2012 Equation Solved - Part 1/8 Pane Andov

[str8thinker]

I came across an interview with Pane Andov on Friday, March 27, 2009 on The Veritas Show:

The Veritas Show - Show 14 - Pane Andov - Part 1/26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IlYOUMAINE

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IlYOUMAINE

(YouTube comment)

Pane "Astralwalker" Andov discussed his psionic abilities and out of the body experiences, contact with extraterrestrials, shadow government, the Elite, what is going on at the moment, and what is coming our way, Nexus wave, 2012 issue, Maya connection, Crop Circles and the messages, Space Shuttle missions UFO encounters to a solution to our equation - achieving collective consciousness through Global Meditation and impacting the fractal structure of this Matrix for the better.

The Veritas Show Website : http://www.veritasshow.com
The Veritas Show Blogsite: http://veritasshow.blogspot.com
The Manticore Forum : http://www.manticore.com

Video Produced By : webeufobelievers
http://webeufobelievers.blogspot.com


Bio
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Pane Andov was born in Skopje, Macedonia in 1973. Mr. Andov specialized in computer sciences connected to power supply systems and for more than a decade he worked as a computer specialist in Macedonias largest telecommunications company. He left the company after realizing that computer science and advancement of power supply systems were not his life objectives. He began to direct his time and energy towards making a difference by way of sharing his new-found knowledge in his birth country and the Balkan region. His method of creating public conscious awareness was via a monthly publication of his own magazine which he called The Sixth Sense.

After publishing thirty two issues of the magazine, a difference amongst the regions awareness began to manifest. This created a collective change amongst peoples lives indicated by the thousands of replies received with gratitude for the input of information provided.

As the chief editor of the magazine, it gave Pane unrestricted rights to document information regarding; ancient civilizations, UFO phenomena, extraterrestrial influences over humanity, Top Secret projects and experiments, hidden agendas of the Elite, to ancient esoteric arts such as; meditation, kundalini energy, astral projection, remote viewing, telepathy, auras, clairvoyance, psychometrics, psychokinesis and much more.

Rapidly, he began to understand that humanity was under some kind of experiment by a few E.T races and that the truth was hidden from us. One by one, the missing pieces of the mosaic started to fall into the place and he was starting to see what was going on. At the same time, he felt great sorrow with the realization that he couldnt share his observations and conclusions. The average level of astral development was so low at the time. If he touched a subject he could hurt someone and demolish his whole belief system.

Instead of sharing what was going on in the higher dimensions, he started to work on finding solutions to the equation called humanity. After many years of contact with E.T intelligences, he had finally understood what was going on and had seen what was coming in the future and how some of what is coming could be neutralized.

webeufobelievers is an interesting site.

I haven't had time to check that all the parts of this series are still available but will do so when I get a round tuit.

[Lost Soul]

This is probably one of the most useful thread on Avalon. Never mind Charles (no disrespect intended).

[shadowbox]

Wow.

I can't believe people are actually buying this crap.

You people /actually/ believe the sun is going to go into "Red Giant" phase within the next two years?

There is a lot of useful information in this video, BUT there is also a LOT of misleading information as well.

I may be wrong ...

... but I also feel we are all going to be fine in the years 2012 / 2013.

Things will change... but in ways none of us can predict or comprehend...

...I feel so many people on this forum have a negative outlook on the events that could occur in 2012.

No one ever mentions positive potential on here, not really...

...I've never been so depressed in my life since I started reading these forums. I feel like the information on here blocks my 3rd eye from accessing the source...

...I began meditating again last night after weeks of not meditating (I was hopeless after reading these forums)... but I'm just going to follow my light, my soul and listen with my 3rd eye ...

..

all will be well. We are not all going to boil into nothing and have to skyrocket to the center of the milky way within 30 seconds .... LOL

30 seconds? I thought time was specific to our plane of reality? Or even just earth in general?

...

alex

[gigawatt]

Shadowbox,

As with everything I have come across through my awakening, I retain only the material that resonates with me.

I think some people got the right information, some have the wrong information, some only have pieces and I have nothing but what I choose to believe in.

So I go about collecting bits and pieces of DATA that I cut and paste together to form the reality I believe in and the possible future laid out for me and with that I formulate my plan A/B/C.

I did retain some information from watching these videos which another member posted earlier and it is in reference to all hell breaking loose and the lose of your physical body:

"... don’t stare into floods, earthquakes and terror down below that you see from the astral dimension, you have not much time to become aware that your physical body is gone and scenario that you have read in 2010 took place. Stop panicking and concentrate on going fast towards the center of the Milky Way galaxy. Take a strong and fast astral flight and push the consciousness to maximum without fear.
The beams are not far away so you will not need to travel far and as soon as you see gigantic approaching beam of bluishwhite light, go straight into it. Once it will touch you, the DNA change will be completed and you will be safe. But you have to remember that you have max 30 seconds to become aware of what is going on and move your pure essence in your astral body out of the astral space of Earth before the negative entities use advanced technology to trap it. Remember max 30 seconds to escape the planet, and to direct yourself towards the galactic center of Milky Way. It’s very important
that you got this clearly."
So, should all else fail and proove false... I'm gonna give this a try

[ponda]

Hi shadowbox,


Yeah that's a good way of looking at things.Take out what is useful to you and leave the rest.

To me there is nothing negative about any of it.It's all a positive change for the good.It doesn't matter what anyone says is going to happen because none of it can be proven anyway so there is no use worrying about any of it.

A lot or all of what Andov says are 'his' interpretations of 'his' experiences and the crop circles.

The crop circles are key here IMHO.They appear to be intelligent messages from much higher intelligent benevolent beings who appear to know what might be going to happen cosmically etc this is where Andov gets the perception that the sun might go into red giant phase.Remember this is his perception of some crop circles.

One particular crop circle had an image of the solar system with the sun at the center.The sun in this image had expanded in size to encompass Mercury and Venus.This is where he gets the Red Giant perception BUT this expansion could well mean something completely different.It might mean some other type of solar phase or influence.Also the crop circle could of been tampered with after its initial formation etc.

It's always a good idea to be skeptical and also to take everything into account.


cheers


This circle appeared at Avesbury Manor on July 15,2008.Notice the size of the sun in this image.




One week later the crop circle was altered and another image appeared next to it.The size of the sun had been enlarged.I think it is worth pointing out that the farmer has cut his crops across the image so as to form three lines across the sun.If these three lines are taken into account it almost appears to cancel out the the solar enlargement in a way.





Links: http://cyber-space-war.blogspot.com/...s-to-2012.html

http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic...op+circle+2012


Some good info on this crop circle can be found at this link if anyone is interested.

http://www.iamjeshuareturned.com/the...e_trigger.html

[shadowbox]

Thank you for that I understand it is useful to know of such an idea... in any way...

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by shadowbox (here)
Wow.

I can't believe people are actually buying this crap.

You people /actually/ believe the sun is going to go into "Red Giant" phase within the next two years?

There is a lot of useful information in this video, BUT there is also a LOT of misleading information as well.

I may be wrong ...

... but I also feel we are all going to be fine in the years 2012 / 2013.

Things will change... but in ways none of us can predict or comprehend...

...I feel so many people on this forum have a negative outlook on the events that could occur in 2012.

No one ever mentions positive potential on here, not really...

...I've never been so depressed in my life since I started reading these forums. I feel like the information on here blocks my 3rd eye from accessing the source...

...I began meditating again last night after weeks of not meditating (I was hopeless after reading these forums)... but I'm just going to follow my light, my soul and listen with my 3rd eye ...

..

all will be well. We are not all going to boil into nothing and have to skyrocket to the center of the milky way within 30 seconds .... LOL

30 seconds? I thought time was specific to our plane of reality? Or even just earth in general?

...

alex

well, i'd like to see it turn into a red giant in two years, what's negative about that? andov provided pics from nasa telescopes i believe which show a sun or suns that are nearer to the galactic center turn into red giants because of the magnetic wave coming from gc as it hit them. to me that makes sense because

a) the maya knew about that (check the web for info about hunab ku) and afaik that's why the long count stops in dec 2012 and doesn't start again at zero. it's the end of time because the limitation that was deliberately placed on human consciousness is removed (read the explorer race books if you want to know why) and the illusion of time is no longer experienced. all that is because of this magnetic wave that hits us. it's like a kundalini awakening but on a much greater scale. once consciousness expands beyond 3d it's not that much different from the death or out of body state. who cares if you actually retain your body or not when that happens? if you die you just reincarnate elsewhere but the 3d limitations will be gone forever because you're out of school.

and b) it seems logical that when an energy source is infused with more energy it expands before collapsing once both its own fuel and the external energy from the hitting wave is gone. (light bulb anyone?)

c) what else do those crop circles with the expanding sun mean? at the very least that the magnetic field expands if not the sun itself and the outcome for us will be the same

oh, and d) i'm perfectly sure that not all of us will be fine in 2013 if being fine for you means still being in our bodies. one thing that pretty much ALL predictions about the future have in common is that the world population will have been reduced tremendously at some point. and to me the most likely date when that removal is going to happen is between october 2011 and march 2013, probably on more than one occasion with a climax at the end.

at any rate, you should get rid of the notion that dying is in any way negative. you just drop your body, that's all. if you can, try to get out of body and you'll see that the worst thing is actually being IN a body.

[greybeard]

The truth is there said
"at any rate, you should get rid of the notion that dying is in any way negative. you just drop your body, that's all. if you can, try to get out of body and you'll see that the worst thing is actually being IN a body."

Well it was ok when i was in my teens. Laughing

It is right to be skeptical. I have heard so many end off stories I have lost count.
However there are cycles and with the scientific evidence aligned with the recent flooding and obvious weather changes something unusual is going on.
We will just have to wait and see.
People die evert second of the day, people are born every second of the day.
One way or another life continues even after death of the body.

Why worry whatever happens happens whether we worry or not.
Dan started an interesting thread re March 9th worth a look
unity consciousness
Chris

[viking]

A message from Mo...a freind of Pane Andov (Astralwalker)


Good day everyone,


After reading 4 pages of comments, related to 1-8 parts of video on youtube from Pane Andov - Astralwalker, have decided to say couple of words. First, my sincere apology, cos English is not my native language, and it is limiting me in more accurate expression of my thoughts.

A similar situation is with Astralwalker , he could present what he has to say in one of his native languages (one of them is also my native language), and then would be up to you guys to chase the ways to translate on English and get to know what he is writing about.



First time I have come across with Astralwalkers work here , on this forum , around year ago . Have caught my eye cos of straight writing , as someone who knows what he is writing about , and frankly , explanations where solid and sound. So , I have started digging to find all of his contribution all over the internet .



His writing was building a strong parallel world in my head , and when I heard that he has moved to the Gold Coast , I have decided that is time to stop this chase , and meat him , and get straight answers . Was looking also signs if he is paid as disinfo agent etc (not that I am expert for disinfo agents , but still , wanted to be clear , is just his imagination all this writing , or is real , as real could be.)



Went to rented unit , that he was living in , was looking for signs of all wealth that he has collected from all of us , who where reading his contribution on different forums for last couple of years , was looking what car he is driving , what rings , or golden watches he has collected in this two - tree years since he has arrived to Oz.

I haven't seen any of this , no any sigh of luxure ,

I haven't seen any financial benefit for him self ( neither his family) in persuing his message , neither some sain reason to leave his nice life in Skopje (Macedonia ) , leave relatives , friends , a job , his publishing magazine , and to come to Oz with his wife and small kids .



Oh , yes , life in Melbourne could be nice , and financially more profitable than that in Macedonia, but no one in the right state of his mind would choose location of The Triangle to build his "earthly kingdom " and to move there one day and to live from "contribution of the joining people".

He , for sure would choose Hawaii if would be up to him - if would be about comfortable life .

If would be about location for survival , based just on human thinking , He (Pane ) would be first to settle in some mountains of Macedonia , or even joining Patrick Geryll , in some high mountain range in Africa .



From human view point , Pane has done the worst choice , cos Triangle is not high altitude ,just a couple of hundreds of meters above the sea level , mostly is dry , dusty , hot , in the middle of no where. And he is preparing to go there with his family.



Why ??? Cos of his experience of abduction when he was 7 years of age . And cos of regular contacts during his life with same group of ET , who have been showing to him what will happened in the time ahead of us . The triangle , safe zone , in Queensland , is not product of Panes thinking , but it is info given to him. By ET. Point.



To believe him or not ??? Lets analyse : It is not attractive area that Triangle. Definitely not place voluntarily to go , to build dream house , or to rise children. Doesn't sound safe either , not mountains , not fresh water , not good soil . Nothing .

The triangle , 400km x 400km x400km .



Is Pane just another fraud or not ? I mean , it is popular in our time , to make up some theories , and find the followers , and have a nice , easy life . Like a religion. Profitable.



If you are watching the video , or if you have been on his seminar as I was , you will see his photos , dating back 20 years , and you will see him standing and holding the forks and spoons attached by body magnetism to his palms. You will see him seating in the lotus position , also , laying with crystals placed over his body ...all of this in his teen age . You will see a photo of his diary in old math copy book from Yugoslavia where he is illustrating astral travel and things that he has seen ...

(I don't have any photo of my childhood , or teen age in lotus position , or holding by body magnet spoons or forks attached to parts of my body . This was not daily event in communist country , neither part of 99.99% of lives of us growing in that country . Do you have photo of your self in that style?)



So they are two options : or Pane has planed 20 + years ago very elaborate way to deceive all of us , in that case we should congratulate him on being very patient , and unfolding his trick for so long .



Or event of abduction that he is talking about really did take a place , and changed direction of his life , setting him on path of exploring , learning and developing paranormal abilities.



By the way if is easier to decide that he is fraud ,so that we don't have to make any changes in our established life style , should we do same with Peter Sterling ( http://projectcamelotproductions.com..._sterling.html ) cos his message is more or less , identical , about The Wave from Milky way Galaxy , devastation effect on the Planet , activation of DNA , and need to increase vibration of DNA to become more compatible with energy that is arriving )???



Someone said on this forum that Panes grasp of physic , how Pane is explaining about Sun to go into Red Giant faze is not accurate , soc will take at least 5 billion years before will happen True , as long as Sun is left alone . How ever there are stars (Gamma Crucis in Southern Cross and also Chi Cygni, that I know of by name) in Milky way galaxy that have turned into red giant phase (one of them within 6 month) , and they have been on the way of spreading wave of energy that is now heading towards us.
( http://www.google.com.au/#sclient=ps...818f32dce96cb6 )



Peter Sterling said that he was told by ET that mayan calendar has charted arrival of this wave.

Crop circle from 15 July 2008 in Avebury Manor and his alteration week later are saying the same.

Pane says that he has been shown same by his ET friends.

Dr Paul LaViolette is also expecting arrival of this wave. Despite the fact that the doctor is not sure when this superwave will hit he was very interested in Pane’s work and they exchanged their views many times.

Should we just go back to sleep and not to worry anything?

What about latest happenings? Everything is out of balance.

Or maybe is time to get ready?

Someone here said something about " if it points to time and space, it is not real."

During Nazi era in Germany , some of Jews said it is time to go out , and now. They said time and place , and have survived .

I am not making parallel between Biblical Noah and Pane , but Noah said time and place , and no ones believed . Mistake - a big one.

Time and place was many times helpful . Just hypothetically , say that really did happened , that friendly ET (or even a God , for the sake of argument ) did pass him the details , time and location. How would you believe , if you have locked your self up into " no time , and no space to be real" ?
It did take to Pane a lot of time to write his pdf 2012 Equation Solved , and to pripare his presentations /seminars, and I believe that has consumed a lots of his time to make his lenghty contribution on diferent forums in the past . If that time he would convert into regular work and make a money , he would have material prosperity . Instead he chosed to invest his time into asembling information that he can pass to us , so far for free.


I am planing to make and plant my garden also , it will be somewhere in the Triangle zone . Will take my chance . The latest in March of 2012 .
Better is months earlier than a day to late. Pole shift , or Corona mass ejection can stop us in our efforts to move to the safe zone .
With hope that this planet will hold till March 2012 , regards , and good luck to all of us.
Mo
~~~~~~~~~~

viking

[Jonathon]

I have to say that by comparison to a whole host of other whistle-blowers and/or witnesses, Pane at least demonstrates the evidence for his conclusions, as opposed to the "trust me" method. He has more than a story. Call it what you want, but I think it's important to consider the evidence he has put forth. If someone has some other evidence to refute his conclusions, I would be first in line to give it a look. I'm currently giving it a deep, hard look. I have the DVDs on order and will have more to say once I get through them and cross reference all that I can.

[greybeard]

I may have difficulty in assimilating the totality of what Payne is saying but I think I have the essence.
Other are saying very similar.
Thanks for the letter Viking
I believed him anyway but it is good to see.
Chris

[Pilgrim]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
So many stories and who or what to believe.
Does it really matter?
I will plant my garden
and await the day grandchildren come.

Very true, nice, indeed:-) Enjoy both, I understand your point. However, everyone has his-her own part to play in the whole story, everythings is important, planting flowers, waiting for grandchildren, or "saving the world", therefore it is amazing to explore which part is our own. I enjoy really this thread, thank you to all of you for your inputs.

[Pilgrim]

Posted by shadowbox (here)
Wow.

I can't believe people are actually buying this crap.

You people /actually/ believe the sun is going to go into "Red Giant" phase within the next two years?

There is a lot of useful information in this video, BUT there is also a LOT of misleading information as well.

I may be wrong ...

... but I also feel we are all going to be fine in the years 2012 / 2013.

Things will change... but in ways none of us can predict or comprehend...

...I feel so many people on this forum have a negative outlook on the events that could occur in 2012.

No one ever mentions positive potential on here, not really...

...I've never been so depressed in my life since I started reading these forums. I feel like the information on here blocks my 3rd eye from accessing the source...

...I began meditating again last night after weeks of not meditating (I was hopeless after reading these forums)... but I'm just going to follow my light, my soul and listen with my 3rd eye ...

..

all will be well. We are not all going to boil into nothing and have to skyrocket to the center of the milky way within 30 seconds .... LOL

30 seconds? I thought time was specific to our plane of reality? Or even just earth in general?

...

alex

I would say people just came here to search for their answers. It is very positive thing they asctually do so. There is a huge exchange of information. There would be for sure something truthfull, something what is only piece of puzzle and something what is simple deception. Of course, it depends on anyone´s discernment what to believe or what to do. I can see our presence here is just a small part of our learnig and growing process. I view it as our opprotunity to change something in this world. It is most valuable side of this Forum. I am gratefull to all participents comments including yours. Pane Andov is brave man with many skills and talents. I appreciate his thoughts and hard work which is behind his reaserch. Not everyone is brave enough to talk about these subjects openly. He deserves our gratittude. What he says there is part of it which resonates with me, there is also some info I am bit carefull and some I am sceptical. Thank´s to all of you here.P.

[ahamkara]

The information presented by Pane seems to be grounded in the truth of his own experience, and I respect his dedication to opening up this information to others. Whether it will "happen" or not, at a predicted time, seems less important to me than the fact it has stirred an awareness of NOW in my own spiritual awareness - the time for awakening is now, each moment. I have become concious of how each thought and action in the NOW is shaping and creating my own vibrational reality. That is a wonderful gift, and so I am thankful. Namaste.

[araucaria]

I am sorry to report that after some considerable time grappling with this material, it just does not resonate in the slightest - for me.

[yiolas]

Lisa Harrison is a very capable interviewer in my opinion. She did a great job interviewing Pane Andov in March 2011. My take on people like Astral Walker is that their purpose is to shine some light on our paths. Hopefully, very soon we will be able to go down that path without anyone's assistance.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ismCcIBmszw

[greybeard]

Thanks Yiola
Im neutral in that some of what he says is a bit beyond my understanding but I do think there may well be quite a bit of truth in it.
David Sereda saying similar.
Chris

[Anna]

Thank you Yiola and I agree about Lisam Harrison, beautiful woman with great questions.
Pane's answers ring truthful to me.

[WhiteFeather]

It Would be a great idea if Bill/Kerry could interview Pane Andovs material/concepts, great stuff here. Just a thought.

[Lost Soul]

Good suggestion WhiteFeather.