Reincarnation - alternative views

[manny]

do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

[Maria Stade]

I was 17 years old, and this day I was to make a self image with me sitting in the sun.
I hadnt been painting for some time so it was calling me again.
I painted rocks and sand and me sitting wit a blanket over my shoulders.
It was difficult the water colors didnt get right and the picture did get more and more wrong.

Disturbed I decided to go away from it for a while.

15 min. later I was back locking at my painting.

It was a Old native indian woman sitting in a red-yellow rocky landscape.

Then all the sudden I was an Old woman looking back on my life.

My children was all doing well and I had passed on all my knowledge to them.
They were already parents them self and did well.

My dear life partner was no longer in this world and I was longing to meet him again.
The love and passion and softness of this experience did stay with me !

I had never heard of reincarnation so this was just one of my many odd experiences.

I was never found of spiritual/religon stuff (they where in the same box to me ) so it took me about 20 years to understand what that was !

Thank You Sepia for all that you share ! And Bill and all other fantastic ones.

[ulli]

Posted by Maria Stade (here)
I was 17 years old, and this day I was to make a self image with me sitting in the sun.
I hadnt been painting for some time so it was calling me again.
I painted rocks and sand and me sitting wit a blanket over my shoulders.
It was difficult the water colors didnt get right and the picture did get more and more wrong.

Disturbed I decided to go away from it for a while.

15 min. later I was back locking at my painting.

It was a Old native indian woman sitting in a red-yellow rocky landscape.

Then all the sudden I was an Old woman looking back on my life.

My children was all doing well and I had passed on all my knowledge to them.
They were already parents them self and did well.

My dear life partner was no longer in this world and I was longing to meet him again.
The love and passion and softness of this experience did stay with me !

I had never heard of reincarnation so this was just one of my many odd experiences.

I was never found of spiritual/religon stuff (they where in the same box to me ) so it took me about 20 years to understand what that was !

Thank You Sepia for all that you share ! And Bill and all other fantastic ones.

What a lovely story.
and while I was reading this I heard your voice which reminded me of Liv Ullman,
as if she was reading your letter out loud...

did you ever see a movie called Mind Walk? she plays a physicist in it...

I will post the link here, so you can check...

but also would love Sepia to see this as it fits well with her theories about subatomic particles

how all is connected at that level...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TwW3kzwh9-E

[Maria Stade]

Ulli
did you ever see a movie called Mind Walk? she plays a physicist in it...

No I have not ! Thank you I will check it out.

Lol.... Yes I would sound much like Liv !

As i see the human potential to day ! We are all energy and the limitation to what we can do, is only in our mind.

[John Parslow]

Hello all

Does this all mean that reincarnation is making a comeback ...

Love to all. JP

[ulli]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello all

Does this all mean that reincarnation is making a comeback ...

Love to all. JP

The problem with a good one-liner like that is how to live up to the high standard you just set there, hehe...
I'll be watching you.

[Maria Stade]

John Parslow
Does this all mean that reincarnation is making a comeback ...

I think it is possible for many more to remember past lives than before.
And there are many that can help those that wish to know.

I have only tagged in to them and do not try to remember !
I go with faith that I will remember what ever is needed to remember in this life if it has any purose for me in this now.

Here is another one .

This came as a down loud to help some one else.

I was with a woman I didnt know her, but the feeling was from the beginning that we where very old friends.

We did go out to smoke and look at the stars.

It was a bit cold and she started to talk about her fear of freezing !

All the sudden I was in another time !

The village was under attack and we were running in to the darkness.

Women and children. The snow was hard frozen so we did go of road with out leaving any tracks.

Over the hill and on the other side we stopped, digged down in the snow and we had some shelter from the hard wind.

We could hear screaming and shooting and knowing they will all be dead by the morning.

So would we That night was to cold and we did all die, but we died together there was no fear but sadness and finaly acceptans.

The children was hardest to see go.

Yes she was a old friend and we had died together during harsh condition.

[John Parslow]

Hello Ulli

The problem with a good one-liner like that is how to live up to the high standart you just set there, hehe...
I'll be watching you.

Oh dear - head now firmly below the parapet ...

Love to you, JP

[sepia]

Posted by ulli (here)
did you ever see a movie called Mind Walk? she plays a physicist in it...

I will post the link here, so you can check...

but also would love Sepia to see this as it fits well with her theories about subatomic particles

how all is connected at that level...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TwW3kzwh9-E

Wonderful - I got goose-bumps...

Isn't it strange? -
In order to proceed on a spiritual journey we energetically give back to the world what belongs to the world, and take back from the world what is ours, until we truly can say 'I' - and nothing is sticking to us, we completely separate ourselves.

Light like an Angel our consciousness finds it's highest realm
and goes into communion with the numinous -

and we will find out that we are everything - the whole creation - every being - there is no separation -
our love radiates through the universe... in all eternaty (and from time to time we incarnate.)

Liv Ullman knows what she is talking about - she isn't just an actress.

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
None of this was an attack against you. The threads are simply about the subjects in the titles. That's all. What I tried to do was to help your desire to understand more.

Thank you for the explanation, Bill. It's greatly appreciated.

This experience has demonstrated to me that I am a bit sensitive about being censored. That was the first thing I "felt", and the emotion was certainly fogging my thinking. When I think about it, I believe it is because censorship is the chain that binds us, and I desperately want to see the mind of humanity freed. Knowledge is so bound up and controlled that I feel like a man that is being denied air, like I'm being smothered sometimes. I just want to breathe, and I believed that Avalon is the sanctuary I was searching for where I could breathe. I just don't want my hopes dashed.

Could you do me a favor? Since the thread was started in my name, would you allow me to rename it? I would like to call it "Reincarnation - alternative views". It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by sepia (here)
Chicodoodoo feels thrown out of the sandbox... It's really not needed.

Well, can you blame me? I did feel like I was kicked out of the sandbox! Without warning, I found my posts in some hinterland under a title not of my choosing. I felt like I had been unjustly punished.

Coffee and cookies does help make it better. I'm feeling a little better now, thanks! I appreciate your compassion and understanding.

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by majapahit (here)
of course reincarnation is real .. everybody knows that ..
I do .. the ET Pleiadians, the Greys and such 'do' reincarnation

haven't you asked them?

No, I haven't had the pleasure. And even if I did, how would I know that they do not misinterpret things, just like humans?

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
[[/Meanwhile, there's as much evidence as anyone wants to examine. There are enough books on the subject, citing case histories and rigorous, intelligent investigation, to keep someone reading day and night for a year.

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I noticed that one of the books deals with planning a next incarnation... and in your thread on the Tell Your Reincarnation Story Here, Bill, you talk about desiring in a life long ago to be in the west to do work here... and I have been formulating plans for myself for other incarnations.

I just watched Richard Hoaglands video about the current issues in Japan and Nazi's vs the Bloodlines war,
what if all the "lightworkers" made a conscious decision to reincarnate into their bloodlines?
Could we not alter the world this way? could we not release zero point energy this way... could we not attain our planetary freedom this way?

If we indended to reincarnate as scientists and doctors and teachers and rulers in this two factions of opposiition, in these forces who care only for themselves, and not humanity at large, could we make a difference?

[slvrfx]

Just a brief note in passing...cuz I received it as "a brief note in passing".....one of those, right-in-your-face, beautiful split-second cosmic awarenesses...

Sorry I can't give a time, place or source, but it had quite an impact on me-

Just a minuscule tidbit, about how memories of our ancestors are passed along to us, in our DNA, and sometimes maybe when we think we're seeing a past-life, it just might be that of an ancestor.

(That goes far in explaining how so many people believe they were some famous person in the past. Also goes along with Dolores Cannon's writings about how some have come here, STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE, with no karma. Just the pure desire to help people make the huge transition that is upon us.)

This material was in a scientific article.

[Revere]

Chicodoodoo

It's not that I dismiss reincarnation as being impossible, rather I question if our explanations for our experiences are accurate. That's really what I would like to explore, and what I was exploring with my posts in Sepia's thread.

Personally, I got to agree. Reincarnation has never felt right for me as well! So, my explanation (in progress) centers on the possibility of this information coming from the Information field or Akashic field that we live in. Is it possible that we experience information so direct from a previous life that we assume it is our own? I'd consider it Reincarnated. Food for thought ya know?

I love to fish! Recent studies show that fish which are hooked on certain baits and released create an aversion to that bait. Here is the good part; the aversion lasts for three generation before it is no longer statistically viable! Reincarnation "Souls"? Biology “cellular memory"? Or Information field "consciousness"?

Oh, and no bashing everyone to everyone...we are bigger than that, right?

Peace,

-R-

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by astrid (here)
Michael Newton was also a sceptic, until he discovered some hard evidence for himself.

Thanks for posting that video series.

There's another way to look at Newton's work. It's like the game "Telephone" where a message is whispered down the line until it reaches the end, and then the original message is compared to the final message, to the great amusement of everyone involved.

It's clear by examining human history that we are explanation machines. We have to create explanations, because we want to "know". Most of the time, those explanations turn out to be inaccurate fabrications. People under hypnosis may be interpreting what they are experiencing. Newton may be interpreting their interpretations. The end result is an elaborate story that very much resembles ancient religions.

So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Is our purpose to provide entertainment for something else? Is humanity nothing more than a message being passed down the line, just to get some laughs when we reach the end?

Am I just making this up?

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
Interesting -- a thread "started" by me that I didn't start. I had no idea this could happen. Somebody has some interesting pull here on Avalon. So let me ask here publicly -- who started this thread? Was it Sepia? Was it Bill Ryan? A moderator, perhaps? One thing for sure, it wasn't me!

...

The posts above this one were apparently extracted from a thread started by Sepia on radioactivity and spiritual healing, ... Evidently, those believing in reincarnation are not tolerant of those that don't.

So, since I have a new thread, I might as well use it. Let's examine some of the problems that produced this new thread.

Intolerance is one, specifically intolerance of opposing viewpoints. ...

Hi Chicodoodoo,

Hopefully, (after Paul's and Bill's explanations) you are no longer feeling as if your ideas were rejected, and instead recognize that they are so important (and so different than the topic of the other thread), that they deserved their own thread. The forum software has no way to create a new opening post for a thread that was extracted from another thread. It's a shame, and gives an abrupt and disquieting feeling to the new thread's beginning. The only thing we can suggest is to edit the new "first" post, and add your own lead-in to the topic, as you might have when creating a new thread.

I really appreciate this being a separate topic!

Tipping my hat to your edited thread title, one could say that even the belief in reincarnation is an "alternative view", especially if one was raised in Western culture where reincarnation is not taught by any mainstream religious or educational systems (maybe until a student selects a college-level class in 'world religions.')

If you want to find out if reincarnation is true, who can you listen to? Who can you trust? Even well-meaning and loving people may be deluded or just incorrect, right? I praise your skeptical mind! I wish there were more skeptics - we would all be a lot harder to brainwash, influence, and control. I think you need to trust yourself.

Trust in your self could take a couple of paths: one, you might read or view some information that resounds deeply within you as the truth, and accept it as the truth. You may not have "proof", but there are many things like this where we do trust ourselves to be correct. Another path is experiential - that is, to remain a skeptic until and unless you have the experience yourself.

Dozens of hypnotherapists have helped over 10,000 people break through to memories/experiences of the reincarnation process - let me underscore, that's more than saying past-life recall, they are also remembering the process involved (as a disembodied 'spirit') in agreeing to reincarnate, helping to select some specific circumstances (gender, family situation, etc.), and knowing in advance what specific goals we set for our self in this one incarnation.

As a pretty skeptical person, I have come as far as I can with reading books and watching videos. My reading list (good for a scientific/skeptic person) was:
Many Lives Many Masters - Dr. Brian Weiss
Journey of Souls - Michael Newton
(you'll laugh when you realize how skeptical these two authors were)

then
Destiny of Souls - Michael Newton
Memories of the Afterlife - written by a dozen hypnotherapists using Michael Newton's techniques, book compiled and edited by Michael Newton

In my opinion, basically, Weiss and Newton and Dolores Cannon, and some others should be considered as 'whistleblowers' who alerted us to hidden truths.

I consider Journey of Souls to be the most important book I have ever read.

But again, I got as far as I could get with books. It resounds as truth to me. I accept it as the truth, but (largely because I don't have spontaneous recall of prior incarnations), a tiny bit of skepticism remains. The only thing left to do is to experience it, to find out for sure.

Dennis

[TheSwede]

Posted by manny (here)
do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

If you could reincarnate and know everything, you would never know how you would behave in a situation where you didn't know anything.

Look at it as a computer game. You could chose before starting how you will start and how you will live. Most people start at the easy level then increase the difficulty. In most games you can chose how you will play the game, how you will interact, how you will handle situations. Just look at the variation how people play games in those Roleplaying Multiplayer Online Games... Some start out as poor and with good intentions and once they get some power they use it and get evil without even being a bad person in reality, its just a game, an experience.

My point is, if you can play a game without knowing who you are during the game. Then when the game is over and you look upon youre gametime and the knowledge you aquired. Wouldn't you wanna try a different difficulty like is starting out poor or with defects just to challenge yourself to see how you handle the situation without knowing who you are by simply learning as you go.

Imagine playing Paris Hilton 10 times... It might look fun to live like that but once the "Paris Hilton" game is done and you have played it two times and look at you two games analyzing you will realize you learnt nothing the second time, you gained no knowledge. You want diversity and learn nothing from hitting the replay button. Its like playing the same song over and over, you will get tired of it shortly. Eventually you wanna start playing the game at the Hard mode to experience the full aspect of the game, to have knowledge about everything.


If it was me looking upon my recent lives I would reincarnate in a situation I have not experienced before, see how I handled myself in that hard situation without knowing anything. Only time I would repeat a certain reincarnation is if I played it terrible, just to correct myself or punish myself, to get it right! Its just a game and after a short time I will be looking upon myself and how I handled the game. The next time I run it, I would increase the difficulty or try another aspect of it =)


I will be a good soul and play my game. One thing is for certain though, if I get to chose how I wanna play it the next time, I wont get near a civilization that has "Money", it makes me wanna puke.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)
There's another way to look at Newton's work. It's like the game "Telephone" where a message is whispered down the line until it reaches the end, and then the original message is compared to the final message, to the great amusement of everyone involved.

... People under hypnosis may be interpreting what they are experiencing. Newton may be interpreting their interpretations. The end result is an elaborate story that very much resembles ancient religions.

So, how do we know we are not doing the exact same thing humans have been doing since the beginning -- making things up?

Do you think you would know? Not from reading others words, but if you actually experienced remembering/experiencing spirit form and the mechanism of reincarnation, do you think you could be fooled?

It seems (based on what so many individuals reported experiencing) that if I experiened it, I would finally and absolutely know for sure.

The subjects did not collaborate and exchange notes - the similarities in their experiences were noted, as a pattern, by Newton, and he presents some of what can be articulated (in his first book especially.) It appears to me that what they describe is far beyond what anyone could conjure in imagination, and the specific details were confirmed by each person that underwent this specialized hypnotherapy.

Dennis

[Tantauri]

Posted by manny (here)
do we activley decide to come back?
and have our memorys wiped.
so we come from source.live our life here on earth,die,return to source,then choose to come back again.

if this is the case what is our mission.there must be a reason us to keep returning.

and if we cannot remember the previous life or lives,then what is the point.

trying to understand

Dear Manny,
Those are all excellent questions. As Bill has said, think of life as a game started long ago with the same purpose as any game; Fun, amusement, challenge and with an overall goal of spiritual improvement.
You are correct, not much good if we can’t remember and learn from our experiences. So being able to recall is an ability we need to improve or gain or more correctly regain. Same as in most things, there are different levels of ability for different folks. But lots of people willing and able to be teachers and help: See Bill’s list of books on the subject.
As to actively choosing to return and memory loss, most of us are sort of on automatic pilot on that, if you will. But again with varying levels of ability to decide parents, where, when etc. and to remember our past.
The important thing is that it is definitely possible to know answers and that you are on the right track.
I hope that helps.