30 Little Known Facts About America

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jonathon (here)
I have heard too that some have walked into the bar with a pen and checkbook in hand, and stated (roughly) "as acting agent for JOHN H DOE I am here to settle all claims" before any hearing has even taken place. The trustee requests / takes the charging instrument(s), A4Vs it and has it handed to the judge and requests that the judge exercise ordinary care as holder in due course (if it is questioned). End. Apparently when done this way, there is also no record established. All they are really after in the 1st place is the claim to be paid. Good and good.

Interesting. The strawman is your agent, so I would think you would need to fine tune that a bit.
Tell them you are the principal or the like.

[Jonathon]

@king anthony:
Thank you for your response. I consider discussion with other students an important part of the journey.

By man on the land, I mean sovereign - a non-slave, free-man in every sense of the term.

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Interesting. The strawman is your agent, so I would think you would need to fine tune that a bit.
Tell them you are the principal or the like.

My understanding: the strawman is the corporation - a dead thing. The agent is a living representative acting in the capacity of trustee (authorized representative), however without the liability of the NAME. AKA 3rd party intervener, or agent.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jonathon (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Interesting. The strawman is your agent, so I would think you would need to fine tune that a bit.
Tell them you are the principal or the like.

My understanding: the strawman is the corporation - a dead thing. The agent is a living representative acting in the capacity of trustee (authorized representative), however without the liability of the NAME. AKA 3rd party intervener, or agent.

Almost. The strawman is your agent in commerce. It is dead and you can't be an agent of a dead thing.
If you profess to being a man/woman that is.

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Almost. The strawman is your agent in commerce. It is dead and you can't be an agent of a dead thing.
If you profess to being a man/woman that is.

Agent: (Law) one who acts for, or in the place of, another, by authority from him.
Agent (science): Any power, principle or substance capable of producing an effect,

As a dead thing, a corporation is unable to act or produce effect and has no inherent power. The agent is the 'thing' that enlivens it - thus must be living (not unlike a soul or spirit is the agent acting on the body that brings life). The strawman is not an agent, it is a conduit for the agent - a 'suit' or persona. The 'gurus' I have studied use the term 'agent' as the 3rd party authorized representative for the corporation - that makes sense to me based on the definitions of agent and the 3rd party intervener strategy in court. I don't see how it fits any other way - what am I missing from your perspective?

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jonathon (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Almost. The strawman is your agent in commerce. It is dead and you can't be an agent of a dead thing.
If you profess to being a man/woman that is.

Agent: (Law) one who acts for, or in the place of, another, by authority from him.
Agent (science): Any power, principle or substance capable of producing an effect,

As a dead thing, a corporation is unable to act or produce effect and has no inherent power. The agent is the 'thing' that enlivens it - thus must be living (not unlike a soul or spirit is the agent acting on the body that brings life). The strawman is not an agent, it is a conduit for the agent - a 'suit' or persona. The 'gurus' I have studied use the term 'agent' as the 3rd party authorized representative for the corporation - that makes sense to me based on the definitions of agent and the 3rd party intervener strategy in court. I don't see how it fits any other way - what am I missing from your perspective?

That law definition would be a strawman agent acting for a corporation (another strawman).
The science definition is not relevant for this discussion.
Ok, let me ask you this then, why did the powers that be create the strawman as far as you are concerned? Not all the other stuff about money and such, but how it effects you directly.

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
That law definition would be a strawman agent acting for a corporation (another strawman).
The science definition is not relevant for this discussion.
Ok, let me ask you this then, why did the powers that be create the strawman as far as you are concerned? Not all the other stuff about money and such, but how it effects you directly.

The definitions (law and science) are the same - just in different context. My answer to that question would be: a strawman is a persona - a known/identifiable vessel. It is definable property. Property can be seized, encumbered, sold etc. Control the body, control the agent - that being the soul.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jonathon (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
That law definition would be a strawman agent acting for a corporation (another strawman).
The science definition is not relevant for this discussion.
Ok, let me ask you this then, why did the powers that be create the strawman as far as you are concerned? Not all the other stuff about money and such, but how it effects you directly.

The definitions (law and science) are the same - just in different context. My answer to that question would be: a strawman is a persona - a known/identifiable vessel. It is definable property. Property can be seized, encumbered, sold etc. Control the body, control the agent - that being the soul.

Taking into account the difficulties we face with text alone, I will give you the answer.
The strawman was created to be your agent in commerce.
In the same way that your computer can't run on electricity from the wall socket as it is 12v and needs a transformer, the strawman is your conduit into the world of fiction, that being law/commerce.
That being the case, you can NEVER be the agent for it, as it is and always was YOUR agent.
Does that explain the point better?

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Taking into account the difficulties we face with text alone, I will give you the answer.
The strawman was created to be your agent in commerce.
In the same way that your computer can't run on electricity from the wall socket as it is 12v and needs a transformer, the strawman is your conduit into the world of fiction, that being law/commerce.
That being the case, you can NEVER be the agent for it, as it is and always was YOUR agent.
Does that explain the point better?

Not really because in my mind conduit is a passage and agent is the energy moving through that passage. The definitions aren't at all compatible. A dead thing can't be the energy. I can see how someone might make that mistake in word choice - one might confuse IRS agent as a person/thing (noun), however the term more accurately means 'carrying the energy of / acting in the capacity of' (adjective/verb). The agent (in terms of how I'm using it / learned it) has no name - it is the acting in capacity of the persona - not the same as the persona.

I'll sleep on it. Must sleep... hehe =)

[king anthony]

Is not this forum (this thread) to share information, be constructive, to contribute and aid!? Does there not come a time, in the advancement of one, when debate and 'fight' becomes moot and hinders progress!?

The competitive nature (and ignorance resulting in rudeness) has been conditioned into the human species; however, it is not a part of the human species - and is the cause of how things are in the world today. Some confuse challenge with forethought, yet both differ.

Why is it when one cannot make sense of things, from their limits, it is then projected as another's burden and failure!? Has not an attempt been made to share knowledge, to which it has dismissed without merit!?

Thank you to those who have contributed to this thread - I am done with this thread and ready to explore others.

One final note: a corporation has the stats of an artificial person and has, for example, an operating mind. It is everything that a real person is; and it is treated as a living thing even though it is not. The 'laws' in place (now) have been created to aid the artificial person and look after its best interest, not the real person - thus the laws are unjust to the real person. Through this, the few real persons (the ruling class) control everything - their tool for dominance.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Jonathon (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Taking into account the difficulties we face with text alone, I will give you the answer.
The strawman was created to be your agent in commerce.
In the same way that your computer can't run on electricity from the wall socket as it is 12v and needs a transformer, the strawman is your conduit into the world of fiction, that being law/commerce.
That being the case, you can NEVER be the agent for it, as it is and always was YOUR agent.
Does that explain the point better?

Not really because in my mind conduit is a passage and agent is the energy moving through that passage. The definitions aren't at all compatible. A dead thing can't be the energy. I can see how someone might make that mistake in word choice - one might confuse IRS agent as a person/thing (noun), however the term more accurately means 'carrying the energy of / acting in the capacity of' (adjective/verb). The agent (in terms of how I'm using it / learned it) has no name - it is the acting in capacity of the persona - not the same as the persona.

I'll sleep on it. Must sleep... hehe =)

Well, here is the problem. You have a definition or comprehension of the words that isn't what is commonly used.
That is fine for you, until you want to play in their sandbox, then you will hit the wall.
The strawman is created by government.
Government is created by men and women.
The strawman can not have a higher status than you.
Is that a better way for you to get the idea?

[KosmicKat]

Posted by Jonathon (here)
@king anthony:
Thank you for your response. I consider discussion with other students an important part of the journey.

By man on the land, I mean sovereign - a non-slave, free-man in every sense of the term.

I'm still learning about this whole subject. My comprehension of the subject so far might be summarized as:

"A free man on the land under common law" is, essentially, an invocation of your right to be heard under common law as opposed to Admiralty or commercial law which treats all parties under the same principles as vessels at sea (derived originally from Roman law).

[scotusa]

Posted by humanalien (here)

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by humanalien (here)

Posted by king anthony (here)
After briefly reviewing the above material - well done! Did you mention the District of Columbia (D.C.)? You did mention one of the two other 'partners' of D.C. and skimmed over the third one... and there is so much more. I feel the above is a great start for this thread.

Yes. I did leave some info but there is so much more, it's hard to post it all.

I got three my point to make though, since you brought it up.

1: Washington DC is it's own country
2: Rothschild central bank in london is it's own country
3: The vatican is it's own country.

There are probably more but it don't know of them yet.

For number two, you mean The City of London.
They are indeed all sovereign themselves and I suspect the three city states are the REAL United Kingdom, not the one we commonly think of.

I'm not familiar with the london area but i think that applies
to the whole area where the Rothschild banking community thrives.
It's a whole business district about two or three blocks long.

I'm really not real sure about that though, so i will attempt to
find out more about it.

The BIS (Bank of International Settlements) has a territory in Basle Switzerland that is also a separate territory, guess who owns them? Hint, it begins with an R. They audit all the financial goings on of all member countries. They were supposed to audit the USA end of financial year report on Sept 30th 2008 (irregularities were suspected) but weasel G W Bush had it delayed until March 2009 when the new president would inherit the problem and bag of crap. Guess why and where all that rescue money went to?

[Northern Boy]

"Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial person. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this that no government as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc., can concern itself with anything other that corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them." Penhallow vs. Doane's Administrator, 3 US 54, 1 L.Ed.57, 3 Dall. 54 (1795)


"That the majority shall prevail is a rule posterior to the formation of government, and results from it. It is not a rule binding upon mankind in their natural state. There, every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent.". CRUDEN v. NEALE, 2 N.C. 338 May Term 1796

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Northern Boy (here)
"Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial person. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this that no government as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc., can concern itself with anything other that corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them." Penhallow vs. Doane's Administrator, 3 US 54, 1 L.Ed.57, 3 Dall. 54 (1795)


"That the majority shall prevail is a rule posterior to the formation of government, and results from it. It is not a rule binding upon mankind in their natural state. There, every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent.". CRUDEN v. NEALE, 2 N.C. 338 May Term 1796

Thanks nugget that has no thanks button.

[humanalien]

Northern Boy

Since you had your thank-you button removed, i'll thank you here. Although everyone here seems to know
what a strawman is, you have come the closes to describing it.

A strawman is a creature of the mind only.

Many of you are saying that the strawman is a dead thing or a dead persona but something first had to
have been alive before it can be considered dead. On that note i'll add that the strawman was never
alive at any time. It is a creation of the mind, neither dead nor alive.

The strawman is more like a title given to us at birth to take away our sovereign rights as a natural born
citizen and it made us become a property of the government.

Going off subject just slightly here for a minute.

How many of you here know that originally, that the federal tax that each america has to pay, was never
intended for anyone to pay into? It was originally designed only for companies/corporations that made a
profit every year. If said company didn't make any profits, then it didn't pay taxes and if it did, it payed taxes.
It was never intended for any individual in america to have to pay taxes.

This is how the government gets away with forcing you to pay taxes. They recreate you as a corporation
at birth and there-by in accordance with federal law, you as a corporation are required to pay taxes. They
set the guidelines so low that it shows every working american as making a profit and there-by they are
required to pay taxes.

[Jonathon]

@ king anthony - certainly hope I didn't offend in any way as it wasn't my intention. A friendly game of tennis is good exercise for the mind and a good learning tool (at least for me).

@ Lord Sidious - yes absolutely aware the strawman has no higher status, because it is a fiction. It really has no status other than what the real person delivers to it and through it. I also think you are correct that the disparity here is on the definition of agent. Otherwise I believe we are coming from the same place (and I emphasize believe). Thank you for the back and forth.

@ Northern Boy - thanks for your most recent post - good stuff.

@ humanalien - yes it seems the strawman is simply a registered title identifying a trust and its res. That's what I mean by dead - it's a fiction. One of two really. The 'natural person' (private trust) contracts to create the corporate/juristic person (public trust - strawman), however like the quote Northern Boy posted above, a fiction can/will only recognize a fiction of it's own nature (thus the public and private are completely different jurisdictions).

Funny, yes, that we are all for profit corporations - it's one thing they absolutely REFUSE to tell anyone, and rightly so as it would blow the whole game wide open. After years worth of court cases, rulings etc - LOL they hide that little gem like Mother's vanity. Perhaps we should all re-register our strawmen as NPOs - I started looking into this after it was mentioned by one of the groups I follow a few months ago. Seems totally plausible, however I haven't gotten through much of the data as of yet.

[Lord Sidious]

Jonathon, there is no such thing as a ''natural person'' that is their description of the strawman.
A person in law is always a fictitious legal entity.
And no, we are not for profit corporations, we are facets of that which created us, we are alive.
Never forget that, or you will pay.

[Northern Boy]

"Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this that no government as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc., can concern itself with anything other that corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them." Penhallow vs. Doane's Administrator, 3 US 54, 1 L.Ed.57, 3 Dall. 54 (1795)


a government can interface only with other artificial persons.............. this is why your name is in caps

the imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, (Doesn`t exist) is foreclosed(prevented) from creating and attaining parity (equal status) with the tangible (living beings).

corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them. .................This is why they create the strawman so they can try to attain equal footing with you the living being. But understand in their eyes your already dead and have been since the age of 7 yrs old

[Jonathon]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
Jonathon, there is no such thing as a ''natural person'' that is their description of the strawman.
A person in law is always a fictitious legal entity.
And no, we are not for profit corporations, we are facets of that which created us, we are alive.
Never forget that, or you will pay.

HI L.S. - I'm just saying there are 2 'strawmen' - the 'natural person' (defined as a Private Trust - name in upper and lower case) and a juristic person (Public Trust, name in all caps). The public trust strawman is a for-profit corporation which is why it is a taxable entity. Both are fictions and neither are 'me'. I'm not confusing 'me' with either of those.

It's my understanding that the private trust, or natural person, is created via the birth certificate in contract under Constitution authority: jurisdiction A (republic). The public trust, corporate person, is created via the SS5 - contract with the Democracy, or jurisdiction B (public) as it is called. So there is a private conduit and a public conduit - like 2 concentric circles with the private in the core.