Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[bashi]

This guy does not know the sky. He can't name surrounding stars. He does not use a common sky-map program downloadable for free. Otherwise he would have found out by himself that it is Mars.

Please consider that the vid was made on the 18th March, not today.
Lock at this vid from the same guy:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XRRKWjg9QOs

Then follow the path of the camera from Orions belt to the star synchronous on a star map. It will lead you EXACTLY to the position of Mars on the 18th March.

The coordinates he is giving are indeed pointing into a black area at google sky near NGC2281. But its not where the star/Mars was on the 18th.

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[Eric J (Viking)]

This was just sent to me via my questions with Nasa with regard to anomolies on Soho ect etc ...

They are trying very hard to de-bunk this 2012/Planet x/Nibiru thing!! I wonder why!! What is the 'truth'

Anyway interesting read and video... have a peep

"Stories about the fictional planet Nibiru and predictions of doomsday in December 2012 have blossomed on the Internet. There are now (June 2009) more than 175 books listed on Amazon.com dealing with the 2012 doomsday. As this hoax spreads, many more disaster scenarios are being suggested. “Ask an Astrobiologist” has received nearly a thousand questions about Nibiru and 2012, with more than 200 answers posted. Many new questions are similar to those already answered. Following is a list of the most popular “Twenty Questions” organized in a logical succession and answered in some detail."

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...ns-and-answers

viking

[Thodin303]

That was interesting. I was never "worried" about 2012, I defiantly don't feel it is a doom and gloom thing. I am excited and happy to be where I am at this moment.

[Solphilos]

It is hilarious how they beat around the bush when it comes to such things.

Notice how they deny the existence of a "planet x", and the Dec 21 2012 date as the "end of the world".

They do not mention Nemesis, and do not deny that there may be a secondary sun, or cold dwarf lurking out there. They never really deny the truth, only technicalities. There is a mysterious body out there that may be a part of our solar system, but it is not a planet.
There could be great cataclysmic events affecting our planet in the near future, but it won't be on the specific date of 12-21-12, and it won't be caused by the non-existent planet.
Technically, they are correct

[SteveX]

Posted by Solphilos (here)
It is hilarious how they beat around the bush when it comes to such things.

Notice how they deny the existence of a "planet x", and the Dec 21 2012 date as the "end of the world".

They do not mention Nemesis, and do not deny that there may be a secondary sun, or cold dwarf lurking out there. They never really deny the truth, only technicalities. There is a mysterious body out there that may be a part of our solar system, but it is not a planet.
There could be great cataclysmic events affecting our planet in the near future, but it won't be on the specific date of 12-21-12, and it won't be caused by the non-existent planet.
Technically, they are correct

FROM THE LIST OF QUESTIONS UNDER THE VIDEO IN THE LINK.

18. Can you prove to me that Nibiru is a hoax? There are so many reports that something terrible will happen in 2012. I need proof because the government and NASA are keeping so much from us.

It is not logical to ask for proof that the 2012 doomsday is a hoax. Your questions should be to the doomsday advocates to prove that what they are saying is true, not to NASA to prove it is false. If someone claimed on the Internet that there were 50-foot tall purple elephants walking through Cleveland, would anyone expect NASA to prove this wrong? The burden of proof falls on those who make wild claims. Remember the often-quoted comment from Carl Sagan that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary levels of evidence if they are to be believed.

However, I think that astronomers have reached the point where we can offer extremely strong arguments that Nibiru does not exist. A large planet (or a brown dwarf) in our solar system would have been known to astronomers for many years, both indirectly from its gravitational perturbations on other objects and by direct detection in the infrared. The NASA Infrared Astronomy Satellite (IRAS) carried out the first all-sky survey in 1983, and several subsequent surveys would also have seen Nibiru if it were there. Further, if a large mass passed through the inner solar system every 3600 years, we would see its disruptive effects on the orbits of the inner planets, and we don’t.

You don’t need to take my word for it. Just use common sense. Have you seen Nibiru? In 2008 many websites said it would be visible to the naked eye in spring 2009. If a large planet or brown dwarf were headed for the inner solar system in 2012, it would already be tracked by hundreds of thousands of astronomers, professional and amateur, all over the world. Do you know any amateur astronomers who are watching it? Have you seen any photos or discussion of it in the big popular astronomy magazines like Sky & Telescope? Just think about it. No one could hide Nibiru if it existed.

[JoshERTW]

This article was a headline this morning on Discovery news, now I can't find it in their listing of recent articles at all. Had to go back through browsing history to find the link, transcript below in case the get rid of it (original link: http://news.discovery.com/space/rogu...ghborhood.html)

Brown dwarf-hunting astronomers have reported the discovery of a "failed star" located within 10 light-years from Earth. This makes it the nearest brown dwarf and one of ten nearest stellar objects to our solar system. Although its location isn't entirely unexpected (it is thought that the galaxy is stuffed full of these objects), the chemical composition of its atmosphere is a bit of a conundrum.

UGPSJ0722-05 is all by itself, floating through interstellar space, possibly having formed there on its lonesome, or kicked out of its host star system by an ancient gravitational game of stellar pinball. How it got there may not ever be known, but its close proximity allows astronomers to carry out detailed analysis of the object.

And what they found was a surprise.

Philip Lucas at the University of Hertfordshire, UK, and his international team are part of the UKIDSS Galactic Plane Survey, a program that uses the UK Infrared Telescope (UKIRT) in Hawaii to hunt for objects that glow in infrared.

Brown dwarfs are too small to initiate nuclear fusion in their cores for long periods (so they're not stars), but they are distinct from planets too. Their interior has a convective motion of material, ensuring it is constantly being mixed up, preventing chemicals from settling -- chemical differentiation is a planetary trait. Therefore, brown dwarfs are often considered to be the "bridge" between the most massive planets (Jupiter-like gas giants) and the smallest stars.

As brown dwarfs are technically "failed stars," they are naturally very dim in visible wavelengths, but they do emit in infrared, radiation the UKIDSS survey is sensitive to.

The UKIRT has already detected many cool brown dwarfs, but UGPSJ0722-05 appears to be the coolest ever discovered. It could have a surface temperature as low as 400 Kelvin, even cooler than the team's previous record of slightly below 500 K (see "Brown Dwarf Hunt Hits Record Low").

Using the Gemini Observatory, follow-up spectroscopic analysis has detected methane and water vapor in its atmosphere. As pointed out by the arXiv blog, the presence of organic compounds will surely get astrobiologists talking.

Oddly, when looking at the spectrum from UGPSJ0722-05, there is an anomalous absorption line (i.e. a particular wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum that is missing) that cannot be explained by our current understanding of brown dwarfs. Perhaps the UKIRT has discovered a new breed of brown dwarf; a very cool object with some chemical in its atmosphere that absorbs infrared radiation at a wavelength of 1.25 micrometers.

This is definitely one brown dwarf to keep a close eye on.

[Mandala]

My question is why are countries working 24/7 to complete underground bases. I personally have no proof, only what I have heard from whistle-blower testimony. What are they expecting to happen? Planet X, Pole shift, crustal displacement, nuclear war, CME.... If you have read the Norwegian politician's letter (Project Camelot) and believe there is an ounce of truth in it, he says they have furiously working on underground bases that can house 40% of their population. So what do they know....and what are they hiding? Not that we can do anything about it, but I am keeping an eye on things.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes I agree Mandala ... Why would they be building those? Also what about all the ancient scriptures and ancient clay tablets that depict the 10 planets... ect etc ... All the sciptures mention this...maybe with a different name...!!

Still to many unanswered questions!!!

Personally I would take whatever NASA says with a pinch of salt!!

viking

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.4584 Download on the right.

Persistent Evidence of a Jovian Mass Solar Companion in the Oort Cloud

Authors: John J. Matese, Daniel P. Whitmire

(Submitted on 26 Apr 2010)

Abstract: We present an updated dynamical and statistical analysis of outer Oort cloud cometary evidence suggesting the sun has a wide-binary Jovian mass companion. The results support a conjecture that there exists a companion of mass ~ 1-4 M_Jup orbiting in the innermost region of the outer Oort cloud. Our most restrictive prediction is that the orientation angles of the orbit normal in galactic coordinates are centered on the galactic longitude of the ascending node Omega = 319 degree and the galactic inclination i = 103 degree (or the opposite direction) with an uncertainty in the normal direction subtending ~ 2% of the sky. A Bayesian statistical analysis suggests that the probability of the companion hypothesis is comparable to or greater than the probability of the null hypothesis of a statistical fluke. Such a companion could also have produced the detached Kuiper Belt object Sedna. The putative companion could be easily detected by the recently launched Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE).

[zelda]

Please!!! In plain English, can you let us know what is going on?
Some of us are not erudites

[Solphilos]

They basically have found bits of evidence that may support Nemesis theory, or the existence of a companion to our sun. Not great evidence, but WISE(Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer ) is expected to give us more information.
Again, this is not a confirmation of anything, but is just a clue to keep us interested in the notion and anxiously awaiting news from WISE.

[Richard]

lol @ erudites

What they are basically saying is there is persistent evidence that a Jupiter sized body is inside the Oort Cloud.
The cloud surrounds our region of space outside our solar system.

[MorningSong]

Sounds very very interesting...

Thanks Eyes Wide Open!

[zelda]

Ahhhh, you see; Baby steps. With graph and info. Thank you so much Richard, Thank you so much Solphilos.

[bashi]

The result of this analysis is: Something can be out there with a high probability. It’s a lot of statistics with some data matching, while others is not.
But if assuming a large body out there, its likely to be:

“Thus we adopt an approximate range of perturber parameters 1MJ < Mp < 2MJ for a _ 30, 000AU extending to 2MJ < Mp < 4MJ for a _ 10, 000AU.”

That mass causes maybe weak stellar showers every 15 Million years which lasts 2 Million years :

“Matese and Lissauer (2002) investigated the frequency of weak stellar showers as well as the patterns of discernable OOC comet orbital elements. They found that stellar showers that produce a _ 20% peak enhancement in the background tidal flux occur with a frequency of approximately once every 15 Myr. The half-maximum duration is _ 2 Myr. Thus it is only moderately unlikely that we are presently in a weak stellar shower of this magnitude.”

“Modeling (Matese and Lissauer ( 2002)) had been performed including single stellar impulses
which mapped the comet flux over a time interval of 5 Myr, in 0.1 Myr intervals. Peak impulsive
enhancements _ 20% were found to have a half-maximum duration of _ 2 Myr and occurred with a mean time interval of _ 15 Myr”

These results are referring to a 1000 times longer time periodic phenomena, not to a 3600 or 26000 year period. It can not cause meteoric showers during a human lifetime, but an increase in occasionally hitting meteors during Millions of years.

Sorry folks, no Nemesis/Nibiru/Planet X; at least not because of this publication.

[lightblue]

don't feel sorry, it's great news

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I think it is a mistake to dismiss this info so casually. It seems there is SOMETHING huge unseen in space. Because its orbit does not fit the litterer, it does not mean there is nothing there.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Not sure what this is....Many have said that we would start to see Planet X by June/July !!!



http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/photo-of-the-day

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Interesting thread here...start from page 7 !!!
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/b...age=7#comments

viking

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

Click here for images of what are known as sundogs.

(also images below, from the Wikipedia sundog page)

If Planet X was visible to the naked eye, anywhere, at any time, tens of thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world - under no-one's control - would be screaming from the rooftops.

The circumstantial evidence seems to suggest that there is a massive object somewhere near Jupiter's orbit (at the moment) which is NOT radiating in the visible spectrum, but which has a bright infrared signature.

That's why there are several infrared satellites up there now that all seem to be looking out for something specific - there's a lot of money, time and expertise being spent on this. They'd not do this if they could take photos with a digital camera!

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Bill, yes I am aware of sun dogs... it does get a bit confusing...I have personally seen sun dogs myself a couple of times...and yes they do look like a solid body!!...

Not sure if the pics I posted above are sun dogs though...what you normally find with a sun dog is that they are directly to the right or left of the sun... and a distance as well...

viking