An important announcement following the closure of the WORM TONGUE thread

[wolf_rt]

well, all i can say is its always a shame to see people allow themselves be manipulated.

[Tuza]

Posted by bashi (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
There are no double standards here.

I like that

???????????????????????? I am pondering, just pondering.

[chelmostef]

Anyone who wants to tell their story should be able to come here...IMO
We have to use our discernment

[Tuza]

Posted by wolf_rt (here)
well, all i can say is its always a shame to see people allow themselves be manipulated.

Yes I do agree and with that I am off to watch some good old msm.

[dejavu]

I have only been posting for a short while and have recognised with fresh eyes there are some tensions and difficulties in Avalon just now. I came to this sight as a truth seeker and found it difficult to swallow the internal tensions that were spilling out over many posts. There does seem to be big changes afoot and people react in different ways. Unfortunately two dedicated people seem to be causalities of what might be described as 'war' and I'm sorry about that. However, necessary in my opinion and it was done according to what Bill has written in this post with care, love, regret and much integrity. As I mostly watch from a distance I see good people here for good reasons being distracted from the 'truth' with internal politics, Charles and the following negativity. I hope this is a turning point and people can focus on what's important and remember why they joined this forum in the first place.

[kersley]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
Bill, will Lee-b be reinstated? i thought he had a fair and valid argumennt on the 'worm' thread, and i frankly did not understand all the vitriol tossed his way. don't think he got a fair shake there.

Richard completely removed Lee_B from the database. I can't unban him, because his record was permanently deleted and he no longer exists. It was an extraordinary action.

Based on this, Richard is not fit for the job. Threatening members and using your position to over power others is most definitely crossing the line.
Rules and boundaries are set for a reason. If you can't stay within them, then one must do the honorable thing and leave.
This must have been a tough decision to make Bill? I commend you for been strong and keeping your focus on what is best for the Avalon.

I will miss Richard specially Celine. I trust that in time we will all learn from this.
Kersley

[Agape]

It's a savior decision , thanks Bill . After countless unpaid hours spent on administrating and moderating such a huge forum for almost 2 or 3 years ,
their family schedule and ordinary run have to be seriously affected .

Maybe we all need to breathe more than to type and watch our wives back on Internet forum ?

I'd say , dear Rich and Celine, give yourself a freedom .

Life does not have to end in hurts .

[HaveBlue]

When this or any forum becomes your whole life it takes a good friend to give you the wake up you need. Well done Bill. You are a class act. \m/

[Chuck]

Bill, I suspect this has been a very difficult time for you as well as for Richard, Celine, Beth and of course all the other mods and administrators. I am sorry for Avalon’s loss. Those three have had significant influence on building a dynamic, inspired forum.

I join with you in giving my heartfelt thanks to Richard, Celine and Beth for their service to help bring knowledge, foster fellowship, inspire contemplation and bring a smile to a fellow pilgrim.

I honor the light within you... and you and you and you!

[Donna O]

*my first post was a mistake, apologies, this is what I should have wrote here.
I feel very sad for those that are involved, I knew none of them personally but as a stranger watching events unfold it was an old storyline that has been played out over and over….

Celine became empowered by Richard’s position, it would have been hard not to do, she was emotionally attached to the forum. Gypsy woman challenged that position and it became a power struggle. Richard was caught right in the middle and obviously, his wife comes first…

It’s always a bad idea to mix business with pleasure; it’s a well known saying for a very good reason.

Lets hope this can be a good learning process for all.

Avalon is only at risk if people decide to use slander and accusations against it’s main players, think carefully before you post….

[HURRITT ENYETO]

A sad day for Avalon indeed.
Can i say to the remaining Mods and Admin PLEASE DONT LEAVE It appears Avalon is still Hemorrhaging please lets try and stem the flow.

[NinjaPhil]

Thanks Bill for making this difficult call. Celine and Rich will surely be missed but this was clearly a necessary action for the benefit of the community.

It's upsetting that many here are letting internal politics of the site take such a huge hold on their life. This gets all too easy behind the anonymity of the internet and can very easily draw out the worst in people. Arguing over whether PM's can be read or should be forwarded is missing the point, if you say something to another person and mean it you shouldn't care who else sees it. More importantly, if that is the case you probably shouldn't be saying it in the first place!

The reality of this is that this isn't real. We are making up our own politics and social situations and creating our own self importances and inflicting them on the community as a whole. Charles didn't do this WE did. Anyone who takes part in the arguing/bickering is doing it. There's a choice here, if someone posts something attacking you do you rise back and get drawn into it or do you ignore it/report it to the mods if appropriate. The simple answer is what Bill is saying, we are all amazing great people here but sometimes you get incompatibilities in which case the correct answer is to be asked to leave for the good of the group.

If you find yourself arguing or being abusive just stop, ask yourself WHY are you doing this? Does it benefit you or anyone else? Why are you here? Let that answer guide you. Again there's a report to moderator button - make use of it if it is needed rather than letting ego/politics take control.

With great respect and love of everyone here,

Phil

[Tangri]

Posted by HURRITT ENYETO (here)
A sad day for Avalon indeed.
Can i say to the remaining Mods and Admin PLEASE DONT LEAVE It appears Avalon is still Hemorrhaging please lets try and stem the flow.

Well If they are leaving without giving an explanation and act just to support Richard(who was using his position to verbally abusing and invasion of privacy( which Celine was tipping off some members origin)-) than I wish them luck on their journey
Love and peace might with you

[Anchor]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
My calling out Tone3Jaguar for using a pendulum to assess Wade Frazier's information as '11% accurate' was fully justified. Do take a moment to visit.

Bill,

Here is a quote of yours from the old forum. 03-04-2010 - not even a year ago.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=24

Posted by Bill Ryan

Posted by tone3jaguar
I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

I'd say that you're 100% correct.

I'm impressed... tell us what else you get on anything else that comes to mind (Seriously)

I'm not picking a fight here or anything, but tone3jaguar was basically a nice guy on this forum and I think this whole matter should be left alone now. However, I cant sit on my hands while I see him continually characterised as stupid - he was anything but stupid and he was sincere about his method and gave full disclosure, accepting that he could be wrong. He did not set out to smear your friend - he simply reported his findings.

I am not arguing about what you felt about his post on his forum - I may well have been angry too and would have argued my case.

By you perpetuating this here in this thread I feel forced to point this out - again.

John..

[kersley]

@ NinjaPhil.
Arguing over whether PM's can be read or should be forwarded is missing the point, if you say something to another person and mean it you shouldn't care who else sees it. More importantly, if that is the case you probably shouldn't be saying it in the first place!

You are a true Ninja Phil..Thanks

[Sarlic]

Thanks for the post Bill

Im glad you have stepped in and sorted this out it really needed to be done.

Can i just say that i know more then most about losing your temper and saying things that you regret later on.
It happens to the best of us and just shows that you are human and can make mistakes or in my case will make mistakes.

Yourself and all the mods on this forum do a great job and i have a lot of respect for what you have achieved here at Avalon
But im a firm believer in giving people second chances and more if needed so please think about not completely closeing the door on anyone thats been banned recently.

Also i would like to end on......

Welcome back Bill you have been missed by all at Avalon and its good to see your hat doing the rounds again.

Peace mate
John

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you Bill, for your ability to know when and how to use your sword.

[Merkaba360]

As I sit on the bottom of the pyramid looking up in awe.........

The people on top so caught up in the drama.....So identified with their positions and self importance.

Self importance is the core of everything wonderful and rotten in us. The rotten part drains our energy ruthlessly.

I wonder what its like to be so involved? Hard to imagine from a slaves position.

Many rise up to the top of the pyramid to have their ego truly tested. It seems most have great difficulty. I guess it gives me more compassion for the elite trying to kill my slave butt.

A good dose of suffering will bring any elitist back to reality. Is there an easier way? Any other way? For I wouldn't wish suffering on others.

I think the spirit might be prepping some nobodies who have been pummeled with suffering, demolishing their egos, to rise to the call of humanity and be leaders.

[Omni]

Wow I was completely ignorant of this drama. Shame it happened. I still think this forum is the best on the internet. I may be ignorant of a lot of what goes on here, but I've never seen a forum as good as this one in terms of poster quality and reason. This place is a major asset to the internet as I see it and I am very thankful to have found this place. Practically every member here is a diamond in the rough as far as I'm concerned. Please do not let this damper your view of this forum(If you can). Please do not contribute in any way that may harm this forum and group of people. I ask myself before each post "is this offering anything of value?", if it doesn't pass the test, I don't post it. I think Bills noise post was a great thing to do and had a good vision to it from him..

I'm new here so maybe it's not my place to give advice or do requests... But I think the best thing to do is move forward. Address it, understand/learn from it, express yourself, and move on. Every great organization faces challenges like this. It's best to have class and integrity as much as you can. Emotions are great to have, but at the same time they can lead to very irrational and harmful energy. If I can offer advice to any who lost their cool, reflect on what created that, and maybe you can prevent from reacting to it in such a way in the future. One can learn from anything.

I support Bill's decision. I must admit, I am curious about what exactly Celine(and maybe Richard) was talking about when putting Bill down. But that is something I can live without if they decide not to post about it. I do like Bill's decision to let them address the forum before they go if they desire. That speaks class to me, and having class and integrity in a situation like this is a great asset I want to commend Bill for.

Even the brightest group of humans can succumb to darker emotions from what I have seen. Hopefully all involved take lessons learned from this happening, and improve their selves in the longrun from this.

Richard and Celine I don't really know you well, but I wish you the best in your experiences, and hope this does not affect you in a negative way too much. Live and learn and carry on.

Bill: If there is anything I can do to help let me know(or us know).

[elysian]

Some of you are me having a bad day,
Some of you are me having a great day,

I love me,
I love all of you!




We are all one