Search for the Titan mini sub - and its passengers

[mizo]

I've been watching this news story over the last couple of days.

A massive search and rescue effort is continuing in the North Atlantic after a submersible exploring the wreck of the Titanic went missing deep under the ocean on Sunday. There are five people on board.

Researchers aboard the Polar Prince - its mothership on the surface - lost contact with the crew shortly after the Titan began its dive. There is limited oxygen on board, and it is estimated that supplies are set to run out by around 10:00 GMT (06:00 EDT) on Thursday.

Banging noises have now been detected in the search area, but it is not known where they are coming from or what they mean. From the BBC here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65934887

The Titan submersible have less than 24 hours of oxygen supplies left!

One interesting article from this developing situation about the passengers is that the British businessman Shahzada Dawood, 48, is from one of Pakistan's richest families. He was travelling with his son, Suleman, a 19-year-old student, on the sub.

He works with his family's Dawood Foundation, as well as the SETI Institute - a California-based research organisation which searches for extra-terrestrial life.

[PlasmaVortex]

,it's an interesting development given the media where talking about the titanic dive site days prior to this incident. Call it conspiracy(JPF Voice)

[Mercedes]

I cannot help but think that at this day and age, how is it that they are so incapable to locate something they built with good technology and would supposedly have a GPS or a mechanism that would send signals for a radar to pick up or SOMETHING!! I mean this is not the 1800's not even 1900's , what is at stake here? It just seems so incredibly irresponsible to send a metal coffin to the bottom and just wait and see if it will float back to the surface.

[PlasmaVortex]

Good point, i'd wager a huge bet they have Star wars defense inititative satellites/platforms that can examine everything to a molecule on earth that work via phased array conjugation. This however is pure speculation but you get the point.

[mizo]

Posted by Mercedes (here)
I cannot help but think that at this day and age, how is it that they are so incapable to locate something they built with good technology and would supposedly have a GPS or a mechanism that would send signals for a radar to pick up or SOMETHING!! I mean this is not the 1800's not even 1900's , what is at stake here? It just seems so incredibly irresponsible to send a metal coffin to the bottom and just wait and see if it will float back to the surface.

I read it has lots of design flaws -one potential flaw is the hatch is bolted closed from the outside and the crew will be reliant on the air supply inside the vessel, so even if the sub reaches the water surface the crew could still die from asphyxiation if the vessel isn't located in time.

[Mercedes]

I read it has lots of design flaws -one potential flaw is the hatch is bolted closed from the outside and the crew will be reliant on the air supply inside the vessel, so even if the sub reaches the water surface the crew could still die from asphyxiation if the vessel isn't located in time.[/QUOTE]

OMG, that is so perverse!! You would think there is by now a better way.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by Mercedes (here)
I cannot help but think that at this day and age, how is it that they are so incapable to locate something they built with good technology and would supposedly have a GPS or a mechanism that would send signals for a radar to pick up or SOMETHING!!

GPS signals don't travel through water. This sub is about as technologically advanced as my garden shed. It has precisely ONE button, and for navigation they use a Sony Playstation game controller. I kid you not!!

I wouldn't have stepped into this tin can if you paid me!

See this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-65958697
(can't embed vid)

[seehas]

Posted by Mark (Star Mariner) (here)

Posted by Mercedes (here)
I cannot help but think that at this day and age, how is it that they are so incapable to locate something they built with good technology and would supposedly have a GPS or a mechanism that would send signals for a radar to pick up or SOMETHING!!

GPS signals don't travel through water. This sub is about as technologically advanced as my garden shed. It has precisely ONE button, and for navigation they use a Sony Playstation game controller. I kid you not!!

I wouldn't have stepped into this tin can if you paid me!

See this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-65958697
(can't embed vid)

thats some scary stuff right there, your life depending on a bluetooth connected game controller, i hope they brought some spare batterys with them.

one ticket costs 250.000$ and this thing is not even equipped with an emergency system, i would rather do a base jump from a bridge than go for a 3000+ meter dive in that thing

lets hope they find them alive

[Eagle Eye]

Never be curious of cursed places, get as far away as you can.

[Le Chat]

Posted by seehas (here)
and this thing is not even equipped with an emergency system

Nor a toilet. What arrangements they have come to doesn't even bear thinking about....

[thepainterdoug]

I listened to a report regarding anologies to the appolo capsule that cought fire. this is scary. if too much oxygen rich content in the sub and then the electronics can potentially ignite a fire. no way out and no point of even trying if there was a way out in those depths

this is a very scary scenario. and the main owner said, he didnt want any 50 year old white guys running things, he wanted younger people attracting other younger people into exploration

this age gender garbage is beyond believable.

prayers/ d

[Nasu]

It’s crazy, two hundred and fifty grand and no backup plan. No emergency sub in case things go bad. No emergency transponder, miles away from any civilisation, nothing. Pay your money, sign the waver and hope for the best…

All to view a wreck of mistakes and miscalculations. The irony is strong.

I feel so sorry for them and their families. It seems like a doomed rescue attempt. Now we will see…….x…… N

[Mari]

It beggars belief that this vehicle seemingly had hardly any safety back-ups in case of emergency. Also, an up-down game-station joystick to steer the craft? The entrance/exit bolted shut from the outside? Carbon fibre hull instead of much stronger steel? The list goes on.
Accidents happen, of course. But there seems to be an arrogance in the way we regard raw nature, in this case the sea, as an 'adventure', or easy-ish conquest to be ticked off a bucket list. Thousands have died in our past on the quest for adventure and dominance and some of these casualties did the very best they could, with the best technology and equipment to hand and we salute those.
Until we know better, from the information we have, it seems that this Titan quest was a doomed mission. You really, really don't mess with the north Atlantic ocean, no matter the weather or the time of year.
I pray they are rescued, but it's looking like this will be a serious impediment to the space and ocean 'Tourist' industry. Much better regulations will have to be brought in, whatever the outcome of this latest situation.


These tragedies are sober reminders that even with the best technologies, when things go wrong, the ocean takes no prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays...nes_Flight_370

https://www.marineinsight.com/mariti...ursk-disaster/

[Mari]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
this is a very scary scenario. and the main owner said, he didnt want any 50 year old white guys running things, he wanted younger people attracting other younger people into exploration

this age gender garbage is beyond believable.

prayers/ d

Yep, unbelievable. He needs to remember that most 'younger' people simply don't have £250,000 to splash out on a day trip to the bottom of the ocean. That remark will very quickly rear up and bite him on the arse.

The craft in all its glory: https://oceangate.com/our-subs/titan-submersible.html

[PlasmaVortex]

This feels similar to when that girl in the van went missing then her boyfriends bones were found even though there wasn't enough time for that to occur. I'm going with conspiracy.

[Operator]

It's a weird story. I've been working, amongst other things, on equipment for submarines. Military submarines have
pingers installed on the hatches so rescue vehicles can precisely locate the hatch in case of emergency.

Also ... they lost communication? What were they using? The only way comms work underwater is by ultrasonic
modulated audio used on specialized hydrophones (Or high powered ELF radio might work under the right circumstances).
Besides you have to deal with all kinds of layers on different depths that reflect, bend or block your signal (vertically).

What I don't understand is that if they went for a simple design why not just lower a submersible by cable and
combine it with a comms cable. But anyway you just don't build a submersible for that kind of depth either.
Even military grade submarines don't dive that deep ... as far as I know all military exercises I know of didn't go
deeper than a couple of hundred meters and were always accompanied by a support surface vessel.

By the way if you want to learn what it is to escape from a submarine in rescue suit watch this:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X_X8UCifzL8

They train in 37 feet (!) of water and claim it is tested to work up till 600 feet.
Ehh, yeah but at that kind of depths your ears won't survive the abrupt pressurization in the tube.

[PlasmaVortex]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d418879da&ei=8

[sunwings]

These are very haunting words from the CEO Rush Stockton.

[mizo]

Some updates:

Seems the timeline of running of breathable air has a flexible (ish) some of those aboard could survive longer than expected?:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65981277

Although, I'd thought physically banging on the hull every 30 mins will deplete their air supplies faster, also, it'll increase the carbon dioxide build up.

Also, within the last 30 mins deep underwater drone subs reach sea floor, but other specialist equipment REMOTELY OPERATIVE VEHICLE (THE ROV) called Juliet-a sub that has recently scanned the Titanic wreck, producing a 3D view of the entire ship.

Albeit, The Juliet will take around 60 hours to reach the site of the missing vessel.



Sadly time is running out ...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by PlasmaVortex (here)
I'm going with conspiracy.

Based on what exactly?

The truther community has a hard enough time against the constant barrage of propaganda and counter-intelligence; the last thing we need is bad discernment from within undermining all our efforts. That happens when people rush straight to the conspiracy angle without a single jot of anything to support it, perfect example: see the actual Titanic thread itself.

The only thing that sank this ridiculous death-trap was hubris, arrogance, and rank incompetence, the very thing that sank Titanic in the first place. Oh the irony!