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    Default Re: Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare?

    Wouldn't it be ideal to put electronics inside a waterproof faraday box made out of stainless steel, and then bury it in deep earth or maybe weigh it down to the bottom of a lake?
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    Here are some old links I found on my old PC. I updated it not to long before I retired that PC. Some of this research may be worth a little of your time. It may give you ideas on shielding no matter how small or large the scale is of your shielding project.

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    Default Re: Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare?

    Quote Posted by music (here)
    Quote Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
    You might also try an old microwave oven for small electronics. Doesn't mean that it's going to work 100%, it depends on the severity of the CME. We might all fry...

    JMHO
    With the power cord removed
    Very little protection in actual LAB testing using GMRS Radios placed in the Microwave, it is not a true Faraday Cage, adding a ESD Bag to the radio and coating the inside of the Microwave with EMF Paint worked well... but you could do this withount a bulky microwave as a base to start building on...

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    Default Re: Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare?

    Bury them! Four foot of earth above will protect electronic equipment from solar flares.

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    Charged particles from certain level CME's will penetrate hundreds of feet into the ground depending on the strata... crystaline granite helps but just a few feed under common top soil is no good.

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    Default Re: Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare?

    Brotha, you are the technology.
    And I wouldn't be trying to protect oneself.
    Ride the vibe, open your mind!

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    Default Re: Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare?

    good stuff keep the info coming

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    Default Re: Does anyone know how to protect electronics from a massive solar flare?

    You want an updated reason to pay attention to some of this shielding tech for your electronics?

    Monday, May 14, 2012
    Latest Neocon Terror Propaganda: Electromagnetic Pulse 'E-Bombs'

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    Yet another potential danger has been added to the ever-growing and increasingly absurd list of supposed terror threats - the "E-Bomb".

    An "E-bomb" is a weapon designed to be detonated in the upper atmosphere, and which emits a strong electromagnetic pulse. British Defence Secretary Phillip Hammond, speaking today at a conference in London attended by the US Assistant Defence Secretary, warned that terrorists or "rogue states" could use such a device to devastate Britain's infrastructure.

    The E-bomb, if detonated some 500 miles above the Earth, would apparently take out satellites, radar and the National Grid with 'devastating' results. Key military installations, transport systems, power and water supplies would also be hit.

    Hostile entities may already be in possession of some form of an E-bomb, Ministry of Defence officials warned earlier this month - though there appears to be no actual evidence to support such alarming speculation.

    It seems implausible that lone terrorists or localised terror networks would be capable of developing such a device on their own, or gaining access to one - let alone having the ability to launch one 500 miles into the upper atmosphere.




    Whilst an E-bomb could feasibly be constructed and launched by a well-funded state (or "rogue state", as our political leaders call those countries belligerently resistant to Western imperialism), we are not provided with any details about which nation may be trying to do so.

    It seems reasonable to assume that Hammond's allusion to "rogue states" includes Iran; if we were to believe Western propaganda, the Iranian government is currently the biggest threat to world peace. If the West had any actual evidence that Iran is planning to develop or actively working on such a device, however, it is almost certain that we would have been told about it. Such evidence would have been quickly exploited in support of US, Israeli and British anti-Iranian rhetoric, especially in light of the scant evidence for an Iranian nuclear weapons program.

    Even if Iran did have an E-bomb, its deployment would make absolutely no strategic sense. Detonating an E-bomb would make as little sense for Iran as their use of a nuclear missile - another weapon the Iranians do not possess and, despite the assertions of our leaders, a weapon they have repeatedly stated they are not developing. Use of an E-bomb or a nuke by Iran, or any other "rogue state", against Western or Israeli targets, would simply be suicidal.

    The conference at which Phillip Hammond discussed the E-bomb threat is being hosted by the US-based Electric Infrastructure and Security Council (EIS) and the Henry Jackson Society.

    The Henry Jackson Society is a British "thinktank", populated by Neocons and advocating "liberal interventionism" - newspeak for the bombing and takeover of foreign countries, in the name of peace, to secure geopolitical objectives.

    One glance at the organisation's membership list settles any doubt about its true imperial nature. It counts amongst its patrons the former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove, former director of the CIA James Woolsey, as well as arch-Neocons and Project For A New American Century members, Richard Perle and William Kristol.

    The Electric Infrastructure and Security Council is an organisation that claims to help "coordinate U.S. and international infrastructure protection against electromagnetic threats".

    Its chairman and CEO is a man named Avi Schnurr; Schnurr founded the Israel Missile Defense Association, whose website hypes the supposed threat to Israel from Iranian, Syrian and Palestinian missiles.

    The conference is therefore clearly working to a Neocon and Zionist agenda. Fear is being perpetuated with the intention of isolating potential threats to Israel, whilst securing further funding and protection for the Jewish state. Yet more money will be generated for the Western/Israeli military-industrial complex, yet more of our taxes diverted to private security companies and weapon manufacturers.

    That the British government was represented at today's conference is unsurprising, considering the number of leading British politicians who support the Neocon and Zionist ideology and agenda. Phillip Hammond's predecessor as Defence Secretary, Dr. Liam Fox, had to resign last year after the exposure of illegal business deals connected to future military action against Iran.

    Fox and his friend and unofficial adviser Adam Werrity set up the Neocon front organisation The Atlantic Bridge, whilst Werrity's funding came from wealthy Jewish businessmen, associated with strongly pro-Israel lobby groups such as the British Israel Communications and Research Centre. The pair attended Zionist conferences, sometimes joined by Britain's ambassador to Israel Matthew Gould, and even held unofficial meetings with members of the Mossad in Israel.
    Former British ambassador and whistleblower Craig Murray said that a trusted source told him that “co-ordinating with Israel and the US on diplomatic preparation for an attack on Iran was the subject of all these meetings”.
    This article first appeared at ResistRadio.com
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    Here is a video where Professor Paul Cannon, Fellow Royal Academy of Engineering is talking about being prepared for a possible solar storm.

    Quote A space weather expert speaks on Thursday about a Royal Academy of Engineering study urging the government to be aware of the effects a solar superstorm may have on the UK. Paul Cannon from the study group says 'there will be a challenge for the UK' when such a storm occurs, but that 'it will not be cataclysmic'. Solar superstorms are periodic blasts of radiation and high-energy particles from the sun and can damage electrical networks
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/vi...-prepare-video
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    Hello there Bill,

    I wanted to tell you,
    somewhere (maybe ats?) I read,

    a good protection against EMF/EMP is:
    a microwave with the cord removed.

    Microwave is built to shield and apparently works both ways (but don't believe me without googling first lol).

    Saves you the expense of the bag, go to the junkyard and collect dead microwaves,
    or better yet clean and convert them and sell them on a survival site as EMP safes.

    lol :D

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    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    Hello there Bill,

    I wanted to tell you,
    somewhere (maybe ats?) I read,

    a good protection against EMF/EMP is:
    a microwave with the cord removed.

    Microwave is built to shield and apparently works both ways (but don't believe me without googling first lol).

    Saves you the expense of the bag, go to the junkyard and collect dead microwaves,
    or better yet clean and convert them and sell them on a survival site as EMP safes.

    lol :D
    I think most refrigerators can protect your electronics to some degree too. It's not top of the bill of course
    but hey, when you are in a hurry it's better than nothing.

    It's by the way important to isolate your stuff from the shielding metal.

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    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    a good protection against EMF/EMP is:
    a microwave with the cord removed.
    My guess is that microwave ovens are built to keep a certain narrow range of frequencies, from a single source, from escaping the container, and that they don't even do that great a job of that.

    I doubt that most such ovens can reliably shield their interiors from a broad spectrum of frequencies (which is what is an electromagnetic pulse) from diverse and unexpected external sources and directions.

    For example, the see-through holes in the grid in the window in most microwave doors are tuned to block microwaves of wavelengths longer than those holes. Light (so you can see inside) and sufficiently short wavelength electromagnetic energy (high frequency) will pass right through.

    A home-brew alternative that I'm using on some items is wrapping them in multiple alternating layers of (1) aluminum foil, and (2) ziplock bags. See that each foil layer completely surrounds the item, and close the ziplock bags so that one foil layer cannot short circuit (touch) another foil layer.

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    I hope that shielding is even possible anymore.

    One of the reasons I became interested in Tesla physics and Helical waveforms was:
    they can penetrate shielding and wipe information.
    they can also penetrate shield to convey information.


    ET phone home, etc.

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    redefines the concept of a "death spiral" doesn't it??? LOL pun
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
    a good protection against EMF/EMP is:
    a microwave with the cord removed.
    My guess is that microwave ovens are built to keep a certain narrow range of frequencies, from a single source, from escaping the container, and that they don't even do that great a job of that.

    I doubt that most such ovens can reliably shield their interiors from a broad spectrum of frequencies (which is what is an electromagnetic pulse) from diverse and unexpected external sources and directions.

    For example, the see-through holes in the grid in the window in most microwave doors are tuned to block microwaves of wavelengths longer than those holes. Light (so you can see inside) and sufficiently short wavelength electromagnetic energy (high frequency) will pass right through.

    A home-brew alternative that I'm using on some items is wrapping them in multiple alternating layers of (1) aluminum foil, and (2) ziplock bags. See that each foil layer completely surrounds the item, and close the ziplock bags so that one foil layer cannot short circuit (touch) another foil layer.
    Faraday cages should be frequency independent. Frequency dependency is only relevant when you use this as a single plate
    to reflect electromagnetic waves. Faraday cages should be electrically connected at all sides.

    I think that the trick is that EM waves can induce a current in a conductor and consequently build up unwanted
    potentials in your electronics. So even if your shielding is built from all connected 'rings' they will behave as closed
    loops and short circuit the current/potential build up in the shielding.

    Anyway this is theory ... in practice there can be anomalies I guess.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Dear All,


    [...]

    Finally, I promised I'd say a word about solar activity. In summary: so far, so good. Watch http://spaceweather.com for alerts and updates. I've heard nothing more from my insider source who warned me of an 1859-scale solar event anticipated for early this year (i.e. round about now). If we make it safely through to the end of summer, risks of a major destructive CME [Coronal Mass Ejection] may be pretty much over.

    [...]
    I don't know about anyone else's perceptions on this, but it seems to me that the MSM are promoting impeding catastrophes the same way they promote la Kardhassian's derrière or some Britney's antics or whatever "star" du jour...

    Check this one from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...g-8484058.html:

    A solar 'superstorm' is coming and we'll only get 30-minute warning


    They cause devastation, occur every 150 years – and the last one was in 1859
    Steve Connor Thursday 07 February 2013


    This image NASA provided image taken last June shows the Sun unleashing a solar flare, a minor radiation storm and a spectacular coronal mass ejection - AP

    Related articles
    A solar "superstorm" could knock out Earth's communications satellites, cause dangerous power surges in the national grid and disrupt crucial navigation aids and aircraft avionics, a major report has found.

    It is inevitable that an extreme solar storm – caused by the Sun ejecting billions of tonnes of highly-energetic matter travelling at a million miles an hour – will hit the Earth at some time in the near future, but it is impossible to predict more than about 30 minutes before it actually happens, a team of engineers has warned.

    Solar superstorms are estimated to occur once every 100 or 200 years, with the last one hitting the Earth in 1859.

    Although none has occurred in the space age, we are far more vulnerable now than a century ago because of the ubiquity of modern electronics, they said.

    "The general consensus is that a solar superstorm is inevitable, a matter not of 'if' but 'when?'," says a report into extreme space weather by a group of experts at the Royal Academy of Engineering in London.

    In the past half century, there have been a number of "near misses" when an explosive "coronal mass ejection" of energetic matter from the Sun has been flung into space, narrowly bypassing the Earth.

    In 1989 a relatively minor solar storm knocked out several key electrical transformers in the Canadian national grid, causing major power blackouts.

    Similar solar storms significantly increased atmospheric radiation levels in 1956, 1972, 1989 and 2003, the experts found.

    Professor Paul Cannon, who chaired the academy's working group on solar storms, said that the Government should set up a space weather board to oversee measures aimed at minimising the impact of solar storms.

    "A solar superstorm will be a challenge but not cataclysmic. The two challenges for government are the wide spectrum of technologies affected today and the emergence of unexpected vulnerabilities as technology evolves," he said.

    "Our message is, 'Don't panic, but do prepare'. A solar superstorm will happen one day and we need to be ready for it.

    "Many steps have already been taken to minimise the impact of solar storms on current technology… We anticipate that the UK can further minimise the impact," he added.

    Minor solar storms hit the Earth on a regular basis, but these are far less powerful than the 1859 event named after the British astronomer Richard Carrington, which was the last true solar superstorm.

    A similar event today would put severe strain the electricity grid, where transformers are particular vulnerable to power surges, as well as degrading the performance of satellites, GPS navigation, aviation and possibly the mobile phone network, particularly the new 4G network, which relies on GPS satellites for timing information.
    "Satellites are certainly in the front line of a superstorm. They are part of our infrastructure and we have concerns about their survival in a solar superstorm," said Keith Ryden, a space engineer at Surrey University.
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    [\A home-brew alternative that I'm using on some items is wrapping them in multiple alternating layers of (1) aluminum foil, and (2) ziplock bags. See that each foil layer completely surrounds the item, and close the ziplock bags so that one foil layer cannot short circuit (touch) another foil layer.
    What are you using to cover large computer or TV screens as ziplocks are too small?
    Do cable and wires need to be covered to?

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    Quote Posted by Arrowwind (here)
    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    [\A home-brew alternative that I'm using on some items is wrapping them in multiple alternating layers of (1) aluminum foil, and (2) ziplock bags. See that each foil layer completely surrounds the item, and close the ziplock bags so that one foil layer cannot short circuit (touch) another foil layer.
    What are you using to cover large computer or TV screens as ziplocks are too small?
    Do cable and wires need to be covered to?
    Hey arrowwind,

    Well, in my opinion, it´s not worth bothering to protect computers an most other electronic stuff.

    In case of a big EMP caused by a solar storm, the whole grid will fry to the bone, including satellites.

    Specialists estimate that it would take years, maybe decades, to rebuild the whole grid structure.

    So, what is it worth to have a computer, without internet nowadays? Of course, you could hook your computer to a generator, but for what, to play games or to type some words in the word processor?

    The only equipment that is worth saving is radio communication systems, portable solar charger and MP3 players (music is very invigorating in such situations).

    Maybe even radios wouldn´t work for a while, because the ionosphere would be pretty messed up.

    Raf.
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    Such an EMP event would also fry the computers in modern cars and airplanes - don't think I'll be flying for a while

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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    Well, in my opinion, it´s not worth bothering to protect computers an most other electronic stuff.

    In case of a big EMP caused by a solar storm, the whole grid will fry to the bone, including satellites.

    Specialists estimate that it would take years, maybe decades, to rebuild the whole grid structure.

    So, what is it worth to have a computer, without internet nowadays? Of course, you could hook your computer to a generator, but for what, to play games or to type some words in the word processor?

    The only equipment that is worth saving is radio communication systems, portable solar charger and MP3 players (music is very invigorating in such situations).

    .
    I have talked to our local electric coop managers regarding solar flares. They said that they are slowly going though their systems and working on the situation to update equipment and protect it. We are in fairly direct line and close to the source of our electricity, which is hydroelectric. I figure we would be one of the first to be back on line and that we would be back on line eventually.. even though it might take a long time.

    But my main concern in protecting my computer is because I have so much information stored on it. As soon as power is back I would want my laptop back. I wouldn't want the expense or trouble of having to get another one if that would even be possible at all.

    Eventually power would come back on. What good is it to have a bunch of stuff sitting around that wont work when it does"

    Im also interested in knowing how to protect vehicle electronics for engine start up.

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    I hear you on the computer thing. I have so much information stored on my computer and I really don't want to (and probably practically speaking can't) print out all of that stuff. I have a Goal Zero solar/battery combination that will let me keep it altogether. It's not a full solar system (I wish that I had the finances to do such a thing), but it's a small series of panels and a small battery that I can use (and have used) to run my laptop for a few hours at a time.

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