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    Default Re: The Charles Material and its effect on the hegemony of the NWO agenda and debate.

    Firstly thank you for your response however, can I point out to become constructive something has to be acknowledged and thats exactly what this thread is doing when it was started as a discussion about NWO I think ?

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    Thanks MW,

    Quote Perhaps this manifesto is so concise and illuminating enough that we have no place to take this further in a way that stays healthy.
    I suppose the statement is a statement and its own explanation. Thanks for the insight.


    I'm sure other thoughts will be added as people see the thread.

    All threads cook..to a certain extent.


    Thanks for your thoughts DejaVu
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    Quote Posted by Cottage Rose (here)
    Quote Posted by Humble Janitor (here)
    Quote Posted by Cottage Rose (here)

    Icecold falls into the 4th category. Which are you?

    Party's over. Could we kindly escort you to the door?
    How about you escort yourself to the door along with the rest of Charles' followers?

    When Charles leaves, you'll follow him.

    I have nothing more to say on this.
    If you were attending a party where a group of people were minding their own business in a separate room discussing the art of making Rasberry Truffles and you hated Rasberry Truffles, would you feel it necessary to enter and heckle them about the wisdom of enjoying Rasberry Trufffles?
    If Charles was the only reason that you came here, do you think people would sit idly by and watch the forum get hijacked by Charles this, Charles that?

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    Bill and Kerry are about to meet for a conference in the US this weekend. They are often in close contact. They both have been through the mill, as it were. They are both intelligent individuals in their own right. We are all indebted to them for the fact that we are all here.

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    All of that may be true Ross. However, it doesn't affect anything I've said.


    Facts about which you chose your words carefully.
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    All of that may be true Ross. However, it doesn't affect anything I've said.
    There is no "may be true" Icecold, they are facts.

    Ross

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    Whistle blowers going against each other, gives me a bad vibe, jealousy, insecurity,
    makes me wonder what their in it for.

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    What I am seeing is a small group of people who are playing both sides of the fence, in tandem, often criticising those with views on both sides any argument. If I didn't know better, it would almost seem as though they were working together and were intent on arguing. I wonder why.

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    Quote Posted by Icecold (here)
    Hegemony is the political, economic, ideological or cultural power exerted by a dominant group over other groups. It requires the consent of the majority to keep the dominant group in power. The term has come to be used in a variety of other contexts.


    Like no other Material previously disclosed, the Charles material has polarized the NWO debate. The greatest effect it has achieved is to move the focus of the NWO debate AWAY from the United States where it has been dominant since the origins of the debate.

    Prior to release of the Charles material the NWO debate was dominated by American whistleblowers and American disclosure experts. This view does not say that disclosure experts were not present in other parts of the world, the view is saying that the hegemony relating to the debate rested firmly in the hands of US disclosure community. They WERE the dominant group.

    The greatest effect of the Charles material has been to shift the hegemony from the United States to Europe. Specifically the UK. This has cause an uproar in the disclosure community.

    This has dramatically affected the career paths of not only US disclosure experts, but also US whistleblowers. It has fundamentally turned people’s heads away from their stories. This must have ramifications and we can see them unfolding now as the realization sinks in.

    In response to this realization, for example, Kerry Cassidy has mounted a campaign which challenges the Charles material at many levels. She is beginning to marshal her forces such among some of the whistleblowers whose limelight has been put in the shade, as it were, by the Charles material. Duncan O’Finnian, Heather, there will be others. There is a concerted attempt being made by Kerry Cassidy and her allies, to get involved in the Charles material while on the other hand working hard to discredit the material. This is a critical priority for the Kerry Cassidy brigade for one reason that is that it may be the case that after recruiting the 18, Charles will fundamentally disappear from the scene and be largely unavailable for comment. This seems obvious; Charles is not in the vein of US whistleblowers who are public celebrities. So Kerry needs to move fast to get her people into the debate, before the Charles information goes underground.

    The major difference between the Charles material and the existing US NWO order material is that the US material has no effective road down which to travel, other than hoping that the public will wake up enough to engage in a revolution against the NWO. On the other hand, the Charles material has made it clear there is a plan in place and that plan will be carried out with the help of a selected group of people. In other words, something is planned to start, a practical approach which the US NWO debate does not have. The US story is in a holding pattern designed to create various lecturing careers for a variety of whistleblowers, NWO experts and pseudo prophets. The careers are reminiscent of the Oprah Winfrey cult of personality, American phenomena.





    Let's discuss this view........
    Hello Icecold

    As usual you really challenge us to think and look beneath the surface.
    You have made your point perfectly, there is little we can add.

    As you say the debate has until know be dominated by the Americans, the important question is why has the Charles material caused such a dramatic change in the disclosure community?
    It is, again as you say, his promise of action, the possibility of a workable plan which has so captured our attention.

    Maybe we are tired of horror stories of what is to come, of the terrible things that are happening out of sight and being planned for our futures.
    We are tired of feeling helpless, of being the victims, manipulated and unimportant.

    Up until now our only possible action was to run away into the hills and try to plan for our own survival. We have all tried with little success to spread the news to the sleeping people around us, only to be labelled conspiracy theorists.

    Finally along comes Charles with his down to earth, straight talking Cockney manner, confirming our fears and offering ACTION.

    He has changed the whole focus of our attention, changed the very energy of the whole community just by introducing the possibility of a workable plan!

    We are all thinking of plans, wracking our brains to imagine what it could be. This in itself is very powerful.

    He has given us hope and this is the big difference between Charles and the other Whistleblowers.

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    What I am seeing is a small group of people who are playing both sides of the fence, in tandem, often criticising those with views on both sides any argument. If I didn't know better, it would almost seem as though they were working together and were intent on arguing. I wonder why.
    I wonder if the anwer to this is: Just because they can.

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    Bill and Kerry are about to meet for a conference in the US this weekend. They are often in close contact. They both have been through the mill, as it were. They are both intelligent individuals in their own right. We are all indebted to them for the fact that we are all here.

    Ross
    Appreciative? Certainly?

    Indebted? No

    An invite that carries a debt is no invite at all

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    Quote He has changed the whole focus of our attention, changed the very energy of the whole community just by introducing the possibility of a workable plan!

    We are all thinking of plans, wracking our brains to imagine what it could be. This in itself is very powerful.
    What plan did we ever need except to manifest ourselves as fully as we can?

    Not to say "don't do this or that" if anyone wishes to, that's our own business

    But my heart says we are not here to follow, but to be, and to associate where there is harmony with our energy

    That's all that has ever been needed to "save" or "change" the world: to truly take self responsibility

    Charles used to work for those who planned to rule the world... now he wants to recruit for a plan to save it

    That says more about the nature of the limits of "plans" than right action to me

    Wisdom says to take control of ourselves and our own power

    And if we allow our "fire" to be lit by another, we should not be suprised if we lose our say in how that "fire" burns

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    Regarding the question of Charles effect on the "NWO debate" re USA/UK and how researchers "see it"

    Well lets celebrate an expansion of perception for the value it has... but to ask "is europe more awake" is just folly

    Are you awake? If you are, what does it matter where you are?

    And speaking as someone who has lived my life a little over 100 miles from that snake pit known as "The City of London"

    Oh yes, its nature is well known... as is where its "power" comes from

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    Quote Posted by aikya (here)
    What I am seeing is a small group of people who are playing both sides of the fence, in tandem, often criticising those with views on both sides any argument. If I didn't know better, it would almost seem as though they were working together and were intent on arguing. I wonder why.
    I wonder if the anwer to this is: Just because they can.
    Yes, that's one possibility.

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    Good Morning ... *yawn* ... *stretch*

    It seems "the morning paper" has been replaced by catching up on "the thread o' the day at Avalon".

    Just read through this entire thread and found some very good stuff here.

    No question the track record for the NWO is that any time there is a positive group gaining traction and momentum they use means to subvert and take over that group (usually starting with $$$ influence).

    Could name many ... Greenpeace ... Scientology (for those that have not read the written interview with Bill regarding "Ron's Org" I would suggest doing so). There is an occasional "But Bill is a member of Scientology ..." here and they clearly either did not read that interview or it went straight over their heads.

    Anyway ... (still working on 1st cup of coffee but ...)

    Ice are you suggesting that Kerry and her merry band of whistleblowers are now attempting to takeover and subvert the Charles material ... for the NWO???

    I have a hard time with that ... clearly there is disagreement agreed.

    For the sake of arguement let us say all the Charles material is 100% legit.

    In that case obviously there would be those going to the top of all "groups" (save Charles "Master" who is/was the one bringing forth "the plan" to begin with) which would do all in their power to take over at least "the item" if not the information itself.

    Personally I have never gotten beyond the fence sitter position.

    Fascinating story to be sure and what has happened here at Avalon as a result is very thought provoking (ie think "Enlightened" as a subset or microcosm).

    I absolutely do applaud having an "actionable plan" and anyone here who is motivated to join the "18" or whatever becomes of the "next step" my hat is off to you.

    That said ... is it not Charles position that the positive nature of his plan is to hasten the dimise of 90% so that the remaining 10% of humanity have a better chance at survival??? Lots of misquoting of Charles so forgive me if I am of the wrong impression.

    In my earlier post on page one I mentioned Mother Earth being able to take care of herself (and Ice posted his agreement with that).

    In the same fashion ... does it not stand to reason that "those" who have instigated this "experiment" know how to handle the sitation regardless???

    Could be time to "reseed" or perhaps that is what all the hybrid building over the last 50/60 years has been all about???

    Perhaps, as been alluded to here, that it is time for HUMANITY to (re)create itself for the very first time?

    Transhumanism anyone??? Lovely prospect.

    When those reemerging from the underground bunkers find the few survivors what do expect that mindset would do with us?



    No small wonder so many cling to "rapture" or the "galactic federation" coming to the rescue

    Just a few thoughts ... heading for my 2nd cup now.

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    Quote He has changed the whole focus of our attention, changed the very energy of the whole community just by introducing the possibility of a workable plan!

    We are all thinking of plans, wracking our brains to imagine what it could be. This in itself is very powerful.
    What plan did we ever need except to manifest ourselves as fully as we can?

    Not to say "don't do this or that" if anyone wishes to, that's our own business

    But my heart says we are not here to follow, but to be, and to associate where there is harmony with our energy

    That's all that has ever been needed to "save" or "change" the world: to truly take self responsibility

    Charles used to work for those who planned to rule the world... now he wants to recruit for a plan to save it

    That says more about the nature of the limits of "plans" than right action to me

    Wisdom says to take control of ourselves and our own power

    And if we allow our "fire" to be lit by another, we should not be suprised if we lose our say in how that "fire" burns
    Hello John

    Nobody said that we need Charles's plan or need to follow it.

    The important thing is that the energy and focus has changed and that we are now looking for solutions.

    If we follow our hearts and our instinct we cannot fail. There is no fail, just the experience and our part in it.

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    That said ... is it not Charles position that the positive nature of his plan is to hasten the dimise of 90% so that the remaining 10% of humanity have a better chance at survival??? Lots of misquoting of Charles so forgive me if I am of the wrong impression.
    I don't think Charles said anything like that. I said I thought it was what certain sections of the elite were up to and it got taken as something he'd said.

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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    That said ... is it not Charles position that the positive nature of his plan is to hasten the dimise of 90% so that the remaining 10% of humanity have a better chance at survival??? Lots of misquoting of Charles so forgive me if I am of the wrong impression.
    I don't think Charles said anything like that. I said I thought it was what certain sections of the elite were up to and it got taken as something he'd said.

    I that is the case then I am sorry. Thought I saw that in one of his own posts.

    Thanks

    *** after post edit ***

    Could not find post I was referring to - something about how if the process dragged on then perhaps all humans would go whereas if it was hastened then perhaps 10% would survive.

    Checked through a bunch of posts - nothing there so it seems to be MY BAD.

    Maybe I am spending too much time here and dreamed it???
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    Quote Posted by Cottage Rose (here)
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    [
    IMHO
    -Played our human faults against us
    -Roughed up Bill & Kerry’s relationship
    -Splinter opinions/solidarity at Avalon and Camelot
    -Shifted the gravity of the Whistleblower community to the UK
    -Freeze the community while it waits on his next move
    -Change the Whistleblower paradigm to include a "action plan"
    -Reduce current mind share by the community on other Whistleblowers
    -Possibly reduce cash that would have gone to other whistleblowers
    -Put Bill's insight up for debate
    -Provide hope that a "silver bullet" direct action plan can win
    -Possibly minimize the Intent and consciousness focus of the community.
    -Drive us to mental gymnastics LOL...

    I'm sure I have missed some key points.
    If and I do mean if this is about sabatoge, reverse the above ASAP.

    Peace,

    -R-
    Excuse me, but it is Kerry that has done the "roughing up", by not treating Bill with the respect he deserves.

    Bill has not said a single word against her or Camelot while she proceeds to treat him as if he is an uninformed child who needs her protection.

    Bill has been the complete Gentleman. Kerry has been (text removed).

    If you are searching for the source of discord, I would look back towards Camelot, not in Charles' direction.

    Have you been sent to interfere with our brainstorming session?

    Paul Revere still has that, "the British are coming" thing going on. I guess.
    Modwiz, Naah...the British came and went... I'm just worried for our brothers and sisters who don't see the PTB and the Corpocracy that is taking over. We need their minds to awaken. I hope to do my part beyond debating it.

    Rose, come on....sent to ruin the brainstorming. That was not my intention and that tone may have more storming then brain in it. But, no offense taken or given I hope. We all make assumptions.

    Peace,
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    Rose, come on....sent to ruin the brainstorming. That was not my intention and that tone may have more storming then brain in it. But, no offense taken or given I hope. We all make assumptions.

    Peace,
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    Sorry, Revere. I probably overreacted. I had a strange headache last night.

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