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    ***EDIT NOTE: I merged the thread entitled 'The Egypt Riots and the 4th Horse of the Apocolypse' With this thread by request and/or permission of the original posters. The subject matter is better suited in this fascinating thread. I apologize in advance for any confusion. Thank you. Jake.
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    I just posted this in a thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...The-Government!!!) but I thought it could use it's own. Ok first the article:

    Ghost Horse Caught on Tape During Egypt Protests Sparks Theories of Biblical Proportions
    February 4, 2011 by Bruce Wilson

    In the shortest amount of time, the ghost horse video began to spread like a wildfire, accompanied by religious-based theories. The most heard theory, other than the lens flare theory, is the one of ‘The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse’, an apocalyptic vision predicted for the future in the Book of Revelation of Saint John the Evangelist.

    Chapter 6 tells of a scroll held by God that is sealed with seven seals. The first four are opened by Jesus Christ – The Four Horsemen – four riders on white, red, black and pale horses which symbolize Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

    Revelation 6:8
    “I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.”

    A lot of people now think they have seen the Pale Horseman or the Fourth Horseman in the middle of the Egypt clashes. The ghost horse certainly has a pale color…

    Other more technical-oriented people claim CGI (Computer-Generated Imagery) software was used, but then you have to ask yourself why a television network would do such a thing.

    To me it looks clear that due to an incredible coincidence, an astonishing lens flare occurred at a most unfortunate moment. We DO live in “interesting” times, but I don’t think MSNBC caught the Fourth Horseman on tape.

    Watch the original video here:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...00327#41400327

    Source- http://www.usnewssource.com/headline...ns_190926.html

    Here is the vid. It shows the horse at the end:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UKz3...ayer_embedded#

    Here is some background on the 4th horse of the apocalypse haha:

    Pale Horse
    The fourth horseman as depicted in the Bamberg Apocalypse (1000-1020)

    When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hell was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

    — Revelation 6:7-8˄ NIV

    The fourth and final horseman is named Death. Of all the riders, he is the only one to whom the text itself explicitly gives a name. Still others apply the names "Pestilence"[9] or "Plague" to this horseman, based on alternative translations of the Bible (such as the Jerusalem Bible). Unlike the other three, he is not described carrying a weapon/object, instead he is followed by Hades. However, illustrations—like those above—commonly depict him carrying a scythe (like the Grim Reaper) or a sword.

    The color of Death's horse is written as khlôros (χλωρóς) in the original Koine Greek, which is often translated as "pale", though "ashen", "pale green", and "yellowish green"[8] are other possible interpretations. The color suggests the sickly pallor of a corpse.[4][10] The natural colors of horse coats that could be indicated include dun, palomino, buckskin, or one of several color variants with dilution genes.[citation needed]

    The verse beginning "they were given power over a fourth of the earth" may refer solely to Death and Hades, or it may summarize the roles of all four horsemen; scholars disagree on this point.

    Here is the main Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Ho...the_Apocalypse

    For me the fact that the original vid was from msnbc tells me it's probably not fabricated and on top of that there is no f-ing way that that was an " astonishing lens flare" that "occurred at a most unfortunate moment". Any thoughts?

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    The clue is in the camera movement. The 'horseman' moves exactly in time with the movement of the camera and so looks to me like a reflection either on or within the lens.

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    Quote Posted by ArtyCarl (here)
    The clue is in the camera movement. The 'horseman' moves exactly in time with the movement of the camera and so looks to me like a reflection either on or within the lens.
    It moves quicker then the camera which is apparent when it goes slow motion and there is absolutely NO way that its a reflection from the lens; its not hard to make out the figure of the person or the horse. Anyway that's me for the night haha.

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    My first thought went towards this being some kind of holographic projection, or maybe even HAARP technology or even something else amongst the whole lot of things we are denied the existence about.
    Maybe its used in a strategy to try to disguide the people..

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    A convenient thing to maybe stir some people up. those two white dots that track with the image are interesting. Sometimes it looks like it is also tracking people running in that direction to 'fit' the ground plane. It has a strong sense of animation to its speed and motion. Not sure if the cameraman had 'seen' it? either way, it looks more like a manipulated overlay, or a videoing of a hologram than a lens flare. Those white dots do seem so link in with the animation though.

    Oh, three white dots that is!

    Is this being pushed in the msm? It seems like a pretty desperate attempt to get a war going over there huh.
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    [QUOTE=Aldous;123726]
    Quote Posted by ArtyCarl (here)
    It moves quicker then the camera which is apparent when it goes slow motion and there is absolutely NO way that its a reflection from the lens;
    It moves in inverse proportion to the camera movement. A very obvious reflection/flare to me

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    Interesting! It does track with the camera but moves faster. If one stops to think about the apparent distance of the camera, the fact that its at night and that bright fire (van burning) and then the obvious curved nature of the camera lens. Which would naturally filp and reverse an image, multiple element lenses create multiple flairs.

    My opinion is its a lens flair. Because those happen with the brightest areas of an image. Here are a couple of images to prove my point. The shape of the flair and the fire, if rectified according to what I know about flairs is pretty convincing to me. The white points are other areas such as street lights, reflections off of people, items on the street, the barricade etc. The relationships all seem relative to the motion of the camera.

    Here are those images, the process is simple. I cropped an area of a screen capture from the vid, masked (or cut) the general area of the flair, pasted on a new layer (photoshop), flipped and reversed the new layer and then positioned over the burning van. Reduced the image 75% to take up less space here and viola! Flair proved, at least IMO! Its a pretty rough attempt (took 5 min) and I could refine it more but why...its still a lens flair!






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    I don't exactly know what it is but my money is on a lensflare.
    I think it is a bit funny that christians everywhere are explaining something like this with the bible.
    Some of them are so convinced that they are already living in the apocalyptic time that with any special event they come with an explenation from the apocalyps.
    A while back i saw the same when a comet or asteriod gave a streak of light agains the night sky. They were speculation if this would be the falling star mentioned in the apocalyps.

    I would say if this was the third horseman you would know because a lot more people would be dead!
    because it says:
    "So I looked and here came a pale green horse! The name of the one who rode it was Death, and Hades followed right behind. They were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill its population with the sword, famine, and disease, and by the wild animals of the earth"

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    This is slightly off topic but it is about the riots in Egypt. Was reading the news and came across this quote from good ole Hilary Clinton:
    "This is not simply a matter of idealism; it is a strategic necessity," she said. "Without genuine progress toward open and accountable political systems, the gap between people and their governments will only grow, and instability will only deepen."

    I don't know, I got a kick out of that one.
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    Well, since I disrupted the flow here, I'll give my opinion.
    If it is a lense flare then it is extremely coincidental that it just happens to look exactly like a man on horseback. If it was a lense flare it would have changed shapes not remained constant.
    Very compelling.
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    gives me the "chills"

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    WOW!!! I just had to pick my lower jaw up off the floor!

    Watching the RAINews chanel last night, they were showing coverage of the Egypt riots and I saw what I thought was a man on horseback film overlay (yes, ghost-like) and I thought to myself at the time, "Now who's the dumby that overlaid the film of the police on horseback on this new release?"

    But I will tell you all this! I do not recognize this street scene, or at least it did not look like this angle of the street. What they showed here was more like looking down the street, not being on the side as in this video! Now is that weird or what?
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    I looked up and saw a horse whose color was pale green. Its rider was named Death, and his companion was the Grave. These two were given authority over one-fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword and famine and disease and wild animals.

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    It's at the 10:31 time mark on the msnbc video.
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    lmaoooo I really really don't understand how anyone can call that a lens flare. If that is a lens flare then someone please turn me onto that camera so I can take a bunch of spooky 'ghost man on horse videos' as well "Honey, whats that by Timmy while he's blowing out his birthday candles, is it the 4th horse of the apocalypse?", "No sweety the new camera I bought has Halloween lens flare action!". Some of you must have had a horrible time watching Scooby-Doo as kids "What are you doing Scooby and the gang, that's clearly just a lens flare!". If it's not an actual ghost (which I'm not convinced) then it's either a hologram (which is entirely possible and if so we should be asking, why?) or clearly an aged janitor with a grudge. Here's a video of a Japanese hologram:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TpD...eature=related

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    Actually, Scooby-Doo was my favorite cartoon!

    Watch the first vid on a large screen and you'll see what looks like "a blanket on a horse" waving...its the same as the flames of the fire fanning. Besides, that "horse" doesn't really look like a horse to me...more like a cow! I still stand by my assertion!

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    The reason it is tracking faster than the camera is because it's not on the lens itself, but a short distance in front of it. If you wanted to duplicate the effect, to know what to do, it really depends on what cameras they are using and what setup.

    Street-view webcams usually are enclosed in a weather-proof casing, which is several times larger than the camera itself.

    If it were being shot from a window in a building, there could be some tinted and/or bulletproof material in front of the camera since they are concerned about journalists getting sniped.

    I've seen these colors before when doing post-processing of digital video shot with night-vision. I doubt they are gonna reveal a whole lot about it right now because they have had to film in secret a lot of the time..
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    My older brother is a film cameraman who has worked on countless well known movies and my kid brother is a professional photographer. I showed this to them last night and both said lens reflection.

    People will see what they want to see so if you see a ghost horseman, good for you, if you see an accidental reflection from the camera lens then good luck to you too.

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    Obviously a Mameluke ghost. Don't they know that Napoleon hauled them off to serve in his Imperial Guard cavalry?

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    Quote Posted by zebowho (here)
    Interesting! It does track with the camera but moves faster. If one stops to think about the apparent distance of the camera, the fact that its at night and that bright fire (van burning) and then the obvious curved nature of the camera lens. Which would naturally filp and reverse an image, multiple element lenses create multiple flairs.

    My opinion is its a lens flair. Because those happen with the brightest areas of an image. Here are a couple of images to prove my point. The shape of the flair and the fire, if rectified according to what I know about flairs is pretty convincing to me. The white points are other areas such as street lights, reflections off of people, items on the street, the barricade etc. The relationships all seem relative to the motion of the camera.

    Here are those images, the process is simple. I cropped an area of a screen capture from the vid, masked (or cut) the general area of the flair, pasted on a new layer (photoshop), flipped and reversed the new layer and then positioned over the burning van. Reduced the image 75% to take up less space here and viola! Flair proved, at least IMO! Its a pretty rough attempt (took 5 min) and I could refine it more but why...its still a lens flair!






    I agree the contrast of the night and the low level street lighting and the intensity of the reflected fire caused this effect IMHO. You're right that the lens captures the image upside down, so a reflection in the lens would be upside down and opposite the thing causing it...in this case the fire.
    Add to that the human minds need to apply meaning and form to phenomena and bingo...a very spooky looking horseman.

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