SKEPTICISM CORNERr..includes you sam!!

[blue777]

Posted by SteveX (here)
In a word….cobblers. Being one of the un dead (NDE) and having seen an alien I am forced to be open minded. I’m not so open minded that my brain fell out. With the in-tard-net being what it is I would guestimate 95% of the stuff that interests us is total and utter bollocks.

I’m sure there are some truths out there but with all the rubbish it’s just so hard to find. One is left to think about the people that put this stuff out there. There are truelly-deluded people, in a real clinical sense, out there. Then we have the gullible, the unintelligent, the uneducated, the ill informed, the mischievous, and the moneymakers all compounding the rubbish on the net. Just one spark of truth has little chance of staying clean of disinfo. So I’m skeptical of a lot of things but that doesn’t mean I’ll through every part of a concept out just because some or most of it is crap.

As a for instance…. The illuminati. There maybe aspects of stateism that could be misconstrued. I have no doubt there are elitist groups with an agenda all under the banner of capitalism. However, I find it hard, through practical reasons, to believe one group is calling all the shots. I am tempted go as far as to say there is NO group called the illuminati. I think it’s the equivalent to an urban myth, probably inspired by a fiction righter way back when. This, hypothetically, may have been expanded upon by a clinically DELUDED person, that puts enough information out there for the GULLIBLE to expand upon. The ILL INFORMED, in turn, passes it on like it’s a fact. I’m open to be proved wrong. There could well be a grain and I emphasis a grain, of truth in it. Just look at al the different stories or different faction that are supposed to be the make up of the illuminati. Which theory is near the grain of truth? I’m skeptical but I’ll keep an open mind.

What’s the likelihood of 17 brand new top-secret underground bases being built per year? Yes, 17 bases could be being built but the practicality of them being kept secret is zero. So how do we know the number but not the locations? Is somebody deluded, gullible, ill informed or is there a $ in the story. Again, one is to seek the grain of truth. One is left skeptical but open-minded.

Of the mountains of crap it’s that one-grain of truth that’s important. Getting to it is a different matter and causes many an ego to be kicked in the nads. Sometimes I don’t have the academic acumen to follow a certain theory but that doesn’t mean I should act like a gullible idiot and believe it. It means I gosta swat up on the subject if I want to follow it to a conclusion. You have to ask the questions.

Many theories fall at the first hurdle anyway. Take planet X nibiru and 2012.

Great reply steve,
KOHINAS would be a better word....now to wade through it,
quote: Being one of the un dead (NDE) and having seen an alien I am forced to be open minded.

O.K. Therefore we have to take your word for it , that you have seen an alien.. ANY,.proof evidence photos, recordings enlightenment., would be a great help
Secondly
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95% of the stuff that interests us is total and utter bollocks. (KOHUNAS)
THEREFORE THE 5 % WHICH IS LEFT IS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT TRUTH REALITY IS IT?

tHIRDLY
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Many theories fall at the first hurdle anyway. Take planet X nibiru and 2012.[/QUOTE]

tHEREFORE YOU ARE CALLING dR DEAGLE A LIAR....

BE INTERESTED IN YOUR REPLY
P.S
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority....

[bashi]

It is good to be a sceptic.
You will always find arguments for or against something and can pass time by debunking or “proofing” something.
A forum can never provide "truth" for everybody, only encouragement to find your own.
This forum is more about seeking or how to seek for “truth”.
A sceptic is not a seeker of “truth”.
A sceptic is mostly passive, just consuming the info coming to him and then forming an opinion. He/she often lacks due diligence in case of an already formed opinion.

A statement here is typical:” I listen carefully without investing in any particular story”

A seeker uses the power of discernment and inquiry with an open mind, in order to come closer to the hidden reality.
That requires a wilful effort, active seeking.
A seeker forms a temporary opinion, keeping in mind that proof might surface during the seeking that might change the opinion.

So what is proof or “truth” for a seeker? An experience by perception through the senses, which was made available to him through active seeking.
A true seeker can have even an extended definition of senses apart from the ordinary physical ones. Like vision, intuition, dreams etc. These are experiences apart from ordinary physical senses, and by working on him/her-self these experiences might become more important in his quest for “truth”.

Now, to develop these additional senses requires effort by the seeker to work on himself. By raising the questions:” How trustworthy is this info?” “How can I increase the clarity of the info?” he/she will eventually actively find it out. By painful try and error, following misperceptions etc. , he/she might eventually develop for him/her-self additional senses.
He/she might implement his/her own classification system for these senses like: ” Always right, sometimes correct, less probable info to faint hint.”

But the seeker will always include this info into the info-“bag”.
And will sometimes act on that, resulting in actions/opinions not understandable for other sceptics, who will try to ridicule based on their limited info provided by their limited senses.

That’s why it is good to be a sceptic, but better to be a seeker.

The difference is based on two things: Active Effort and self-inquiry.

[blue777]

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That’s why it is good to be a sceptic, but better to be a seeker.

being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy, just to re-emphasise this , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority.....Take 7 Phd's on the Earth is equivalent to one grain of sand......higher intelligence E.T. is equivalent to a 50 mile beach...therefore skeptics ....suffer form grandiose.......the real authority is off the Earth
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[Majorion]

Posted by blue777 (here)
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy ...

therefore skeptics ....suffer form grandiose...

Blue, you keep repeating these baseless statements here.

Skepticism is not negative, its just that some people have a much higher standard of evidence, and they take these things more seriously than others, they are more critical, and less inclined to take the word of every joe selling a book.

Show me one skeptic that has done any damage to ufology, the real damage is done by the ones who believe everything they are told, everything they read, without seriously questioning or having any doubt.

Discernment doesn't mean you use intuition, it means that you question things that are otherwise not self evident or proven, and not take anyone's word for it alone. For a skeptic, the process of substantiating something is far more rigorous.

Especially in this day and age, people need to be extra wary of information they are getting, if you are saying all that is negative, then you are not being realistic. I would be interested in hearing what kind of alternate solution you have in mind.

[SteveX]

Posted by blue777 (here)
Great reply steve,
KOHINAS would be a better word....now to wade through it,
quote: Being one of the un dead (NDE) and having seen an alien I am forced to be open minded.

O.K. Therefore we have to take your word for it , that you have seen an alien.. ANY,.proof evidence photos, recordings enlightenment., would be a great help

The difference here is I believe I have experienced things, which are considered out of the norm. I believe they happened to me. I trust the experience. I am NOT selling YOU the idea of aliens or life after death. I’m not saying a friend of a friend of friend said XYZ. I’m not telling YOU a theory as to why aliens exist or the theory as to why there is life after death. I’m NOT saying you must believe me.

I am using my experience of the unusual as a very good reason not to dismiss, off handedly, ideas on the fringe of normality. I am open to what the masses may consider outlandish ideas. It is for me to find the truth in it rather than roll over and believe it right off the bat.

Secondly
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95% of the stuff that interests us is total and utter bollocks. (KOHUNAS)
THEREFORE THE 5 % WHICH IS LEFT IS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT TRUTH REALITY IS IT?

This I have to admit is subjective to any given person. There is next to little real hard-core evidence out there on the net. There are hints and innuendo. Something’s are feasible to consider and something’s are just to unrealistic for words.

tHIRDLY
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Many theories fall at the first hurdle anyway. Take planet X nibiru and 2012.

tHEREFORE YOU ARE CALLING dR DEAGLE A LIAR....BE INTERESTED IN YOUR REPLY

Common bloody sense tells you there is no planet headed our way. Man! You would see it with the naked eye if it entered the inner solar system. I’m no sky watcher but thousand of astronomers would have alerted us of such a thing years ago. OK, you could get into a planet size Klingon cloaking device theory but that’s just preposterous.

P.S
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority....[/QUOTE]

I really don’t buy your emphasis of negative energy thing. That works well for the gullible to keep themselves deluded to realty. If a theory doesn't stack up to a few simple questions it's a waist of your energy.

[blue777]

Posted by Majorion (here)
Blue, you keep repeating these baseless statements here.

Skepticism is not negative, its just that some people have a much higher standard of evidence, and they take these things more seriously than others, they are more critical, and less inclined to take the word of every joe selling a book.

Show me one skeptic that has done any damage to ufology, the real damage is done by the ones who believe everything they are told, everything they read, without seriously questioning or having any doubt.

Discernment doesn't mean you use intuition, it means that you question things that are otherwise not self evident or proven, and not take anyone's word for it alone. For a skeptic, the process of substantiating something is far more rigorous.

Especially in this day and age, people need to be extra wary of information they are getting, if you are saying all that is negative, then you are not being realistic. I would be interested in hearing what kind of alternate solution you have in mind.

hello Majorion, do I have to really spell it out...being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy, just to re-emphasise this , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority....meaning everyone else who believe in something are wrong, and they are right..making themselves the authority on that subject.......but infact is is PRIDE AND EGO WHICH MAKES THEM SKEPTIC , therefore it is based on a negative energy.....
to emphasise
.Take 7 Phd's on the Earth is equivalent to one grain of sand......higher intelligence E.T. is equivalent to a 50 mile beach...therefore skeptics ....suffer form grandiose.......the real authority is off the Earth
lol
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[blue777]

Posted by SteveX (here)
tHEREFORE YOU ARE CALLING dR DEAGLE A LIAR....BE INTERESTED IN YOUR REPLY

Common bloody sense tells you there is no planet headed our way. Man! You would see it with the naked eye if it entered the inner solar system. I’m no sky watcher but thousand of astronomers would have alerted us of such a thing years ago. OK, you could get into a planet size Klingon cloaking device theory but that’s just preposterous.


P.S
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority....

I really don’t buy your emphasis of negative energy thing. That works well for the gullible to keep themselves deluded to realty. If a theory doesn't stack up to a few simple questions it's a waist of your energy.[/QUOTE]

Therefore why are all these underground systems being built by the so called hierarchy....if catastrophes are not going to take place...
and secondly
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy, just to re-emphasise this , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority....meaning everyone else who believe in something are wrong, and they are right..making themselves the authority on that subject.......but infact is is PRIDE AND EGO WHICH MAKES THEM SKEPTIC , therefore it is based on a negative energy.....

[stardustaquarion]

Hi Blue777

Here is the definition from wikipedia so we know where to stand

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Contemporary skepticism (or scepticism) is loosely used to denote any questioning attitude,[1] or some degree of doubt regarding claims that are elsewhere taken for granted.[2]

The word skepticism can characterize a position on a single claim, but in scholastic circles more frequently describes a lasting mind-set. Skepticism is an approach to accepting, rejecting, or suspending judgment on new information that requires the new information to be well supported by evidence.[3] Individuals who proclaim to have a skeptical outlook are frequently called skeptics, often without regard to whether it is philosophical skepticism or empirical skepticism that they profess.[4]

In religion, skepticism refers to 'doubt concerning basic religious principles (such as immortality, providence, and revelation).' (Merriam–Webster)

In classical philosophy, skepticism (or scepticism) is the teachings and the traits of the 'Skeptikoi', a school of philosophers of whom it was said that they 'asserted nothing but only opined.' (Liddell and Scott) In this sense, philosophical skepticism, or Pyrrhonism, is the philosophical position that one should suspend judgment in investigations.[5]
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This is what I mean when I said I am skeptical. We are brainwashed since childhood to accept that all that is written in a book, said by authorities and our parents is "THE TRUTH", what a lie!

We can not judge a book by its cover (methaphorically speaking) but we don't have to believe either. There is a great difference between "knowing" and "believing". Knowing requires first had experience and "believing" is a matter of faith. I have ditched the "faith" and prefer a much more experiencial and profound exploration

Love

[blue777]

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
Hi Blue777

Here is the definition from wikipedia so we know where to stand

quote
Contemporary skepticism (or scepticism) is loosely used to denote any questioning attitude,[1] or some degree of doubt regarding claims that are elsewhere taken for granted.[2]

The word skepticism can characterize a position on a single claim, but in scholastic circles more frequently describes a lasting mind-set. Skepticism is an approach to accepting, rejecting, or suspending judgment on new information that requires the new information to be well supported by evidence.[3] Individuals who proclaim to have a skeptical outlook are frequently called skeptics, often without regard to whether it is philosophical skepticism or empirical skepticism that they profess.[4]

In religion, skepticism refers to 'doubt concerning basic religious principles (such as immortality, providence, and revelation).' (Merriam–Webster)

In classical philosophy, skepticism (or scepticism) is the teachings and the traits of the 'Skeptikoi', a school of philosophers of whom it was said that they 'asserted nothing but only opined.' (Liddell and Scott) In this sense, philosophical skepticism, or Pyrrhonism, is the philosophical position that one should suspend judgment in investigations.[5]
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This is what I mean when I said I am skeptical. We are brainwashed since childhood to accept that all that is written in a book, said by authorities and our parents is "THE TRUTH", what a lie!

We can not judge a book by its cover (methaphorically speaking) but we don't have to believe either. There is a great difference between "knowing" and "believing". Knowing requires first had experience and "believing" is a matter of faith. I have ditched the "faith" and prefer a much more experiencial and profound exploration

Love

It does not change the fact that a skeptic is setting themselves as an authority ....they know better than the majority.......any idiot could be a skeptic.........try being a person who wants the truth , that is a lot harder
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[Majorion]

Posted by blue777 (here)
being a skeptic tends to emphasise the negative energy, just to re-emphasise this , what they are saying is that there is no higher levels of intellect, they are the sole authority....meaning everyone else who believe in something are wrong, and they are right..making themselves the authority on that subject.......but infact is is PRIDE AND EGO WHICH MAKES THEM SKEPTIC , therefore it is based on a negative energy.....

No need to reemphasize blue, you've made your position perfectly clear, you don't like skeptics, end of story.

[stardustaquarion]

That is your take blue777 not mine. We have to be discerning in this world, there is tooooooooooo much disinformation purposedly planted to confuse. Without discernment and a healthy enegaged detachment attitude progress can be like walking through molassess. If you think all skeptics are arrogant that is your judgement only backed by your sole words. You have not presented any data that supports your claim that "all skeptics are arrogant". I know lots of skeptical people that are very nice

So, proportionally in the world how many arrogant skepticals do you think there are and where are you getting your data from?

Love

[HORIZONS]

I'm skeptical about the benefits of this thread - there is nothing to be proved, nothing to be believed, no absolute to be known, nothing to argue - there are just the opinions of infinite individuality expressing itself.
Personally - I observe everything, but beLIEve nothing in the external world as Truth - I express my opinions but those opinions are subject to change for I am not locked into any one belief system. I greatly desire to know Truth, but my experience tells me that Truth is within us all in the realm of Spirit, and right now we cannot fully access that - so I press on to know as I am Known.

[blue777]

Posted by Majorion (here)
No need to reemphasize blue, you've made your position perfectly clear, you don't like skeptics, end of story.

NOTHING TO DO WITH LIKING.....it is seeing the truth as it is.....a skeptic sets up a field of authority ,but udermining the truth, any fool can be a skeptic......as they do not know the depth of reality....tell someone 300 years ago we are all ATOMS...THEY WOULD OF THOUGHT YOU ARE A NUTTER..skeptical , they probably would of cut off your GONADS.and set you alight.....that is what ignorance does
LOL

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I'm skeptical about the benefits of this thread - there is nothing to be proved, nothing to be believed, no absolute to be known, nothing to argue - there are just the opinions of infinite individuality expressing itself.
Personally - I observe everything, but beLIEve nothing in the external world as Truth - I express my opinions but those opinions are subject to change for I am not locked into any one belief system. I greatly desire to know Truth, but my experience tells me that Truth is within us all in the realm of Spirit, and right now we cannot fully access that - so I press on to know as I am Known.

Agree with you totally, it is about knowing not be-LIE-ving.....words are so revealing!

Love



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[Grizzom]

The Dots are the damn problem!

New age circus masters always give you dots to connect, and these are special dots that no other master/guru has!

They keep you baffled in bullsh-t and sell their books and movies that show you more and more dots to connect and never end.

I sat in the floor and hummed for 2 days and all I got out of it was a sore ass!

I studied sacred geometry and also realized it was just another connect the dot scheme that never ends.

All I do know is something is terribly wrong with planet earth and the people who know how to realistically fix it aren't talking.

[blue777]

Posted by Grizzom (here)
The Dots are the damn problem!

New age circus masters always give you dots to connect, and these are special dots that no other master/guru has!

They keep you baffled in bullsh-t and sell their books and movies that show you more and more dots to connect and never end.

I sat in the floor and hummed for 2 days and all I got out of it was a sore ass!

I studied sacred geometry and also realized it was just another connect the dot scheme that never ends.

All I do know is something is terribly wrong with planet earth and the people who know how to realistically fix it aren't talking.

THEREFORE , YOU SOUND LIKE A SKEPTIC....and do not believe any of this BS .....WHY HAVE WE GOT FORUMS LIKE THIS THEN?
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[HORIZONS]

Posted by blue777 (here)
THEREFORE , YOU SOUND LIKE A SKEPTIC....and do not believe any of this BS .....WHY HAVE WE GOT FORUMS LIKE THIS THEN?
LOL

To give skeptic's something to do. :-)

[Grizzom]

Posted by blue777 (here)
THEREFORE , YOU SOUND LIKE A SKEPTIC....and do not believe any of this BS .....WHY HAVE WE GOT FORUMS LIKE THIS THEN?
LOL

Entertainment mostly?

I love a good conspiracy, and project Avalon has the best!

Ha! Ha! He! He!

[blue777]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
To give skeptic's something to do. :-)

THEREFORE it is a forum to teach skeptics that they do not have any authority ..and that they cannot set themselves as an authority with people who have a different belief system
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[Majorion]

Posted by blue777 (here)
NOTHING TO DO WITH LIKING.....it is seeing the truth as it is.....a skeptic sets up a field of authority ,but udermining the truth, any fool can be a skeptic......as they do not know the depth of reality....tell someone 300 years ago we are all ATOMS...THEY WOULD OF THOUGHT YOU ARE A NUTTER..skeptical , they probably would of cut off your GONADS.and set you alight.....that is what ignorance does
LOL

You seem quite certain you know the truth, also you're being very specific here, by saying skeptics "undermine" the truth implies that you "know" what the truth actually is, isn't that setting up a field of authority? in the same breath no less...

Your example is from 300 hundred years ago, and besides this really doesn't apply, you're talking about people who would kill a person just because they disagreed, it has nothing to do with basic "doubt" or being skeptical. Unless you're trying to say that skeptics are murderers, well then I've lost you friend!