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14th December 2023 18:27
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Has anyone here truly healed from *significant* childhood trauma?
Before you reply PLEASE make sure you read this entire post.
When you reply PLEASE state BOTH your ACE and PCE scores so that we have context as to what you experienced.
Although I do not want to downplay anyone's experience, certain childhoods are harder than others. Everyone's input can be valuable but if you are stating what worked for you we NEED to know the generalities of the extent of the hardship you experienced.
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Here is the ACE criteria, each one counts as 1 point:
- Physical, sexual or verbal abuse (1 point for each)
- Physical or emotional neglect (1 point for each)
- Separation or divorce
- A family member with mental illness
- A family member addicted to drugs or alcohol
- A family member who is in prison
- Witnessing a parent being abused
Here is the PCE criteria, each one counts as 1 point:
- The ability to talk with family about feelings.
- The sense that family is supportive during difficult times.
- The enjoyment of participation in community traditions.
- Feeling a sense of belonging in high school.
- Feeling supported by friends.
- Having at least two non-parent adults who genuinely cared.
- Feeling safe and protected by an adult in the home.
It's just a generalist system of classification but for this purpose it works.
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My question for you all:
- Who has BOTH a high ACE score AND a very low or non-existent PCE score?
- How do you function in your day-to-day?
- How did you get to this point?
- How long did it take?
My experience:
I seem to be completely f*cked in the head no matter what I do. My ACE score is between 5 and 7 depending on how you look at it. The compounding issue is that my PCE score is f*cking ZERO baby.
I'm a man, so I'm filled with incessant hatred and anger no matter what I do. I don't get into physical fights and I'm actually quite nice to everyone I talk to in my day-to-day. Mostly because I don't want to incur karmic debt if it ends up existing and because I'm well aware I can just get punched and hit the pavement and have to suffer as a vegetable for the rest of my life which would be worse.
I am TIRED. I am TIRED of this existence. I am tired of my constant negative emotions. I have put so much goddamn time and effort into this sh*t and I make NO long-term progress unless I disassociate (which isn't progress).
Please, please do not write a general reply telling me to stay in the present moment, explaining that it doesn't serve me to have negative emotions, "get help", exercise, eat healthy, stuff like that. I am aware of all of this. I've read all of the books, I'm aware trauma is stored in the body, I'm aware of all of this. I do the work. I am probably way f*cking healthier than you (despite cigarettes which I seem to constantly come back to because it is the only thing that tames my rage and anger despite the fact I can feel it actively killing me).
I feel like I am a slave to my flesh and my flesh is completely corrupted. It's been years and years and years of work and work and work and I make so little genuine progress. What's the end goal here? Feel neutrally OK when I'm f*cking 50? 70? I had six months of stone cold sobriety and celibacy under my belt. I was able to control every single thought I had. I was in my room and it dawned on me that this was the kingdom of heaven described in the Bible. Couple weeks later, BAM! I suddenly need to change my schedule slightly and EVERYTHING FALLS APART. ANY PROGRESS I MAKE IS ALWAYS TEMPORARY.
Not looking for general advice from the masses. If you don't state your ACE and PCE scores I am just going to ignore and block you. "Blah blah, wow he's so angry and unkind, I have so much to offer!" You probably do, for people who can relate to you. The thing is, I'm absolutely so sick of people who didn't experience as bad of a life as me thinking they understand. You do not. Similar to how I cannot even fathom what it is like to be a survivor of satanic child abuse a la Cathy O'Brien. I read something that said "If these people could experience my thoughts for a day, they would fold." Genuinely, everything is relative of course, but yeah, I don't even know what the end of this sentence is.
Please, if anyone is in a similar boat, please be specific. I look at the cPTSD subreddit. The prognosis is not good. Those people are the only people I can relate to. Many go to therapy for decades and decades and... still feel terrible all of the time.
I need to know how to eradicate these completely ridiculous incessant negative emotions. This is a cry for help. I do everything. I journal. I write down every negative memory as soon as it comes up as Cathy O'Brien recommends. The issue is it makes me so angry that I throw my notebook at the wall. It's f*cking involuntary man. I don't want to be like this. I'm like a feral cat, literally. I look back through my notebook. I've written down the same things many times. I've tried recapitulation as described be Castaneda. No. Dice. I have no friends. I do have a girlfriend probably just because I'm insanely attractive for some reason but IT IS NOT FAIR TO HER, I AM CONSTANTLY IN A TERRIBLE MOOD. Hilarious actually. I've had people say "man if I just looked like you everything would be alright". Not really bro. Maybe you could f*ck some vapid whores more easily.
Overall I am looking for specific exercises related to childhood that would somehow allow me to get past this. I cannot function as an adult because I did not have a childhood. This post probably makes no sense and I probably sound like a dick, just going to hit the post button. I also probably won't check this for quite a while because I'm f*cking embarassed to even be writing it but NOTHING IS WORKING, I AM CONSUMED WITH ANGER, HATRED, RAGE, DEPRESSION, AND ANXIETY EVERY SINGLE DAY NO MATTER HOW MUCH WORK I DO OR WHAT MY EXTERNAL LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES LOOK LIKE, IT ALWAYS SLINGSHOTS BACK TO ROCK BOTTOM, HOW DO YOU *****GENUINELY****** MOVE PAST THIS WITHOUT DELUDING YOURSELF OR DISASSOCIATING????????????????????????????????????????????????? I could edit this post to sound more normal but I'm not going to, I actually already have edited it quite a bit to try to sound less crazy, what you read is probably 20% severity of what I feel ALL THE TIME, a life of drugs and disassociation is so f*cking lame man, but it's the only thing that has actually worked, OK now I'm actually just going to hit the post button
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14th December 2023 18:34
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Re: Has anyone here truly healed from *significant* childhood trauma?
My bad on the double post just want to quickly rant about such a common theme I hear discussed. "Just feel the feelings! Stop suppressing them!" LOL I do this and I am sent into a blind rage and completely out of control of my actions. Anger and hatred and such IS NOT ACCEPTED BY OTHERS, obviously I don't f*cking blame them, they're aggressive emotions unlike sadness, despair, etc. but I NEEEEEED to suppress ALLLL of the emotions I feel every single day every single hour just to be remotely accepted by society, not in jail, and maintain this one relationship I have. The other night I slammed a couple doors and my girlfriend got really f*cking mad because she got scared!! I DON'T BLAME HER!!!! BUT ON MY END, I HAD THE EMOTIONS SUCCESSFULLY REPRESSED FOR HOURS, THEN THEY SLIPPED FOR A SPLIT SECOND, AND I'M A BAD BAD MAN!!!! WHAT'S THE SOLUTION HERE PEOPLE???? I'M SO TIRED OF THIS! IT IS A RESULT OF STUFF DONE TO ME WHEN I WAS A HELPLESS CHILD!!!!!!!! I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THIS!!!!! INTRINSICALLY I AM NOT LIKE THIS, BUT I FEEL COMPLETELY ENSLAVED TO MY CORRUPTED FLESH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could edit but not going to
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14th December 2023 20:26
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