We have been lied to, get it?

[jorr lundstrom]

It is often said that we been lied to from our governments, politicians

teachers, parents, multicriminal companies, bankers and so on and on.

We been lied to about:

Our history

The quality of our food and water

Causes for illnesses

Cure for illnesses

Nuclear power security

UFO:s

ET:s

Terrorism

Global warming

Free energy

Causes for war

GMO

Vaccinations

Religion

Who distributes drugs

Medicines

and so on and so on

I wonder wot we/you have done to stop playing their games.

We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled,

but that wont help, so wot have we/ you done.

And as I have noticed that few Avalonians read wot I write

I of course put the question to you too dear guests that are my

faithful readers. And I have a special question to you on PA and

outside who are faithful to and are employed by the ”elite”.

Do you think that you will get any mercy or get any special favors

from the ”elite” if everything should turn into thin blue smoke?

IMO you will be treated just like us wonderful useless eaters.

[str8thinker]

If whatever happens causes some of them to turn into thin blue smoke, I would consider that a great favour.

[ktlight]

OP I am posting this in support. It is called 'Obama filmed lying', starting at 27th October 2007.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r_RWHiC7K3k

[Icecold]

I do what I can and hope to have opportunities to do more.

[king anthony]

I say, it does appear that most will believe nonsensical statements, grandeur claims, repetitive words, that which feeds arrogance and even the simplest of thought. These examples are how the most think.

Shall most listen to one with flaws, errors and uncertainty with parts of themselves; or shall most listen to one who qualifies themselves with greatness and gives answers to many things!? Where are one's efforts and abilities!?

What paves the way to untruths being said and what paves the way to untruths being accepted!? If this be so, then, how can most obtain insight, knowledge and understanding if there are limits!?

To truly have chance in understanding, is to seek truth of what was then; for there, much will be revealed - even those others, the 'few' give answer to. Is it not safe to say, that when one 'gets it' means the 'evil deeds' have been already - if so, then what awaits all!?

[jorr lundstrom]

Here is a link, started by Icecold, a way to not play their games.


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-a-better-way

[Billy]

I do what i can to educate everyone around me, I have had meetings with Scottish members of parliament, enviromental ministers asking them to research advanced technologies, sharing what information i have learned over the years. They had no knowledge of advanced Technolgy, They asked to be educated and i do this on a regular basis.

I have also had meetings with MP's about Chemtrails and asked them to research and bring this topic up at general meetings in Hollyrood. Written to Dept of Defence, Dept of Aviation, first minister of Scotland, They have to respond by law within 20days, and their responses have been interesting indeed, denial of course but pointers where to look also. the RAF secretary recommened a document to look at. They pointed out the loop hole. communication is still in progress.

Take a look down this page.. the loop hole is open wide. The UK govt. is aware of the loophole, but sees no urgency to address the issue. Determinative factor (3) ~ Public Opinion. There is no regulation, or responsibility from govt. (MOD), for chemtrail spraying as Solar Radiation Management geoengineering (in the UK).
http://www.publications.parliament.u.../22106.htm#a14

[king anthony]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Here is a link, started by Icecold, a way to not play their games.

If one wishes 'not to play their games', then one needs to commit to it - make it known to 'them' (and others) that one is no longer 'their' chattel.

My words are not to be confused with setting standard for all to follow, for that will come (afterwards) in its own 'time'; my words are to support 'one to become one' and have a (peaceful) shield to hold when needed.

These are but simple steps, yet appearing to be difficult one's for most to take. When will words be replaced by action - when action is the only option!? I say, has not the time come to rise and say, 'I am'?

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
Here is a link, started by Icecold, a way to not play their games.

If one wishes 'not to play their games', then one needs to commit to it - make it known to 'them' (and others) that one is no longer 'their' chattel.

My words are not to be confused with setting standard for all to follow, for that will come (afterwards) in its own 'time'; my words are to support 'one to become one' and have a (peaceful) shield to hold when needed.

These are but simple steps, yet appearing to be difficult one's for most to take. When will words be replaced by action - when action is the only option!? I say, has not the time come to rise and say, 'I am'?

To say I am, stand in ones own power utter ones personal opinions,

taking ones own actions to not comply seem to take a long, long time.

Time nobody have. I think that many wont realize that this is really happening

until disaster litterarily knocks on their door or maybye smashes their door.

Then its probably too late. I know that a lot is very aware of wots happening

and they do wot needs to be done both here and now and wot needs to be

prepared for when/ if everything get really s##t. But too many are just

orators. I sometimes wonder who is fooling who and then I giggle.

[king anthony]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
To say I am, stand in ones own power utter ones personal opinions...

Unless one does not have the luxury of opinion (faith and belief).

[Maria Stade]

Posted by king anthony (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
To say I am, stand in ones own power utter ones personal opinions...

Unless one does not have the luxury of opinion (faith and belief).

If one have no opinion then it is high time to investigate the truth and get out of the programing.

And then make a stand !

And then take action to protect self !

Keywords is of good use to google and search youtube and other places !

[araucaria]

With respect, I am not sure of the usefulness of this thread, for which a better title in my view would have been, We have been lied to, get over it!

[king anthony]

Posted by Maria Stade (here)
If one have no opinion then it is high time to investigate the truth and get out of the programing.

I say, for the said to be fact, the assumption would be, if things have not been 'made known' and confirmed by one, by qualifying such.

What if the assumption is other, would it not then be, that one would not have the luxury of opinion (faith and belief)!?

[Whitehaze]

Posted by araucaria (here)
With respect, I am not sure of the usefulness of this thread, for which a better title in my view would have been, We have been lied to, get over it!

We cant get over it until the lies end, then we can put it behind us and truly get over it.

[Fructedor]

I do whatever I can to help those around me and spread a positive attitude - I do a lot of work translating and disseminating documents about natural healing, mostly in plants and homeopathy. I'll talk to anyone who seems ready to listen about some of the things I've learned since I became a little more aware of the real situation - and that's only as far as I understand things. I don't argue too much, because I've found it rarely leads to any positive outcome. I pray for whatever seems to need prayer - and there's a lot of that about at the moment. I often feel that I don't pray enough, and whatever I do, it sometimes seems precious little. But I note that mostly, my attitude to life and the outcome of all this seems to remain positive.

Thanks for this thread Jorr - I do read you, by the way.

Best wishes

Fructedor

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by araucaria (here)
With respect, I am not sure of the usefulness of this thread, for which a better title in my view would have been, We have been lied to, get over it!

I think the title is correct because I hear so many state that we have

been lied to, but I see them saying this over and over again without

any plan or action to get to a point where the lies wont cause any

harm. Its a bit like masochism, like if they state that they want to

rule their own life but at the same time want to be seen as martyrs.

[Donna O]

To be honest, I don’t know what to do. I keep waiting for a plan, and idea, an opportunity to do my part other than having ‘far out’ views according to those around me.

I won’t say I hate people, but I do hate the mindset most are in, in fact I despise it and for this reason I find I have to keep a lid on my true persona. I would shock them with the news that they are selfish, smug little people who don’t really give a s*** about anyone but there useless little selves and those in there immediate vicinity.

Until the PTB deprive them of their toys, their food and shelter they will never look up and discover what is really happening in the world, and I don’t believe the PTB have any intention of waking them up until it’s too late.

Well, they get what they deserve I suppose, but I wish there was a bus out of here for the rest of us who care so much it’s an effort to even lift your head up off the pillow every morning and continue to live in this fake playground.

Sorry, a bad moment and I wanted to get that out rather than let it fester inside. I hope you understand.

[king anthony]

Posted by leelah (here)
To be honest... ... rather than let it fester inside. I hope you understand.

Sharing one's thoughts, in a calculated manner, is never something to apologize for. Bus tickets?

[Chicodoodoo]

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled, but that wont help

But that is the first step, isn't it? You do have to determine who is responsible for causing the problem. Many people put the blame on those that believe the lies, but that appears to be faulty reasoning to me. Who is responsible for the lie, the one that speaks it, or the one that hears it? On the other hand, who is responsible for believing the lie? The lie has to be created before it can be believed, so I think it is correct to blame the liar, and not the victim of the lie.

People have been manipulated for a very long time into being very trustful of the mainstream media. This too is done by the deliberate design of the liars.

So what helps? You either have to silence the liars, or you have to convince everyone not to believe their lies. The second option is a thankless, never-ending job. I would suggest the first option.

[modwiz]

Posted by Chicodoodoo (here)

Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)
We can always blame the ”elite” that we have been fooled, but that wont help

But that is the first step, isn't it? You do have to determine who is responsible for causing the problem. Many people put the blame on those that believe the lies, but that appears to be faulty reasoning to me. Who is responsible for the lie, the one that speaks it, or the one that hears it? On the other hand, who is responsible for believing the lie? The lie has to be created before it can be believed, so I think it is correct to blame the liar, and not the victim of the lie.

People have been manipulated for a very long time into being very trustful of the mainstream media. This too is done by the deliberate design of the liars.

So what helps? You either have to silence the liars, or you have to convince everyone not to believe their lies. The second option is a thankless, never-ending job. I would suggest the first option.

I would think looking to where our power to actually accomplish something would bear the most fruit.

So, instead of pointing the finger of blame at people who are hard to get to, a look in the mirror and identifying what actions can be taken with what is found there would be the more empowering option.

It is where you can insert the lever that meaningful exertions will be found.

None of the above negates your obsevations and frustrations CDD.