Man, the psychopath. Will nature fight back?

[Bill Ryan]

Friends, this is something I feel extremely strongly about. And it has to be possible that nature on Planet Earth is indeed beginning to fight back.

Long ago, I read a science fiction short story about a newly discovered planet, uninhabited by any intelligent species, that was being colonized by humans. But soon, everything began to go wrong, and an unending sequence of accidents and disasters forced the humans to abandon the planet as being just too dangerous. The theme was that the planet had consciously repelled them, as an immune system repels a parasite or a virus.

(Of course, to some considerable extent this was also the theme of James Cameron's Avatar.)

I'd welcome your views. I do have a little more to say! But I'd love to hear others' contributions first.

[onawah]

I think you probably know my views, Bill, but I don't think it's so much a case of Earth beginning to fight back (though that is true from one perspective) as it is that there are cycles built into the cosmos such as the 12,000 year solar cycles and the accompanying geomagnetic pole reversal which Earth is experiencing now.
There is plenty of credible data about all that which has been regularly presented on the SuspiciousObservers youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@Suspicious0bservers .
And which has been consistently posted here for a few years now:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...s-and-Ice-Ages
You wrote:
"...it has to be possible that nature on Planet Earth is indeed beginning to fight back."
I know that you don't discount that information, so I am a little curious as to why you are referring to the phenomena as something that is just beginning, rather than something that has been repeating regularly for thousands, perhaps millions of years.
Possibly it is a ploy to bring skeptics into the discussion, in which case you can delete this post if it's just going to act as a spoiler.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Friends, this is something I feel extremely strongly about. And it has to be possible that nature on Planet Earth is indeed beginning to fight back.

Long ago, I read a science fiction short story about a newly discovered planet, uninhabited by any intelligent species, that was being colonized by humans. But soon, everything began to go wrong, and an unending sequence of accidents and disasters forced the humans to abandon the planet as being just too dangerous. The theme was that the planet had consciously repelled them, as an immune system repels a parasite or a virus.

(Of course, to some considerable extent this was also the theme of James Cameron's Avatar.)

I'd welcome your views. I do have a little more to say! But I'd love to hear others' contributions first.

[Michel Leclerc]

Two considerations Bill.

One. Man is part of Nature. The survival of the fittest is one of Nature‘s strategies. Psychopathy is also a survival strategy. If “Nature fights back”, it will be Nature fighting part of herself, or man resisting Nature as a way of Nature protecting one of her species.

Two. Spinoza. Ultimate reality and fundamental substance is “Deus sive Natura" (as his Latin phrasing goes): "God, or in other words: Nature”. So if Nature fights psychopathic man, it means that the Divine fights psychopathic Adam Kadmos in cabalistic thinking or Purusha in Indian civilisation i.e. its own emanation. That “It”, the Divine or Nature, would do such a thing is beyond the understanding of the snippets of Purusha we are.

I guess we need to understand that we are part of the "love logic" (which is not binary or ternary or quaternary logic, i.e. rational logic) behind God/Nature emanating Creation. “Love logic” is not as self-contradictory as rationality would prefer. Hence Deus sive Natura (or Dea sive Naturus as I am trying to say at times) may rather love back instead of fighting.

But then, to rephrase your statement, such loving back may very well be quite tough love.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Michel Leclerc (here)
One. Man is part of Nature. The survival of the fittest is one of Nature‘s strategies. Psychopathy is also a survival strategy. If “Nature fights back”, it will be Nature fighting part of herself, or man resisting Nature as a way of Nature protecting one of her species.

I don't think that logic applies. It's actually rather circular. That argument goes:

1. Man is part of nature.
2. If man destroys everything around him, including every other species, his own living environment, and his very own genome, then by definition that's a natural occurrence.
3. Therefore everything's okay. (Or, maybe translated into other language, it's God's Divine Will.)

As best I know and understand, for uncountable millennia past mankind understood with clarity and innate wisdom that he was an integral part of the natural cycle, on which he depended and which he deeply appreciated. Many indigenous people still hold that as true for them today, and that view is not extinct yet.

But Man, the Psychopath may be likened in one or two ways to a rabid dog. A rabid dog is part of nature, too (and it was even long before humans existed) — but rabid dogs in nature don't survive. Nature takes care of the problem, all in her own way.

[Matthew]

Yeah we live on a planet where free water falls from the sky most places, and free food makes itself. Everything else is not Gods fault. How we screwed this up is on us.

[syrwong]

I am not sure if nature/gaia does this habitually like a cow trying to shake off the ticks from its body. One thing is more sure, there are those who disguise as nature doing this, using viruses and the weather to eliminate humans from this earth, in the same way as the Maui fire that evicted the indigenous people from the Island.

In the last 16 hours Hong Kong and Shenzhen have been ravaged by unprecedented rainfall causing extensive flooding. A huge raincloud just sits over Hong Kong, unmoving. Still pouring. Very weird.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oZnkhNC17eY

[Arcturian108]

I have mentioned in another thread somewhere that I was taking seriously the possibility that our Sun would experience a cyclical micronova in the next 20 years, or so. I discussed this with some associates, and we started to have a discussion with our Solar Logos (the God associated with our Sun) about this issue. The Solar Logos told us that a cleansing of the planet will become necessary should we go ahead with the full development of AI. That was several months ago, and there have been no further developments to report.

[Tyy1907]

Maybe another way to say Bill's thoughts would be that natural disasters and extreme weather are mankind's karma circling back.
I would argue have we been allowed to let our ingenuity flourish? Our standards for what's right and true come to the surface and lead? What happens to the leader that wants to avoid wars and stands up for his people and truly represents their best interests? What about this wave of technology that showed up over the last hundred years. Do you want a cell phone that gets info faster and faster?
Do you even want a cell phone?
If humanity was left unhindered we would be flourishing living close to the land in harmony.

[Isserley]

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
...I would argue have we been allowed to let our ingenuity flourish? Our standards for what's right and true come to the surface and lead? What happens to the leader that wants to avoid wars and stands up for his people and truly represents their best interests? What about this wave of technology that showed up over the last hundred years. Do you want a cell phone that gets info faster and faster?
Do you even want a cell phone?
If humanity was left unhindered we would be flourishing living close to the land in harmony.

That is how I see it as well. Question should be - Who made a man a psychopath and why? Who separated him from nature and continues to do so?
Humanity is systematically misdirected. Civilized society was probably created for the purpose of re-educating psychopaths because in tribes that have not been touched by civilization, we do not see this gap between man and nature. I do not believe that things happen by chance or that the human species is inherently psychopathic. I don't want to think that for a second - it's right up to globalists ally - we are not taking care of earth (read carbon footprint) so our numbers should be reduced and heavily controlled..

[9ideon]

Just because the system on this World (and couple others) is run by Psychopaths (or if you want to go Biblical, Demons, soulless ones) does not mean that all are Psychopaths.

The way this system is setup is pretty simple.

The ones with money (introduced to destroy Balance) create a "caste system", in where the central issue is self serving, or self, the I am nonsense.

To stay in power they will have to accept certain People willing to do their bidding, how are these People found? Through the system.

When we are young and start interacting with others, namely at schools, we're pushed into an artificial environment, you will have to become what everybody else is, if you do not you'll be punished by the group. Kids need to fit in, have certain clothes, listen to certain music, like certain People etc.

Now, why most People get mental issues, small or big we all have 'm, as of a young age is because we are not allowed to be who we are, we must comply to something which feels un-natural, thus creating mental issues from young up. Except when you're a Sociopath, when you're a Sociopath you will thrive in this system, simply because your Psyche has no basic personality to speak of, Sociopaths are Chameleons. They're the ones that will take power by lying, becoming successful by deception and so on, have no doubt you're getting what I mean here.

Our system (popularity scheme) is setup for Sociopaths to thrive. Although Sociopaths do know they're wronging People, they do not care, this is what it means when someone says, "He/She sold her Soul". The psychopathic bloodlines can only work their schemes with the help of these Sociopaths. Yes, the system is supplemented with Narcissistic folk as well, they will appear in acting, sports etc, the ones your Kids basically adore. Obviously we have "normal" People in there too, most of them cannot hack how things are done though.

In any case, we Humans are not supposed to be what we are now, in essence, when brought up the right way inside a completely different system, we will care. It is like what I mentioned in one of my threads here, our creative spark is being twisted around and used for destruction instead of creation.

Despite the fact that due to this system most People are lost, does not mean it is their fault.

In that perspective I must say I wholesomely disagree with your title, something tells me that this same title was meant to be a little provocative though,

[onawah]

The solar cycle that causes devastion on Earth happens on a regular, predetermined basis.
I doubt that it is known whether it always happens when mankind has become destructive to the planet, though there is certainly evidence that it has happened before when mankind had sophisticated technology.
The scientifically demonstrable cause of that cycle is based on the work of many scientists from various fields such as astrophysics, astronomy, mathematics and archeology.
The work of the late Dr. Paul la Violette on what he called the Galactic Superwave is a good case in point, though sadly, it was cut short by his death.

His work demonstrated that changes characterized by the Superwave begin periodically in the galactic core and emanate outward through the whole galaxy, gradually affecting every star and planet.
Reports of novas and micronovas continue coming in from nearby space, and are constantly being added to the database.
And the Superwive is getting very near to Earth.

It seems obvious that that is knowledge that the elite do not want the public to be aware of, so scientists are careful about how and what they reveal as they continue publishing their findings, but there are certainly plenty of noteworthy scientists now who are in agreement.
The elite have created distractions like the global warming myth, but as the public's suspicions continue to mount, sources like SuspiciousObservers will be gaining more and more followers.

Therein lies the danger, though the danger is also that the whole "game" is a race against time.
Leading in the race are two main adversaries: the Preppers, and the elite with their DUMBs and their off-world boltholes.
The latter certainly have the advantage when it comes to financial resources, but Preppers have the strength of their faith and community mindedness, determination, and greater resilience.

The micronova could happen as late as the late 2040s by recent predictions (though the pole reversal seems to be accelerating, so that estimate may be too high).
However, the deciding factor may not be so much who survives the Sun's micronova and the pole reversal, but who survives the destruction of the electric grid.
That could easily happen much sooner than the 2040s, because as the Superwave approaches, the protective magentic and ozone layers around the Earth continue to diminish, letting in more dangerous energy from the Sun's flares and CMEs.
This will continue to cause unpredictible and unexpected weather events which will increase in severity and will certainly have an impace on transformers and other electric equipment.
There is also a mini Ice Age predicted to manifest after the micronova, though it is not expected to last very long.

All of this information is available on SuspiciousObservers youtube channel here:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E4pWZGBpWP0

and the playlists here: https://www.youtube.com/@Suspicious0...=dd&shelf_id=3

IMHO.
I present this information as I have numerous times before, not from any particular scientific expertise, but more as an Intuitive, and someone who has studied the research from a broad perspective.
I've taken many sources into account, from psychic Edgar Cayce and ancient prophecies, to archeologist extraordinaire Brian Foerster.
There is also the information from the Vedas concerning the Yugas that is very informative, though controversy exists as to where exactly we are now in that cosmic cycle.
I think, by all the signs, that we are in the end of the Kali Yuga and will be ascending out of that into the next age, characterized by growing Light and Wisdom, though that ascension process takes a very long time
But for all intensive purposes at this point, SuspiciousObservers is the source I recommend the most.

There are some archeologists like Randal Carlson who waver between the comet theory and the solar cycle theory.
Graham Hancock theories are popular, and he is a skilled entertainer, but he is not trained in any field of science that informs him adequately about what causes the periodic cataclysms.
He is still adhering to the comet theory, even though it's been disproven quite convincingly.
Everyone has an opinion, but until an adequate and broad enough amount of research is done, that doesn't count for much.
(The problem with academia is that it tends to give people tunnel vision. )

But then of course, not everyone really wants to know...
Which is understandable because it can cause a lot of drastic changes in one's entire outlook and lifestyle.
That however, is the subject for another discussion....

[happyuk]

I think it's not so much nature fights back but retreats, and in silent mutiny withdraws her support.
In the same as an inveterate drug user eventually loses his immunity, or a selfish employer loses his best workers to a rival company, so it is with nature, when man's actions are no longer in harmony.
The whole time, the joke is on them.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Psychopathy is a kind of psychological and behavioural term; I see things more related to Good and evil terms - these being two sides in a spiritual war between God (who is creator, and our loving parents; and who I regard as Good) and the powers that oppose divine creation - which I call evil.

Evil has taken over all the major institutions (including churches) of the 'Western' world, and indeed beyond; and made them purposively evil in a more and more destructive and negative way - as is most apparent in the increasing domination of inverted values (inversions of virtue and sin, beauty and ugliness, truth and lies, coherence and chaos). And 'the masses' - all around the world - have mostly (and increasingly) gone-along with this top-down change - as was very evident in 2020.

(No major nation has clearly and explicitly repented its actions in 2020, so far as I know; and such recognition and rejection of evil would seem to be a necessary first step.)

Another assumption I have is that the world (reality) is made up of Beings who are alive, conscious and purposive - and this applies to everything: the stars, planets, earth, vegetation, animals... Some of these Beings have taken the side of evil; but many of them have not - and still are aligned with the purposes of divine creation.

The way I therefore interpret the phenomena you describe is that it is - to some significant extent - a situation in which the destructiveness of Men is being resisted by the uncorrupted beings of 'nature'.

At any rate, that is increasingly my response to life: I find the mass of people are worse and worse, both in terms of the ways they choose to understand things and in what they want (so many have embraced fear, lies, resentment - as matters of personal identity); while many aspects of 'nature', where it survives, is an ever-greater contrast; and seems to be a reservoir of goodness.

As Mankind deliberately detaches from nature, from life, from consciousness, from divine purpose... then naturally, inevitably, Mankind will find itself alone and in opposition to the world; and this situation will not be sustainable.

In other words: Mankind will get what it wants.

The solution must be very deep: People must want differently than they at present (mostly) do; and unless such a fundamental reorientation occurs, then self-destruction is inevitable - because desired.

[Harmony]

In James Cameron’s movie "Avatar", the planet Pandora was portrayed as being sentient and the planet’s consciousness connected to all it’s life creations, like organs in one body. So communication between the all was present, at least to a certain extent in the movie, but in reality it is even more profound and goes way beyond the planet itself. Using the analogy of a body and it’s organs, it is easy to know what can happen when that body is not communicating well with “the whole”


Humans are not all psychopaths, of course. Psychopaths tend to be disconnected from the outside world, others feelings and the consequences of their actions and how they affect everything around them and can easily make internal excuses that make believe their actions are ok.


If this is a planet of free will (within set parameters), to show us how we are connected, it seems the consequences of our actions as a whole might look like the situation of the planet Earth we are seeing, a perfect example of disregard, greed and the lack of conscious connection we might call “love” that connects all things. When in the “love” frequency a connection is felt, as with an empathic person and many animals, when they truely feel that pain of the all when it is out of balance. So it is likely our Earth soul would also feel that out of balance frequency and need to correct the balance when it reaches a certain point.


People out of balance are destroying their own home. We sometimes speak of people not being really human any more and possibly being or housing lower entities. Where there is an absence of “love” it may leave a void where lower entities take advantage of some people in a parasitic way, and our intended evolution starts to de-evolve.


So a fail-safe solution would be put in place by source via our higher selves that stay in full conciousness just in case things get out of hand, and that is where we are now.

[palehorse]

Will nature fight back?

Yes. It always does.

Here I am quoting Terrence McKenna from his book "Food of the Gods: The search for the original tree of knowledge".

"What I think happened is that in the world of prehistory all religion was experiential, and it was based on the pursuit of ecstasy through plants. And at some time, very early, a group interposed itself between people and direct experience of the 'Other.' This created hierarchies, priesthoods, theological systems, castes, ritual, taboos. Shamanism, on the other hand, is an experiential science that deals with an area where we know nothing. It is important to remember that our epistemological tools have developed very unevenly in the West. We know a tremendous amount about what is going on in the heart of the atom, but we know absolutely nothing about the nature of the mind."

I highlighted 2 parts in the above quote, but the second one Shamanism I would say not the current Shamanism as we know today, because it falls straight into the first part I highlighted.

Here is the tape recorded in 1995, the day talk was labeled as "A Crisis in Consciousness". This video answers many questions. I always found so much comfort in Terrence talks, when everything seems to be lost, Terrence always gave another angle to look at it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9E5eBqG0cds

The video is 53 minutes long, but I promise you won't waste your time.

[DNA]

I personally am of the opinion that mankind is under the influence of dark forces.
As mankind allowed huge population clusters to be ruled by small numbers geographically removed i.e. the Federal Government our manipulation was made easier.

Dark spiritual forces?
Dark ET?
Both?

I feel man left alone we would have been okay.

[Bill Ryan]

I really do appreciate all the interesting and thoughtful replies. I'd not been too sure whether to post the thread and air these ideas, as they could be interpreted as being too anti-human. I still have many thoughts about all this which I'd like to share later.

(Regarding Man as a Psychopath: the theme of the excellent documentary The Corporation was that corporations exhibit all the signs of being fully psychopathic.
See the recommended Avalon thread: THE CORPORATION: A Powerful & compelling movie. I saw it in a large-screen movie theater in Edinburgh when it was first released in 2003, and I was so impacted that for a full half hour or more after walking out into the street I literally could not speak.)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Long ago, I read a science fiction short story about a newly discovered planet, uninhabited by any intelligent species, that was being colonized by humans. But soon, everything began to go wrong, and an unending sequence of accidents and disasters forced the humans to abandon the planet as being just too dangerous. The theme was that the planet had consciously repelled them, as an immune system repels a parasite or a virus.

I had some fun searching for this. I failed to find the exact story I remembered, but what I did discover was that the idea of over-confident (or arrogant, or unaware) human colonists running into unforeseen problems on a new alien planet has been a very rich Sci-Fi theme.

My Google search was: sci-fi story about a planet that repels human colonists, and it yielded a whole bunch of stories which I'd never heard of before. It turns out that James Cameron's Avatar theme was far from new, and one particularly interesting story was about human colonists encountering a world inhibited by intelligent plants.

[Matthew]

Posted by Matthew (here)
Yeah we live on a planet where free water falls from the sky most places, and free food makes itself. Everything else is not Gods fault. How we screwed this up is on us.

Posted by DNA (here)
I personally am of the opinion that mankind is under the influence of dark forces.
As mankind allowed huge population clusters to be ruled by small numbers geographically removed i.e. the Federal Government our manipulation was made easier.

Dark spiritual forces?
Dark ET?
Both?

I feel man left alone we would have been okay.

Oh yeah... good point well remembered thanks.

We can always be connected to The Spirit of God in an instant, especially each new day. Self reflection, repentance, and personal responsibility does play a part in our healing but not without remembering what you said

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Will nature fight back?

I think it's inevitable. Nature is far more than a clockwork mechanism of 'natural' processes. It has intelligence, it has frequency. If you fail to operate harmoniously -- in balance -- with that frequency, I believe yes, it will react, and self-correct to compensate. Perhaps in the worst case with the total elimination of that which caused the imbalance. It has happened before, and it will happen again.

Cayce on Atlantis:

[christian]

If humans violate nature, if nature is conscious, and if nature has agency of its own, nature will fight back against humans violating it, most certainly in more ways than are currently understood by most people.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KATOYS_iN3w

Lyrics:

Some say it was a warning, some say it was a sign
I was standing right there when it came down from the sky
The way it spoke to us, you felt it from inside
Said it was up to us, up to us to decide

You've become a virus who's killing off its host
We been watching you with all of our eyes
And what you seem to value most

So much potential or so we used to say
Your greed, self-importance and your arrogance
You piss it all away

We heard a cry, we've come to intervene
You will change your ways and you will make amends
Or we will wipe this place clean