Disclosure Project in China, let's kick the ball together, shall we?

[cayman]

Posted by Airwooz (here)
There is no disclosure in china, china is the future NWO standard model for the rest of the world,since Mao and Nixon goverment established some sort of contract.And it turns china into a world factory, and both George Orwell and Neil Postman's society. And US military industry complex keep exported weapon technology(not mars technology) to china. For example the recently J-20 stealth figher. USAF's X37B finished its flight test, china go after by tested the similar craft . Anyone who knows a lit bit about the military matters would understand what iam saying here. DO NOT think that chinese will disclosure anything, ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base. sorry for my english hope you can understand, I am not a native english speaker...

That is a fair point of view.
I heard a rumor said that the J-20 use a USAF F-16 flight control system basically. nevertheless, G.W.BUSH signed a Bill which allow US military sell "high-tech"(what ever that means) weapons to PRC---that is a fact.
Of course, "ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base"---so does ordinary peoples around the world, the basic point of that is "what does those ET stuffs have anything to do with my ordinary life?--don't know,don't care".

What if it is true that the ET stuffs have everything to do with our lives? what should we do about it?

[Airwooz]

Posted by cayman (here)

Posted by Airwooz (here)
There is no disclosure in china, china is the future NWO standard model for the rest of the world,since Mao and Nixon goverment established some sort of contract.And it turns china into a world factory, and both George Orwell and Neil Postman's society. And US military industry complex keep exported weapon technology(not mars technology) to china. For example the recently J-20 stealth figher. USAF's X37B finished its flight test, china go after by tested the similar craft . Anyone who knows a lit bit about the military matters would understand what iam saying here. DO NOT think that chinese will disclosure anything, ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base. sorry for my english hope you can understand, I am not a native english speaker...

That is a fair point of view.
I heard a rumor said that the J-20 use a USAF F-16 flight control system basically. nevertheless, G.W.BUSH signed a Bill which allow US military sell "high-tech"(what ever that means) weapons to PRC---that is a fact.
Of course, "ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base"---so does ordinary peoples around the world, the basic point of that is "what does those ET stuffs have anything to do with my ordinary life?--don't know,don't care".

What if it is true that the ET stuffs have everything to do with our lives? what should we do about it?

Not F16 flight system(I think you talking about J10), but more advance F22 or other US stealth fighter technology. Considering Chinese using alots of Russian weapon system in the past 2 decade, suddenly they have this 5 generation stealth fighter, and US defense secretary Gates didn't know anything about it, where is the CIA and other suppose to be the top intelligence division in the world ? i can only figured out that either Gates were being cheated or he just playing his role for the NWO agenda

[cayman]

Posted by Airwooz (here)
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Not F16 flight system(I think you talking about J10), but more advance F22 or other US stealth fighter technology. Considering Chinese using alots of Russian weapon system in the past 2 decade, suddenly they have this 5 generation stealth fighter, and US defense secretary Gates didn't know anything about it, where is the CIA and other suppose to be the top intelligence division in the world ? i can only figured out that either Gates were being cheated or he just playing his role for the NWO agenda

Did it occur to you that HU is treated in the same way?

[yuhui]

Posted by Airwooz (here)
,since Mao and Nixon goverment established some sort of contract.And it turns china into a world factory, and both George Orwell and Neil Postman's society.

I think Disclosure Project in China does not necessarily mean Disclosure Project by Chinese government.
I mean, they are totally different concepts.
And I understand when Chinese people come across the word “project"，government would firstly appeared in their heads.

For those people, I strongly recommend the book <Rediscover Society> http://book.douban.com/subject/4199761/

Posted by Airwooz (here)
DO NOT think that chinese will disclosure anything, ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base.

I am just curious what makes you think like that? Or what makes you think you have the right to speak for the ORDINARY CHINESE, like me? or yourself perhaps.....

[johnf]

I just listened to Robert Deans recent interview, and he repeated what he said numerous times before. The united States government will never disclose the presence of ET's.
He talks about a study done where they decided that it would destabilize the world on government, religious, social levels.
Richard Hoagland shows copies of documents by a giant NASA conference on the early space program which discussed the consequences of disclosing any possible evidence of ET
presence here or wherever we went and They said exactly what Robert Dean said the Air Force concluded.
Now why would the Chinese government not have this information and be driven by the same conclusions (the real motivation comes from the fact that any previously established power system and it's members would lose it's power, and it's members their positions.) Most of the things done by the chinese government seems to be viciously driven by the upholding of the status quo.
The kicker though is the other factions that are shifting around inside and around the government in China. The demonstrations are ongoing in spite of the dire consequences to those that
stand up to the PRC, and stuff does get out, there is also stuff getting out from India.
I think the best hope for disclosure is sideways leaks from all countries tieing into those that openly disclose

[Airwooz]

[QUOTE=cayman;161609]

Posted by Airwooz (here)
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Did it occur to you that HU is treated in the same way?

Probably pal, since Mao has wiped out most of the elite during culture revolution, Hu became one of those young political
star who really good at propaganda. But he lack of backgroud, I think they pick him out just for balancing variety political faction within the party.So does the next president Xi.

[Airwooz]

Posted by yuhui (here)

Posted by Airwooz (here)
,since Mao and Nixon goverment established some sort of contract.And it turns china into a world factory, and both George Orwell and Neil Postman's society.

I think Disclosure Project in China does not necessarily mean Disclosure Project by Chinese government.
I mean, they are totally different concepts.
And I understand when Chinese people come across the word “project"，government would firstly appeared in their heads.

For those people, I strongly recommend the book <Rediscover Society> http://book.douban.com/subject/4199761/

Posted by Airwooz (here)
DO NOT think that chinese will disclosure anything, ordinary chinese doesn't care things like ET or Moon base.

I am just curious what makes you think like that? Or what makes you think you have the right to speak for the ORDINARY CHINESE, like me? or yourself perhaps.....

To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

[yuhui]

Posted by Airwooz (here)
To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

OF COURSE I know the CONTROL by the government.I think expecting China to have someone lecturing reptilians shadow Government is naive.Let alone the contemporary state of China,people's behaviour is profoundly affected by national and regional cultures. Chinese society is not the same as western societies, like Individualism vs. collectivism, Weak vs. strong uncertainty avoidance and Indulgence vs. restraint. I think people believe whatever they want to believe and they have unlimited ability whatsoever.And in China, personally, I see a large awaking.

But the problem is when you refering the words like campaign and fighting,it would easily misleading people to elsewhere but not the real goal of a disclosure project.That is the awaking of people in a Higher level of conciousness.And it is not only about ET, moon base, or control.

Posted by johnf (here)
I think the best hope for disclosure is sideways leaks from all countries tieing into those that openly disclose

There are actually a lot of alternative media in China, or citizen groups that has being trying to enlighten the others.See here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/grou...180&do=discuss (I hope you know Chinese, but if not, feel free to pm me.)

[cayman]

Posted by yuhui (here)
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I think Disclosure Project in China does not necessarily mean Disclosure Project by Chinese government.
I mean, they are totally different concepts.
And I understand when Chinese people come across the word “project"，government would firstly appeared in their heads.

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Posted by Airwooz (here)
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To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

Both, fair points.
IMHO, the world we are living in is the world we all created,
Is the PTB we should blame? is the PTB our enemy?
I think not,if there is any true enemy(so to speak), or whom we should blame for----It is inside everyone of US, when we, as individual, cease to take our own responsibilities, pretty own face by dirty others hands---that is when the evil genius come in, take advantage of our selfishness, then create the world we are in now.
who is responsible for that?

we always talk about the "big picture", "grant vision", how about this time we do something for a change----we, you,i, should really looking into my heart, talk the "little picture" with myself, what do I want truly? what should I do to achieve that without other people's expense?

Naive, right?----extremely naive! from any standard in this current paradigm----but I thought this "current paradigm" is the one you don't like---So, what should we do about it?

I don't know about your guys, but I am going back to be a child again, play mud with my little hands, build sand castle on the beach, do whatever I dream of

only this time, I wash my hands and dirty clothes all by myself.
"thanks, No, thanks, mum."

[cayman]

Posted by johnf (here)
...The united States government will never disclose the presence of ET's.
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Now why would the Chinese government not have this information and be driven by the same conclusions (the real motivation comes from the fact that any previously established power system and it's members would lose it's power, and it's members their positions.) .....

"wishing PTB to do something"= "hating PTB did things"= Delusion

where is this Delusion come from? <--- always hoping others to do something we wish for<= self-distrust(not believing we have the ability to do it ourselves) + X(selfishness, may be)

where is this self-distrust come from?
Don't realize who we really are---sleeping

how we can re-discover who we really are?
Awakening, Enlightenment? maybe, I'm still on my way searching for answer

Belief is the only supply I have in this long way of searching

[cayman]

what is the essence of "social engineering"? ---- Seduction and Distraction


Lady in Red ---Matrix

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXQozTxQSiE

[cayman]

Real tricky thing is not that people are sleeping, but this

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbytzVW3GfU

[cayman]

Calendar Log 5

"Jump off the cliff, Angles will catch you"

funny how things might turn out by the way itself. "Angles" or "luck" shall we say, do show mercy from time to time

big test is coming, for real

[Cognitive Dissident]

Hi Cayman, have just seen this thread, very interesting! What is the current status of the 2012 article?
In terms of material, John Major Jenkins is good. He looks at it from an "awakening" not an earth changes perspective.
While the following site is sceptical, it is good because it explains quite a lot of the existing theories http://www.2012hoax.org/

In terms of the article on 2012, here is my suggestion. Rather than saying, 2012 is this or is that, you can look at it as a cultural analysis of what is going on in esp the West. As in, many people now are interested in 2012. But what is all the fuss about? Here are the theories and here is what people are saying.

In that way you can present all of the information relating to 2012 in a neutral way. How does that sound?

[hao]

Hi cayman, since this thread deals specifically with ET stuff from China, i will repost some of the stuff i've already shared in your "anyone interested in what's happening in China?" thread.
Take my inputs as a part on overall "China-Alien connection" theme, because there are much to share and it will be quite long discussion, i will take my time to share things with anyone whos interested in "China-Alien connection".

Ancient China-Alien connection

Hangzhou's Xiaoshan airport was shut down for more than an hour last year, due to a trespassing UFO. Just 3 days ago all flights were suspended due to runway crack, which was caused by prolonged low temperature, according to an "official" explanation. May be so, but i just wondered whether its coincidence or not that it is the same airport which was shut down by an UFO last year?
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/7294326.html

Hangzhou is within the area where ancient Liangzhu culture located, i just discovered last year that the cultures of ancient China have some cultural connection to both ancient Mesoamerican and pre-Incan cultures, based on certain relics, i suspect there was a common "god"(or a group of gods) influencing the ancient cultures of China and the Americas.

If 2012 is the date when these ancient American "gods" will "return", (because i suspect they never really left), then i cant stop to wonder whether they have facilities in the vicinity of the ancient cultures that they influenced?

Like in the city of Hangzhou? One of the most famous poet of the Song dynasty, Su Shi(1037-1101AD) once reported an incident in one of his poems, when he was sailing over the West lake (one of Hangzhou's most famous attraction) one night, a luminant object suddenly came out of the lake and lightened the nearby hill as it flew across.

The luminant object in the 11th century was definitely not "man-made" or "Chinese lantern", i just have to wonder whether it was a "temporary parking" or there is something "permanent" there.

Example of certain cultural connection between ancient China and ancient Americas:

I came across “The Hidden History of the Human Race" by accident

Among the many interesting things the program showed, I can't stop noticing the similarities between certain ancient Ecuadorian artifacts and that of the Qijia culture from China

The Ecuadorian figurines have distinct large round eyes and a distinct mouth
http://i55.tinypic.com/2j4znlh.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/bdp9bd.jpg

This one, besides the distinct large round eyed figures, the shape of this artifact, a round object with a round hole in the centre very much resembles the ancient Chinese jade bi object, which was used for the worship of the heaven since ancient Chinese believed in a "round" heaven.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2lo0unp.jpg
An ancient Chinese Jade bi
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ic9tsi.jpg

The figurines from the Qijia culture bear uncanny similarities to the ancient Ecuadorian figures shown above
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ememb9.jpg

A pair of figures from Qijia culture is very reminiscent of the figures on the round object from Ecuador, even the alike posture.
Chinese one
http://i52.tinypic.com/2cmww0y.jpg
Ecuadorian one
http://i52.tinypic.com/2lo0unp.jpg

Ancient alien connection and huge alien crafts visiting ancient China:

Olivia Dunham finally gets to meet William Bell in parallel universe, in the TV series Fringe.
http://i53.tinypic.com/14tafdh.jpg

A Jade bi is placed just outside Bell's office, an ancient Chinese ritual object for worship of the heaven, the round shape is a manifestation of the ancient belief of a "round" heaven, and the hole in the centre represents communication or connection with the heaven

A Chinese jade Bi, with depiction of three "immortals", exact date and origin is unknown, but the archaic style appears to be "Neolithic"
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ic9tsi.jpg

The Temple of Heaven in Beijing was built by the Ming dynasty in the early 15th century, just like the jade bi, those round platforms represent the Heaven, the main Hall in the centre was constructed to "honor heaven and worship god".
http://i54.tinypic.com/2z7lst3.jpg

The coiled body of the serpent/dragon is also the manifestation of this "round" heaven belief.
The C shaped dragon, the typical of Hongshan culture is accompanied by an “immortal”.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2prhj0n.jpg
Twin “half man and half serpent” figures from the “spring-autumn” period
http://i56.tinypic.com/313tbmx.jpg
Dragon from Lingjiatan culture
http://i54.tinypic.com/etscuc.jpg

Why ancient people envisioned something aeriform as the Heaven to be “round”? Few years ago, a Chinese author asked this question when he wrote a book titled "The Aliens are on the Moon". The book cited a petroglyph discovered on the rocks of Yin Mountains
http://i56.tinypic.com/10gjxo8.jpg

The scholars interpret the round object above the man as the sun, thus dubbed it “sun worship petroglyph”. But the author says ancient depictions of the sun usually have sun rays whereas the “sun” in the petroglyph from Yin Mountains is just a round object.
“Sun worship” from Chengbeixi culture
http://i54.tinypic.com/wpgzr.jpg

He says the petroglyph is a depiction of worship for Heaven instead of the sun. Ancient oracle bone inscription for heaven was written like “a man with an oversized head/a round object above man” or “horizontal stroke(s) above man”
http://i55.tinypic.com/wrn815.jpg

According to the author, horizontal stroke(s) represent land; the only land that’s above man and visibly round is the moon. According to him, this explanation would make sense to many ancient legends about a heaven which seem to have “physical attributes”.
Whether he is right or wrong, I stumbled upon certain ancient relics
http://i53.tinypic.com/9a39qu.jpg
The ancient pendant is carved to the shape of round, a clear sign of the “round” heaven belief, above the two “immortals” there is a round object, whatever the round object represents I too don’t think it represents the sun, if the “immortals” were interpreted as actual images of ancient visiting ETs rather than the works of imagination (which orthodox Chinese scholars say), then it’s possible the round object is the actual vessel or place where they came from. If combine Apollo 20 discovery and the hollow moon theory which indicate the moon is actually a giant extraterrestrial structure, then it indeed lend weights to the interpretation of the round object in this relic as the moon.

It’s pertinent to add that there are ancient Chinese legends speaking of “celestial rafts”, their size varies, the largest type were called “the boat hanging among the stars” or “the boat going to the moon”, the name seem to indicate they are spaceships bounded for the moon. Around 2300 BC, the huge ship would float around China every 12 years during the reign of Yao, the record say they always stop somewhere directly above waters, this attribute of it seem to suggest the Aliens have underwater facilities in both inland seas as well as oceans.

In his book "DEAD MEN'S SECRETS", author Jonathan Gray mentioned the following in chapter 27 under the title "To the moon and beyond? WERE WE ON THE MOON IN
2309 B.C.?"

“A story from this same period states that an enormous ship appeared on the sea at night with brilliant lights which were extinguished during the day. It could also sail to the moon and the stars, hence its name, ‘the ship hanging among the stars’ or ‘the boat to the moon’”

This piece of information is found in the Shi yi ji (record of gleanings). In the book, ‘the ship hanging among the stars’ is called gua xing cha (literally gua=hanging; xing=stars; cha=raft), ‘the boat to the moon’ is called guan yue cha (guan=to be linked together; yue=moon).

Here is the translation of the original passage:
“Thirty years after Yao became the sovereign, there was an enormous raft floating over the western sea, the raft has lights that shine at night which were extinguished during the day, people nearby saw the lights, waning and waxing, like stars and moon are appearing and disappearing, the raft would float routinely over the four seas, twelve years a cycle, cycle after cycle, the name for it is guan yue cha or gua xing cha, the feathered men live aboard it, the celestials gargle their nectar, the light of the sun and the moon becomes dim. There were no more recount of its appearance since the era of Yu and Xia dynasty, those who travel to the seas can still hear the incredible of it”

This is one of the surviving accounts of the mysterious “celestial rafts” mentioned in ancient Chinese texts. Such tales are often simply regarded as the works of imagination (novelist’s inventions) by orthodox scholars. However the author of Shi Yi Ji, Wang Jia (?-390AD) according to history records was a Taoist scholar who lived a secluded life on mountains, he is good at making prophetic remarks, because of such skill, he was sought after by various invading nomadic rulers and enjoyed fame among nobilities despite the fact he was forced to serve the ruling court after his previous refusals. Wang Jia was not a “novelist”; “short-novel” as orthodox scholars would call them doesn’t fit well with some tales found in the Shi Yi Ji, since things like the description of a Volcano and its eruption doesn’t seem to be the work of imagination at all. Granted, most of the tales and objects mentioned in the Shi Yi Ji seem strange indeed.

According to Shi Yi Ji, this ship appeared at the “Western sea”, the ancient name for Qinghai Lake in today’s Qinghai province, during the legendary ruler Yao’s reign, presumably around 2300 BC. The description “like stars and moon are appearing and disappearing” is both describing different effect of the lights as well as the size of the ship, which gives the observer the impression that there was a chunk of sky over the lake, thus the definition “enormous”. It seems such observation is made some distance away from the ship.

The wreck of that gigantic spaceship discovered by Apollo mission on the moon rather fits the profile of the enormous raft recorded in the Shi Yi Ji.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2v61s.gif

The term “four seas” in ancient texts may describe China itself or the boundaries of China as defined by certain waters to the four directions, therefore “Western sea” would be the westernmost definition of the “four seas”. This enormous ship would appear periodically around China, and according to the name given to it, it was a space ship bounded for the moon.

Then Shi Yi Ji goes on describing the scenes onboard, the ship is where winged celestials (feathered men) live who drink nectar instead of eating grains so they are immortal. Why would the “light of the sun and moon becomes dim”? Since the name suggesting it to be a spaceship, it’s easier to apprehend the fact the view of the sun and moon would be different from the view of them on the ground, this must have left impression for the observer whoever passed down this tale, that he must be a mortal whom for whatever reasons was allowed to board the ship for immortals.

Other records of “celestial raft” show there were some going on between man and ETs during other times.

Authored by a Western Jin dynasty writer and official Zhang Hua(232-300 AD) ,the "Bo wu zhi"(record of natural science) recount the story of the Xian Cha (celestial raft): "It is said, once upon a time the Milky Way and the sea were connected, in recent time there were people live at the seashore, every year in the August the floating raft would arrive and leave on time, there was a man with high aspiration, tall pavilions are set up on the raft, with abundant supplies, the man boarded the raft and left. For more than 10 days, stars, the moon, the sun passed by as he observed them, afterwards, the vastness made him indistinguishable of the nights and days. Another 10 days of travel, he suddenly arrived at a place where he saw many buildings which look like a city, from distance he saw weaving women in the palace, he saw a man with an Ox drinking at the waterside. Surprised, the Cowherd asked him "how did you get here?” he explained himself and asked the cowherd "what is this place?” the cowherd replied "return to visit Yan jun ping in the prefecture of Shu for answer", therefore he returned without landing. Thereafter a visit was paid to jun ping in the prefecture of Shu (today's Sichuan province of China), he told him that "there was a guest star violating the constellation Qianniu", and that's when the man paid the visit to the Milky Way"

The Song dynasty work "Tai ping guang ji"(Extensive Records of the Taiping Era) is a collection of things stretching a period from the Han dynasty(206 BC- 220 AD) to the Song dynasty(960-1279 AD), citing "Dong tian ji" it says "The Yan Zun(the same person as Yan jun ping in "Bo wu zhi") 'Xian Cha' was placed in the Linde palace of the Tang dynasty (618-907 AD), it is a metal object with the length of more than fifty chi (the measure of chi is different for different dynasties, it is 1chi=27.65cm during the Qin-Han period; 1chi=31.1cm during the Tang dynasty; 1chi=30.72cm during the Song dynasty, thus making the 'Xian Cha of Yan Zun' at least 15 meters long), its hard and it does not corrode. Li deyu (787-850 AD, Tang prime minister) cut thin branch of more than 1 chi, carved an image which often flies away and returns, it disappeared since the era of Guangming (reign of emperor Xizong of Tang dynasty), the raft then flew away as well."
Interestingly, like Wang Jia, Yan Jun Ping was also a Taoist scholar.

Maybe that’s why the female alien body recovered by Apollo mission resembles “Asiatic/Mongoloid”?
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ldahci.jpg

The Apollo 20 is still debated, but here is a twist to its validity

The official website of Chinese lunar exploration program (CLEP) recently (08/12/09) cited an article discussing the possibility of the secret mission conducted by America's Apollo 20 lunar mission, titled "Did the Apollo 20 find the wreckage of a gigantic spaceship on the Moon?"

http://210.82.31.82/index.asp?modeln...000&recno=1644

Cited images by the article,
http://i56.tinypic.com/29copd5.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/11wg2uc.jpg

It’s interesting that the Chinese government branch for lunar mission is actually interested in some conspiracy story.

What this demonstrates i believe is that the Chinese know that something "artificial" exist on the moon after their first lunar orbiter Chang'e 1 finished surveying the moon.

This is the only logical explanation for the puzzle why should a genuine government branch like the CLEP be bothered to have this "conspiracy crap" on their website at all?

But this is not the only interesting "anomalies" i notice from the Chinese.

Shortly after the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC, the PLAAF celebrated its own 60th anniversary on 6th November during which the commander of the PLAAF Xu Qiliang made a speech to audiences including foreign military guests in which the following speech is particularly interesting to me

"The story of Chang'e is well-known to the Chinese, for hundreds of years the Chinese have celebrated the Moon Festival during which they wish for peace and prosperity. I think if Armstrong knew this story, he would possibly pay a visit to the Moon palace"

Maybe the general is just acting lunatic in assuming the possibility of the existence of such "moon palace" of which supposedly exists only in traditional myth. But how can a real astronaut visit some fictional "moon palace"?

As far as im concerned the CLEP is acting exactly the same when their website takes some "spaceship wreckage on the moon conspiracy crap" to the front page.

Unless, they do believe that something "artificial" can be found on the moon. And the "anomalies" only popped up after their Chang'e 1 orbiter completed its mission.

When history and legends collide

The ‘Records of the Grand Historian’ by famous Han dynasty historian Sima qian is regarded as the “authentic history”. He is regarded as the father of Chinese historiography because of this highly praised work.

However, certain records from this ‘authentic’ work would raise baffling questions. For instance, in “The annals of the Five Emperors”, the annal of emperor Zhuan Xu says “to the north he reached Youling; to the south he reached Jiaozhi; to the west he reached Liusha; to the east he reached Panmu”.

According to the footnotes, Youling is also called Youzhou which encompasses modern day Hebei and Liaoning provinces; Jiaozhi is also called Jiaozhou which encompasses modern day Guangdong and Guangxi provinces of China and parts of Vietnam, while Liusha is located in modern day Gansu province.

But something baffling surfaces when it comes to the location of Panmu. According to the footnote, “In the East Sea, there is a mountain called Dushuo, where a giant peach tree stretches for three thousand Li. ‘The gate of the spirits’ is located to the north-east where all sorts of spirits are gathered. Two deities, one named Shen shu, one named Yu lu, are sent by the Supreme Being to watch over the spirits, and punish the one who harms human”.

As a tradition, the Chinese would decorate each side of the front door with two door gods to ward off evil spirits. It is said they were once two generals (Qin shubao and Yuchi jingde) who served under emperor Taizong of Tang dynasty.

Qin shubao and Yuchi Jingde as ‘door gods’
http://i53.tinypic.com/zipumv.jpg

But before they were elevated to the rank of ‘gods’, their predecessors were called Shen shu and Yu lu, the two deities mentioned in Shiji (AKA “Records of the Grand Historian”). People would either carve the images of them with piece of peach wood or write their names on piece of peach wood, then they will place them on the front door in order to ward off evil spirits, this tradition dates back at least to the Qin-Han period.

Shen shu and Yu lu as ‘door gods’
http://i56.tinypic.com/sfgwmo.jpg

The tradition of decorating front doors with couplets (rhyming poems) during lunar New Year also derives from this belief. The practice was initially created by a poet (I think he’s from ‘five dynasties’ period) who thought “the door gods need something to be accompanied with”; the practice then was standardized under the reign of the first emperor of Ming dynasty.

So basically, Emperor Zhuan Xu went to a place that shouldn’t exist, but it was nonetheless recorded by the most praised history work. This is a perfect example of “when history collides with legend”, in which case raise baffling questions.
But it gets even more baffling after examining the source for which Sima qian was based on when he wrote “The annals of five Emperors”, such as “Wu di de” (The virtues of the five Emperors). It says not only Zhuan Xu traveled to those places; he traveled there by “riding a dragon”.

A memorial stone carving of Emperor Zhuan Xu in the city of Puyang, once the capital of Zhuan Xu
http://i56.tinypic.com/xfssc0.jpg

Obviously, to Confucian educated scholars, “supernatural” such as “dragons” simply doesn’t exist. So when Sima qian wrote “The annals of five Emperors”, the part involving “dragon” was removed which reflects the Confucian value of “disbelief” towards the “supernaturals”; which consist of “guai” (the strange); “Li” (force/power/ability); “Luan” (disorder); “Shen” (preternatural/magical;deity/spirit).

This is actually one of the “shortcomings” of the Shiji, because Sima qian removed many “supernatural” components of the “history” in which ancient cultural heroes with superhuman abilities were reduced to mere “outstanding leaders”. But orthodox scholars will treat such “records” as mere “legends” or at best “unreliable history” or “inventions by later generations”; which is actually another “shortcoming” of Sima qian.

The dilemma for Sima qian is, when he removed dragon from “The annal of Zhuan Xu”, it shows his share of disbelief towards the “supernatural” which is consistent with his contemporary scholars as well as with modern day mainstream scholars; but when he kept the part about Zhuan Xu’s trip to Panmu, as a responsible historian he can not replace Panmu with some other place since such behavior would violate his professional ethics; so even though he himself may not believe in the existence of such place as Panmu just as he may not believe in the existence of dragons, nevertheless he must report this detail because that’s what he inherited from his predecessors. And it's only "contradicting" because there are so much we don't understand about our distant past.

Before the orthodox scholars dismiss all this as “fuss”, let’s move on to another period of the history in the Shiji, so that orthodox scholars can not dismiss the record so easily, yet they can never explain it as well.
(to be continued)

[hao]

Also i'd like to share my personal "UFO experience" in China, because i believe these personal encounters are somewhat related to my "awakening".

It was 1988, I had my first and best ever UFO sighting when I visited Guangzhou.

It happened around 9 pm. I was enjoying the night view by the broad hotel windows when suddenly I noticed two small blinking lights appearing in the depth of distance. At first
I thought they were two small UFOs flying parallel to each other, I turned my head to call my mother and uncle to come quickly to see them, but only my uncle answered my odd claim. Then as I turned my head again to see them I realized the "two small UFOs" were actually a yellow and a red blinking lights coming from the edges of a much larger object. As it moved towards us we could see clearly that it was a silver disc shaped flying object. It was flying at pretty low altitude that we could even see a row of circular windows with red circumference and dark interior in the middle of the object. As it flew right over our hotel, we got a full view of it from under. The shape of its bottom only resembles that of a plate, and we were on the 5th floor of a 13 storey hotel, when it flew over we got the impression it was just about a hundred meters above (edited to correct original estimate), conventional aircrafts would be making a lot noises at such low altitude, but that was not the case for the craft we saw.

The second sighting was less "spectacular", nonetheless this time in my hometown Beijing. I saw a hat shaped glowing object flying across the sky. And that’s about it.

I don’t know for sure whether the following experiences can be counted as "UFO experience" or not but I am willing to share it anyway.

During my secondary school days I encountered series of "unexplainable" events. Here is what happened.
My mother was addicted to mahjong by then, so during that period of time I often sleep alone at home.

One summer night, I just woke up for no apparent reasons, no thirst, no bathroom, no noises, and I had no idea what time it was.
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When I opened my eyes I saw the yellow light coming through the window above my bedroom door. At the time I thought it must be my mom who just came home from playing mahjong, I was sleepy so I lowered my head on the pillow and quickly I fell asleep again.

At about 8 am in the morning I woke up to see my mother wasn’t home yet. I
thought "well, for some reason she must have come back last night then left again".
About an hour later she was home then I asked her "Mom, did you come back last night?"
To my astonishment she said she didn’t. Then I told her that "I saw the light in the hall was on last night, I thought it was you coming back home". Again she said no.

We feared that it could be a burglary so we immediately checked every window and doors, but only to find all of them are fine, no signs of intrusion whatsoever. Then my mother explained to me that it was the car lights coming through the bathroom window that illuminated the hall. At the time I thought she maybe right.

However as I closely observed the flashing car lights afterwards, they were nothing like what I saw. The car lights are short-lived and they aren’t bright enough.

As I was puzzled by the event, the exactly similar phenomena occurred several more times in the span of several months. Every time it’s the same scenario that I awoke for no specific reasons and only to discover the light in the hall of my home was on, and every time this happens my mother was away and only returns until the next morning.

As this phenomenon occurred more than once, later I began to realize that it’s actually not the light in the hall. Because the light in the hall had brown glass covering, normally I could see shadows and reflection on the ceiling, but when this "glowing light" appears I don’t see any shadows and reflections on the ceiling, in fact it’s much brighter than our light bulb, it gives the feeling that "the hall is full of glowing golden light ".

When I tried to get up and open the door to see what this glowing golden light is really about, I realized another weird thing was happening. Despite my strong will to get up I find my body not responding, I mean I couldn’t move, somehow only my head could raise a bit. I tried pretty hard to move my body but I felt I was somehow paralyzed. Then against my will I fell asleep shortly after seeing the light, only to wake up next morning. It made me wondering: "what the hell was going on?"

Another intriguing detail is after I realized that something was wrong about the light, I somehow suddenly remembered a dream I had just before the first encounter which I seem to have forgotten. In the dream I see an oval shaped object (like a standing egg) appears in the hall of my home, and a human shaped being comes out of it, I couldn’t see his appearance because he was glowing with golden light, the oval shaped object too is glowing bright golden light which looks rather like the color of the mysterious light I saw in reality.

To this day I’m still puzzled, I can’t find feasible explanations. I don’t know whether that weird dream had any connection to the weird experiences or not. I mean I had UFOs in my dreams before, but never a connection to real events, besides, the dream of seeing an oval shaped object and a man appearing in my home was actually just a thought that suddenly popped up in my mind, of which I have actually forgot and only remembered it after experiencing the real events..

But now I began to consider the possibility of alien abduction after I learned from watching UFO hunters that some abductees actually saw UFOs before the abduction, some cases recount that people could not move their bodies despite being conscious.
Maybe it’s just my mind went nuts for no reasons, or it could be alien encounter, I don’t know which one sounds more crazy.

[hao]

Some stuff i wrote elsewhere thats related to "ancient China-Alien connection" theme:

Now someone mentioned the physiology of "Mona Lisa" and hinted that because she resembles "Asian" therefore it must be some fake made by the Chinese, you know after all “the Chinese faked their first space walk...”

Have you ever considered the possibility of mankind's ancient connection to Aliens and the moon?

Well, it seems one guest of George Noory has, in his book "Dead Men's Secrets", author Jonathan Gray cited ancient sources and myths for considering the possibility of ancient moon travel, among which the Chinese are included on the list.

Chapter 27

To the moon and beyond-WERE WE ON THE MOON IN 2309 B.C.

Chinese historians in particular never tried to please their rulers at the expense of truth. Death was preferred to untruthful reports of history. As an example we have the fate of historians in the reign of Chi in 547 B.C. We should therefore take seriously the historical reports of China, even if they seem at first to he far-fetched.
There is a tendency in scientific circles nowadays to regard ancient documents and even mythology and folklore - as sources of history. Anthony Roberts expresses it this way: “Legends are like time-capsules that preserve their contents through ages of ignorance.”
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CHINA, 3rd cent. B.C.
12 (W): Chuang Tzu, in a work entitled Travel to the Infinite, relates a trip he made into space to 32,500 miles from the earth.
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YUNNAN PROVINCE, CHINA
17 (W): Engravings of cylindrical rocketlike machines, which are shown climbing skyward, were discovered on a pyramid which suddenly emerged from the floor of Lake Kun-Ming during an earthquake.
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CHINA
19 (W): “Desolate, cold and glassy”: In the year 2309 B.c. the engineer of Emperor Yao decided to go to the moon. The “celestial bird” provided him with information on his trip. He explored space by “mounting the current of luminous air” (the exhaust of a fiery rocket?).
Hou Yih flew into space where “he did not perceive the rotary movement of the sun.”10 (This statement is of paramount importance in corroborating the story because it is only in space that man cannot see the sun rise or set.)
On the moon he saw the ‘frozenlooking horizon” and erected a building, “the Palace of Cold”.
His wife Chang Ngo likewise flew to the moon, which she found a “luminous sphere, shining like glass, of enormous size and very cold; the light of the moon has its birth in the sun,” she declared. (Chang Ngo’s moon exploration report was correct. Apollo II astronauts found the moon desolate with a glasslike soil—and parts of it even paved with pieces of glass. Most of the moon, at any given time, is in the throes of extreme cold. It plunges to minus 250 degrees Fahrenheit at midnight.)
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CHINA
20 (W): A story from this same period states that an enormous ship appeared on the sea at night with brilliant lights which were extinguished during the day. It could also sail to the moon and the stars, hence its name, “a ship hanging among the stars” or “the boat to the moon”.
This giant ship which could travel in the sky or sail the seas was seen for 12 years.11
CHINA
21 (W): “The Shi Ching” book says that when the Emperor saw crime and vice rising in the world, “he commanded Chong and Li to cut off communication between the earth and the sky—and since then there has been no more going up or down.”12
Is this not a clear indication of the cessation of space travel in the past?

The story of Chang'e (AKA Chang Ngo from Jonathan's book) is very famous in China, no one knows exactly when was the story created, but her companion great Yi was a historical figure during the reign of Yao (edited to correct a mistake in the original post), around 2300 B.C.

An essential character for this whole idea of Chang'e stole the "elixir of immortality" and then flew to the Moon is Xi Wang Mu (or the Queen Mother of the West).

She supposedly interacted with several important and famous Chinese monarchs such as Yu the Great (founding king of Xia dynasty), King Mu of Western Zhou dynasty, Qin Shihuangdi, emperor Wu of Han dynasty etc. In the famous legend of King Mu's journey to the west, the king even had an affair with her at Kunlun mountain where she supposedly resides.

Though the Queen Mother of the West is usually associated with daoism and immortality, her profile nonetheless predates organized daoism, the oracle bone inscription of Shang dynasty (1500 B.C.) mentions a "west mother", along with a "east mother", but their exact origin is yet to be understood.

Since modern advance in medical knowledge has already extended our lifespan, and technology has already took mankind to the Moon, is there a possibility that "the Queen Mother of the West" was a real personage that actually comes from an advanced civilization which possess the means to have longer life and the means to reach the Moon long before Apollo? like “Legends are like time-capsules that preserve their contents through ages of ignorance.”

If indeed the Queen Mother of the West was an alien, then the legend that she had an affair with the Chinese king may indicate that she was possibly an "Asian" looking alien, or at least she didn't hold grudge against the Chinese...

But is it possible for aliens to appear as human, even "Asian" looking?

If you have ever watched the video "UFO paintings 200 years ago Japan"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP7GgDCJAcQ...

The alien who came by your typical UFOs was referred to as "the foreign woman" by the Japanese, and they were depicted as "Asian" looking beings. Perhaps the Japanese 200 years ago knew all the fuss about Apollo 20 and "Mona Lisa", so the painting of "Asian" looking aliens must be some fake just like the Chinese would simply because "Mona Lisa" is not your typical blond? Or rather, one could find in it some consistency with the legend of Xi Wang Mu?

But that consistency is found not only in the past, but it can also be found in the present, in the West even, which would bring us the famous case of Peter Khoury.
(For details, you can look for Coast to Coast AM’s interview with Australian UFO researcher Bill Chalker on youtube, titled “UFO cases in China & Australia”)

Apparently, there were two alien beings, one of them appears to be your “typical” blonde, and the other one was described as “Asian”-looking, not to mention the weird DNA result from the Blond hair, it belongs to Lahu, an ethnic Asian group.

Now we can still all agree that Apollo 20 was just a fake, but the remarks about the physiology is just unsound, I mean the Chinese fakers could have named her Chang’e instead of Mona Lisa, for it would fit your scenario better in every bits.

But here’s a thought, is it coincidental that the Kunlun Mountain where the Queen Mother of the West resides is in the Tibet region which some say an underground Alien base exists? Could the East Mother that the oracle inscription also spoke of actually come from “the Dragon’s Triangle”? After all America is only few hundred years old, one couldn’t ask the “ancient astronauts” to wait for that long when they supposedly showed up thousands of years ago, right? But guess what, Columbus is still largely credited with the discovery of America, that’s the real fake to the bones.

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An easy way to prove mysterious lights seen by people are UFOs rather than man-made is to look back into the past.

There are many accounts from ancient China recount mysterious lights flying across the sky, some at low altitude I may add, if that still leave a possible astronomical explanation, then what about this, accounts of mysterious lights emerging around waters even from the waters. What about a man who was carried away from one province to another in a matter of minutes by some mysterious light he encountered, missile testing in ancient China? I don’t think so.

But there is much more, It is recounted in "Shiyiji"(record of gleaning) by Eastern Jin author Wang jia(?-390 AD), that "there was a huge Cha floating over the western sea during the time of emperor Yao(2000+ BC)."
Cha literally means raft, works from different period in ancient China recount the existence of the mysterious Cha, which were often called "the celestial raft" or "the star raft".

The "western sea" in ancient book refers to Qinghai Lake in Western China, but there are just few herdsmen around this remote place even today, why this supposed space traveling vehicle would appear over there? If indeed there was a huge Cha which capable of flying to the moon and beyond appeared over Qinghai Lake, then its possible there was some Alien facility under the water.

The "shiyiji" recounts things like "the moon traveling Cha", "ships that can submerge into the bottom of oceans without wetting themselves", but until now these things have been attributed to the colorful imagination of ancient people. Even the author Wang jia himself was an interesting person, the record say he was an alchemist who were good at making prophetic remarks, because of this, against his will he was taken to the courts of the invading nomadic emperors who ruled northern China, despite Wang jia had always lived in seclusion on mountains with few hundred followers. He was later executed by one nomadic emperor because his prophetic remarks were not pleasing to his master’s ears, though he was proven right after his death. His work "Shiyiji" originally had 19 chapters but due to upheaval of wars, only 10 survived.

If the Guan yue cha (moon traveling raft) and the Lun bo zhou (spiral shell-like ships that can submerge into the bottom of the oceans, their owners were called "the immortals" by the Chinese) mentioned by Wang jia’s work "shiyiji" were indeed UFOs and USOs that we know today, then the window of possibilities opens much wider. And Wang jia probably was the leader of some UFO cult that we see in the X-files.

The interesting thing is the mysterious "queen mother of the west" who is often associated with the legend of immortality and moon traveling who supposedly resides at Kunlun Mountain, is also located in the remote western region of China, it makes me wonder whether there was some connection between the huge Cha over western sea during emperor Yao’s reign in 2000+ BC and the mysterious "queen mother of the west" who supposedly interacted with several Chinese monarchs throughout early history or not.
So I have reasons to believe there are Alien facilities exist somewhere in the remote region of western China due to ancient Chinese legends and records. Even we don’t have them its still probable that Aliens would appear near secret military zones monitoring activities this certainly happens to American, Russian, British military installations, why would the Chinese be spared in that regard? I mean there are many records of military’s encounters with UFOs over the years in China. And a report by China’s "mystery magazine" even say a landed UFO struck a PLA soldier with a beam of light, caused the young man to age rapidly, like it took more than 10 years of his life, and this happened more than 20 years ago. And this region is both ideal and known place for secret Chinese military developments, like the first A-bomb was tested in Xinjiang’s Lop Nor in 1964.

So chances are, it could be Aliens and it could be military, and this region is no stranger to UFO sightings, and for certain UFO sightings reported in Xinjiang even researchers from Chinese Academy of Science believe they were not astronomical or man-made but of possible ET origin.

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like the “helicopter” on temple of Abydos
http://i53.tinypic.com/538f0n.jpg

Now if you look at the “helicopter” designed by the “genius” Da vinci,
http://i52.tinypic.com/2mfennk.jpg

It’s obvious which one resembles more to the real thing of our world. But what is the probability of some ancient Egyptian person imagined something that is remarkably close to a modern helicopter in appearance, beating the “genius” along the way？I say next to impossible.

To me this is a tentative evidence of time travel, and it’s not just the “helicopter”, you also have two unidentified flying crafts alongside the “helicopter”. So does it mean the ancient Egyptian man who created those images which supposedly based purely on his imagination that can look both 20th century and 25th century? Or rather, it points to the possibility that someone from the 20-21st century went back in time to Ancient Egypt because they got the help from some advanced entities whose technological level belongs to the 25th century？

If you apply the same logic and examine the mysterious Cha mentioned in ancient Chinese books, here allow me to cite something I mentioned in another thread

Authored by a Western Jin dynasty writer and official Zhang Hua(232-300 AD) ,the "Bo wu zhi"(record of natural science) recount the story of the Xian Cha: "It is said, once upon a time the Milky Way and the sea were connected, in recent time there were people live at the seashore, every year in the August the floating raft would arrive and leave on time, there was a man with high aspirations, tall pavilions were set up on the raft, with abundant supplies, the man boarded the raft and left. For more than 10 days, stars, the moon, the sun passed by as he observed them, afterwards, the vastness made him indistinguishable of the nights and days. Another 10 days of travel, he suddenly arrived at a place where he saw many buildings which looks like a city, from distance he saw a weaving woman in the palace, he saw a man with an Ox drinking at the waterside. Surprised, the Cowherd asked him "how did you get here?", he explained himself and asked the Cowherd "what is this place?", replied "return to visit Yan jun ping in the prefecture of Shu for answer", therefore he returned without landing. Thereafter a visit was paid to jun ping in the prefecture of Shu(today's Sichuan province of China), he told him that "there was a guest star violating the constellation Qianniu". and that's when the man paid the visit to the Milky Way"

The Song dynasty work "Tai ping guang ji"(Extensive Records of the Taiping Era) is a collection of things stretching a period from the Han dynasty(206 BC- 220 AD) to the Song dynasty(960-1279 AD), citing "Dong tian ji" it says "The Yan Zun(the same person as Yan jun ping in "Bo wu zhi") 'Xian Cha' was placed in the Linde palace of the Tang dynasty(618-907 AD),it is a metal object with the length of more than fifty chi(the measure of chi is different for different dynasties, it is 1chi=27.65cm during the Qin-Han period; 1chi=31.1cm during the Tang dynasty; 1chi=30.72cm during the Song dynasty, thus making the 'Xian Cha of Yan Zun' at least 15 meters long), its hard and it does not corrode. Li deyu(787-850 AD, Tang prime minister) cut thin branch of more than 1chi, carved an image which often flies away and returns, it disappeared since the era of Guangming(reign of emperor Xizong of Tang dynasty), the Cha(raft,ship) then flew away as well."

The Tang dynasty poet Li shi wrote in his poem "one should ask if one ever gets the chance to meet jun ping, when will the Xian Cha be returning after its departure?"

The "Shiyiji"(Records of Gleaning) by Eastern Jin author Wang jia (?-390 AD), says during the time of Emperor Yao "there was a huge Cha floating over the western sea."

So “the celestial raft” can fly and it’s made of metal? You think some 3rd century or 10th century AD Chinese writer would choose metal instead of wood or other light materials which would have been more practical and applicable as the candidate in their “imaginative” works that “reflects their desire of flight”, and those imaginative transportations echoes so much like the typical UFOs and USOs that we know today? But wait a second, they weren’t novelists, they were simply collecting knowledge from the past, that’s why it’s called “record”, and yes the Chinese by 10th century can differentiate between a novel and a record, because by then we had them in two separate categories already.

So the metal Cha was placed in the Tang dynasty palace, and it’s prime minister “carved an image which often flies away and returns”? What this piece of information hint us I believe is that some individuals in ancient China not only knew about the Alien crafts, there may even be contacts between the ancient men and the owner of these crafts (reminds us of the story of Yan Zun, AKA Yan jun ping and his knowledge of the “celestial raft”), else how was it possible for a 8-9th century Tang Chinese to create something that could fly away and returns?

To me the mystery of Abydos “helicopter” from ancient Egypt echoes the mystery of “celestial rafts” from ancient China.

But as it is preposterous to suggest time travel and humans working with Aliens since early times, it’s evenly preposterous not to think of the possible meanings that this probability would have on human civilization as we know it.

On the matter of Abydos “helicopter”, I just want to add that as I believe it may indicate time travel by present technology, I have always felt interesting about this, that be it the mysterious light ball around crop circles in Britain, or cattle mutilations in America, you have the military involved, and most often it takes the form of helicopters, and here you have a correlation to the Adydos theme. Whatever the truth might be, it’s being concealed to the public. Oh, which is exactly the theme of Stargate SG-1, protocols you know. Interesting the fictional journey starts with Abydos and is also heavily involved with the military. You know, they could be telling us the truth after all, and before our very eyes, sort of. And I believe there is no such thing as coincidences, like coincidence that the ancient Egyptian imagined the “helicopter”, or the ancient Chinese imagined “the celestial raft”, there is always an interrelationship in such coincidences.

[hao]

Posted by yuhui (here)

Posted by Airwooz (here)
To be realistic I think you didn't realize how deep your life has been control by the goverment, too naive to think that ORDINARY CHINES has this ability to run a disclosure campaign in China. Look beyond the sea they have Alex jones, David Icke, Steve greer, Richard hogland................ and all kinds of alternative media fighting this War, what about China? Can you show me something you consider as None goverment movement ?!

OF COURSE I know the CONTROL by the government.I think expecting China to have someone lecturing reptilians shadow Government is naive.

By "reptilian shadow government", do you mean those "negative spirit" covertly running the so called "free nations", or do you mean the "Draco/reptilian" the Chinese dragon represents? or both ?

please referring to the following in the "Chinese briefcases" thread

On the other end we have China who are direct descendents from the Draco and have a specific bezerk gene sequence in them to help them survive the terraforming. China is the protector and propagator of this organism and have given a blueprint of events(briefcases on October 13th 2010) of how they want to establish their future global empire. This organism isn't anything like we've seen before, it can interact with all matter, dead or living, around it. We also have the Aannanuki arriving, we expect between now and before 2016. The Draco are not the same as the Annanuki(Illuminati Saturn setup), they are in fact the "master/pindar" reptilians while the Annanuki are the "warrior" reptilians. So its not the Rockefellers or Rothschild's that are behind the real running of the illuminati, It was and always has been lead by the Chinese Pindar. The Rockefellers & Rothschild are part of the Ananuki Illuminati and the other 11 bloodlines but they not the Pindar/master Illuminati.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...ge1219578/pg25

[hao]

Nexus magazine is 'highly regarded' in the alternative field, so what its editor has to say carry certain weight. Not to mention GLP is a "major UFO" forum.

Quote from a forumer

Posted by Anonymous Coward
nexus magazine is highly regarded in the field of unexplained/paranormal phenomena and the op has his magazine's reputation to protect so when he makes a statement like this it has my attention.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1219578/pg2

And Nexus editor certainly believes the information he received is genuine

Posted by nexuseditor
I am not making this up. I believe it to be true.
If this information upsets or offends you in anyway, I am happy to delete your posts and let you go elsewhere.

So what this "Chinese briefcases" thread concluded regarding 'China-Alien connection' as Nexus editor summarized

Posted by nexuseditor
I tend to lean towards the idea that China DOES have expansionist plans, that it does have a new technological edge, and that it does have a 'new' relationship with alien visitors. I do NOT feel that China is positioning itself to become some sort of savior of mankind.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...ge1219578/pg28

Coincidentally, Kerry Cassidy reached similar conclusion

Posted by Kerry Cassidy
Another interesting bit of information from another source tells me that the newest arrivals from 'outer space' are working with the Chinese. And that China is, as a result, building up their war machine at an unprecedented rate. The 'new guys' on the block are not friendly to the rest of us. And they are supplying China with the means to even the playing field. So much for the 'China is our savior' PR campaign that has had some success among the 'alternative community'.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

Kerry Cassidy not only received similar information to Nexus editor, that the aliens working with China are "new guys", that they are "not friendly to the rest of humanity", that they are helping the Chinese in a way that threatens the world, but she also explicitly expressed her discontent about this 'China-alien connection' being portrayed as "positive" among the 'alternative community'.

Unlike those two 'big names' in the 'alternative community', Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock have very different approach in regard to China's role. With Ben says "China should get the Nobel Peace Prize", while DW's "China's October surprise" pretty much put the Chinese on a positive light.

It seems obvious the 'alternative community' is divided on this issue.

Before i share my research on ancient China-alien connection, origin of dragon, the cultural connection between China and the Americas etc, I just want to quote a third person's opinion about Kerry Cassidy

Posted by protecting our sovereignty
I read from Bill’s blog that Kerry purposefully deleted the Anglo-saxon video from project camelot (twice) because it portrays a racially sensitive issue.

Not only that, this document highlights the racial hatred and to what extent of the white man is capable of doing to the Asian populace.

Kerry cassidy, either infiltrated or by her own discrimination will have none of this because she is of anglo-saxon heritage.

The proof of her personal agendas are amply evident in her videos. For example, you will find in several of her publications that she questions whether China/the Chinese will do this or that, as if she finds the Chinese population a threat to her and her heritage.

In light of all this, I personally view the Camelot split to be the best thing to happen to Bill.

Bill can now work with the greatest integrity and he doesn’t need Kerry to stand in the way of truth.

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/04/kerry...ll-ryan-split/

Without analyze further, let's say it's obvious there is a disinformation campaign going on in regard to 'China-Alien connection'.

But, for those who portray the Chinese and their Alien allies as 'negative', they don't have a clue about ancient China-Alien connection when they call those aliens "new guys", they don't know the ancient "gods" in China are essentially the same group of "ETs" that influenced both ancient China and Americas, they have no clue to the origin of Chinese dragon when they link the Chinese dragon to "Draco/reptilian". And it’s even more 'interesting' when the "Chinese briefcases" thread reached a conclusion that the illuminati reptilians are really but a servant to the Chinese 'pindar/master' reptilians.

For all the centuries of Western effort and tradition to demonize the dragon, and to have systematically destroyed the Mayan and Incan cultures which are essentially 'serpent cultures', and the catholic church's support of the Nazi, their expedition to Tibet, the dropa stones,Dalai Lama's "greater Tibet", Harrer's "Seven years in Tibet" and the subsequent "Free Tibet" hype, and their "Anglo-Saxon mission" or "the new dawn", now suddenly the Chinese, the very people the "Anglo-Saxon mission" wants to eliminate is 'revealed' as the same 'manipulative reptilians' with the illuminati who have that plan to kill off the Chinese who supposedly have the "berzerk gene".

Not only that, according to the "Chinese briefcases" thread, with the help of their alien relatives, the Chinese want to eradicate everyone else on earth. The plot is completely contrary to the plot of "anglo-Saxon mission". Just like Nexus editor and Kerry Cassidy's attitude towards "China-alien connection" is completely contrary to Benjamin and David Wilcock.

[cayman]

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
Hi Cayman, have just seen this thread, very interesting! What is the current status of the 2012 article?
In terms of material, John Major Jenkins is good. He looks at it from an "awakening" not an earth changes perspective.
While the following site is sceptical, it is good because it explains quite a lot of the existing theories http://www.2012hoax.org/

In terms of the article on 2012, here is my suggestion. Rather than saying, 2012 is this or is that, you can look at it as a cultural analysis of what is going on in esp the West. As in, many people now are interested in 2012. But what is all the fuss about? Here are the theories and here is what people are saying.

In that way you can present all of the information relating to 2012 in a neutral way. How does that sound?

thank you,Cognitive Dissident, your post is very helpful. I checked the http://www.2012hoax.org/ , I like the its idea concern 2012, really objective and helpful.
Been out for somedays. Busy with the article story stuff. since the Japanese incident happened, efforts had to be made as soon as possible, till today, first edition of the cover story have been created. Tomorrow, editors will discuss all of the articles, I hope all of them get pass. we focus on the relationship between nature and human, modern society paradigm, nature disaster I.E. Japanese earthquake---is a chance to review our(human) position in this world----and lead to awakening discussion.

when they reach the final edition, ETA: 1 week