Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[Taurean]

I don't know, - this guy clearly knows his astronomy, so I wouldn't have thought he would be that easily fooled.

[greybeard]

I dont claim to know and I have no intention to spread distress or disinfo.
I take on board what doubters say.
I suspect something is affecting uour climate and upping the level of earthquake and volcanic activity but what I dont know.
Marshal Masters? Disinfo--- I dont have a clue
David Sereda I trust and he is on record as saying he would be amazed if nothing happened Dec 2012

This is dated May2011

* Marshall Masters

Without question, Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) is a very important object and one that deserves close attention. However, it long from being visible to the naked eye and in the interim, we are presently seeing is a lot of speculations, misinformation and carefully crafted disinformation. Consequently, most are in a quandary as to what this object actually is, and what that means to us.

Is Comet Elenin a clear and present danger as many believe? Alternatively, is it as astronomers now tell us, a relatively young and interesting comet but one that falls short of the criteria, needed to be dubbed a Great Comet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oioVNsVfYjI

[Taurean]

Like I speculated in an earlier thread, these seismic events could be the distractions that tptb are waiting for before they crash the monetary system and the gates of Hell flung open.

[Hervé]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I dont claim to know and I have no intention to spread distress or disinfo.
I take on board what doubters say.
I suspect something is affecting uour climate and upping the level of earthquake and volcanic activity but what I dont know.
Marshal Masters? Disinfo--- I dont have a clue
David Sereda I trust and he is on record as saying he would be amazed if nothing happened Dec 2012

This is dated May2011

* Marshall Masters

Without question, Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) is a very important object and one that deserves close attention. However, it long from being visible to the naked eye and in the interim, we are presently seeing is a lot of speculations, misinformation and carefully crafted disinformation. Consequently, most are in a quandary as to what this object actually is, and what that means to us.

Is Comet Elenin a clear and present danger as many believe? Alternatively, is it as astronomers now tell us, a relatively young and interesting comet but one that falls short of the criteria, needed to be dubbed a Great Comet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oioVNsVfYjI

Hi Chris!

Thanks for the update.

Something to keep in mind about the above M. Master video is that, in his own words, he presents "the worst case scenario." Why? He sells "preparedness" stuffs.

The other thing that got my brain squeaking: at some point in the video, he mentions the Earth entering Elenin's tail when Elenin is already beyond Earth's orbit and above it... that's not possible!

Yet he presents his stuff as "scientifically" derived... so much for that one!

Comet tail

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Diagram of a comet showing the dust trail, the dust tail (or antitail) and the gas tail. NASA



Comet Holmes (17P/Holmes) in 2007 showing blue ion tail on right


A comet tail and coma are illuminated by the Sun and may become visible from Earth when a comet passes through the inner Solar System, the dust reflecting sunlight directly and the gases glowing from ionisation. Most comets are too faint to be visible without the aid of a telescope, but a few each decade become bright enough to be visible to the naked eye.
The streams of dust and gas each form their own distinct tail, pointing in slightly different directions. The tail of dust is left behind in the comet's orbit in such a manner that it often forms a curved tail called the antitail. At the same time, the ion tail, made of gases, always points directly away from the Sun, as this gas is more strongly affected by the solar wind than is dust, following magnetic field lines rather than an orbital trajectory. Parallax viewing from the Earth may sometimes mean the tails appear to point in opposite directions.[1]

However, a comet tail could be used for a false flag orchestrated event:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)
I think our biggest obstacle is passing thru the tail of elenin, could rain meteors of fire across the globe. lightworkers time to push this comet away from planet earth together we can change the future....believe or don't just meditate or pray in your own way what works for you push this thing away from earth- time to show our power is now.....

You are onto someting ghost... very close to another False Flag being prepared... here's how it could go as it has been being prepared over the last few years, here's how it's been run:


*_Various experiment in crowd reactions over pandemics: SAAR, West Nile Virus, H5N1, H1N1

*_Pandemic declaration over H1N1

*_Vaccines scam

*_Food nutrients brought down to zero while getting rid of food supplements, vitamins, CS, MMS, etc...

*_"Poisonning of the wells" through fluoridation and fracking

*_ NASA and various organisations "discovering" that viruses, bacteria and other nasty organisms survive for millions of years in space inside asteroids, meteors, COMETs, etc... and even survive a firy crash on Earth!

*_Elenin hype and accompanying doom and gloom, i.e. lowering of imune system efficiency.

*_Elenin's tail blamed for bringing in new kinds of lethal super bugs while:

*_Biological WMDs released world wide courtesy of those accusing the vast majority of the planet's population of being "useles eaters!"

Neat, eh?

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The other thing that got my brain squeaking: at some point in the video, he mentions the Earth entering Elenin's tail when Elenin is already beyond Earth's orbit and above it... that's not possible!

I think you're right on that one ...
However there might another problem with the comet's tail. Since the tail is pointing away from the sun
the problems may appear much earlier when Elenin is more or less between earth and the sun.

Additionally I don't know exactly what happens with remnants of the tail. They are blown away with a
start velocity and will probably keep moving with that speed. There may be other influences however
like solar wind blowing them ever faster and faster ... but on the other hand things like earth gravity
might pull them back in especially when earth is exactly between the sun and Elenin.

There are lots of comets all the time and they often don't pose a threat to earth. The extraordinary
case here could be the fact that Elenin's movement is exactly in the plane of our Solar system's
planetary orbits.

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The other thing that got my brain squeaking: at some point in the video, he mentions the Earth entering Elenin's tail when Elenin is already beyond Earth's orbit and above it... that's not possible!

I think you're right on that one ...
However there might another problem with the comet's tail. Since the tail is pointing away from the sun
the problems may appear much earlier when Elenin is more or less between earth and the sun.

Correct: If any problem with the tail, it would be when the comet is slightly past in between Sun and Earth (around Sept. 27-Oct. 1). However, the tail would be blown "above" Earth from inside Venus' orbit.

From that date, the dust "anti-tail" will be blown higher and higher "above" Earth.

So, unless some gravity twist occurs as you mentioned, it doesn't seem that Elenin's tail will ever whip into Earth's atmosphere.

[Operator]

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Comet tail

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Diagram of a comet showing the dust trail, the dust tail (or antitail) and the gas tail. NASA

Hi Amzer,

Thanks for the material and insight ... I am learning here !
I was a little confused by the picture from Wikipedia so I looked it up and read the article.

I was intrigued by the question what could 'split' the tail into Gas and Dust.
But the picture itself is somewhat confusing. I understand the part where the Gas tail is pointing away from the sun.
The article by the way also mentions that the Gas tail could "follow magnetic field lines". Is this an indication the Gas tail could be attracted towards earth ?

The main question I have however is that it says: "The tail of dust is left behind in the comet's orbit".
The picture has a white line, an arrow suggesting direction, and says "Dust trail".
Why would in this picture the Dust tail be in a different direction than the Dust trail ?

At first (without looking with focus) I thought the white line to be e.g. earth's orbit, since most comets move almost perpendicular to our
solar system's plane. The picture would then 'fit' better.
The gas tail would still (always) point away from the sun and the Dust tail would be equal to Dust Trail i.e. perpendicular to earth's orbit.

I hope I made my question clear. Any thoughts on that ?

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)
Hi Amzer,

Thanks for the material and insight ... I am learning here !
I was a little confused by the picture from Wikipedia so I looked it up and read the article.

I was intrigued by the question what could 'split' the tail into Gas and Dust.
But the picture itself is somewhat confusing. I understand the part where the Gas tail is pointing away from the sun.
The article by the way also mentions that the Gas tail could "follow magnetic field lines". Is this an indication the Gas tail could be attracted towards earth ?

The main question I have however is that it says: "The tail of dust is left behind in the comet's orbit".
The picture has a white line, an arrow suggesting direction, and says "Dust trail".
Why would in this picture the Dust tail be in a different direction than the Dust trail ?

At first (without looking with focus) I thought the white line to be e.g. earth's orbit, since most comets move almost perpendicular to our
solar system's plane. The picture would then 'fit' better.
The gas tail would still (always) point away from the sun and the Dust tail would be equal to Dust Trail i.e. perpendicular to earth's orbit.

I hope I made my question clear. Any thoughts on that ?

Sorry, answer is in the whole article re: magnetic field lines:

Comet tail

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Diagram of a comet showing the dust trail, the dust tail (or antitail) and the gas tail. NASA



Comet Holmes (17P/Holmes) in 2007 showing blue ion tail on right


A comet tail and coma are illuminated by the Sun and may become visible from Earth when a comet passes through the inner Solar System, the dust reflecting sunlight directly and the gases glowing from ionisation. Most comets are too faint to be visible without the aid of a telescope, but a few each decade become bright enough to be visible to the naked eye.

The streams of dust and gas each form their own distinct tail, pointing in slightly different directions. The tail of dust is left behind in the comet's orbit in such a manner that it often forms a curved tail called the antitail. At the same time, the ion tail, made of gases, always points directly away from the Sun, as this gas is more strongly affected by the solar wind than is dust, following magnetic field lines rather than an orbital trajectory. Parallax viewing from the Earth may sometimes mean the tails appear to point in opposite directions.[1]

While the solid nucleus of comets is generally less than 50 km across, the coma may be larger than the Sun, and ion tails have been observed to extend 3.8 astronomical units (570 million km).[2] The observation of antitails contributed significantly to the discovery of solar wind.[3] The ion tail is the result of ultraviolet radiation blowing electrons off particles in the coma. Once the particles have been ionised, they form a plasma which in turn induces a magnetosphere around the comet. The comet and its induced magnetic field form an obstacle to outward flowing solar wind particles. The comet is supersonic relative to the solar wind, so a bow shock is formed upstream of the comet (i.e., facing the sun), in the flow direction of the solar wind. In this bow shock, large concentrations of cometary ions (called "pick-up ions") congregate and act to "load" the solar magnetic field with plasma. The field lines "drape" around the comet forming the ion tail.[4] (This is similar to the formation of planetary magnetospheres.)

Hence, Earth and comet magnetospheres could interact if close enough to overcome their originating solar wind.



Clicking on the diagrammatic picture leads you to this description:

This is an artist's concept of a comet dust trail and dust tail. The trail can only be seen in the light of radiated heat. The dust trail is made of particles that are the size of sand grains and pebbles. They are large enough that they are not affected much by the Sun's light and solar wind. The dust tail, on the other hand, is made of grains the size of cigarette-smoke particles. These grains are blown out of the dust coma near the comet nucleus by the Sun's light.

Hope this clarifies your query, as the dust trail would follow the orbital path of the comet (white line in the picture).

Earth doesn't seem to attract much dust from the Moon... and this comet tail or trail will be much further away than the Moon.

[TargeT]

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Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Comet tail

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Diagram of a comet showing the dust trail, the dust tail (or antitail) and the gas tail. NASA

Hi Amzer,

Thanks for the material and insight ... I am learning here !
I was a little confused by the picture from Wikipedia so I looked it up and read the article.

I was intrigued by the question what could 'split' the tail into Gas and Dust.
But the picture itself is somewhat confusing. I understand the part where the Gas tail is pointing away from the sun.
The article by the way also mentions that the Gas tail could "follow magnetic field lines". Is this an indication the Gas tail could be attracted towards earth ?

The main question I have however is that it says: "The tail of dust is left behind in the comet's orbit".
The picture has a white line, an arrow suggesting direction, and says "Dust trail".
Why would in this picture the Dust tail be in a different direction than the Dust trail ?

At first (without looking with focus) I thought the white line to be e.g. earth's orbit, since most comets move almost perpendicular to our
solar system's plane. The picture would then 'fit' better.
The gas tail would still (always) point away from the sun and the Dust tail would be equal to Dust Trail i.e. perpendicular to earth's orbit.

I hope I made my question clear. Any thoughts on that ?

Becarefull what you are learning,, commet tails are NOT DUST! they are an electromagnetic reaction.. we will be bathed in PLASMA from the comet, not dust.. since our planet, the WHOLE UNIVERSE (multi-verse?) is electromagnetic.. yes, this WILL have huge implications.

and it IS happening this fall (28 october is the end of the mayan long count, when will we pass through the "tail.". anyone... anyone?)

think electromagnetic, remember that magnetic fields can be multipled.. ENDLESSLY all it takes is the right.. shall we say, alignment * catalyst?

what's been happening with elenin when it lines up in certain ways...

still need more hints?

[ghostrider]

it's all relevant to elenin's position to the sun and earth in mid sep- oct. no one really knows the affects, but just in case the government has built underground cities and NASA has sent out prepare for disaster vids to it's on and off planet employees. The CIA and NSA headquarters have moved to high in the mountains in the west. real or not, man made or cosmic, things will be interesting none the less. I hope the deep impact spacecraft is gonna go out and blast whatever threatens us, then let the NWO and the PTB work their evil plan , we can handle them, but a giant rock glowing and towing debris of who knows what thats another thing. good luck to us all . peace

[Taurean]

Carpe Diem

[TargeT]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
no one really knows the affects,

Starting to look like massive "strong force" amplification via the placement of the E-class "astroid" or "comet" and the sun....

think electromagnetics.. (and "gravomagnetism)

[Hervé]

Posted by TargeT (here)
[...]
what's been happening with elenin when it lines up in certain ways...

still need more hints?

What ways?

Sorry TargeT but I am growing tired with hints and no data.

So far, I am about the only one on this thread to have offered some data (post # 974):

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Carolin (here)
There is a window of 3 days before the alignment and 3 days after. I would have to say Alexander Retrov called it!!! A 7.5 (I saw somewhere else it was a 7.8), 7.4 & a 7.0 and a crap load of 5's. This should be a warning for us to get it together......there will be no other warnings before the September 26th alignment.

Eat what you want, say what you feel and live life to the fullest!!

May be yes, maybe not... he didn't call the kermadec 7.6 on July 7, 2011... nobody did but I... it scared the **** out of me that I did:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]I have a 100% strong doubt about this guy's "sources" to be of anything based on facts.

Here is why:

* the object is named Nibiru whereas Nibiru doesn't exist and is only a figment of Sitchin's imagination( see Post # 650 as well as this one Post # 44 in another thread)

* Elenin has a 1 million years orbital period, there about, and therefore cannot be blamed for the catastrophes of the past millenia

*How can a planet be at right angles [sic] to the Sun? Seems like another case of fitting the data to the theory.

* Elenin seems to have been assigned the role of the flying drunk, box-cutters holders of 9-11 infame as it seems to validate the Solar Capacitor/Electric Universe theories of which I gave an example in post # 751:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
If geometry has anything to do with Elenin short-circuiting the Solar capacitor in accordance with McCanney and John H. Nelson then the following dates might prove of some interest:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]
ETA:

Looking at that JPL Elenin orbit, it seems there's an alignment Saturn-Elenin-Mercury-Sun-Jupiter square Earth around July 6-9... good days for healers and lightworkers to practice... [7.6 Kermadec, July 7, 2011]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In that same vein, just eye-balling for a rough estimate, here are other "alignments" I noticed:

Aug. 13-17: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin

Sept. 27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Mars-Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

The thing to remember is that J.H. Nelson worked with heliocentric coordinates.

Refer to: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/22...are-heatin-up-

Now revised (v. 0.2):

Aug. 17-20: Venus-Sun-Mercury-Earth square Elenin-(Sun)-(+/-Mars)

Sept. 25-27 : Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Uranus square Mars

Oct. 2-6 : Saturn-Venus-Mercury-Sun-Elenin-Earth-Jupiter square Mars-(Sun)-Pluto

Nov. 8 : Venus-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Sun-Neptune

Nov. 30 - Dec. 2 : Sun-Mercury-Earth-Elenin square Venus

Dec.14-__: Mars-Mercury-Sun square Jupiter

Jan 1 - __: Saturn-Mercury-Sun square Earth

Feb. 11-17: Sun-Venus-Elenin square Mars-Earth-(Sun)-Mercury-Neptune

Oct. 12 - __: Mars-Mercury-Sun-Venus-Elenin square Uranus

I have a v. 0.3 somewhere around as well.

If you check this post (post # 20 in "The Horror of Fukushima) you may be able to realize there is a wide discrepancy between the recorded magnitude of the earth quake on Japanese seismometers (6.67) and the magnitude published by the MSM (9.0) as well as a location discrepancy. My take is that something was enhanced to justify the reality of a huge tsunami which is responsible for the vast majority of the damages, not the "colossal" earthquake itself.

Now, since puny comet Elenin hasn't fried Stereo Behind to charred smithereens when passing close by to it; it would at least indicate that if any capacitor was involved, that particular one got discharged a while ago and is now flat. In other words, you can now put your hands in the circuitry without getting zapped.

Seems like grounding should be the order of the day.

Sorry to say that the solar capacitor is not yet flat.

Otherwise, it has nothing to do with Elenin (box-cutter patsy) but only with Mercury getting at hard angles with outer planets (Mars).

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[TargeT]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by TargeT (here)
[...]
what's been happening with elenin when it lines up in certain ways...

still need more hints?

What ways?

Sorry TargeT but I am growing tired with hints and no data.

So far, I am about the only one on this thread to have offered some data (post # 974):

You have an interesting way of asking for more information.(My signature line should give you a hint as to why I was attempting to prompt personal research, but I'll just start typing some stuff. see if that modivates)



how do I drop hints when the over all concept is not understood, why do you think those alignments mean something?

do you understand how magnetism (gravity) can be amplified? we understand magnetism quite well, amplification is used by placing a conductive metal in specific alignment with the magnetic(gravitational) fields. (electromagnets are an example).

Now, understand that gravity functions much like magnetism, and Elenin is an E-Class asteroid (very important)... & it has been dipping in and out of alignments that mean a LOT more when you think of them in a gravity field (think magnetic again) alignment sense...

This realization came to me in many ways, first reading about the very likely fact that the sun is electric, that is PLASMA we see on the surface & the corona makes this an undeniable fact (corona's only exists in the electromagnetic world, not nuclear fusion or whatever other BS we've been sold about what the "sun is", we can get into surface temps vrs corona temps as well, more proof...)

NOW, with the (somewhat) recent mathematical proof of Planks Constant (very important to quantum physics) we see that quantum physics is EXACTLY like classical physics!!!!!!! this is huge! no more "mystery" no more "questions" the double slot experiment now makes sense & is no longer (as Einstein labeled it) "spooky".

I have done nothing here but tie together information that I've found on the internet, and I highly doubt I'm the only one with this line of thinking.

now does that help? I cannot give you "data" as "you have" but I think this information is quite useful.

[Hervé]

Posted by TargeT (here)
You have an interesting way of asking for more information.

Nothing to do with the price of fish. Anyhting unsubstantiated cannot make it out of the urban legend category, like so many "ideas" and "theories" put forth in this thread.

.(My signature line should give you a hint as to why I was attempting to prompt personal research, but I'll just start typing some stuff. see if that modivates)

I am definitely for personal research and understanding. However, there comes a point where sharing observations, empirical data and results becomes necessary so as not to waste people's time; or else we would still be trying to demonstrate to the "knowledgeable ones" the Earth may not be flat, one by one... a few billion times, over and over.

As for the rest, STEREO-B didn't fry out. That has to be taken into account and shows there is something out with the importance given to Elenin. That is, it's being used as a decoy for something else; which is something I am more and more inclined to consider.

[TargeT]

so you ask me to expand, I give you the answer and you start talking about sterio B?

hey what IS the price of fish btw? that seems about as related...

[Carolin]

Okay I am officially freaked out.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=k0VTktZBi9A

[ghostrider]

They found Nibiru in 2007 google sky, ever notice you can look at google earth in 2011, but switch to google sky and it's always in 2007 ?

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
So far, I am about the only one on this thread to have offered some data

so you noticed at last. perhaps you should open an "official elenin data" thread.

[Hervé]

Interesting corollary admission...