verdict of the Supreme Court, ruling out fraud from the results to avoid too much chaos on the American continent. Less evil, this emergency exit is certainly beyond the expectations of the expectations of supporters of Trump or Biden. On which side is the lesser evil? I dare say that there is none and that it is on one side or the other, it will hurt. Don't we say bad for good?

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    Default Re: What's the Difference?

    My reflection has tried to find a happy medium as in the Yi-Ching, I was not born in America and it is true that to wait who will finally win, can become unbearable. I know several French astrologers gave Biden a winner.

    One of the astrologers without studying the charts of Biden and Trump, relied on the day of the inauguration.
    His study is in PDF form and coming out of traditional studies. You can always copy and paste with a translator and read in English
    http://translate.google.com/translat...html&sandbox=1
    I really hope he was wrong


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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    I started this thread not because I wanted yet another debate as to which candidate is the better choice ( or if there really is no better choice), but because of the possibility outlined by Jay Weidner.
    That being: that China refused to join the NWO and therefore the focus of at least one faction of the NWO to bring the US down changed.
    It changed to instead preserve and use the US as a power to defend against China (which has plans for a NWO of it's own, to control the world under China's exclusive dominion).
    That being important because it could create some "wiggle room" for the US citizenry to take action against the whole NWO agenda, before it's too late.

    Biden is clearly a tool for the old stated goals of the NWO, while Trump and the faction he represents may be more for keeping the US viable as a world power, if only to combat China.
    But that may still present a chance that the US could actually become a force for defeating both the old NWO and the Chinese NWO.

    I hope that explanation is clear-- the title of the thread might be a bit misleading, because it's not so much about the difference between the two candidates as it is about the US vs China vs the NWO.
    After plunging down the QANON rabbit hole I concluded that this world consists of layer upon layer of deception / illusion.

    There's the surface level MSM picture of world events, which I'd not bought for years.

    There's the cynical/informed observer perspective, that there's an illuminati/establishment pulling the strings for at least 'The West'. That's still primarily a conventional analysis of geo-politics, finance, the exercise of temporal power and authority. The NWO can be a part of this analysis. This was where I was at for a long time.

    Then there's a deeper dive, the spiritual war, this was something that Q made me consider more seriously. However the Q 'White Hats' vs 'Evil Cabal' dualism is drawn straight from a Western and we should know enough by now to question that black and white thinking. Of course one could argue that the satanism or mystery school involvement is just one more tool of control, allowing mutual blackmail etc. I tend to think that they're perfectly serious about it however. I also found Q's term 'wizards and warlocks' for the 'good guys' significant, particularly in view of the 'Revelation of the method' theory.

    Of course one can continue to drill down the rabbit hole into 3d / 5d matrix theories, spiritual realms as depicted on the Kabbalistic tree of life or other eschatological interpretations. I can't verify or falsify these so I can't discount them, but they aren't particularly helpful models in trying to interpret immediate events.

    So staying between the first and second layers... It's clear that Trump and co are firmly members of the elite, so there's either a co-ordinated plan and a simulated conflict to achieve their shared goals or the best case scenario, a war between two factions of the elite, where both likely seek some form of NWO, but the Trump Q axis is at least potentially more benevolent than the grim Rothschild / Windsor / Saudi axis of the Old New World Order.

    The BDAnon account supports the idea of Directed Energy Weapons being employed against China. Mark Esper confirmed their existence before departing the DOD and you can see Dutchsinse on YouTube pointing at what looks like potential DEW being employed on the New Madrid fault line.

    A second interpretation, which I've not discounted. Is that Q is a way of forging and militarising one faction, whilst Antifa, BLM etc is a way of building its opposition. The goal being an American civil war that would justify a 'peacekeeping' operation which would bring US population into the wider globalised fold. Drawing the teeth and guns of the US conservative faction and paving the way for the 'New Normal' Building Back better and eventual fulfillment of the Georgia Guidestone plan for half a million happy slaves at the base of the pyramid with who knows what at the peak.

    Then there's the Q suggestion that Trump's reception within the Hidden City showed an alliance between his faction and President Xi. So maybe there's a similar power struggle under way within CCP? There's also the Taiwan faction who seemed to work with Trump on the Hunter Biden reveal. They however are firmly anti Xi. Very difficult to look from outside at China and glean anything meaningful.

    Tldr, I don't know, but I'm distrustful of the claims of the professed insiders. We may be on the verge of WW3, the Second American Civil War, a battle between two factions of the Luciferian elite for the throne of the Antichrist, the last throes of the old order before the dawning of the age of Aquarius, or any and all of the above.

    If I had to put money on it I'd say that the Royals AND all the World leaders are as much actors as the puppets in Hollywood. Delivering their scripted version of reality to keep the populace confused and distracted.

    Hope this clear it up!

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    https://www.corbettreport.com/episod...w-world-order/



    The history of China vs the NWO is complex, and I cant be sure of what Jay says in regards to this given what is well documented even if not well known about the opening of China to the west.

    I personally think that the real plan is to bring western populations under a similar level of surveillance and control to what Chinese citizens currently enjoy. The setting up of China to be the manufacturing powerhouse of a global economy cannot really be questioned.

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    China Tied to Election Push; the Global Socialist Agenda | Crossroads/Trevor Loudon:
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    "As the United States and the world waits for the final results of the #2020elections, evidence is demonstrating numerous cases of fraud and irregularities that are calling into question the integrity of the U.S. Electoral System. Yet beyond this, many of the radical groups that have been involved with activities around the election have deep ties to the Chinese government. To learn more about this, and the broader agenda behind these groups, we spoke with author, filmmaker, and Epoch Times contributor Trevor Loudon."


    (I think Loudon minimizes the problems in the US--not everyone prospers here to say the least, but he makes good points, imho, especially regarding the CCP. )
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    That Corbett Report is from 2014, but it's still certainly full of insightful and relevant information.
    It provides a very broadened perspective more than it provides solutions to the current situation, however.
    What it brought me to was remembrance of George Green's trilogy, "Handbook for the New Paradigm".
    Wherein is a description of the current and ongoing planetary conflict, not just in 3D reality, but on a spiritual level as well.
    Though it's reportedly channeled, it doesn't really read that way and isn't "woo woo" like so much channeled info, but very grounded and practical.
    It's not about benevolent aliens coming to rescue earthlings from the evil aliens or anything like that, but a believable rendering of a gradual awakening of human consciousness and the steps that must be taken along that course to form a planet that is ready to take its place responsibly among the interplanetary community.
    I read it years ago, but I think it would be a good time to read it again.

    From: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/s...l_depopu37.htm :

    "A New Paradigm
    In his last appearance on Coast2Coast, George Green explained that he receives telepathic information from Pleiadian beings, which he has compiled into three handbooks.

    Volume One is a somewhat philosophical treatise, which posits that negative forces are conspiring to cut short the existence of mankind.

    "It is with careful and focused intent that the reality of this earthly experience is being engineered into a pattern of downward movement into the darker and heavier energies that are at the lower end of the scale in which the human body can exist," he writes.

    Because of this, the contact between the spirit of the body and its connection to a larger Soul is breaking down, he continues.

    This disruption is being taken advantage of by a "group of separatists" who hope to use "a chain reaction" that will allow "for chaos to such a degree that their focus can reorganize this chaos into their own matrix."

    "The plan behind this destruction is ambitious beyond your imagination. It involves the creation of a negative polarity universe/galaxy," Green goes on.

    Yet, all is not yet lost for humanity if they can start to take personal responsibility for their thought processes, he argues.

    "Then, despite the continued push of deceptive encroachment into your awareness, you must begin to discern what is truth. You must hold to your resolve to move through this to a new and greater understanding," he counsels. "

    The Handbook can be read online here, where it was posted back in 1999: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/e...n.htm#contents


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    The history of China vs the NWO is complex, and I cant be sure of what Jay says in regards to this given what is well documented even if not well known about the opening of China to the west.

    I personally think that the real plan is to bring western populations under a similar level of surveillance and control to what Chinese citizens currently enjoy. The setting up of China to be the manufacturing powerhouse of a global economy cannot really be questioned.
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