The Charles Material and its effect on the hegemony of the NWO agenda and debate.

[Icecold]

Hegemony is the political, economic, ideological or cultural power exerted by a dominant group over other groups. It requires the consent of the majority to keep the dominant group in power. The term has come to be used in a variety of other contexts.


Like no other Material previously disclosed, the Charles material has polarized the NWO debate. The greatest effect it has achieved is to move the focus of the NWO debate AWAY from the United States where it has been dominant since the origins of the debate.

Prior to release of the Charles material the NWO debate was dominated by American whistleblowers and American disclosure experts. This view does not say that disclosure experts were not present in other parts of the world, the view is saying that the hegemony relating to the debate rested firmly in the hands of US disclosure community. They WERE the dominant group.

The greatest effect of the Charles material has been to shift the hegemony from the United States to Europe. Specifically the UK. This has cause an uproar in the disclosure community.

This has dramatically affected the career paths of not only US disclosure experts, but also US whistleblowers. It has fundamentally turned people’s heads away from their stories. This must have ramifications and we can see them unfolding now as the realization sinks in.

In response to this realization, for example, Kerry Cassidy has mounted a campaign which challenges the Charles material at many levels. She is beginning to marshal her forces such among some of the whistleblowers whose limelight has been put in the shade, as it were, by the Charles material. Duncan O’Finnian, Heather, there will be others. There is a concerted attempt being made by Kerry Cassidy and her allies, to get involved in the Charles material while on the other hand working hard to discredit the material. This is a critical priority for the Kerry Cassidy brigade for one reason that is that it may be the case that after recruiting the 18, Charles will fundamentally disappear from the scene and be largely unavailable for comment. This seems obvious; Charles is not in the vein of US whistleblowers who are public celebrities. So Kerry needs to move fast to get her people into the debate, before the Charles information goes underground.

The major difference between the Charles material and the existing US NWO order material is that the US material has no effective road down which to travel, other than hoping that the public will wake up enough to engage in a revolution against the NWO. On the other hand, the Charles material has made it clear there is a plan in place and that plan will be carried out with the help of a selected group of people. In other words, something is planned to start, a practical approach which the US NWO debate does not have. The US story is in a holding pattern designed to create various lecturing careers for a variety of whistleblowers, NWO experts and pseudo prophets. The careers are reminiscent of the Oprah Winfrey cult of personality, American phenomena.





Let's discuss this view........

[Humble Janitor]

*Yawn*

Divide and conquer, the same 'ol game. Nothing ever changes.

Charles will pass like Blossom Goodchild and Keisha Crowther. Just another new-age fad.

[Icecold]

Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
*Yawn*

Divide and conquer, the same 'ol game. Nothing ever changes.

Charles will pass like Blossom Goodchild and Keisha Crowther. Just another new-age fad.

Speaking of the US inspired de-bunking of the Charles material....maybe we should run a poll regarding the support and opposition to the Charles material by national interest.

I made a bet with myself that you would be the first member to post. You didn't disappoint.

[Humble Janitor]

You are attempting to shoot poison darts at Kerry Cassidy. Why not go on her own forum and tell it to her? I have dual membership at both forums but I spend most of my time here. Go figure.

How could anyone not see the Charles material as a publicity stunt? With this talk about him starting his own site, it all sounds like marketing genius:

Create dissent, cull your herd and lead them over to another forum where you can shuck and devour them.

Again, you can call Kerry out on her own turf rather than from the safe confines of Avalon castle.

[Icecold]

ROTFLMAO.

Keep communicating please this is interesting.

[Humble Janitor]

Posted by Icecold (here)

Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
*Yawn*

Divide and conquer, the same 'ol game. Nothing ever changes.

Charles will pass like Blossom Goodchild and Keisha Crowther. Just another new-age fad.

Speaking of the US inspired de-bunking of the Charles material....maybe we should run a poll regarding the support and opposition to the Charles material by national interest.

I made a bet with myself that you would be the first member to post. You didn't disappoint.

One more thing: Nationality does not matter in this game. All Western nations are under the control of the 33 and so forth.

I am not a patriotic person but thank you for trying to use my nationality as an indicator of ignorance. I could say things about your country as well but I'm above that.

[Icecold]

I thought you didn't believe in the Charles material?

All Western nations are under the control of the 33 and so forth.

Fishy isn't it.

How could anyone not see the Charles material as a publicity stunt?

No one said that except you.

[moais]

We are all on the wrong track if we say we are on the right track!!!!!!!!!

[Calz]

Posted by Icecold (here)
Hegemony is the political, economic, ideological or cultural power exerted by a dominant group over other groups. It requires the consent of the majority to keep the dominant group in power. The term has come to be used in a variety of other contexts.


Like no other Material previously disclosed, the Charles material has polarized the NOW debate. The greatest effect it has achieved is to move the focus of the NOW debate AWAY from the United States where it has been dominant since the origins of the debate.

Prior to release of the Charles material the NWO debate was dominated by American whistleblowers and American disclosure experts. This view does not say that disclosure experts were not present in other parts of the world, the view is saying that the hegemony relating to the debate rest firmly in the hands of US disclosure community. They WERE the dominant group.

The greatest effect of the Charles material has been to shift the hegemony from the United States to Europe. Specifically the UK. This has cause uproar in the disclosure community.

This has dramatically affected the career paths of not only US disclosure experts, but also US whistleblowers. It has fundamentally turned people’s heads away from their stories. This must have ramifications and we can see them unfolding now as the realization sinks in.

In response to this realization, for example, Kerry Cassidy has mounted a campaign which challenges the Charles material at many levels. She is beginning to marshal her forces such among some of the whistleblowers whose limelight has been put in the shade, as it were, by the Charles material. Duncan O’Finnian, Heather, there will be others. There is a concerted attempt being made by Kerry Cassidy and her allies, to get involved in the Charles material while on the other hand working hard to discredit the material. This is a critical priority for the Kerry Cassidy brigade for one reason that is that it may be the case that after recruiting the 18, Charles will fundamentally disappear from the scene and be largely unavailable for comment. This seems obvious; Charles is not in the vein of US whistleblowers who are public celebrities. So Kerry needs to move fast to get her people into the debate, before the Charles information goes underground.

The major difference between the Charles material and the existing US NWO order material is that the US material has no effective road down which to travel, other than hoping that the public will wake up enough to engage in a revolution against the NWO. On the other hand, the Charles material has made it clear there is a plan in place and that plan will be carried out with the help of a selected group of people. In other words, something is planned to start, a practical approach which the US NWO debate does not have. The US story is in a holding pattern designed to create various lecturing careers for a variety of whistleblowers, NWO experts and pseudo prophets. The careers are reminiscent of the Oprah Winfrey cult of personality, American phenomena.





Let's discuss this view........

Ice I have really come to repect you. You caught my attention with your opinion regarding wilcock since I have been a long time follower of david's material.

Yes that has nothing to do with charles.

I don't have insider information or experience. No whistleblower or black op boy here.

Just a guy.

My gut tells me that *no* *one* really knows what is coming down in the next decade.

Lotso money building underground.

So who is left in charge now??? 33 broken up (allegedly). Satinists? Suits?

You come across as one that "knows" yet is respectful (and I appreciate that).

You think anyone (human or otherwise) has more power than what "Mother Earth" will do to protect herself???

Really??? If so explain it to us.

No way am I "picking on you" specifically. You don't come across as the latest of saviours that have appeared here to illuminate all us poor humans as to our history and future. Charles appears to be going offline for awhile until he can get his own site going ... the heather material gives me a headache ... who knows? Enlightened has returned to hell? I have the deepest repect for Bill (and that is why many of us are here) but he has his hands full.

I am reaching out to you to synthesize what your take is with your "backchannel information" with ... whoever. No worship ... not asking you to fill in the void as the latest guru to pontificate to Avalon. Again I have come to respect you and would be interested to hear your take. There are others here I have a deep respect for but this is your thread ... and I am responding.

Respectfully and gratefully,

Cal

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duncan - *DING DING DING* (Art Bell)

nation states - illusion for the most part doncha think???

kerry vs bill take on charles - I trust bill's take yet appreciate kerry's intuition - catch 22 ???

[firstlook]

So what are we discussing?

The celebration of UK truthers and the Fall of American Truthers?

seems silly if you think about it.

We should support each other no matter any seemingly different cultural barriers.

Just some thoughts.

[jorr lundstrom]

Arent they down to the 7.

[firstlook]

Icecold,

I keep re reading your OP. Could you be more specific about how you think The Hegemony is different between the two groups?

Do you see it presenting different aspects?

thanks.

[Icecold]

Calz, thanks for the post mate,

I take no offence at anything you said in your post.

I respect your opinion greatly.

You think anyone (human or otherwise) has more power than what "Mother Earth" will do to protect herself???

No I don't. I love 'mother earth' and would like to protect her from those that seek to exploit and destroy her. I do understand her power. I agree with you.

What I'm saying Calz, is that there is now a devious effort to subvert the Charles material for purposes of not only restoring the hegemony of the debate to the US NWO experts, but to also seize control of the material for whatever purpose. The purpose may be sinister depending on who gains insider access to the material.

I believe Atticus will know to protect himself as a source.

[Icecold]

We should support each other no matter any seemingly different cultural barriers.

Oh I agree. However, that's not my point.

[firstlook]

Posted by Icecold (here)

We should support each other no matter any seemingly different cultural barriers.

Oh I agree. However, that's not my point.

Are you saying that Like alot of the truth movement, Whistle blowing is being corrupted by individual corporate interests?

[take]

Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
*Yawn*

Divide and conquer, the same 'ol game. Nothing ever changes.

Charles will pass like Blossom Goodchild and Keisha Crowther. Just another new-age fad.

Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
You are attempting to shoot poison darts at Kerry Cassidy. Why not go on her own forum and tell it to her? I have dual membership at both forums but I spend most of my time here. Go figure.

How could anyone not see the Charles material as a publicity stunt? With this talk about him starting his own site, it all sounds like marketing genius:

Create dissent, cull your herd and lead them over to another forum where you can shuck and devour them.

Ouch.
What has been divided/dividing? Avalon? People? Opinions?
And who has been doing it? And why? Charles has not, Bill has not... nor has the material. Once again, the answer lies within. (and I'm not talking about lying here)

Who cares about who cares about the Charles material and who doesn't. Energy is wasted on useless debating (in general), don't you think? Whatever you think, I doubt that there is any need to take it personally and feel any division.

Take it easy.
Take care.

Peace.

[Icecold]

Are you saying that Like alot of the truth movement, Whistle blowing is being corrupted by individual corporate interests?

Very good firstlook, in a way yes.

What I am not saying is that people like yourself, mr and mrs 'honest seeker of truth' have anything to do with it, no matter what your nationality.
We as truth seekers, as apart from certain Whistleblower and NWO experts, are innocent parties.

[firstlook]

Posted by take (here)
Ouch.
What has been divided/dividing? Avalon? People? Opinions?
And who has been doing it? And why? Charles has not, Bill has not... nor has the material. Once again, the answer lies within. (and I'm not talking about lying here)

Who cares about who cares about the Charles material and who doesn't. Energy is wasted on useless debating, don't you think? Whatever you think, I doubt that there is any need to take it personally and feel any division.

Take it easy.
Take care.

Peace.

I dont think its useless. I think there is a valid issue being brought up here.

I think it has to do with what a Whistle Blowers role is in the truth community.

Not sure yet though.

[firstlook]

Posted by Icecold (here)
Very good firstlook, in a way yes.

What I am not saying is that people like yourself, mr and mrs 'honest seeker of truth' have anything to do with it, no matter what your nationality.
We as truth seekers, as apart from certain Whistleblower and NWO experts, are innocent parties.

I can understand this outlook.

But I have a question, maybe you can answer it.

Is any part of the truth movement more responsible for organizing a change? Whether it be whistle blowers, lecturers, writers, researchers, radio show hosts, etc.... (The social aspect)

If you are commending Charles for organizing sort of a step up for people to respond, I totally agree on that. But is it because of his title as whistle blower? It might seem like a silly question, but the fact that he presents insider information, I dont think should have baring on what responsibilities he has when it comes to organizing peoples intentions.

That should be appreciated to the person and not the title, IMO.

[Icecold]

Firstlook:

Is any part of the truth movement more responsible for organizing a change? Whether it be whistle blowers, lecturers, writers, researchers, radio show hosts, etc.... (The social aspect)

This is a good question.

I'd say no. As human beings we have a duty to do our best to organise a change, whether we are Whistleblowers, NWO experts or truth seekers. Its a duty of care.