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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Well I'll try and be as quick as I can here. We as men (remember there's only one of us here as DW says) have done some pretty awful things to others including fellow men, women , indiginous races etc... over the eons.

    I have been told by someone I greatly respect I have killed and been killed in previous lives. I am pleased to say this time around I have neither harmed women , children or animals. I have however given a couple of thrashings to some bullies, thugs call them what you will. No I'm not proud of it but seek and you shall find and that is precisely what they did.

    Yes us skinny white guys are the ones to watch out for- As said in Batman ! ' it's the willigness to take action'.
    Women's time has come and I'm all for it. Not because they are women but because they can do the task at hand as good as anyone else.
    That is only 'some' women. just because you are a woman does not make you in the same league as another that has proven herself. Same goes with anyone, men included.

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Beautiful Bill, thank you for a great interview with an inspiring lady.

    I was never eloquent enough to express the power of the patriarchy in a way that was socially acceptable and I am happy to know other women are.
    Although I like George Kavassilas manner of apologising; he kneeled before his wife-to-be and poured his heart out, your apology is accepted.

    hug form Anna

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Look at those countries where women aren't considered equal with men....just LOOK at them!

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    Its a two way street, I have suffered mentally, emotionally, physically at the hands of women including my late mother whom I love very deeply.
    I accept that it is my karma.
    I was probably getting paid back for past life actions.
    There is no person in my life (past and present) male or female that I would not be happy to see and they would be pleased to see me.

    I have no problem with personally extending love and accepting that women have been mistreated in the past and present by men in general.
    I have no difficulty in apologizing for any offense I have give anyone male or female.

    When I was a child, in Scottish Culture women were venerated, respected, highly thought of, the mistress of the house, first teacher for the child.
    Men stood up when women entered the room tipped their hats opened doors and more.
    Now Im afraid to open a door for a woman or be protective in case I get accused of being patronizing which would be the furthest thing from my mind,
    Its natural for me, my early conditioning.

    I honestly think that the media has a lot to answer for in the downgrading of women.
    Their sexuality is used to sell every kind of product.
    Music videos are soft porn.
    Its not enough to be a good singer with a good song, it has to be the total package, which is disposable.
    Respect has gone for both men and women.
    Women are rarely feminine now, men rarely, truly male, both need to support each other not be in competition.
    As far as spirituality goes we are a soul which is neither male or female yet both.
    So within us individually we need to balance the male and female energies to bring out the best in us..

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    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Look at those countries where women aren't considered equal with men....just LOOK at them!
    Don't worry about the nuggets, that attitude is almost ready for the scrapheap.
    I never understood that mindset.
    Women are secondclass, but our mothers, sisters, our soulmates are women.
    I don't even want to comprehend the paradox, I am content to see it extinct.

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    "both need to support each other not be in competition."
    amen brother!

    When you forgive someone, be sure to forgive the both of you- EJ Erha

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    To put my posts in context, wax on, wax off.
    I am not there yet, still learning.
    Still projecting too, by the looks.
    Gonna have to be REAL careful around these here parts.

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    What a superb interview!!! I hope everyone takes the time for it.

    Lucia presents vital information for the world in a powerful and lucid manner (love her laugh) and Bill does the dance as the interviewer as well as ever.

    Positive, postive energy here! Very uplifting.

    Will get the book (yet another read) and this is one I would never have picked up without some help pointing me in that direction.

    For that thank you sincerely
    Listened intently for the Sound of One Hand Clapping ... only to hear the sound of the other hand Whacking me Upside the Head!

    Don't forget to take the time each day to smile.

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    Quote Lord Sidious
    Gonna have to be REAL careful around these here parts.
    No you dont, hiding is not the way.

    Shine your truth and it can be transformed if it is off line.

    When i met Jorr the first time He told me something that was the opposite of what I belived and understod.
    I kindly told him that I accepted his way of seeing it but it was not my way and it didnt fit to my knowledge of the subjekt.

    I was very anoied and could not let it go.

    Then it suddenly struck me...... he was absolutly right.

    Speak your truth even if it is the opposite of what all others say/think/belive.

    It takes kurage to speak ones truth and that is the warrior mission.

    Namaste

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Look at those countries where women aren't considered equal with men....just LOOK at them!
    They are as they are !

    We will change all by doing the right thing to our self and speak up.

    When the tiime is right they will be able to change.

    Namaste

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Thank you, Bill, for the interview. It was a very interesting insight.

    My understanding is that all that is feminine was being addressed and that is natural maybe to take it in on a personal level, and I took your apology to a deeper level and thank you for it as a role leader that you are, made on behalf of all that is male.

    You may remember Ike Turner who was crucified for years after his marital violence became public. The impact on him was overwhelming. Even years later all sorts of material was being launched on that violence, and a whole lot of money was made. I do not condone violence of any kind, but I did feel the hypocricy that was displayed as a result of it. It was like Ike was the villain in the entire world, when it was always a worldwide problem, much more common in most cultures. Ike did apologise for his actions.

    So, yes, your apology is very much appreciated and I thank you on my own behalf.

    I would be so grateful if Bill reports on the book, once he has read it.
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    Namasté
    Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja! (Sirian for Be One! and Be in Joy!)

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Thank you Bill this has been by far one of the best interviews i have ever seen right along the Marcel Messing one,she drove me to tears more then once during my viewing,i am glad to say i have always been different from the norm when it comes down to being connected with my emotional body more then most guys out there,although sometimes there is a downside to it but i am not afraid to cry like a baby when i feel liberated and i get that lump out of my throat by doing it so,what an amazing being of light she is,would love to meet her in person loved it,once again thank you!

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    Excellent interview. It is spot on.

    Interesting sync of note: At the very end she says "We've got the tsunami coming in..." "...we've got to surf the wave..." and this was on March 10th...

    She mentions, during the interview, riding right up the to edge of the cliff as it were. I feel we're at the beginning of that arrival at the edge right now, marked by March 11th's events.

    I don't like following any doctrines whatsoever, but there is a Zen kōan I dig which is quite apropos at the moment:

    "The light of the eyes is as a comet,
    And Zen's activity is as lightning.
    The sword that kills the man

    Is the sword that saves the man."

    Rehearsal is over. Time to mount up.
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    There is such a thing as the 'collective consciousness' in which we all share the 'all of everything'. It seems that somewhere in the collective psyche we are touched in many ways over many incarnations and have lived the entire spectrum in human evolution.( i. e. we have killed and been killed, loved and been loved). We are in a school (planet earth), learning how to be more conscious and loving...learning from our collective mistakes...and moving forward. I do not feel we have to justify, explain, or rationalize, guilt or no guilt....for all of our past exists/is recorded. And who knows how often we are tapping into, and coming from such imprints.

    How do we know we are not healing our collective and individual past mistakes by a heartfelt "apology'.

    Whether said aloud or just inside, a statement from the HEART of our individual self expression could be coming from an unfathomable depth of inner knowing. Let each of our hearts speak for both the collective and individual soul threads of our collective and individual selves and lives.

    We are so much more than these little minds and bodies, living linear lives. I feel Bill was coming from this inner Self , inner knowing, and inner feeling and speaking to and for all of us....thanks, Bill. "we're connected' quantum-ly w/love

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    Quote Posted by Maria Stade (here)
    Quote Lord Sidious
    Gonna have to be REAL careful around these here parts.
    No you dont, hiding is not the way.

    Shine your truth and it can be transformed if it is off line.

    When i met Jorr the first time He told me something that was the opposite of what I belived and understod.
    I kindly told him that I accepted his way of seeing it but it was not my way and it didnt fit to my knowledge of the subjekt.

    I was very anoied and could not let it go.

    Then it suddenly struck me...... he was absolutly right.

    Speak your truth even if it is the opposite of what all others say/think/belive.

    It takes kurage to speak ones truth and that is the warrior mission.

    Namaste
    That was one of my little jokes.

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    Brilliant interview - most excellent!!
    'Extended' thanks from here!

    Once again, someone real voicing what i have felt for years, that's very reassuring - am very grateful for this.

    Can't tell you how much this resonates.

    The old windup egg-timer is ticking still... but the bell has rung already some time ago.
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    Quote Lord Sidious
    That was one of my little jokes.
    Oh Lord do ya think a little nugget can grasp that LOL

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Take it easy. Its all about balance. The end of patriarchy doesnt mean a start

    of a matriarchy. The balance is to be inside every human being, masculine and

    feminine energy in balance inside each and every one. We arrived on this planet

    where patriarchy was the model of the era. We could not choose between patriarchy

    and matriarchy. We have all done our best to act out the roles handed to us. Now it

    is important to acknowledge the women for their suffering during this era. And I

    think its as important to acknowledge the men for the role they have been forced to play.

    If anyone imagines it is always a pleasure to have to act as the strong one when your

    soul just want to cry out in despair, please think again. Lets hope we all will make this

    transition without to much tumult.
    We are free, have always been. LOL

    There is no sharing.

    Im responible for wot I say, not wot you understand

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    Default Re: Unplugging the Patriarchy - a new interview with Lucia Rene

    Quote Jorr
    acknowledge the men for the role they have been forced to play.
    Yes the programe have hurt both sides !

    There is a lot to heal before balance can be.

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