Planet X/Nibiru/Tyche/Hercolobus/Elenin

[dddanieljjjamesss]

donny gillson is a disinfonaut and a little scrutiny will tell you that much

you think there is an object, but do you really have the frame of reference to prove what you are seeing?

No, you have inconclusive data from a webcam on the south pole. Many of the 'shadows' and 'light phenomena' have been, and are easy to debunk.


THAT BEING SAID

I still believe the events we are experiencing are based on something 'outside' our cosmic frame of reference.

Yet the disinfo being pumped out is silly.

This is a time of celebration!

[Calz]

nearing:

I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyched cannot handle it, so they won't.

Well there is always the story about the natives in america who initially could not see the spanish ships in the ocean because it was outside their reality paradym.

And how many times do we hear about craft using "screening techniques/technology" to make most people see a regular airplane rather than what is "really" there?

[Chuck]

Just a thought to consider regarding the Blue Kachina…

I think Paul LaViolette is onto something. As many of you know, he describes a periodical galactic super wave that bombards our solar system with intense cosmic waves originating from the center of the galaxy.
http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html

David Wilcock discusses this a lot in regards to our DNA being upgraded by such an event.

I think we may have entered the “head waters” of such an event.

Last year NASA has published a series of interesting articles leaking this information out. For example, the following describes a ribbon of neutral particles of cosmic radiation that was observed just outside our solar system. The heliosphere currently is protecting us from cosmic radiation, but whose to say whether or not a large flux of particles could over take this cocoon anytime in the future?
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...0/15jan_ibex2/

Also here is an article describing the enormous burst of cosmic gamma radiation from the galactic center in the shape of a dumbbell.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GL...structure.html

NASA is spending billions of dollars to try and understand what affect this has on life.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news.../22oct_ooreos/

The interstellar cloud reported in the first article is “chock-full of carbon-containing compounds.” … perhaps ready to mutate with our DNA to create Homo Sapien Sapien 2.0

As I mentioned we are currently protected by the heliosphere from cosmic radiation. But nothing stays constant. Our sun has experienced 5 years of relatively low output. If there is a brown dwarf out there, perhaps its proximity could destructively interfere with the magnetic cocoon of the heliosphere, nulling it and thereby allowing more cosmic radiation into our solar system. Or… we are about to experience a tidal wave of cosmic energy, one that nothing will keep it at bay.

Perhaps… just perhaps… as more of this electromagnetic energy from the center of our galaxy is swept through our solar system we might see it begin to glow… blue! Watch for it in the constellation of Sagittarius.

[Lord Sidious]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
nearing:

I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyched cannot handle it, so they won't.

Well there is always the story about the natives in america who initially could not see the spanish ships in the ocean because it was outside their reality paradym.

And how many times do we hear about craft using "screening techniques/technology" to make most people see a regular airplane rather than what is "really" there?

I class that belief as bs.
The aborigines here saw the ships the british were in as did the hawaiins.

[Calz]

Chuck:

I think Paul LaViolette is onto something. As many of you know, he describes a periodical galactic super wave that bombards our solar system with intense cosmic waves originating from the center of the galaxy.

I was researching Paul LaViolette's material recently. Rather text intensive so I will only put up the link this time:

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
nearing:

I have feeling that many would deny anything out of the ordinary is happening even as the Dwarf Star comes between us and the Sun. Their psyched cannot handle it, so they won't.

Well there is always the story about the natives in america who initially could not see the spanish ships in the ocean because it was outside their reality paradym.

And how many times do we hear about craft using "screening techniques/technology" to make most people see a regular airplane rather than what is "really" there?

I class that belief as bs.
The aborigines here saw the ships the british were in as did the hawaiins.

Could well be quite correct m'lord ... as you often are

[PurpleLama]

Ever since I was a kid, I have always maintained that if I was an ET and I had a UFO and I wanted to fly around the earth undetected I would just put some blinking lights on my ship. Noone would ever be the wiser.

[the_flyingboy]

this is what i got from NASA and i have no idea about the numbers,if someone can read this thing please enlighten us..


Object Data Page

JPL/HORIZONS Elenin (C/2010 X1) 2011-Jul-31 22:49:28
Rec #:903811 (+COV) Soln.date: 2011-Jul-29_12:50:18 # obs: 2203 (2010-2011)

FK5/J2000.0 helio. ecliptic osc. elements (AU, DAYS, DEG, period=Julian yrs):

EPOCH= 2455649.5 != 2011-Mar-29.0000000 (CT) Residual RMS= .63204
EC= 1.000062959364038 QR= .48242824819319 TP= 2455815.219308395
OM= 323.2353953789915 W= 343.7976174338694 IN= 1.839547814025426
A= -7662.533692399563 MA= 359.999756489 ADIST= 9.999999E99
PER= 9.999999E99 N= 1.469E-6 ANGMOM= .01689739
DAN= .4922 DDN= 24.33053 L= 307.0409251
B= -.5132096 TP= 2011-Sep-10.7193084

Physical & non-grav parameters (KM, SEC; A1,A2,A3=AU/d^2; DT=days):
GM= n.a. RAD= n.a. A1= n.a.
A2= n.a. A3= n.a. DT= n.a.
M1= 10.4 M2= 13.7 k1= 11.
k2= 5. PHCOF= .030

COMET comments
1: soln ref.= JPL#32, data arc: 2010-Dec-10 to 2011-Jul-07
2: k1=11., k2=5., phase coef.=0.03;

Results

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Ephemeris / WWW_USER Sun Jul 31 22:49:30 2011 Pasadena, USA / Horizons
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Target body name: Elenin (C/2010 X1) {source: JPL#32}
Center body name: Earth (399) {source: DE405}
Center-site name: GEOCENTRIC
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Start time : A.D. 2011-Aug-01 00:00:00.0000 UT
Stop time : A.D. 2011-Aug-31 00:00:00.0000 UT
Step-size : 1440 minutes
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Target pole/equ : No model available
Target radii : (unavailable)
Center geodetic : 0.00000000,0.00000000,0.0000000 {E-lon(deg),Lat(deg),Alt(km)}
Center cylindric: 0.00000000,0.00000000,0.0000000 {E-lon(deg),Dxy(km),Dz(km)}
Center pole/equ : High-precision EOP model {East-longitude +}
Center radii : 6378.1 x 6378.1 x 6356.8 km {Equator, meridian, pole}
Target primary : Sun {source: DE405}
Interfering body: MOON (Req= 1737.400) km {source: DE405}
Deflecting body : Sun, EARTH {source: DE405}
Deflecting GMs : 1.3271E+11, 3.9860E+05 km^3/s^2
Small perturbers: Ceres, Pallas, Vesta {source: SB405-CPV-2}
Small body GMs : 6.32E+01, 1.43E+01, 1.78E+01 km^3/s^2
Atmos refraction: NO (AIRLESS)
RA format : HMS
Time format : CAL
EOP file : eop.110729.p111020
EOP coverage : DATA-BASED 1962-JAN-20 TO 2011-JUL-29. PREDICTS-> 2011-OCT-19
Units conversion: 1 AU= 149597870.691 km, c= 299792.458 km/s, 1 day= 86400.0 s
Table cut-offs 1: Elevation (-90.0deg=NO ),Airmass (>38.000=NO), Daylight (NO )
Table cut-offs 2: Solar Elongation ( 0.0,180.0=NO )
*******************************************************************************
Initial FK5/J2000.0 heliocentric ecliptic osculating elements (AU, DAYS, DEG):
EPOCH= 2455649.5 != 2011-Mar-29.0000000 (CT) Residual RMS= .63204
EC= 1.000062959364038 QR= .48242824819319 TP= 2455815.219308395
OM= 323.2353953789915 W= 343.7976174338694 IN= 1.839547814025426
Comet physical & dynamic parameters (KM, SEC; A1,A2,A3=AU/d^2; DT=days):
GM= n.a. RAD= n.a. A1= n.a.
A2= n.a. A3= n.a. DT= n.a.
M1= 10.4 M2= 13.7 k1= 11.
k2= 5. PHCOF= .030
**************************************************************************************************** **********
Date__(UT)__HR:MN R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC T-mag N-mag delta deldot S-O-T /r S-T-O
**************************************************************************************************** **********
$$SOE
2011-Aug-01 00:00 11 25 48.94 +02 24 00.9 11.46 15.93 1.51297321605523 -21.5695541 42.9448 /T 41.9310
2011-Aug-02 00:00 11 27 38.61 +02 12 30.6 11.36 15.89 1.50036009929817 -22.1038345 42.4834 /T 42.3555
2011-Aug-03 00:00 11 29 30.15 +02 00 47.8 11.26 15.85 1.48743607204932 -22.6460197 42.0303 /T 42.8036
2011-Aug-04 00:00 11 31 23.57 +01 48 52.6 11.16 15.80 1.47419654573401 -23.1961847 41.5856 /T 43.2771
2011-Aug-05 00:00 11 33 18.87 +01 36 45.0 11.05 15.76 1.46063688418370 -23.7544227 41.1493 /T 43.7777
2011-Aug-06 00:00 11 35 16.06 +01 24 25.0 10.94 15.71 1.44675238775728 -24.3208624 40.7215 /T 44.3074
2011-Aug-07 00:00 11 37 15.15 +01 11 52.9 10.83 15.67 1.43253826940427 -24.8956784 40.3021 /T 44.8685
2011-Aug-08 00:00 11 39 16.12 +00 59 08.6 10.72 15.62 1.41798962761648 -25.4790917 39.8912 /T 45.4631
2011-Aug-09 00:00 11 41 19.00 +00 46 12.3 10.60 15.58 1.40310142058806 -26.0713655 39.4886 /T 46.0937
2011-Aug-10 00:00 11 43 23.76 +00 33 04.2 10.49 15.53 1.38786844460959 -26.6727952 39.0943 /T 46.7630
2011-Aug-11 00:00 11 45 30.40 +00 19 44.6 10.37 15.48 1.37228531866635 -27.2836967 38.7082 /T 47.4737
2011-Aug-12 00:00 11 47 38.91 +00 06 13.7 10.24 15.44 1.35634647679023 -27.9043916 38.3303 /T 48.2291
2011-Aug-13 00:00 11 49 49.26 -00 07 28.1 10.12 15.39 1.34004616971509 -28.5351894 37.9603 /T 49.0323
2011-Aug-14 00:00 11 52 01.43 -00 21 20.3 9.99 15.34 1.32337847760007 -29.1763671 37.5980 /T 49.8868
2011-Aug-15 00:00 11 54 15.38 -00 35 22.6 9.86 15.30 1.30633733566113 -29.8281451 37.2433 /T 50.7966
2011-Aug-16 00:00 11 56 31.05 -00 49 34.2 9.73 15.25 1.28891657454443 -30.4906601 36.8959 /T 51.7656
2011-Aug-17 00:00 11 58 48.38 -01 03 54.4 9.59 15.20 1.27110997719047 -31.1639350 36.5553 /T 52.7983
2011-Aug-18 00:00 12 01 07.30 -01 18 22.3 9.45 15.15 1.25291135404568 -31.8478454 36.2211 /T 53.8993
2011-Aug-19 00:00 12 03 27.71 -01 32 56.9 9.31 15.11 1.23431463882139 -32.5420820 35.8929 /T 55.0737
2011-Aug-20 00:00 12 05 49.47 -01 47 37.0 9.17 15.06 1.21531400763453 -33.2461069 35.5700 /T 56.3266
2011-Aug-21 00:00 12 08 12.45 -02 02 21.1 9.02 15.02 1.19590402520795 -33.9591034 35.2516 /T 57.6639
2011-Aug-22 00:00 12 10 36.47 -02 17 07.6 8.88 14.97 1.17607982272723 -34.6799164 34.9368 /T 59.0914
2011-Aug-23 00:00 12 13 01.31 -02 31 54.5 8.73 14.93 1.15583731288300 -35.4069827 34.6247 /T 60.6153
2011-Aug-24 00:00 12 15 26.73 -02 46 39.7 8.57 14.89 1.13517344847058 -36.1382500 34.3140 /T 62.2422
2011-Aug-25 00:00 12 17 52.43 -03 01 20.6 8.42 14.85 1.11408653156438 -36.8710830 34.0033 /T 63.9787
2011-Aug-26 00:00 12 20 18.06 -03 15 54.2 8.27 14.81 1.09257658051111 -37.6021571 33.6908 /T 65.8315
2011-Aug-27 00:00 12 22 43.21 -03 30 17.2 8.11 14.77 1.07064576127503 -38.3273423 33.3747 /T 67.8075
2011-Aug-28 00:00 12 25 07.42 -03 44 25.8 7.96 14.74 1.04829888715388 -39.0415848 33.0528 /T 69.9134
2011-Aug-29 00:00 12 27 30.13 -03 58 15.5 7.80 14.71 1.02554398548584 -39.7387959 32.7224 /T 72.1556
2011-Aug-30 00:00 12 29 50.73 -04 11 41.7 7.64 14.69 1.00239292112059 -40.4117697 32.3808 /T 74.5398
2011-Aug-31 00:00 12 32 08.52 -04 24 38.8 7.49 14.66 0.97886205503276 -41.0521475 32.0247 /T 77.0714
$$EOE
**************************************************************************************************** **********
Column meaning:

TIME

Prior to 1962, times are UT1. Dates thereafter are UTC. Any 'b' symbol in
the 1st-column denotes a B.C. date. First-column blank (" ") denotes an A.D.
date. Calendar dates prior to 1582-Oct-15 are in the Julian calendar system.
Later calendar dates are in the Gregorian system.

The uniform Coordinate Time scale is used internally. Conversion between
CT and the selected non-uniform UT output scale has not been determined for
UTC times after the next July or January 1st. The last known leap-second
is used over any future interval.

NOTE: "n.a." in output means quantity "not available" at the print-time.

R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC =
J2000.0 astrometric right ascension and declination of target center.
Corrected for light-time. Units: HMS (HH MM SS.ff) and DMS (DD MM SS.f)

T-mag N-mag =
Comet's approximate apparent visual total magnitude ("T-mag") and nuclear
magnitude ("N-mag") by following definitions:
T-mag = M1 + 5*log10(delta) + k1*log10(r)
N-mag = M2 + 5*log10(delta) + k2*log10(r) + phcof*beta
Units: none

delta deldot =
Range ("delta") and range-rate ("delta-dot") of target center with respect
to the observer at the instant light seen by the observer at print-time would
have left the target center (print-time minus down-leg light-time); the
distance traveled by a light ray emanating from the center of the target and
recorded by the observer at print-time. "deldot" is a projection of the
velocity vector along this ray, the light-time-corrected line-of-sight from the
coordinate center, and indicates relative motion. A positive "deldot" means the
target center is moving away from the observer (coordinate center). A negative
"deldot" means the target center is moving toward the observer.
Units: AU and KM/S

S-O-T /r =
Sun-Observer-Target angle; target's apparent solar elongation seen from
observer location at print-time. If negative, the target center is behind
the Sun. Angular units: DEGREES.

The '/r' column is a Sun-relative code, output for observing sites
with defined rotation models only.

/T indicates target trails Sun (evening sky)
/L indicates target leads Sun (morning sky)

NOTE: The S-O-T solar elongation angle is the total separation in any
direction. It does not indicate the angle of Sun leading or trailing.

S-T-O =
Sun-Target-Observer (~ PHASE ANGLE) angle: the vertex angle at target center
formed by a vector to the apparent center of the Sun and a vector intersecting
the observer at print-time. This measurable angle is within 20 arcseconds
(0.006 deg) of the reduced PHASE ANGLE at observer's location at print time.
The difference is due to down-leg stellar aberration affecting measured target
position but not apparent solar illumination direction. When computing phase,
Horizons uses the true phase angle, not S-T-O, but the resulting difference
in illuminated fraction is less than 0.001%.
Units: DEGREES



Computations by ...
Solar System Dynamics Group, Horizons On-Line Ephemeris System
4800 Oak Grove Drive, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Information: http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/
Connect : telnet://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov:6775 (via browser)
telnet ssd.jpl.nasa.gov 6775 (via command-line)
Author : Jon.Giorgini@jpl.nasa.gov

[Calz]

Posted by Chuck (here)

I think Paul LaViolette is onto something. As many of you know, he describes a periodical galactic super wave that bombards our solar system with intense cosmic waves originating from the center of the galaxy.
http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html

More on Paul LaViolette for those interested here in a massive 135 page PA1 thread initiated by Pane Andov (Astral Walker). In "part 3 and 4" of his large OP he discussed Paul's work.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ght=nexus+2012

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by The One (here)
Why hasn't the media said anything about it? They have always made a big splash in the past about found comets. Is it because it is going to be coming a little too close for comfort and they don't want people freaking out.

I merged this new "Alert comet elenin is a lie it is planet x we are being lied too " thread into the existing, long standing, and long , thread on Elenin/Planet X/Nibiru/whatever.

[steveofengland]

Interesting keywords in that data there, interfering body? CAn anyone translate this?

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
First, I was pointing out that the 1 million years period of Elenin couldn't be a theory simply because it is derived from empirical data, i.e. observation. Hence it cannot be an "Of course it's a theory."

ok you win. apparently it has been observed for the last one million years. i didn't know that.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
As for the Hopi prophecies, if I am not mistaken, the Elders themselves uttered something to the effect that the outcome could change or not happen as envisionned.

yes but obviously it is happening.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
If you go back to Post #650, the said space object cannot be a planet. So, no "Planet X." The only hypothesis about that object which still hold some water is the Brown Dwarf, binary companion to our Sun. That Brown Dwarf and our Sun have a period of 24,000 years in dancing around each other. Therefore that Blue Kachina needs to have a similar period in order to be a harbinger of the Brown Dwarf.

i merely called it planet x because that's the name it was given back in the 80s when the first stories about it appeared in the newspapers and it's the name the zetas use. i could call it nibiru if you prefer that or wormwood or the destroyer. it doesn't matter, it's just a name.

i stand by my kachina theory. in 2-3 months we'll know who was right.

[Calz]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)
i could call it nibiru if you prefer that or wormwood or the destroyer. it doesn't matter, it's just a name.

Yep. If we were to accept Sitchin's (possibly channeled) story then our Anunnaki friends would be on Nibiru, which as logic would follow, would be one of the bodies orbiting the brown dwarf named Wormwood.

Planet x is a nice safe generic name sure to rile up almost everyone with all the disinfo and debunking abuse it has suffered.

And now for "news that matters."

Anyone come up with 2nd source confirmations regarding the 90% tilt in Saturn???

That would be a real show stopper and take away the necessity of waiting for a couple months.

[The Truth Is In There]

Posted by Chuck (here)
I suspect that I live in the same universe as you, as a result, I would add that most likely… everything is Energy AND Consciousness.

ok, i believe that even consciousness is energy. i can't prove it and neither can you although i have read somewhere that the soul has a mass, 23g or so, which implies that it is made of energy.

Posted by Chuck (here)
Having said that, it says nothing about the forces that make up the universe. I would hope that in your universe, matter exists.

sorry to disappoint you but it doesn't. in my universe quantum physics has proven that matter doesn't exist. indian yogis even call the world "maya" which i understand means "illusion". so nope, sorry, matter doesn't really exist over here.

Posted by Chuck (here)
The strong and weak forces are necessary for your physical body to exist. These have nothing to do with electromagnetic forces. Electromagnetism is not what holds the particles together in the nucleus of the atom. It does not account for everything.

now you have lost me...completely.

Posted by Chuck (here)

electromagnetism can easily explain why for example pressure is higher in certain places than in others because of the conduictivity of the different material.

Sorry you lost me on that one. Perhaps you can easily explain it to me.

what i meant to say was that the size and strength of the magnetic field around a certain object depends on the amount of electric energy either within or flowing through the object. and the material it is made of is basically energy, different amounts of protons and electrons in different kinds of atoms and so on. not easy to describe since english is not my first language but i hope you take my meaning.

Posted by Chuck (here)
Niburu may very well exist and may very well be on it’s way here. But it will never, ever have the same trajectory as Elenin if it’s mass is as large as what people are suggesting. It can only have the same trajectory if it’s mass is the same as Elenin’s.

it doesn't have EXACTLY the same trajectory since elenin comes from below the ecliptic. besides, i'd rather say elenin has about the same trajectory as nibiru and not vice versa because i believe that elenin is for nibiru basically what pluto is for our sun, it's spinning around nibiru near the outer edge of nibiru's magnetic field.

[goldmother]

WHAT IF...MAYBE .....

Some say that we create are own reality, and that what we think, dwell on, obsess about, gets thrown out into the universe and is acted on in some way as part of Universal Law and also informs the Universe (Creator,Higher Beings whatever term you wish to use ) how Evolved we are, what stage we are at in the Evolvement process.

Now lets say that Fear and Love have a unique frequency, Love is a Higher Vibration and when there is enough of this emotion being projected into the universe it has the capacity to Evolve a planet and its inhabitants in a very positive way. Fear on the other hand is a negative and heavy Vibration and has the opposite effect

This is something the Negative powers that Be know all to well and are masters at controlling, knowing this as many of us do, could this be a very clever play by these same people aimed at controlling on mass our vibrations at this crucial time 2012 when it seems to me there has been no other time as important as this and that what we are emitting out to the universe at this time is everything is it not.

This fear vibration IMO is targeted at the very people who have a very big impact on the vibrations on this planet, who are awake and aware and also know how the universe works, yes US as this fear is on most websites like this one

My point being what are we choosing...... FEAR OR LOVE

[steveofengland]

As my mind has not been opened fully yet I still find the spiritual side of this hard to grasp, maybe as I become more awake it will come. but wise words and thoughts from the few will surely not rise above the negative ignorance of the many?

[greybeard]

Posted by steveofengland (here)
As my mind has not been opened fully yet I still find the spiritual side of this hard to grasp, maybe as I become more awake it will come. but wise words and thoughts from the few will surely not rise above the negative ignorance of the many?

Its a question of energy.
The spiritual power of one master compensates for the negative energy of millions.
Jesus only taught a few years but look at the power of his teaching--- still a positive force thousands of years on-- not talking religeon.
So whatever is coming as a massive electro magnetic band from the center of the galaxy may be the result of an intelligent force.
(as posted by Chuck)
That may affect us positively.
The conscious universe etc.

Slightly off topic.
Chris

[goldmother]

Posted by steveofengland (here)
As my mind has not been opened fully yet I still find the spiritual side of this hard to grasp, maybe as I become more awake it will come. but wise words and thoughts from the few will surely not rise above the negative ignorance of the many?

Look back in the past..... when all was thought to be lost you could hear one small voice, see one small light in the darkness, that is all it takes be the voice, be the light, more will follow, this vibration thing works both ways !!

Build it they will come !!! (sorry couldn't resist but you get my point )

[Hervé]

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
First, I was pointing out that the 1 million years period of Elenin couldn't be a theory simply because it is derived from empirical data, i.e. observation. Hence it cannot be an "Of course it's a theory."

ok you win. apparently it has been observed for the last one million years. i didn't know that.

I see... well, one versed in some good maths and physics only needs the coordinates, compute the speed from time of discovery up to now in order to construct the orbital path and its period; no need to be sarcastic.

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
As for the Hopi prophecies, if I am not mistaken, the Elders themselves uttered something to the effect that the outcome could change or not happen as envisionned.

yes but obviously it is happening.

I am sorry but what exactly is "obviously" happening beside a lot of GooTube hysteria and disinfo?

Posted by The Truth Is In There (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
If you go back to Post #650, the said space object cannot be a planet. So, no "Planet X." The only hypothesis about that object which still hold some water is the Brown Dwarf, binary companion to our Sun. That Brown Dwarf and our Sun have a period of 24,000 years in dancing around each other. Therefore that Blue Kachina needs to have a similar period in order to be a harbinger of the Brown Dwarf.

i merely called it planet x because that's the name it was given back in the 80s when the first stories about it appeared in the newspapers and it's the name the zetas use. i could call it nibiru if you prefer that or wormwood or the destroyer. it doesn't matter, it's just a name.


i stand by my kachina theory. in 2-3 months we'll know who was right.

"Planet X" was the first disinfo attached to that body from some insider guy, whether willfully or not because they had the data it was a very cold object with no, to little, perceptible motion ruling it out as either a comet or a planet. The piece of disinfo was to call it a planet enticing people to look for a planet that didn't exist. Blown to propaganda proportion by MSM "newspapers." Makes sense?

Now, about the Zetas, did you ever read what a former outspoken disseminator of their "predictions" and "data" ended up publishing about them? Here is the link for the record:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/plane...15jul;04.shtml

where you could find some info about Nancy Lieder being an unaware (benefit of the doubt) CIA mind controlled asset.

Nibiru is a hoax invented by Sitchin and/or his channeled entity, again see Post #650 as well as this one:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post257351

I understand now where you are coming from; but, then, why not call that cold object by its closest descriptive name? That is, a brown dwarf. So as to avoid the propaganda, disinfo and agendas attached to all these other names. As you may be aware of, calling it any names known in the MSM, you do further the purpose of the propaganda, disinfo and agenda attached to that name. Therefore, it isn't exactly just a "name."

Nothing against standing by your opinion...

Here is what the discoverer had to say about his discovery and what people ended making out of it. Here's from the horse's mouth:

The panic on the Internet began with a genuine snapshot, published by one of the Argentine astronomers, and few people bothered to pay attention to the date - April 1st. In the center - a comet with a symbol C 2010 X1 Elenin, and on each side, wrote the scientist, - something that looks very much like two alien spacecraft. They are on their way! - the Internet exploded and started to await the end of the world.

[...]

Leonid Elenin, researcher in the Institute of Applied Mathematics says: "I receive letters that ask me to present a passport."

Interviewer: "Where the letters are coming from?"

Leonid Elenin: "Well, most of them come from the U.S.. Right now, during the last week, I was 'buried' by letters from Russia. From U.S. also came: 'We don't believe you. Show your passport.' To which I replied: Why do I have to show you anything?"

[...]

Leonid Elenin: "These are actually stars. What happens is, that during a certain process of adding several frames in relation to the velocity of the comet, these stars stretch into tracks. In principle, any astronomer should know this."

[...]

Interviewer: "It is similar to a bright spot being smeared on the picture taken at night."

Leonid Elenin: "Yes, of course. And the discovery of a comet was my dream, a childhood dream. And it was accomplished. Of course, I was happy and so on. But now, all this is happening around my comet. There are, for example, the following letters: 'Leonid, tell us the truth. I am selling my house. And my family and I are heading for the mountains.' It's nothing but hysteria. More so, the comet is absolutely safe for the Earth. It will pass at a distance of 34 million kilometers from the planet."
[...]
Full article, click: here

That's for Elenin.

Now, the Brown Dwarf... that's another story because of its interaction with Our Sun which dictates what's occurring with the planets around it. Electromagnetism being the main engine.

That's my take for the moment; it might change without notice as new data are made available.

[Eric J (Viking)]

We'll know sooner or later>>> Just a footnote...ELENIN Extinction Level Event Nibiru Is Near ...hmmmm

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jBkuu-Tck6E

viking

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Viking Hi

The credibility of Hoagland has been brought into question.
The guy now thinks its a space ship. The same exact scaremongering tactic was promoted & used indirectly by NASA with Hale Bopp, resulting in a good number of folk committing Harry Carry.....



Isn't it just possible, that folk are being lead up the garden path?
If this is the case, then one could argue that they themselves are also guilty of promoting dis-information.

The question should now be asked. Are they now guilty of terrorism by unknowingly or knowingly helping to spread fear, panic, terror etc among the masses?