Posted by Bill Ryan
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Amen to that. I have asked Richard to leave the forum. It is no longer appropriate that he holds the position he has done for quite a long while. I here ask Celine to leave with him and to take their energies elsewhere. I am making this call, and the call is mine alone, and I believe that the forum will now settle down to a significant degree in the days and weeks to come.
Best of luck with that it is only beginning and it was not Rich`s fault despit what you want to believe Bill
None of the other moderators have been involved in this decision, although I know that some of them are in full agreement with me. Others will protest: an understandable result of conflict of loyalties based on long friendship - and they may also leave. That is all fine.
Flush the toilet again and start over how many groups of mods has this happened too now Bill?
There are no bad people here. Only
incompatibilities, human frailty in various forms, and strong differences of opinion that make it impossible for the continuity of a functioning team as currently structured. The world will continue, and so will Avalon, which is larger than any individual.
They seemed to be doing the Job they were signed up for just fine. Do those individuals include you ?
I want to thank Richard for his hard work and commitment to the forum over a long period of time, which probably feels to him even longer. He is a good man, and he snapped.
And i would have too Bill no one would be allowed to do that type of thing to my wife and get away with it . You seem to be endorsing that type of behavior that Celine had to endure
On my part,
the final breakdown of trust happened when it was brought to my attention that he had shared with the other moderators that he intended to leave with a tell-all post that would be very deliberately negative and destructive. That may still come, but if it does, the vindictiveness that powers it will be transparent.
IT may very well as other forums will no doubt publish it and it will find its way back here . Transparent Bill LOL you want to know my feeling on transparency here at Avalon ? I think not
What is there to be afraid of if you have done nothing wrong? It looks here as though this may be your motivation in asking him to leave . I do not blame him for his reaction mod hat on or off I would have done the same . He has shown his ability to remain cool . You are also not with out your faults Bill and have lost control on many occasions many i know of that you are unaware of . There was no need to mention Tone. The poster questioning your decision did not use his name YOU did bringing it to light again was it called for ? I think not and if it happened on a different web site ...... Really what business is it of yours . If some discussed it here well thats what forums are for . Just look at what
your actions have cause here at this forum lately.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
I told him, when I spoke with him on the phone a few hours ago, that the call was his whether to leave with dignity - or to leave with negativity, bitterness, and a fully destructive action. He said he would indeed make that call, and ended the conversation. I hope that he makes the correct decision, for the sake of his own karma.
I will terminate their accounts in 24 hours from now.
I thank Richard sincerely here for his many hours of commitment to make the world a better place in this particular way in which he has been able to contribute. The pressures he has been under have been near-impossible to manage or balance. He has been torn in half with his fierce loyalty to his wife Celine, and his equally fierce loyalty to myself and the forum. They could not reasonably coexist in one person.
Yet you put those pressures on him did you not so you could do other things and now you throw him to the curb for doing what you asked. Its kind of like God creating an imperfect species (humans) and then blaming them for their imperfections
Celine, like many of us, has her own internal battles to wage and her personal mountains to climb. But this forum is no longer the appropriate venue for that to be conducted in public view.
Do make me go there Bill
The pressure Richard was under erupted in so much suppressed anger that it is self-evident that he must take his leave. I have contacted the hosting company to change all the passwords to the server and elsewhere. I cannot risk a moment of angry insanity which would destroy the heartfelt co-creation of many thousands of people over a long year of human experience in all its richness. I regret that I felt obliged to take that protective step, but it was the right thing to do.
Its already happening you just refuse to see it
I regard all the moderators as my friends, and always have done. It's for them to choose whether to return my deep feeling of sincere fellowship. I expect a number of them to step down, and this is all fine. Beth has already done so, and I accepted her resignation, which she conveyed with all the dignity and grace that I would expect from her. I thank her here for her countless hours of hard work on behalf of you all, as I do Rich.
As I wrote above, the world continues. In the meantime, I will not see this forum polluted by negative emotion, smears, innuendoes, and unjustified personal attack. If we want to create a better world, it has to start here, with each of us personally and with the way we relate to others. While that construction job is in progress, there may be certain people who we exclude from the worksite. Ultimately, of course, we are all in this together.
It all depends on whose versions of the meaning of these words unjustified personal attack We are going by if they are yours you should define them so people are aware of them the biggest being unjustified. Because if we are going to go by the dictionary term I feel Richard was justified in his reaction yet you wish to fault him for doing so. sorry Bill just calling as I see it
.With my best wishes to everyone ~ Bill
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