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    Heart breaking ! Thank you !

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    firstly i do not think it is helpful to call the unaware sheep. they may be somnambulists but a pejorative term does nothing to help them wake up. i have seen this coming. This is 1991 over again. One card falls and all crash down. Eastern Europe became "free". The western powers have invested all there wealth in propping up tight dictatorships in these so-called 3rd world economies, one has to ask why? As they fall across the Globe, and they will, what next? A vacuum of power? Who will save them? I think we know who will offer salvation...

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    as a curiosity would be ideal time to do some pyramid related activities largely unnoticed amidst the confusion

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    Protesters back on Egypt streets
    Protesters in Egypt are calling for "regime change, not cabinet change", our correspondent said [GALLO/GETTY] Protesters are returning to the streets of Egypt, following violent overnight demonstrations across the country staged in defiance of a curfew.
    Demonstrators gathered in Tahrir Square in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, on Saturday morning, shouting "Go away, go away!", the Reuters news agency said.
    Similar crowds were gathering in the cities of Alexandria and Suez, Al Jazeera's correspondents reported.
    In Alexandria, our correspondent Rawya Rageh reported that dozens of marchers were calling on Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak to step down.


    "They are calling for regime change, not cabinet change," Rageh said.
    In Suez, Al Jazeera's Jamal ElShayyal reported that protesters were gathering, and that the military was not confronting them.
    ElShayyal quoted a military officer as saying that troops would "not fire a single bullet on Egyptians", regardless of where the orders to do so come from.


    The latest protests reflected popular discontent with Mubarak's midnight address, where he announced that he was dismissing his government but remaining in power.


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    as a curiosity would be ideal time to do some pyramid related activities largely unnoticed amidst the confusion
    Acouple of years ago, maybe. Now? no. they just do that in day light and have nothing to hide, such is their contemned for the people.
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    Thanks for all this irishspirit - Some wears ago I had a hunch that a vast Muslim 'empire of thought' was in the offing. Right across North Africa, through Egypt and the Middle East, into the Balkan Muslim areas, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Central Asia and the ex-Soviet Muslim states and right to the North West of China, where the Uighurs have beeb suppressed. There are plenty of divisions of course within that list of course but ...
    A momentum is building.
    It is complicated - perhaps softened perhaps hardened (difficult to know) by the now large Muslim populations in many Western states. Personally I don't object to anyone praying five times a day, going as pilgrims to Mecca and believing the basic Muslim tenets. But I do fear the cultural and fundamentalist attitudes to women, to 'non-believers', to personal freedoms etc.

    Yesterday I dropped off to sleep (as old guys do, sitting in chairs) and woke up with a voice speaking to me from inside me saying:'The world is changing'.

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    Absolutely wonderful thread irishspirit .A lot of information right at our fingertips. No need to have to search. This information is what we need at this point in our game to overcome what has been put before us. It looks like a revolt is happening around the world and it is against those who have caused our enslavement. Nothing we can fight about because the proof is right there in links, writing, and videos. I have been on this thread since getting up. Thanks again. Emma
    Best thread I have been on so far.

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    So many protesters so little strategy.

    Ever notice the enforcers never seem to be challenged from the rear or their flanks?

    The Romans picked a little corner so that Queen Boadiceas' vastly larger Celtic army could not outflank them.

    Spartans did something similar to the Persians at Thermopylae (narrow pass on a cliff).....until a rat showed the Persians a mountain pass that allowed them access to the Spartans rear. Game over!

    These baton and shield guys are a force to contend with head on for sure. If they had to deal with multiple angles their true colors or color would show.

    This is not about dropping anybody, it is about producing the psychology the creates a rout. All bets are off with air involved but infantry has a lot to do with strategy, especially with superior numbers on familiar terrain.

    That bridge could have made for a cowards sandwich.

    Hope somebody gets them the word. People can really win this thing in a morally superior way. Count coup on them and show them mercy.

    (Looks behind his shoulder to make sure he is safe at the keyboard in his bedroom as he opines to people in harms way)

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    Irishspirit

    Thanks for all the work you've put into this - this is indeed an awakening, and it's worldwide. The grievances of people in Tunisia and Egypt are not so different from those of people in the Western world - people forced to revolt against the tyranny of continued exploitation by their 'leaders'. I have a hard job not sneering at people like Hilary Clinton pontificating about justice and freedom - how would the justified American, English, French revolts be handled by the governments there? Answer - violently and efficiently.

    The slavery of human beings may appear less extreme in Europe/USA than those in the Middle East, but is none the less slavery. We're now at a point where people can't ignore it any longer. And the Internet/phone server blackout in Egypt which seems to shock many is no different from that imposed by Israel when they drive tanks against schoolchildren in Gaza, or sow landmines all over Lebanon. What was said about that, other than in the 'alternative' media?

    Another thought is this - the police used to quell these uprisings are in the great majority brothers, fathers, cousins of the people they're being sent to beat into submission - simply to ensure a pittance and 'job security' - can their hearts be in their work? I don't think so - they're governed by fear, but the moment must come when they're faced with the inevitable realisation that they're fighting themselves.

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    Quote Fructedor

    Another thought is this - the police used to quell these uprisings are in the great majority brothers, fathers, cousins of the people they're being sent to beat into submission - simply to ensure a pittance and 'job security' - can their hearts be in their work? I don't think so - they're governed by fear, but the moment must come when they're faced with the inevitable realisation that they're fighting themselves.
    Your last point is why I stressed not harming the enforcers, they are caught in the same web we are. Good strategy would just push their fight mode into flight mode.

    We can all have lunch later, food shortages permitting.

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    Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising


    The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.


    The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

    On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.


    The secret document in full

    He has already been arrested by Egyptian security in connection with the demonstrations and his identity is being protected by The Daily Telegraph.

    The crisis in Egypt follows the toppling of Tunisian president Zine al-Abedine Ben Ali, who fled the country after widespread protests forced him from office.



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-uprising.html

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    Military confrontation between Cambodia, Thai near temple continues


    PHNOM PENH, Jan. 29 (Xinhua) -- The military confrontation between Cambodian and Thai troops over the border area near Preah Vihear temple continues on Saturday and troops on both sides are still on high alert, said a close military source standby at the area.


    "We're still on high alert to defend our territorial integrity, " a senior officer, who asked not to be named, said on Saturday.


    Thai side has stepped up their troops on their border side; they attempted to bring their Thai flag to fly at Cambodia's Keo Sikha Kiri Svarak pagoda near Preah Vihear temple, he said.
    "We have warned Thai troops in advance already, if they dare to enter Cambodian territory, Cambodia will use self-defense rights to protect our sovereignty and territorial integrity," he said.
    Cambodian Ministry of Defense on Friday has dispatched dozens of tanks and fighting vehicles as well as missiles and ammunition to Preah Vihear temple area. He said that those armaments have arrived at Preah Vihear temple on Saturday morning.


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    Thousands of anti-government protesters have returned to the streets in Egypt as President Hosni Mubarak refuses to quit.


    Demonstrators in Cairo chanted "go away, go away" just hours after the president fired his cabinet in a bid to quell the unrest.
    Ministers met this morning to formally submit their resignations but the move appears unlikely to dull the violent clashes.
    A plea by the army urging people not to gather in groups and obey the curfew was being ignored as protesters also met in Alexandria, Suez, Ismailia and Damanhour.
    They have vowed to continue rioting across the country despite dozens already being killed and thousands wounded.
    Mr Mubarak, 82, is refusing to stand down and instead ordered the army into the capital overnight to try and regain control.
    Mr Mubarak said in his address he was 'working for the people'
    Cairo and along the Nile was a scene of devastation with the ruling party's headquarters set alight and still burning today.
    Demonstrators ignored a curfew and stayed on the streets. Daybreak revealed ransacked shops and burnt-out buildings.

    Read the Foreign Office advice warning of travel to Egyptian hot spots.


    They are now into their fifth day of protests against Mr Mubarak's ailing 30-year regime, which comes after riots in Tunisia.
    The president has appealed for a dialogue to avert further chaos but there is little sign his message is having any effect.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor..._Quell_Unrest_

    IRISH COMMENTS: Look at that mans eyes, he looks evil. God, I hope this does not get any worse for the people and police down there.

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    Egypt's state TV says the Cabinet has resigned due to demands made by President Hosni Mubarak. Earlier the parliament speaker said he expected the move to be made within hours. (Elior Levy)

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...020654,00.html

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    Egypt banished from Chinese Twitter
    Beijing blocks searches for "Egypt" from microblogging site following protests there.


    China has blocked the word "Egypt'' from the country's wildly popular Twitter-like service, while coverage of the political turmoil has been tightly restricted in state media.
    China's ruling Communist Party is sensitive to any potential source of social unrest.
    A search for "Egypt'' on the Sina microblogging service brings up a message saying, "According to relevant laws, regulations and policies, the search results are not shown".


    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...712140318.html
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    Right now watching al jazeera that is the most in depth and thoughtful source so far as my wife and I know.

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    The Protest Movement in Egypt: "Dictators" do not Dictate, They Obey Orders
    by Michel Chossudovsky

    The Mubarak regime could collapse in the a face of a nationwide protest movement... What prospects for Egypt and the Arab World?

    "Dictators" do not dictate, they obey orders. This is true in Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria.

    Dictators are invariably political puppets. Dictators do not decide.

    President Hosni Mubarak was a faithful servant of Western economic interests and so was Ben Ali.

    The national government is the object of the protest movement.

    The objective is to unseat the puppet rather than the puppet-master.

    The slogans in Egypt are "Down with Mubarak, Down with the Regime". No anti-American posters have been reported... The overriding and destructive influence of the USA in Egypt and throughout the Middle East remains unheralded.

    The foreign powers which operate behind the scenes are shielded from the protest movement.

    No significant political change will occur unless the issue of foreign interference is meaningfully addressed by the protest movement.

    The US embassy in Cairo is an important political entity, invariably overshadowing the national government. The Embassy is not a target of the protest movement.

    In Egypt, a devastating IMF program was imposed in 1991 at the height of the Gulf War. It was negotiated in exchange for the annulment of Egypt's multibillion dollar military debt to the US as well as its participation in the war. The resulting deregulation of food prices, sweeping privatisation and massive austerity measures led to the impoverishment of the Egyptian population and the destabilization of its economy. The Mubarak government was praised as a model "IMF pupil".

    The role of Ben Ali's government in Tunisia was to enforce the IMF's deadly economic medicine, which over a period of more than twenty years served to destabilize the national economy and impoverish the Tunisian population. Over the last 23 years, economic and social policy in Tunisia has been dictated by the Washington Consensus.

    Both Hosni Mubarak and Ben Ali stayed in power because their governments obeyed and effectively enforced the diktats of the IMF.

    From Pinochet and Videla to Baby Doc, Ben Ali and Mubarak, dictators have been installed by Washington. Historically in Latin America, dictators were instated through a series of US sponsored military coups. In todays World, they are installed through "free and fair elections" under the surveillance of the "international community".

    Our message to the protest movement:

    Actual decisions are taken in Washington DC, at the US State Department, at the Pentagon, at Langley, headquarters of the CIA. at H Street NW, the headquarters of the World Bank and the IMF.

    The relationship of "the dictator" to foreign interests must be addressed. Unseat the political puppets but do not forget to target the "real dictators".

    The protest movement should focus on the real seat of political authority; it should target the US embassy, the delegation of the European Union, the national missions of the IMF and the World Bank.

    Meaningful political change can only be ensured if the neoliberal economic policy agenda is thrown out.

    Regime Replacement

    If the protest movement fails to address the role of foreign powers including pressures exerted by "investors", external creditors and international financial institutions, the objective of national sovereignty will not be achieved. In which case, what will occur is a narrow process of "regime replacement", which ensures political continuity.

    "Dictators" are seated and unseated. When they are politically discredited and no longer serve the interests of their US sponsors, they are replaced by a new leader, often recruited from within the ranks of the political opposition.

    In Tunisia, the Obama administration has already positioned itself. It intends to play a key role in the "democratization program" (i.e. the holding of so-called fair elections). It also intends to use the political crisis as a means to weaken the role of France and consolidate its position in North Africa:

    "The United States, which was quick to size up the groundswell of protest on the streets of Tunisia, is trying to press its advantage to push for democratic reforms in the country and further afield.

    The top-ranking US envoy for the Middle East, Jeffrey Feltman, was the first foreign official to arrive in the country after president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali was ousted on January 14 and swiftly called for reforms. He said on Tuesday only free and fair elections would strengthen and give credibility to the north African state's embattled leadership.

    "I certainly expect that we'll be using the Tunisian example" in talks with other Arab governments, Assistant Secretary of State Feltman added.

    He was dispatched to the north African country to offer US help in the turbulent transition of power, and met with Tunisian ministers and civil society figures.

    Feltman travels to Paris on Wednesday to discuss the crisis with French leaders, boosting the impression that the US is leading international support for a new Tunisia, to the detriment of its former colonial power, France. ...

    Western nations had long supported Tunisia's ousted leadership, seeing it as a bulwark against Islamic militants in the north Africa region.

    In 2006, the then US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, speaking in Tunis, praised the country's evolution.

    US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton nimbly stepped in with a speech in Doha on January 13 warning Arab leaders to allow their citizens greater freedoms or risk extremists exploiting the situation.

    "There is no doubt that the United States is trying to position itself very quickly on the good side,..." " AFP: US helping shape outcome of Tunisian uprising emphasis added

    Will Washington be successful in instating a new puppet regime?

    This very much depends on the ability of the protest movement to address the insidious role of the US in the country's internal affairs.

    The overriding powers of empire are not mentioned. In a bitter irony, president Obama has expressed his support for the protest movement.

    Many people within the protest movement are led to believe that president Obama is committed to democracy and human rights, and is supportive of the opposition's resolve to unseat a dictator, which was installed by the US in the first place.

    Cooptation of Opposition Leaders

    The cooptation of the leaders of major opposition parties and civil society organizations in anticipation of the collapse of an authoritarian puppet government is part of Washington's design, applied in different regions of the World.

    The process of cooptation is implemented and financed by US based foundations including the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and Freedom House (FH). Both FH and the NED have links to the US Congress. the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the US business establishment. Both the NED and FH are known to have ties to the CIA.

    The NED is actively involved in Tunisia, Egypt and Algeria. Freedom House supports several civil society organizations in Egypt.

    "The NED was established by the Reagan administration after the CIA’s role in covertly funding efforts to overthrow foreign governments was brought to light, leading to the discrediting of the parties, movements, journals, books, newspapers and individuals that received CIA funding. ... As a bipartisan endowment, with participation from the two major parties, as well as the AFL-CIO and US Chamber of Commerce, the NED took over the financing of foreign overthrow movements, but overtly and under the rubric of “democracy promotion.” (Stephen Gowans, January « 2011 "What's left"

    While the US has supported the Mubarak government for the last thirty years, US foundations with ties to the US State department and the Pentagon have actively supported the political opposition including the civil society movement. According to Freedom House: "Egyptian civil society is both vibrant and constrained. There are hundreds of non-governmental organizations devoted to expanding civil and political rights in the country, operating in a highly regulated environment." (Freedom House Press Releases).

    In a bitter irony, Washington supports the Mubarak dictatorship, including its atrocities, while also backing and financing its detractors, through the activities of FH, the NED, among others.

    Under the auspices of Freedom House, Egyptian dissidents and opponents of Hosni Mubarak were received in May 2008 by Condoleezza Rice at the State Department and the US Congress. They also met White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, who was "the principal White House foreign policy adviser" during George W. Bush's second term.

    Freedom House’s effort to empower a new generation of advocates has yielded tangible results and the New Generation program in Egypt has gained prominence both locally and internationally. Egyptian visiting fellows from all civil society groups received [May 2008] unprecedented attention and recognition, including meetings in Washington with US Secretary of State, the National Security Advisor, and prominent members of Congress. In the words of Condoleezza Rice, the fellows represent the "hope for the future of Egypt."

    Freedom House, http://www.freedomhouse.org/template...=66&program=84 (emphasis added).

    Political Double Talk: Chatting with "Dictators", Mingling with "Dissidents"

    The Egyptian pro-democracy delegation to the State Department was described by Condoleezza Rice as "The Hope for the Future of Egypt".

    In May 2009, Hillary Clinton met a delegation of Egyptian dissidents, several of which had met Condoleezza Rice a year earlier. These high level meetings were held a week prior to Obama's visit to Egypt:

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praised the work of a group of Egyptian civil society activists she met with today and said it was in Egypt’s interest to move toward democracy and to exhibit more respect for human rights.

    The 16 activists met with Clinton and Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman in Washington at the end of a two-month fellowship organized by Freedom House’s New Generation program.

    The fellows raised concern about what they perceived as the United States government distancing itself from Egyptian civil society and called on President Obama to meet with young independent civil society activists when he visits Cairo next week. They also urged the Obama administration to continue to provide political and financial support to Egyptian civil society and to help open the space for nongovernmental organizations which is tightly restricted under Egypt’s longstanding emergency law.

    The fellows told Clinton that momentum was already building in Egypt for increased civil and human rights and that U.S. support at this time was urgently needed. They stressed that civil society represents a moderate and peaceful “third way” in Egypt, an alternative to authoritarian elements in the government and those that espouse theocratic rule. (Freedom House, May 2009)

    During their fellowship, the activists spent a week in Washington receiving training in advocacy and getting an inside look at the way U.S. democracy works. After their training, the fellows were matched with civil society organizations throughout the country where they shared experiences with U.S. counterparts. The activists will wrap up their program ... by visiting U.S. government officials, members of Congress, media outlets and think tanks." (Freedom House, May 2009, emphasis added)

    These opposition civil society groups --which are currently playing an important role in the protest movement-- are supported and funded by the US. They indelibly serve US interests.

    The invitation of Egyptian dissidents to the State Department and the US Congress also purports to instil a feeling of commitment and allegiance to American democratic values. America is presented as a model of Freedom and Justice. Obama is upheld as a "Role Model".

    More at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=22993

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    Interesting. So there is dissent spreading quickly right now and all of these nations are islamic.

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    Protests Spread To Saudi Arabia

    Quote While the biggest threat to the Middle East region is the possibility that the population of Saudi Arabia may try to imitate what has been happening in the area, thereby bringing total chaos to the established regional geopolitical and more importantly, energy, structure, the first protests in the Saudi Arabia city of Jeddah are already in the books. The clip below shows the peaceful demonstrations that have taken place recently, which as Fedupmontrealer explains are "taking place in front of the Municipality in protest of the severe lack of infrastructure, and corruption, that led the city to be inundated this week causing billions of dollars of damages for the second time in two years." That this is even occurring in a state where the average wealth is orders of magnitude greater than in Egypt is remarkable. On the other hand, we expect more news such as those from yeserday that Kuwait is paying its citizens $3,500 plus free food for a year to keep calm. Oddly, visions of money dropping helicopters, infinitely extendable unemployment insurance and tax breaks keep dancing in our head. Those who wish to follows the latest developments out of Jedda which appears could be the lightning rod for Saudi riots can do so by tracking #JeddahProtests on Twitter.

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    You can throw Sudan in the mix. The world is revolting! Link

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    I see the puppet.........but where is the puppet master?

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    Quote Posted by Charlie Pecos (here)
    I see the puppet.........but where is the puppet master?
    within US,UK,France and Germany and probaly elsewhere

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