there are no chem trails, nasa says so, look they are con trails (lol)

[stegosaur]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by stegosaur (here)
In picture 5, if they're changing water content to alter the center of gravity why are the barrels only in the front of the plane, and not in the back or all along the length of the plane? Instead there are rows and rows of what looks like servers?

Most passengers sit where the 'servers' are so it seems like they'd want to model changes in center of gravity there and not up front.

You are looking towards the back of the aircraft. The barrels are over the wing root. I can’t honestly say where the C of G is on the 777 but on the B737 is just ahead of the leading edge of the wings..

Yes they are servers…

(Think of a see saw)

Right be they're testing the seesaw side to side, not front to back right?

My question was then what could cause the C of G to change - first answer I thought was passenger distribution and therefore the barrels should be the length of the cabin where all passengers can be seated.

Are they simulating different passenger distributions with the water tanks? If so shouldn't they test everywhere passengers can sit?

Maybe I'm thinking of this experiment entirely wrong, sorry if my Qs are totally off mark.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=stegosaur;237891]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by stegosaur (here)
In picture 5, if they're changing water content to alter the center of gravity why are the barrels only in the front of the plane, and not in the back or all along the length of the plane? Instead there are rows and rows of what looks like servers?

Most passengers sit where the 'servers' are so it seems like they'd want to model changes in center of gravity there and not up front.

You are looking towards the back of the aircraft. The barrels are over the wing root. I can’t honestly say where the C of G is on the 777 but on the B737 is just ahead of the leading edge of the wings..

Yes they are servers…

(Think of a see saw)

Right be they're testing the seesaw side to side, not front to back right?

Front to back. (Nose to tail)

My question was then what could cause the C of G to change - first answer I thought was passenger distribution and therefore the barrels should be the length of the cabin where all passengers can be seated.

Yes, you are thinking along the right lines.

What they are really testing is angle of attack. When the aircraft is climbing at 22 degrees what is happening to the C of G, and how much down deflection of the elevators is required to keep the aircraft still within the CofG.

Are they simulating different passenger distributions with the water tanks? If so shouldn't they test everywhere passengers can sit?

The way it works is that every item has a known weight. A rack of three seats for example lets say is 100lbs. If they place these seats over the CofG the moment arm will be zero.

But what about the rack of seats weighing 100lbs at the very back, say 60feet from the CofG What will its moment arm be?

60ft is 720 inches so 720x100lbs= 720,000 lb/inches
What about the seats 50ft back from the CofG?

50ft is 600inches so 600x100= 600,000lb/inches.

Everything is then added up, and divided by a large factored number. The aircraft must then be loaded within its operating CofG. The danger is that if all the weight is at the back the potential of running out of elevator authority would exist. It’s over thirty years since I did this, can we not talk about sex instead! Ah here is the NASA technical sheet on the subject http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/acg.html its got an good diagram.

Maybe I'm thinking of this experiment entirely wrong, sorry if my Qs are totally off mark.

No you are bang on.

[Maia Gabrial]

In view of all of NASA's past lies and deceptions, why should we believe them about this?
I used to watch the skies back in my younger days and I never saw contrails or chemtrails then either. If they think I'm falling for more of their lies, they should try to salvage their damaged reputation first.....
Maia

[heyokah]

Oh dear Fred2+5=9....,

Aren't you (n)ever getting tired of us and yourself ... ??

This , like all other chemtrail threads, is really becoming a slapstick LMAO

[Fred259]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Oh dear Fred2+5=9....,

Aren't you (n)ever getting tired of us and yourself ... ??

This , like all other chemtrail threads, is really becoming a slapstick LMAO

No I’m not.

What are you talking about? I’m sticking up for you. You’ve been tricked, deceived, they are laughing at you. You’re dumbed down, controlled and I’m shouting red flag red flag, don’t believe this nonsense folks.

I’ve explained everything to you, provided scientific knowledge and documents. You obviously didn’t read them, so yes sadly you are dumbed down.

Understand that the ptb / elites don’t have this power. I promise you they really don’t. They are tricking you that they do. They now control you don’t let them.

The ptb / elites are being brought down. They will never succeed. Every scam and lie they come out with is exposed. It’s a bit like climate change. Many exposed that scam. This is no different I’m exposing this and informing you.

I’ve explained time and time again how contrails are formed. They are just the same as clouds, harmless so don’t worry about them.

If the atmospheric conditions are suitable for the formation of clouds the atmospheric conditions are ALSO suitable for the formation of contrails.

If the atmospheric conditions are not suitable for the formation of clouds, the atmospheric conditions are ALSO not suitable for the formation of contrails.

That’s all you need to know.

So, the question is do you wish to continue to be dumbed down tricked and deceived or would you rather have knowledge and understanding. You decide.

Read up on how clouds are formed. Post back and tell me, I will answer your questions and help you. When you do this three things happen, 1) you become informed. 2) Other members become informed. 3) Avalon visitors, the guests become informed. This way we expose the ptb / elites. This way we destroy the power they seek to impose over us.

However it’s not a one way deal. I expect something from you. I’m sure you are expert at many things, can you not share your knowledge with me, the forum and the guests. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what size vegetable garden we need for a family of four for example.

[SKAWF]

hi fred, fancy seeing you here!!!

now you did say that there was no way planes could be rigged to spray stuff.
i would say that the plane in the picture was rigged to spray stuff.
couple that with the fact that these trails are denser than the air,
and they fall and spread out over time,

(please dont tell me they are contrails, i do know the difference)

at some point, you'll give in.

may the force be with you!

steve

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=SKAWF;238399]hi fred, fancy seeing you here!!!

now you did say that there was no way planes could be rigged to spray stuff.

I Did.

i would say that the plane in the picture was rigged to spray stuff.

What is “Stuff” Steve.

couple that with the fact that these trails are denser than the air,
and they fall and spread out over time,

It is, but it’s a C130 boneshaker turboprop, it doesn’t operate at 30,000 feet more like 300 feet.

We’re talking about the 7,000 aircraft in UK Airspace daily, 20,000 in European daily and 58,000 in North America per day, none of them are sprying you or your loved ones. I promise.

Anyway talking about boneshakers, this is a video of boneshakers in the “Mach Loop” Ultra low level 100-250ft low level fast jet corridor at Cad West in Wales UK. A good majority of these Tornado and Hawks are be flown by females so good on the girls, but what is it with you Americans, notice how they can’t get it down onto the deck. Come on guys spit the gum out even the girls are kicking sand in your face….

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_mUcDzXbag

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FWQgzn66JE

This is what Americans call low level….you decide...

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=Fred259;238435]

Posted by SKAWF (here)
hi fred, fancy seeing you here!!!

now you did say that there was no way planes could be rigged to spray stuff.

I Did.

i would say that the plane in the picture was rigged to spray stuff.

What is “Stuff” Steve.

couple that with the fact that these trails are denser than the air,
and they fall and spread out over time,

It is, but it’s a C130 boneshaker turboprop, it doesn’t operate at 30,000 feet more like 300 feet.

We’re talking about the 7,000 aircraft in UK Airspace daily, 20,000 in European daily and 58,000 in North America per day, none of them are sprying you or your loved ones. I promise.

Anyway talking about boneshakers, this is a video of boneshakers in the “Mach Loop” Ultra low level 100-250ft low level fast jet corridor at Cad West in Wales UK. A good majority of these Tornado and Hawks are be flown by females so good on the girls, but what is it with you Americans, notice how they can’t get it down onto the deck. Come on guys spit the gum out even the girls are kicking sand in your face….

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_mUcDzXbag

Girls pulling G in the Mach Loop.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FWQgzn66JE

This is what Americans call low level….you decide...

[SKAWF]

well, the jury is still out on exactly what it is that they spray.
but the crux, the main thrust, the bullet point (if you will) of my post thus far,
is to get you to accept that planes CAN, and ARE fitted out to spray from altitude,
as previously you have said that it wasnt possible.

to be honest, given how erm.... comprehensively you state your case,
i'm happy at this point that you've accepted that planes can be fitted out to spray.
i'm going to quit while i'm ahead.

that said,

i would quite like to do some timelapse photography on a day that they spray
so you can see these trails spread out and cover the entire sky.
contrails dont behave in that way.
in fact, given the nature of a contrail, it shouldnt exist long enough,
or have enough mass to fill so large an area.

cheers
steve

[heyokah]

Thank you 'nomadguy' for your reply #245 on the "chemtrails don't exist" thread.

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07...ne-manager-bot


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Two Emails Received Anonymously - From An Airline Mechanic And An Airline Manager - Both In The USA

An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.
Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".
Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.
No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.
The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.
Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.
When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.
As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.
As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.
Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.
I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.
The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.
When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.
I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.
I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.
He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.
The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.
We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.
Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.
I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.
That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.
While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.
They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

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AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT
Posted by C.E. Carnicom on behalf of the author
May 22 2000

Mr. Carnicom:

I read the email you received from the anonymous mechanic and felt compelled to respond to it. I, too, work for an airline, though I work in upper management levels. I will not say which airline, what city I am located, nor what office I work for, for obvious reasons. I wish I could document everything I am about to relate to you, but to do so is next to impossible and would result in possible physical harm to me.

The email from the anonymous mechanic rings true. Airline companies in America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned.

About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one.

They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.

When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere. Then someone asked why all the secrecy was needed. The government reps then stated that if the general public knew that the aircraft they were flying on were releasing chemicals into the air, environmentalist groups would raise hell and demand the spraying stop. Someone asked one of the G-men then if the chemicals are harmless, why not tell the public what the chemicals are and why we are spraying them? He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on, but that this program is in their best interests. He also stated that we should not tell anyone, nor ask any more questions about it. With that, the briefing was over.

All documents in our office pertaining to Project Cloverleaf are kept in locked safes. Nobody is allowed to take these documents out of the office. Very few employees are allowed access to these documents, and they remain tight-lipped about what the documents say.

Mr. Carnicom, I am no fool. I know there's something going on. And frankly, I am scared. I feel a high level of guilt that I have been aware of this kind of operation but unable to tell anyone. It's been eating away at me, knowing that the company I work for may be poisoning the American people. I hope this letter will open some eyes to what's happening.

Again, I wish I could give you documented information, but you have to understand why I must remain totally anonymous.

Thank you

CLOVERLEAF
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/200...3.shtml#103399

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=SKAWF;238541]

well, the jury is still out on exactly what it is that they spray.

They cant spray.

The jury is only out in the confused alternative media, the rest of society consider these trails normal or give no though to the matter.

but the crux, the main thrust, the bullet point (if you will) of my post thus far,
is to get you to accept that planes CAN, and ARE fitted out to spray from altitude,
as previously you have said that it wasnt possible.

Its not possible. It isn’t happening.

What happens is you go away and find some firefighting aircraft or crop sprayer and say “Look” Crops aren’t sprayed from high altitude, fires aren’t fought from high altitude and cloud seeding doesn’t take place at high altitude.

to be honest, given how erm.... comprehensively you state your case,
i'm happy at this point that you've accepted that planes can be fitted out to spray.
i'm going to quit while i'm ahead.

This is the problem. Your mind is closed and controlled. You throw science, engineering common sense out of the window and instead believe a two minute video produced and sponsored by those who seek to control and manipulate your mind.

i would quite like to do some timelapse photography on a day that they spray
so you can see these trails spread out and cover the entire sky.

Don’t bother you are wasting your time. Until you get this word “spray” out of your head you will continue to be dumbed down and controlled.

contrails dont behave in that way.

Oh, how would you know? They do, they can last from ten seconds to ten hours and behave in a multitude of ways..

You have no concept knowledge or understanding of how clouds / contrails are formed or any understanding of the atmosphere, and further you have no interest in learning. To you its spraying, because you are a victim of the irresponsible alternative media.

in fact, given the nature of a contrail, it shouldnt exist long enough,
or have enough mass to fill so large an area.

As above.

[SKAWF]

fred i'm offended, you assume i'm controlled, you know abosolutely nothing about me.
i do know how water vapour behaves.
i know what chemtrails are, i know what contrails are.

i'm open to anything,

out of the two of us, i'd say you were closed minded and controlled.
you abosolutely refuse to accept anything outside of your own belief system.

it really doesnt matter to me.
i know i'm happy enough with my own intelligence,
and even though i disagree with you,
i dont feel the need to insult yours in the same way you have mine.

laters

[Fred259]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Thank you 'nomadguy' for your reply #245 on the "chemtrails don't exist" thread.

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07...ne-manager-bot


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Two Emails Received Anonymously - From An Airline Mechanic And An Airline Manager - Both In The USA

An Anonymous Email From An Airline Mechanic

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.
Mechanics want to work on was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.
The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve [/url]

Hayokah,

Let’s stop fooling around in post #25 that if you are serious about matters,

Read up on how clouds are formed. Post back and tell me, I will answer your questions and help you. When you do this three things happen, 1) you become informed. 2) Other members become informed. 3) Avalon visitors, the guests become informed. This way we expose the ptb / elites. This way we destroy the power they seek to impose over us.

So what do you do.

Instead of going away and trying to learn something as we discussed you instead go and find some rubbish on the web and post it here.

We have already discussed Caricorn is a disinformation agent, believe me I could tear these posts apart but what’s the point, you really just want to clown around.

I notice for example they talk about a fifty gallon tank. Lets just assume this “imaginary tank” exists. What do you think the weight would be of any fluid inside that tank? What does a gallon of fuel weigh? Water, hydraulic oil, chemicals, what do they weigh? The answer around 400lbs for fuel and 500lbs for the remainder, so 500lbs is ¼ tonne, so at that weight its going to have an effect of the centre of gravity on this aircraft and as such the pilots and flight ops people along with the route planning staff would all know about the ¼ tonne wouldn’t they.

If you want to clown around why not go to GLP. If you want to learn I'm more than happy to learn with you.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so Fred, in the other thread you made a very clarifying point when you taught us you distinguish cloud seeding and chemtrails differently

standing on the ground when we look up and watch planes creating clouds, to us if it is over our heads, it is a chemtrail, but what was interesting is how you said Chemtrails are sprayed in upper altitudes, lower altitudes for cloud seeding.

So if chemtrails aren't real, how do you know the upper altitude is theirs?

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=SKAWF;238584]

fred i'm offended, you assume i'm controlled, you know abosolutely nothing about me

.
I know all about you! Its easy to read your mind by the way you post and your beliefs. Im not blaming you, its not your fault, Steve Im trying to rescue you me a Scotsman trying to rescue an Englishman. come on man..

i do know how water vapour behaves.

Cool.Then you know how clouds are formed and you know how contrails are formed, so what’s the problem?

out of the two of us, i'd say you were closed minded and controlled.
you abosolutely refuse to accept anything outside of your own belief system.

We are talking here engineering. Its not a belief system its fact.

But Yes this is right, but the difference is that I’ve been professionally trained.

it really doesnt matter to me.
i know i'm happy enough with my own intelligence,
and even though i disagree with you,
i dont feel the need to insult yours in the same way you have mine.

Im not insulting you. But I am saying your mind is controlled, that is if you think these aircraft are spraying you over London @@@%£££ Steve, I cant get through to you, Im sitting trying not to laugh while typing, back to aircraft spraying the population of London, does that sound normal to you…

PS. BTW. I though you did an excellent job last night….

[bennycog]

"The 2nd image is the spray head attached to the boom of a KC135. Its used for spraying water into engines at altitude again for testing and evaluation."

hey fred.. just have to ask how it sprays into the engines from the tail of the aircraft mate
otherwise my ill never get to sleep tonight..
cheers

[stegosaur]

Posted by Fred259 (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
Oh dear Fred2+5=9....,

Aren't you (n)ever getting tired of us and yourself ... ??

This , like all other chemtrail threads, is really becoming a slapstick LMAO

No I’m not.

What are you talking about? I’m sticking up for you. You’ve been tricked, deceived, they are laughing at you. You’re dumbed down, controlled and I’m shouting red flag red flag, don’t believe this nonsense folks.

I’ve explained everything to you, provided scientific knowledge and documents. You obviously didn’t read them, so yes sadly you are dumbed down.

Understand that the ptb / elites don’t have this power. I promise you they really don’t. They are tricking you that they do. They now control you don’t let them.

The ptb / elites are being brought down. They will never succeed. Every scam and lie they come out with is exposed. It’s a bit like climate change. Many exposed that scam. This is no different I’m exposing this and informing you.

I’ve explained time and time again how contrails are formed. They are just the same as clouds, harmless so don’t worry about them.

If the atmospheric conditions are suitable for the formation of clouds the atmospheric conditions are ALSO suitable for the formation of contrails.

If the atmospheric conditions are not suitable for the formation of clouds, the atmospheric conditions are ALSO not suitable for the formation of contrails.

That’s all you need to know.

So, the question is do you wish to continue to be dumbed down tricked and deceived or would you rather have knowledge and understanding. You decide.

Read up on how clouds are formed. Post back and tell me, I will answer your questions and help you. When you do this three things happen, 1) you become informed. 2) Other members become informed. 3) Avalon visitors, the guests become informed. This way we expose the ptb / elites. This way we destroy the power they seek to impose over us.

However it’s not a one way deal. I expect something from you. I’m sure you are expert at many things, can you not share your knowledge with me, the forum and the guests. I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what size vegetable garden we need for a family of four for example.

Hi Fred - first thanks for putting forth your effort in discussing this matter, you clearly have prior personal experience that is relevant to this issue.

Now I agree with you 100% about the part I have bolded, and this is why I thing chemtrails DO exist.

Since I moved down to Texas, I see many many more sunny clear days. Days where there isn't a scant cloud in the sky, not even minor cirrus frosty whips, nothing. That is except for a couple of big, honking white stripes forming behind planes and then staying for hours as they spread out. I'm not sure if I have a picture handy but I have seen this multiple times - how can this be explained? Like you said, if atmospheric conditions are right for cloud formation, we won't have contrails forming either so how is it that a plane can produce a really long lasting contrail on perfectly clear days?

[Maia Gabrial]

I remember listening to a whistleblower (don't remember the name) on Coast to Coast who worked on one of those white, unmarked planes, releasing those highly toxic gases. His photograph was similar to one shared in this thread, only there were people in his.
You can say all you like, but I watch the skies constantly and I'm feeling the effects of those nonexistent chemtrails....
Maia

[Cidersomerset]

Hi unfortunatly these threads are starting to go round in circles and Fred 259 from his perspective is deffinatley trying with all his experiance and Knowledge to assure and educate us that contrails are just the result of increased airtraffic and weather conditions which hopefully is correct and our main worry should be contrail pollution which may need looking at on its own merrits.....

I like most people think there is more to it , as I said on one of the other threads, I 'am a postman and outdoors everyday looking up..........

Sunday 5/6 nice bright day plenty of air traffic no chemtrails.

Monday 6/6 cooler conditions 'chemtails all morning ' milky cloud cover rest of day.....

Tuesday 7/6 changeable conditions natural cloud cover, mixed sun showers ,cooler than yesterday no chemtrails at all .

Wednesday 8/6 Changeable cool /cloudy/ sun /showers/ no chemtrails in sight.

Thursday 9/6 Changeable cold/cloudy/sun/heavy rain intervals no chemtrails visible.

Friday 10/6 Changeable cold/cloudy/showers am/ persistant rain pm no chemtrails visible.

Saturday 11/6 Bright sunny / white fluffy clouds /Blue skies no chemtrails

sunday 12/6 Rain and cloud cover all , nothing visbile above clouds

Monday 13/6 sunny /cloudy dry all day no chemtrails

Tuesday 14/6 chemtails forming from 1st light and remaing allday milky/soup skies
sun blocked out , would have been a scorcher if not shielded..

I 'm sure Fred 259 is genuine and I'd certainly want him in the trenches with me if the s==t hits the fan.........Remember although I'm new to you on the Forum I've been a guest since day one , so I feel I know some of you by default.

I think they are to do with weather modifacation and Haarp, also possible UV shielding , as I 've seen chemtrails in all wheather conditons , No doubt Fred will disagree , but let it go, and see where it takes us. If it is all rubbish 'Great' but let us get there at our own speed.......But if there is something going on we would be fools to ignore it........cheers Steve

[Fred259]

Posted by bennycog (here)
"The 2nd image is the spray head attached to the boom of a KC135. Its used for spraying water into engines at altitude again for testing and evaluation."

hey fred.. just have to ask how it sprays into the engines from the tail of the aircraft mate
otherwise my ill never get to sleep tonight..
cheers