SKEPTICISM CORNERr..includes you sam!!

[blue777]

If you are a skeptci about any of the esoteric data which is discussed on this forum, i would like to hear your point of view the reason "Why" you are so skeptical..and how do you see the future panning out?.... also what has made you so skeptical ,can one of the reasons be, that falsehoods are built on falsehoods...

that includes you SAM
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love of light
blue

[perfectresonance]

I'll put my hand up.

I WANT to believe.

But everything has to go through a very long process where the data is placed on a continuum from probably true right through to probably false.

In my personal life I have had very little direct proof of many of the things discussed here.

But I remain keenly interested.

That said, I am not one to take other people's word for something. I'll take a new idea from them, but then start the task of data collection over many years to see if the idea stands scrutiny.

I figure I have another 40 years or so to work on this, so I am not in a hurry.

But what a fantastic time we live in!

Can you imagine having interests such as we do, and doing this just 50 years ago? Apart from your parents, community or religious leaders, and the funny guy mum told you not to talk to, your ability to access additional information was limited to Brittanica and the purchasing policy of your local library.

But with this new inter-connectedness does also come a complete LACK of filters. Anyone can say anything. And sometimes an idea grabs hold and many people will repeat it.

Does it make it true?

And so, the search continues.

And I'm lovin' it ;-)

[blue777]

Posted by perfectresonance (here)
I'll put my hand up.

I WANT to believe.

But everything has to go through a very long process where the data is placed on a continuum from probably true right through to probably false.

In my personal life I have had very little direct proof of many of the things discussed here.

But I remain keenly interested.

That said, I am not one to take other people's word for something. I'll take a new idea from them, but then starts the task of data collection over many years to see if the idea stands scrutiny.

I figure I have another 40 years or so to work on this, so I am not in a hurry.

But what a fantastic time we live in!

Can you imagine having interests such as we do, and doing this just 50 years ago? Apart from your parents, community or religious leaders, and the funny guy mum told you not to talk to, your ability to access additional information was limited to Brittanica and the purchasing policy of your local library.

But with this new inter-connectedness does also come a complete LACK of filters. Anyone can say anything. And sometimes an idea grabs hold and many people will repeat it.

Does it make it true?

And so, the search continues.

And I'm lovin' it ;-)

i AGREE, at the moment there is so much disinformation , it is hard to make out the truth and reality from falsehood and unreality.....and it seems that these esoteric groups are being divided and conquered ...the question is why?....also catastrophes scenario creates FEAR and we do not need that , however if it is the truth we also need to prepare........therefore skeptics explain why we should not worry....and are we heading to a new age?

[Swami]

No skepticism here Mr. Blue...

[viking]

Interesting Thread Blue...

Waiting in anticipation!!

viking

[blue777]

Posted by Swami (here)
No skepticism here Mr. Blue...

Therefore everything esoteric being spoken about is the truth and reality.... you have no doubt at all
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bluish

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Posted by viking (here)
Interesting Thread Blue...

Waiting in anticipation!!

viking

Have you any notions of what is truth ...have you any area which you are skeptical about?
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blue

[viking]

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Have you any notions of what is truth ...have you any area which you are skeptical about?
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LOL...

The only truth we all have is what we can see in front of us...

So what we really know as 'truth' is what we can 'see'...'touch'... and ' hear'

The rest is hearsay!! We can only summise...

But don't worry truth will unfold!!

viking

[blue777]

Posted by viking (here)
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Have you any notions of what is truth ...have you any area which you are skeptical about?
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blue

LOL...

The only truth we all have is what we can see in front of us...

So what we really know as 'truth' is what we can 'see'...'touch'... and ' hear'

The rest is hearsay!! We can only summise...

But don't worry truth will unfold!!

viking[/QUOTE]



quote:
So what we really know as 'truth' is what we can 'see'...'touch'... and ' hear'

hi viking
what about the sense of INTUITION.....and the sense of SILENT THOUGHT?
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blue

[viking]

LOL

My intuition tells me that we have a lot of crap out there and folk spewing bull s**t!!! Ha ha

I hear where your coming from Blue and am trying to seek answers..but until we can see with our own eyes..then that a different kettle of fish...

Let me give you an example...I have seen discs in the skies and ships floating around up there so I know that they exist...but the question I don't know is what they truly are!!!

My Instincts tell me we are in for big change!!! What ?? I wish I really knew... does anyone really know??

viking

[Petut Semedhi]

Just wrote a great long reply, and like usual the computer disappeared it by pretending that I wasn't logged on.

Yes ! for skepticism.

*technogobbledegook as per early Thubron and equivalent
*ascensionism - based purely on the imagination (like waiting for Jesus - wont necessarily leave people prepared for life)
*breatharianism - there was a round of that about 10 years ago (that generation are probably dead and buried by now)
*anyone who has an exclusive franchise on the truth
*anyone who doesn't face the truth even when it is staring face to face with them
*anyone who comes up with a position that truely contradicts anothers (my head hurts !)

My topic has always been spirit or spirituality - or however one chooses to translate it. It is the only thing that really matters. Everything else is ultimately a distraction.

We can perv. at future reckonings, but only in the manner of voyeurism. Now is always us here.

My approach - hear and absorb it all, but don't make my path out of it. (For the path needs to be guided by sound practise - at least mine does). To be discriminating in how I appreciate things, and to consider 'who am I to decide what is right and what is wrong?'. Truely - I don't know most of what goes on in the world. Or beyond it.

I do love it when titbits of information correlate. Or when I hear something on the ticktock news and I've already heard the full(er) background story.

The song collecters in ancient China would collect the songs that people were singing, and by that determine what their conditions were like. So too with PA and the ?conspiracy/exopolitics/etc? world.

Those that enter deeply into the truth within the human condition, their voices speak with a consistancy. No Matter what colour their bathing costume is. They know their truth and know that it is unassailable.

I listen carefully without investing in any particular story.

Careful out there - it's a jungle
Gg

[blue777]

Posted by Petut Semedhi (here)
Just wrote a great long reply, and like usual the computer disappeared it by pretending that I wasn't logged on.

Yes ! for skepticism.

*technogobbledegook as per early Thubron and equivalent
*ascensionism - based purely on the imagination (like waiting for Jesus - wont necessarily leave people prepared for life)
*breatharianism - there was a round of that about 10 years ago (that generation are probably dead and buried by now)
*anyone who has an exclusive franchise on the truth
*anyone who doesn't face the truth even when it is staring face to face with them
*anyone who comes up with a position that truely contradicts anothers (my head hurts !)

My topic has always been spirit or spirituality - or however one chooses to translate it. We can perv. at future reckonings, but only in the manner of voyeurism. Now is always with here.

My approach - absorb it all, but don't make my path out of it. (For the path needs to be guided by sound practise - at least mine does). To be discriminating, who am I to decide what is right and what is wrong. Truely - I don't know most of what goes on in the world.

I do love it when titbits of information correlate. Or when I hear something on the ticktock news and I've already heard the full(er) background story.

The song collecters in ancient China would collect the songs that people were singing, and by that determine what their conditions were like.

Those that enter deeply into the truth within the human condition, their voices speak with a consistancy. No Matter what colour their bathing costume is.

I listen carefully without investing in any particular story.

Careful out there - it's a jungle
Gg

THANKS SEMHEDI...Excellent reply..
1.quote:
ascensionism - based purely on the imagination (like waiting for Jesus - wont necessarily leave people prepared for life)

I have to disagree with you, Ascension is based on sound frequency harmonics , second inversion ,due to the fact it is based on the survival of the fittest , natures way...also based on the fibonnaci series.

2.quote: anyone who doesn't face the truth even when it is staring face to face with them..

could this be a skeptic!!
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blue

[Swami]

So, the Swami's question is, who in here still is skeptical about all the info given by Mr. Blue....?
Dont be shy now............

[Swami]

OK it works like this:

13 have to know the absolute truth.....people who have reached the desired frequency will be picked up
PUP......PICK UP PLACES.... 7 CHAKRAS...12 PLUS ONE =13

[stardustaquarion]

Great thread!

I am skeptical of glamorized "theories" which are just that "theories" which offer nothing to the progress of the human race other than more vacuos intellectual rubbish
I am skeptical of doom and gloomers ( I do think we will experience earth changes but much of what has been speculated with will fall sideways)

I am convinced we are being manipulated into creating a "worse case escenario" by the media and TPTB and while I think we could prepare ourselves within reason the biggest danger is falling into irrational fear

Only direct experience at all levels, including the inner levels, can yield knowledge most of the rest is just bs

Saying that, I am gratefull to the gloom and doomers because without them I will have put for later what I am doing now, and thank you Samvado too....We learn more from those that challenge us than from those that agree with us

[blue777]

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
Great thread!

I am skeptical of glamorized "theories" which are just that "theories" which offer nothing to the progress of the human race other than more vacuos intellectual rubbish
I am skeptical of doom and gloomers ( I do think we will experience earth changes but much of what has been speculated with will fall sideways)

I am convinced we are being manipulated into creating a "worse case escenario" by the media and TPTB and while I think we could prepare ourselves within reason the biggest danger is falling into irrational fear

Only direct experience at all levels, including the inner levels, can yield knowledge most of the rest is just bs

Saying that, I am gratefull to the gloom and doomers because without them I will have put for later what I am doing now, and thank you Samvado too....We learn more from those that challenge us than from those that agree with us

being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority.....Take 7 Phd's on the Earth is equivalent to one grain of sand......higher intelligence E.T. is equivalent to a 50 mile beach...therefore skeptics ....suffer form grandiose.......the real authority is off the Earth
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[kriya]

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
Great thread!

Saying that, I am gratefull to the gloom and doomers because without them I will have put for later what I am doing now, and thank you Samvado too....We learn more from those that challenge us than from those that agree with us

I agree Stardust. Realitycorrodes post on my thread has made be even more determined to practice kriya yoga more. I love Samvado's brutal honesty, it makes me really laugh.

Question everything (but don't call me a liar!!).

Love,

Kriya

[Operator]

I have said this before but I think this thread is actually THE thread to repeat it ....

Be alert for whistle blowers that start of great and seem very reliable ... as soon as they gather lots of followers quite a few of them start diverting because they either can't handle the stardom
and start adding (made up) incredible stuff to keep exceeding expectations or they will be targeted and messed with (probably without them knowing it) by the controllers.

But let's not call them a scam (black and white thinking) right away ... it's our job to filter the info and discern what's true and what's disinfo.
Sometimes the whistle blowers are not experts themselves and are easily abused to repeat false info ...

Take care ...

[blue777]

Posted by Operator (here)
I have said this before but I think this thread is actually THE thread to repeat it ....

Be alert for whistle blowers that start of great and seem very reliable ... as soon as they gather lots of followers quite a few of them start diverting because they either can't handle the stardom
and start adding (made up) incredible stuff to keep exceeding expectations or they will be targeted and messed with (probably without them knowing it) by the controllers.

But let's not call them a scam (black and white thinking) right away ... it's our job to filter the info and discern what's true and what's disinfo.
Sometimes the whistle blowers are not experts themselves and are easily abused to repeat false info ...

Take care ...

THANKS OPERATOR...How do YOU discern between truth and falsehood?
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blue

[SteveX]

Posted by blue777 (here)
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority.....Take 7 Phd's on the Earth is equivalent to one grain of sand......higher intelligence E.T. is equivalent to a 50 mile beach...therefore skeptics ....suffer form grandiose.......the real authority is off the Earth [COLOR="red"]

In a word….cobblers. Being one of the un dead (NDE) and having seen an alien I am forced to be open minded. I’m not so open minded that my brain fell out. With the in-tard-net being what it is I would guestimate 95% of the stuff that interests us is total and utter bollocks.

I’m sure there are some truths out there but with all the rubbish it’s just so hard to find. One is left to think about the people that put this stuff out there. There are truelly-deluded people, in a real clinical sense, out there. Then we have the gullible, the unintelligent, the uneducated, the ill informed, the mischievous, and the moneymakers all compounding the rubbish on the net. Just one spark of truth has little chance of staying clean of disinfo. So I’m skeptical of a lot of things but that doesn’t mean I’ll through every part of a concept out just because some or most of it is crap.

As a for instance…. The illuminati. There maybe aspects of stateism that could be misconstrued. I have no doubt there are elitist groups with an agenda all under the banner of capitalism. However, I find it hard, through practical reasons, to believe one group is calling all the shots. I am tempted go as far as to say there is NO group called the illuminati. I think it’s the equivalent to an urban myth, probably inspired by a fiction righter way back when. This, hypothetically, may have been expanded upon by a clinically DELUDED person, that puts enough information out there for the GULLIBLE to expand upon. The ILL INFORMED, in turn, passes it on like it’s a fact. I’m open to be proved wrong. There could well be a grain and I emphasis a grain, of truth in it. Just look at al the different stories or different faction that are supposed to be the make up of the illuminati. Which theory is near the grain of truth? I’m skeptical but I’ll keep an open mind.

What’s the likelihood of 17 brand new top-secret underground bases being built per year? Yes, 17 bases could be being built but the practicality of them being kept secret is zero. So how do we know the number but not the locations? Is somebody deluded, gullible, ill informed or is there a $ in the story. Again, one is to seek the grain of truth. One is left skeptical but open-minded.

Of the mountains of crap it’s that one-grain of truth that’s important. Getting to it is a different matter and causes many an ego to be kicked in the nads. Sometimes I don’t have the academic acumen to follow a certain theory but that doesn’t mean I should act like a gullible idiot and believe it. It means I gosta swat up on the subject if I want to follow it to a conclusion. You have to ask the questions.

Many theories fall at the first hurdle anyway. Take planet X nibiru and 2012.

[Operator]

Posted by blue777 (here)
THANKS OPERATOR...How do YOU discern between truth and falsehood?
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blue

For a very important first part intuition only for a secondary part 'monkey' mind ... (mind can be 'controlled', consciousness not)
So instead of being or becoming a whistleblower junkie it's far more important to work on developing intuition (meditation helps) ...

The way it works for me is that most of the times I do have 'visions' first and to be able to communicate them to others I start looking for
as much hard evidence as I can find to support it. The problem remains however ... if you are still one step ahead in your awareness development
compared to others the 'hard' evidence is still not perceived as such by them ... it is still too incredible to be accepted.
Then 'having patience' will be(come) the main exercise in your life ...