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    Default Re: A reminder: please don't forget to donate to the Forum

    Bumping again. I know Bill never likes asking for help at any time.



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    Hello, Everyone — after a great deal of thought (I really hate doing this! ) I'm bumping this myself. It really is needed. I'd not be doing this otherwise.


    I cannot pay the server bills. I just can't. In recent months I've had to sell some personal items to make the payments, and I'm going to have to do that again. That's not really the way it should ideally be.

    If everyone active on the forum donated the price of a cup of coffee (literally!) once a month, there'd be zero problem at all.

    So, I have no real idea to know how to close this post... but my entreaty, I think, is: Please don't take the forum for granted. It does cost money — thousands of dollars! — every year to keep afloat. And it's my responsibility to make sure she sails well and flawlessly, for the benefit of us all.

    My sincere thanks to everyone for your generosity, past, present and future.




    If we can get the numbers, For the price of a Starbucks coffee each month $3 or $4 would help so much. What do you guys think ?

    Stay afloat Avalon.
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    Bumping again. I know Bill never likes asking for help at any time.



    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)


    Hello, Everyone — after a great deal of thought (I really hate doing this! ) I'm bumping this myself. It really is needed. I'd not be doing this otherwise.


    I cannot pay the server bills. I just can't. In recent months I've had to sell some personal items to make the payments, and I'm going to have to do that again. That's not really the way it should ideally be.

    If everyone active on the forum donated the price of a cup of coffee (literally!) once a month, there'd be zero problem at all.

    So, I have no real idea to know how to close this post... but my entreaty, I think, is: Please don't take the forum for granted. It does cost money — thousands of dollars! — every year to keep afloat. And it's my responsibility to make sure she sails well and flawlessly, for the benefit of us all.

    My sincere thanks to everyone for your generosity, past, present and future.




    If we can get the numbers, For the price of a Starbucks coffee each month $3 or $4 would help so much. What do you guys think ?

    Stay afloat Avalon.
    Bumping the bump - Bill only asks for help if he really needs it... every little helps.
    Love is all you need

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    Keep in mind that the more generous we are, the more cool videos Bill can make for us! :-)

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    Default Re: A reminder: please don't forget to donate to the Forum

    Adding a bump to the bumps.

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan
    So, I have no real idea to know how to close this post... but my entreaty, I think, is: Please don't take the forum for granted. It does cost money — thousands of dollars! — every year to keep afloat. And it's my responsibility to make sure she sails well and flawlessly, for the benefit of us all.
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    My sincere thanks to everyone for your generosity, past, present and future.
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    Hello, Everyone — after a great deal of thought (I really hate doing this! ) I'm bumping this myself. It really is needed. I'd not be doing this otherwise.

    Newer members may very understandably not be fully aware of the costs of the forum. Like a great deal of material on the net, we all (me, too) kind of unthinkingly assume it should somehow all be free, like some kind of globally sponsored public service.

    And for those who work everyday to add real value, there are a number of ways that many people try to monetize what they do: subscription newsletters, subscription interviews, dreadful advertising all over the place. I've always flatly refused to do that.

    My whole philosophy has been to pay it forward. The traditional protocol of exchange is:
    "I have something, and you want it. Okay, first give me some money, or something in return, and then, and only then, I'll let you have it."
    That's never sat naturally with me. Whatever planet I come from, I think works in a different way. (This may not be just a joke. )

    I've always contributed what I can, simply because that's the only thing to do. As Alan Watts famously said on his Sausalito houseboat back in the 70s, pointing to a passing seagull: "I teach, just as that bird flies."

    Then, in some other way, the return flow comes, often quite unexpectedly. In the early days of Project Camelot, Kerry Cassidy and I always worked that way, assuming that the donations would come in if we just published everything for free. (And, they did.)

    Tens of thousands of people still watch the old Camelot videos, which were among the best and most valuable on the net at the time. Some of them are still important classics. Project Camelot still receives donations from people watching those — but I don't, and when Camelot receives a gift, it's impossible to know what's prompted it: something old, or something new.

    Not a problem, truly, and I rarely think about it. But that's just a little background, about how I've kind of disconnected myself from that valuable stream of gifts. Mea culpa, in some ways.

    The forum here is small by many internet standards, but the quality is solid gold. I'm immensely proud of it, and of the entire community here. It's a huge library. And in our community we have some of the highest quality people one could ever wish to get to know. The moderators team is solid gold, too, and they work tirelessly to keep the forum working as impeccably as possible. No-one receives a penny for this. Their reward is the great satisfaction they get from helping.

    I cannot pay the server bills. I just can't. In recent months I've had to sell some personal items to make the payments, and I'm going to have to do that again. That's not really the way it should ideally be.

    I know that many of you reading this are yourselves not at all rich. The most generous donations sometimes come from people with very little to their name. I once got a donation, with a lovely note, from a young man in Poland who sent $1.20 and apologized that it was all he had. That moved me greatly. If everyone active on the forum donated the price of a cup of coffee (literally!) once a month, there'd be zero problem at all.

    So, I have no real idea to know how to close this post... but my entreaty, I think, is: Please don't take the forum for granted. It does cost money — thousands of dollars! — every year to keep afloat. And it's my responsibility to make sure she sails well and flawlessly, for the benefit of us all.

    My sincere thanks to everyone for your generosity, past, present and future.
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    Quote Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
    «I had promised you Bill that I would give whenever things would be better for me financially. Last years, the training industry has been going really down here in Quebec and truly, I was depressed, looking for a job, at an age when I should retire.

    Well, I got that job I wanted and had apply for in different potential positions in different companies for years. And at a decent salary. I will get my first paycheck in two weeks.

    Therefore, although I still have to pay my debts, I know I will be able to.

    So I sent you a donation, a little compared to all the services, with this forum, you rendered me, my daughter, and all of us, directly or indirectly.

    Hopefully it will help in sustaining a bit of the forum activities.

    Please members and readers, who enjoy this forum in any form, give as you can.

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    .
    This part of my PM reply just now (which I've also added to a little here), to a wonderfully supportive and longstanding forum member, may be interesting. They had suggested the possible idea of making the forum at least partly subscription-based. (No, that's not going to happen. )


    Hi there, and many thanks, as always. Quite a few years back (in the previous version of the forum, back in something like 2009, but that's entirely from memory), we did start a subscription for members, as a kind of experiment.

    If I remember right, it was $5 a month, reduced to $1 (or a total waiver) if people simply wrote and told us that they really did have no money. It generated quite a lot of resentment and criticism, for reasons I completely understand. After less than a year, we canceled all that and reverted right back to the donations system.

    I really don't think it's a good idea. We're dealing with logic vs. emotions here (as we often are!), and the emotions usually hold sway. It's how people feel that almost always counts. And that's totally real and valid, not some kind of illusion.

    As I mentioned in my main post on the donations thread, most people really do expect stuff on the internet to be for free. A few silly critics out there already think I somehow get rich from Avalon — in some never-explained, mysterious way. If only they knew!

    Added 'bonus' content can be subscription-based, just maybe, but much, or probably most, does need to be freely available. And I WANT it to be widely available, not locked up behind some paywall that excludes anyone at all.

    It's our JOB to get information and awareness out there. It's NOT our job to earn money from all this. (I didn't come to Planet Earth to earn money. Neither did most of you, reading this now.)

    As I always used to say in Project Camelot days, we can't sell this stuff, because no-one owns this information. (There's a very flawed concept of 'ownership' of conceptual, non-physical material that's widely prevalent in the western world, but that's entirely a different conversation.)

    Radio shows like Coast to Coast, Jeff Rense, Caravan to Midnight, and (partly) Red Ice Radio all have a pay-to-access-the-archives (or even a pay-to-listen) scheme, and no-one has a problem with that because it's been that way for so long. Catherine Austin Fitts' website Solari.com is all behind a paywall. So are quite a few others. But when a change is made, then that's where you might get riots in the [virtual] streets.

    My very strong pay-it-forward values are pretty much unshakably rock-solid. It all works out in the end, all part of the magical hologram of exchange in a myriad of different forms. We can never predict how the universe will pay us back, later, for the things we do unconditionally. (But, one still has to somehow pay the bills on time, as commercial service providers do not all work in this exact same way. )

    With my warmest wishes, as always ~ Bill
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    Default Re: A reminder: please don't forget to donate to the Forum

    Bill,

    I just sent something I could at the moment.

    Considering everything I gained from being part of this community
    (including two wonderful friends I have met off-line), the amount
    doesn't do justice.

    But I'll come back for it again. So, in a sense, it is a BUMP.
    Hopefully more people would take notice of this thread.

    Love from snowy Eastern Ontario,

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    Come on members and non-members, Avalon needs money, and we need Avalon. /

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    We enter a new month.....time to renew our enthusiasm for Avalon!!


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    March Madness!!! Let's go WILD for Avalon!

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    Hello, All! April Showers......Time to shower Avalon!

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    Hi everyone, Just a reminder that the forum needs you for it to continue the great work.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


    Peace

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    I have followed Avalon for years.
    I only recently became a regular contributor.
    After all I received, shame on me..
    But good for me for finally doing my part.
    Folks, it makes all the difference to me personally to know I am doing my part.
    I can't offer any great wisdom or sweaty grinding research, but I CAN pay a little something every month.
    It really makes me feel a part: I HIGHLY recommend it...

    Pamela

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    One puts one's money where one's is!!!


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    Got the message...will respond when able--within a week.

    Bill, open to receive...consciously.

    I've had to use this method when there was nothing to do but surrender. I've been living on miracles, and I fully expect you to receive some financial miracles in a big way.

    Check in with us in one week and give us a report, will you?

    Thanks,
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    You have my word that I will donate as soon as I can rustle some change together. I know it is an awkward topic, but I'd love to donate more once I am recovered enough to work. Thanks again to everybody who keeps this forum/community going. It changes people's lives for the better.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Hello, Everyone — after a great deal of thought (I really hate doing this! ) I'm bumping this myself. It really is needed. I'd not be doing this otherwise.

    Newer members may very understandably not be fully aware of the costs of the forum. Like a great deal of material on the net, we all (me, too) kind of unthinkingly assume it should somehow all be free, like some kind of globally sponsored public service.

    And for those who work everyday to add real value, there are a number of ways that many people try to monetize what they do: subscription newsletters, subscription interviews, dreadful advertising all over the place. I've always flatly refused to do that.

    My whole philosophy has been to pay it forward. The traditional protocol of exchange is:
    "I have something, and you want it. Okay, first give me some money, or something in return, and then, and only then, I'll let you have it."
    That's never sat naturally with me. Whatever planet I come from, I think works in a different way. (This may not be just a joke. )

    I've always contributed what I can, simply because that's the only thing to do. As Alan Watts famously said on his Sausalito houseboat back in the 70s, pointing to a passing seagull: "I teach, just as that bird flies."

    Then, in some other way, the return flow comes, often quite unexpectedly. In the early days of Project Camelot, Kerry Cassidy and I always worked that way, assuming that the donations would come in if we just published everything for free. (And, they did.)

    Tens of thousands of people still watch the old Camelot videos, which were among the best and most valuable on the net at the time. Some of them are still important classics. Project Camelot still receives donations from people watching those — but I don't, and when Camelot receives a gift, it's impossible to know what's prompted it: something old, or something new.

    Not a problem, truly, and I rarely think about it. But that's just a little background, about how I've kind of disconnected myself from that valuable stream of gifts. Mea culpa, in some ways.

    The forum here is small by many internet standards, but the quality is solid gold. I'm immensely proud of it, and of the entire community here. It's a huge library. And in our community we have some of the highest quality people one could ever wish to get to know. The moderators team is solid gold, too, and they work tirelessly to keep the forum working as impeccably as possible. No-one receives a penny for this. Their reward is the great satisfaction they get from helping.

    I cannot pay the server bills. I just can't. In recent months I've had to sell some personal items to make the payments, and I'm going to have to do that again. That's not really the way it should ideally be.

    I know that many of you reading this are yourselves not at all rich. The most generous donations sometimes come from people with very little to their name. I once got a donation, with a lovely note, from a young man in Poland who sent $1.20 and apologized that it was all he had. That moved me greatly. If everyone active on the forum donated the price of a cup of coffee (literally!) once a month, there'd be zero problem at all.

    So, I have no real idea to know how to close this post... but my entreaty, I think, is: Please don't take the forum for granted. It does cost money — thousands of dollars! — every year to keep afloat. And it's my responsibility to make sure she sails well and flawlessly, for the benefit of us all.

    My sincere thanks to everyone for your generosity, past, present and future.


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    Just sent $20 via paypal. My old email on paypal, but it does not matter, it still went through. Hope this little drop in the ocean helps. Than you Bill for your hard work and that of the Moderators. .

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    For those preferring to pay by other means, I can handle donations in the form of cash sent through the postal service, checks drawn on US banks, bitcoin or ethereum crypto-currency, wire transfers, money orders, and (a new convenience for those using cash) Amazon Cash. Whatever money I receive in such ways, I pass along to Bill's Paypal account, and then I send a PM to both the sender and Bill, letting them know the donation was received and thanking the donor.
    Last edited by Paul; 8th August 2017 at 19:07.

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