NeiKung - amazing demonstration of Chi

[witchy1]

I am not sure if anyone here has come across this man from Java/Borneo. Through a specific type of meditation is able to undertake amazing things. He says we can all do this. His power is achieved through meditation alone. This yt vid shows simply incredible feats:

heal the body through creating a powerful yin (looks like electricity) you can see muscles twitching
can light up a small bulb - LED
catch newspaper on fire
poke a chopstick thru formica wood. The splinters caused bleeding in others around the table.
Move things with his mind alone.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8

Following the creation of this video his master reappeared to him during the night and he was told off. Therefore he has disappeared from sight.

If anyone has info on him.......please post.

[bluestflame]

was told he was showing off and someone got hurt that's when he withdrew from public

[witchy1]

Yes, blue at the end of the vid he says why he had to disappear. Have you seen him before? This is the first I have ever come across him (or anyone like him)
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[bluestflame]

has his own site
"This video shows Sifu John Chang demonstrating the real powers of Chi. He aparently does this by creating a battery of yang energy that is stored in his dantain. He then mixes this with yin energy to create a form of electricity. you deside..."
http://wn.com/john_chang__nei_kung

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ask Astrid , she was one that showed me vid ...I already "knew" inside these things are real

seeing it i feel stuff familiar yet not yet accessible

[bearcow]

yes know quite a bit about him, know some of his former students, and have studied with other masters who have the same power. it is all real. ask any question you like and i will answer it to the best of my ability

[bearcow]

Move things with his mind alone.

It is incorrect to say that he moves things with his mind alone. Through his training, he has packed a tremendous amount of chi into his field, just 3%-5% of his power can easily kill a man. It is that incredible energy reserve that allows him to do the amazing feats as seen in the videos. He manipulates his energy to be yin dominant or yang dominant in order to create various phenomena.

[Jetsam]

Posted by bearcow (here)
It is incorrect to say that he moves things with his mind alone. Through his training, he has packed a tremendous amount of chi into his field, just 3%-5% of his power can easily kill a man. It is that incredible energy reserve that allows him to do the amazing feats as seen in the videos. He manipulates his energy to be yin dominant or yang dominant in order to create various phenomena.

Hello,

Is he aware (or others like him...) of the chi flowing through their bodies (and outer fields)?
Is there a way to "master" those energies? I've seen a documentary once about a kung fu monastery which was unbelievable, but I think it's very difficult to get to that state of awareness in a western country.

Any opinons?

Greetings

[bearcow]

Is he aware (or others like him...) of the chi flowing through their bodies (and outer fields)?

Yes, you cannot really do the training unless you develop some sensitivity to your own energy field, the further you progress in the training, generally speaking, the easier it is to be aware of the subtle differences and changes in your own energy field as you progress.

Is there a way to "master" those energies?

Yes, that's what the training is for

The end result of this training is the same as Buddhist Vajrayana practice.

[witchy1]

Hi bearcow, thanks for your input. It appears of the few westerners taken for training none really never made it and all left. Jim McMillan at level 2 did an audio on the website Blu provided. There are 72 levels and Neikung is at level 7 or 8 (if I remember rightly) and it is reported on 2 people ever have reached 72 - Nirvana. His master got to Level 32.
My quick questions, are there books or websites devoted to this form of meditation Mo Pai
Is Mo Pai the same as Qi Gong
He spoke of the Matilda people on the video as being where he learnt it...... but I cannot find them. Any ideas on this
How do you release and control the chi built up to do what you want it to. Is this the dentain development he speaks of where you put your chi into it then release it?
Of some interest is the fact that those who learn this way for purposes other than good develop very nasty conditions and cannot continue. Intersting I thought.

[bearcow]

are there books or websites devoted to this form of meditation Mo Pai

yes

http://www.amazon.com/Magus-Java-Tea...6168546&sr=8-1


there is not much in the book on how to do it, best to read the book first and ask more questions and then decide if your still interested.

Book is a great read if nothing else

Is Mo Pai the same as Qi Gong

No, mo pai is the linage name of the line of masters that john chang is a part of. It comes from China. There are many different Lineages in China that have created masters of great ability, some have virtually the same abilities and training methods of Mo Pai, Some are quite different.

How do you release and control the chi built up to do what you want it to. Is this the dentain development he speaks of where you put your chi into it then release it?

To answer the question in a technical sense is quite difficult unless you have a background in taoist terminology. But when you move your arm around to pick up an object, you just do it, you dont think about how to do it. The power is a part of him, he can use it like you use your arm.

Of some interest is the fact that those who learn this way for purposes other than good develop very nasty conditions and cannot continue. Intersting I thought.

There is no prerequisite on being a nice guy in order to have this power. You can be a Rat Bastard and be much more powerful than John Chang. Karma plays itself out in mysterious ways. Stillness and will power are the two primary ingredients. This is part of the reason why these masters shun the limelight.

[witchy1]

Thank you so very much bearcow (in your cubbyhole)

I sense from your words that there is much to tell, and not only about this subject.........hmmmmm.

[bearcow]

https://youtube.com/user/rvencu#p/a/u/2/ZYQXw4fQCsY

Posted this link on another thread but will re-post so all this info is in the same place

https://youtube.com/user/rvencu#p/a/u/1/GlNtvnu1Z0g

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by witchy1 (here)
Following the creation of this video his master reappeared to him during the night and he was told off.

This is sometimes known as a psychic slap.

Charles experienced such a slap from his master after his "I am Charles" post here. (Not for the revelation itself, but - apparently - for the manner in which he presented himself.)

[Agape]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
was told he was showing off and someone got hurt that's when he withdrew from public

Yes it's said in the Buddhist cannon that one among the most severe misdeeds is to cause the Tathagata bleed, similar like killing your own Mother ..and so on..

But i've to say that i've seen that things like that happen..

to me and others as well.


Hope this is not baring anyone here for i'm not in touch with my former meditation group here ..
but when I've returned from India I gave them few lessons as required ,

and reported the Bodhgaya events about the Spaceship and e.t. human origins .

And one lady who sat there had suddenly rapture in her cheek and we saw a stream of blood running down. It was rather funny, it probably did not hurt her or did it, i do not know.

I've seen few people going from normal to utterly mad state of mind in that Bodhgaya itself and you could not get out of them, what has happened .


Curiously, 2 such friends approached me for help and became tied to me and had hard times to shake them off . I could not help them much.

People can be healed if they pray and ask for healing..


It's said that anyone can get enlightened in one Life Time if they try..




Peace

[Nomatic]

In order to achieve the functions shown It is required to Integrate Mind, Body, and Qi into a single thing. For this to manifest one must rewire the physical container (body/meridians). 2. increase the function and energy output of all the yin organs.
3. upgrade the nervous system. There are a few ways to do this but the main requirement is typically an intact lineage where the Master sends the software information to the student and then the student applies the method. Without the lead Qi of the teacher It is very difficult to be successful as the mind has no subtle level map. Beware of learning through books alone! The questions to ask are how does one change the container? How do I stimulate organ function and Qi output? How do I combine the energy safely? Many study spiritual level meditation techniques without upgrading the body as these parts are sometimes lost or hidden. The key is to start where we ended up on this physical level and build a foundation upon which to construct our temple.

[bearcow]

Mo Pai still exists. John Chang is no longer the head of the school. His deceased master put John Chang's eldest student in charge. Unfortunately, this gentleman has not achieved the Tai Ji, and cannot create the observable manifestations of power that John can. Also this man is 70+ years old, so time is running out for him.

[greybeard]

There was an aspiring disciple who wanted to impress his master
He learned many things out with the masters teaching,
To cut a long story short eventually he had something to really impress the enlightened one, he walked on water,
The master shruged and said you wasted all these years learning to walk on water, I take the boat.

Moral of the story is that the disciple neglected the inward path to get the answer to the question "Who am I?"

When the Kingdom of heaven is found (That is a state called Enlightenment or Christ consciousness, Buddhahood) you have the diploma you leave this university for higher realms you are an ascended master.
Walking on water Ha! that can happen naturally as part of Christ consciousness but seeking it is a waste of time as you will have to come back again to learn humility.

As part of learning to do Bio-energy therapy we a students learned that it was possible to pull the "Client" of their feet from distance of 15 feet away.

Most could but there had to be some sensitivity to chi on the part of the "client" also.
Our teacher was a student of martial arts and taught us QuiGong as part of our intensive training.

Chris

http://www.daltonsbio.com/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kn2LndCLcNk

[bearcow]

In order to achieve the functions shown It is required to Integrate Mind, Body, and Qi into a single thing

This is loose definition of what jing is. Qi must be turned into jing.

For this to manifest one must rewire the physical container (body/meridians)

Not rewire the meridians, have chi flow though them in the correct way. If this is done the body will fix itself, the bone marrow will regenerate and support optimum health

increase the function and energy output of all the yin organs

To gain this type of power the the yin organs should not be developed at the beginning. If they are developed too much at a early stage, it will actually be detrimental. However there are other taoist schools that develop yin capability as much as possible.

Beware of learning through books alone!

I agree, there is no book out there that i know of that i would recommend in terms of technique

The questions to ask are how does one change the container?

Not change the container, fill the container

[Nomatic]

Posted by bearcow (here)
This is loose definition of what jing is. Qi must be turned into jing.

(Actually Jing to Qi, Qi to Shen, Shen To spirit as I was told as far as the entire goal)


Not rewire the meridians, have chi flow though them in the correct way. If this is done the body will fix itself, the bone marrow will regenerate support optimum health

(I would say we don't disagree but this is a matter of semantics. How I was taught is that by certain methods we can expand the meridians I.E. like lamp cord to 440 wire if you will.
we need this to support the energy produced by organs with upgraded function.)


To gain this type of power the the yin organs should not be developed at the beginning. If they are developed too much at a early stage, it will actually be detrimental. However there are other taoist schools that develop yin capability as much as possible.

(If one challenges the internal organs by certain means the Qi unblock the channels and dumps the excess into the system where needed to repair and balance. I respectfully disagree....I.E. if work is done to stimulate Liver and spleen function first
this is where life starts and starts the process of building post natal Qi.)



I agree, there is no book out there that i know of that i would recommend in terms of technique



Not change the container, fill the container

(If You do not change the container before filling it will leak. Also it is beneficial to seal the container after each level.)

[bearcow]

Actually Jing to Qi, Qi to Shen, Shen To spirit as I was told....

In other schools who's aims are different this is essentially correct. this school does not concern itself with shen. Refinement of the vessel in this school is not taught, this is part of the reason why John Chang has no successful students.

I would say we don't disagree but this is a matter of semantics. How I was taught is that by certain methods we can expand the meridians I.E. like lamp cord to 440 wire if you will.
we need this to support the energy produced by organs with upgraded function.

That works

If one challenges the internal organs by certain means the Qi unblock the channels and dumps the excess into the system where needed to repair and balance. I respectfully disagree....I.E. if work is done to stimulate Liver and spleen function first
this is where life starts and starts the process of building post natal Qi.

Yes, there are quite a few ways to do this, alchemical pills, 5 organ theory, Im sure many others but Mo pai does none of this. Another reason why students are not successful in Mo Pai.

If You do not change the container before filling it will leak. Also it is beneficial to seal the container after each level.

Unless you are a saint, with complete equanimity, you will leak some Jing, I agree that refinement of the container is wise in whatever path a person takes, but is difficult to get the desired results unless some power is built up first.

Good to have some healthy debate!