Is Charles Material correct or incorrect? Could that affect credibility Avalon forum?

[Jean-Luc]

Dear qbeac

You might like to read this post from Charles relating to the healing experience that took place a few days ago with 100+ Avalonians or so, with apparently quite a positive outcome for two people concerned.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post148711

Skeptics might think this is yet another trick to fool people.
Everyone's choice but it's not mine.

I'd obviously be happy to get more questions answered.
Lets' just be patient a little bit.
This is all food for thought and things probably just need to mature.

[bashi]

Dear qbeac,
Congratulation for this well crafted opinion making piece.

But it seems that unfortunately an agenda is shining through it very clearly.
Let me just highlight this:

Posted by qbeac (here)
Will Charles honour his word of telling us the full details of his plan (option 3 of the poll)?

What kind of "word" or promise has he given in regards of the poll?

Please post that quote together with a valid link to it !
I could not find it, and do you know why? I think because there is no promise, but you know that, isn't it?

The real questions are:

Why are you trying to put the fake-blame of a broken promise on somebody?

Are you instigating a "poll" with loaded blame-questions? If so, why?

This is now the second thread regarding the same subject by the same member. Why?

Are you having a hidden agenda?
Please prove me wrong by posting the demanded link.

I hope these questions are not having any effect on the credibility of your motives.

Until then, i will follow your advice:

Posted by qbeac (here)

Therefore, please, spread the word so that everybody in the Avalon forum knows about it

[lightblue]

i think the poll is very detailed offering multiple options rightly so... in my opinion the only question missing is whether according to some the credibility of the forum is eroded beyond repair already..i happen to have friends who never wanted to become members and were nevertheless avid regular readers...i get questions like "what has gone on" from them and i do not know what to say really ...so that possibility i feel would need to be addressed...sorry qbeck, that bit i think is missing... other than that, this is a good result of your fine endeavour so we can get a more rounded picture among membership here..

i don't think you have an agenda..if you do, yours must be the same as mine and many people's here which is - wanting to get to the bottom of this all - THE TRUTH that is...

my best wishes to you... l

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[Icecold]

4a- I think Internet forums (Avalon included) can be infiltrated or manipulated 4080.00%

4b- I think Internet forums (Avalon included) cannot be infiltrated or manipulated 00%

Infiltrated:

To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.

To penetrate with hostile intent

To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover

To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously

Infiltration is a result of OUTSIDE INTERESTS gaining egress.

Outside interests are any interest external to Avalon......in this case.

Members need to realise that as members of this forum, they have an obligation and duty of care to this forum. Mixed loyalties may cause tension.

[bashi]

Sigh...
another Fear-porn post....

[Carmody]

The expression of Democratic ideals requires constant guard. Even when the contrary will is sublimated, the position of constant vigilance must not erode.

That is the hardest part of all, as it requires being in a constant state of awareness.

[ViralSpiral]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The expression of Democratic ideals requires constant guard. Even when the contrary will is sublimated, the position of constant vigilance must not erode.

That is the hardest part of all, as it requires being in a constant state of awareness.

100%. Vigilance is our most useful "weapon"

I equate this thread to an atheist/creationist debate. One requiring proof, the other "knowing".
Neither is right.......... nor wrong. Remember that beliefs are self-perpetuating and self-reinforcing, whichever side of the fence you are on.

I choose not to particpate in the poll.

[bashi]

Posted by ViralSpiral (here)

I choose not to particpate in the poll.

Same for me.
I think it is fundametally flawed.

[chelmostef]

So far out of the poles I have seen conducted on/or for Avalon I can only draw the conculsion that the majority of Avalonians dont really like polls..... And I would be one of them (Sorry)

[aikya]

Posted by Icecold (here)

Mixed loyalties may cause tension.

And differences of opinion enhance creative dialogue.

[chelmostef]

I just did it I voted!!!! Damm! I voted 4B..... And that is becouse no else voted for that option..... I do think forums can be infultrated though...

[bashi]

Posted by chelmostef (here)
I just did it I voted!!!! Damm! I voted 4B..... And that is becouse no else voted for that option..... I do think forums can be infultrated though...

You made me change my mind.
Now we are 2 !

[SKAWF]

ultimately it doesnt matter on a personal level. nobody is in any physical danger.
on a strange level, if it has been a con,
then its been a pleasure to have been done up like a kipper by a pro.
it exposed a few weaknesses i had, and sparked a bit of life into some other things.

as for the forums credibility
that depends on how people deal with things.
if after having invested so much time and energy in something,
it turns out that thing was folly,
its whether you can disengage from it, put it down,
and focus your attention and energy into something else

whatever doesnt kill you makes you stronger......... or

'life has a habit of dressing up its greatest gifts, in the form of your worst nightmare'

steve

[chelmostef]

Posted by bashi (here)

Posted by chelmostef (here)
I just did it I voted!!!! Damm! I voted 4B..... And that is becouse no else voted for that option..... I do think forums can be infultrated though...

You made me change my mind.
Now we are 2 !

Damm it! I thought no one eles in there right mind would vote for that and I could be the 1 voter.... I am the one and only!!!

Not any more though

[ace]

Posted by Bollinger (here)

Posted by ace (here)
Would rather go sit in the sun, on my hill and play with my dog.

Haven't you noticed

things have moved on.

Ace

Well of course things have moved on. What other alternative is there BUT to move on? The kind of questions people should be asking themselves are:

Have I learned anything useful from it?
Has it made me a better soul?
Have I managed to drink a little from the cup of wisdom?
Did it bring clarity to my view and thinking?
Has it made me a better or worse person?
Does it have any consequence on how I would treat information of the same kind in the future?
How will I react to the next character that turns up with "information" and no proof?

Simply to say, time to move on, is tantamount to saying: oh well, never mind, it was good while it lasted, can we have some more please. Even if it is proven beyond all doubt that the Charles material was fake and completely without substance, you should still have learned something from it by enquiring of yourself the above questions, otherwise, it truly was a complete waste of time.

Please, do enlighten us, with your response to your seven questions.

Ace

[K626]

A serious poll at last.

Well done Qbacca.

cheers

K

[lightblue]

bashi

Sigh...
another Fear-porn post....

see what are you advocating this time around...

we saw you already in the roles of:

pseudo scientist, pseudo spiritualist, pseudo spiritual adviser, pseudo prophet, pseudo alchemist, devils advocate (from either side and from any point to view); you've been something of a bully lately chasing some of the members around issuing threats, posting horrifying images (you probably would argue this was not meant to intimidate/scare but to enlighten; i saved the pages with your original quotes so no need to go back and edit out..too late, it's all kept in the edits archive anyway)...then: recently not so successful healing medium (suffered not very pleasant side effects, i am sorry you did); also been banned for 7 days for breaching forum guidelines - got re-vamped in less than 36 hours though for an unknown reason...

and now i see you relentlessly advocating blind faith...you imply there's need no need for further info... no clarification according to you is necessary as, according to you - we already have a clear instruction on how to "save" a "deserving" fraction of humanity.. what you seem to be advocating these days is an outright obedience of, for the most part, unwilling membership...see how you go...

according to me though you need to lower your voice so to be heard in the first place... l

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[kouby]

I'm sorry to say that I believe Avalon's credibility has already been quite injured by material like Charles, Hoagland, Icke and Maxwell. Icke does put out good points, but his attitude towards "non-believers" is just a dead give-away.
Insulting non-believers is just a way of blowing up the ego of the believers, and if you really want fear-porn Icke is the way to go.
Hoagland has been so discredited it's not even worth speaking about.
Maxwell's scaremongering is so blatant it's not worth going into.

Note that I'm not saying that all their information is junk, but that's how disinformation and scaremongering works: 80% valid info just to sell off the disinfo.

The fact that so much time has been awarded to the "Charles material" when all he is saying is rehashing already mainstream information for a couple of hours for me is an example of how Avalon has been damaged recently.

When first coming across the Avalon material I new that a certain amount would be junk, that's how the search for truth works, you can't help but cross the odd disinfo artist, conman and the likes.

But I really find it saddening how so much of Bill's time has been wasted on this stuff. There's LOTS going around in the world at the moment. The place to get info now is the middle east, with the recent changes in Egypt I would have thought Bill would have been all over the place. The whole of the middle east is moving, this is the time to get some people talking about what they know about ancient history, government-CIA connections, maybe get a little look into some museum back-rooms, get some names to investigate, some industry insiders to spill a few beans, etc etc.

Anyway sorry for the negative connotation of this post, but the amount of energy spent on this material is really getting to me ='(
I think it's time for me to go for a walk in the mountains.

[Rocky_Shorz]

who cares, you all got what you wanted...

tared and feathered and thrown unceremoniously out the door...

some of us knew from the beginning and are ashamed at how Charles was treated...

[bashi]

Posted by lightblue (here)
bashi

Sigh...
another Fear-porn post....

see what are you advocating this time around...

we saw you already in the roles of:

pseudo scientist, pseudo spiritualist, pseudo spiritual adviser, pseudo prophet, pseudo alchemist, devils advocate (from either side and from any point to view); you've been something of a bully lately chasing some of the members around issuing threats, posting horrifying images (you probably would argue this was not meant to intimidate/scare but to enlighten; i saved the pages with your original quotes so no need to go back and edit out..too late, it's all kept in the edits archive anyway)...then: recently not so successful healing medium (suffered not very pleasant side effects, i am sorry you did); also been banned for 7 days for breaching forum guidelines - got re-vamped in less than 36 hours though for an unknown reason...

and now i see you relentlessly advocating blind faith...you imply there's need no need for further info... no clarification according to you is necessary as, according to you - we already have a clear instruction on how to "save" a "deserving" fraction of humanity.. what you seem to be advocating these days is an outright obedience of, for the most part, unwilling membership...see how you go...

according to me though you need to lower your voice so to be heard in the first place... l

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i would be happy to see my quotes again. POST THE QUOTES WITH LINKS!
No vague smearing as in the past!
Prove to be a lion and not a puppy!

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Posted by chelmostef (here)

Damm it! I thought no one eles in there right mind would vote for that and I could be the 1 voter.... I am the one and only!!!

Not any more though

sorry can`t withdraw my vote from this "serious" poll