Mother of all Gushers - (Discussion Only Thread)

[viking]

Gulf Oil Spill: Flow May Be 14 Times Greater Than First Thought

The government initially estimated that 5,000 barrels of oil per day are pouring into the Gulf of Mexico from the BP well that exploded April 20. That number came -- hastily -- from government scientists in Seattle, and quickly filtered through the media. Now, independent teams of analysts are using other technologies to calculate the size of the spill, and concluding that the government estimate is way off.

further reading...
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05...first-thought/

viking

[MargueriteBee]

Just imagine how we can heal the earth with the transition that is in progress. We have the power. Imagine....

[RedeZra]

Posted by Ruis (here)
Here is what the pipe looks like

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlPPFcy-3Vo

if that pipe were the size of a garden hose

it would fill a barrel every 6 min and 240 barrels a day

but it's 20 times the size of a garden hose

making the rate of fluid flow 400 times greater than the garden hose

if we assume the same pressure for simplicity's sake but still within reason

and so the oil spill is almost 100 000 barrels a day

that is 1 Exxon Valdez every 3 days

and this is one big leaking oil reservoir


start praying boys and girls

[Etherios]

If this was set up as some news i have read ... can anyone think of a reason they would do this?

[Swami]

Posted by Etherios (here)
If this was set up as some news i have read ... can anyone think of a reason they would do this?

Kill off China......??

[Etherios]

Posted by Swami (here)
Kill off China......??

HUH? How is this connected to china?

[viking]

A Picture paints a thousand words...

Just found this...

To all those people who have suppressed technology that could have helped humanity towards a more peaceful and easier way of life.

To all those people that GREED and SELFISH embedded on there foreheads and have no other motive than to line there pockets.

To all those people that have been ignorant to the ‘Universal Laws of Nature’ and beyond...

To all those politicians and people in the ‘know’ that have ignored the pleas from our space Brothers and Sisters and many Humans.

To all those people that have simply looked the other way whilst some of the greatest and bravest people on this planet have searched for and told ‘truth’.

To all those people that have murdered others for ultimately greed.

Your time is short…YOU HAVE RAPED AND PILLAGED EARTH FAR TOO LONG.

You do not belong here on ‘Earth’ … GO!

Look at these pictures and bow your heads in Shame.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...ly_in_the.html

viking

[Swami]

Inflation in China is rising big time......

China is one of the biggest users of oil, if not the biggest right now.....

Oilprices will rise big time...

I heard this in a interview some where....

I cant explain it, I'm a total nut in economics.......

[stardustaquarion]

Very interesting perspectives regarding what is happening

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpVoLT3vjrA

playlist http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...07C4B742C407F5

[stardustaquarion]

Very interesting article

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Obama Sends Bomb, Mars Experts to Fix BP Oil Spill (Update1)
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By Jessica Resnick-Ault and Katarzyna Klimasinska

May 14 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu signaled his lack of confidence in the industry experts trying to control BP Plc’s leaking oil well by hand-picking a team of scientists with reputations for creative problem solving.

Dispatched to Houston by President Barack Obama to deal with the crisis, Chu said Wednesday that five “extraordinarily intelligent” scientists from around the country will help BP and industry experts think of back-up plans to cut off oil from the well, leaking 5,000 feet (1,500 meters) below sea-level.

Members of the Chu team are credited with accomplishments including designing the first hydrogen bomb, inventing techniques for mining on Mars and finding a way to precisely position biomedical needles.

“I don’t think there is a lot of confidence in BP in Washington right now,” David Pursell, a managing director at Tudor Pickering Holt & Co. LLC in Houston, said by phone. Chu’s decision to bring in additional scientists may reflect that concern, he said.

BP’s effort to use robots on the seafloor to close off the well failed, and a 40-foot steel structure meant to cap the leak was scuttled when the containment box became clogged with an icy slush of seawater and gas. BP now is deliberating between using a smaller containment chamber to control the well or inserting a tube directly into the leaking pipe to channel the oil.

Chu said he’s tasked his team to develop “plan B, C, D, E and F” in addition to finding a way to stop the oil leak.

“Things are looking up, and things are getting much more optimistic,” the Nobel-prize winning physicist said after meeting with the scientists and BP in Houston Wednesday.

rest http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ao_GFutnMAHY

[Gita]

Posted by stardustaquarion (here)
Very interesting article

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Chu said he’s tasked his team to develop “plan B, C, D, E and F” in addition to finding a way to stop the oil leak.

Sounds like they have no idea what they are doing if they need that many plans in place!

[Solphilos]

Posted by Etherios (here)
If this was set up as some news i have read ... can anyone think of a reason they would do this?

We could never really make a good guess, but if we look back to all the conspiracy theories over the years, we can see some sort of picture of possible motives, assuming that TPTB were behind this.
At this point though, we don't know if it was intentional, an attack of some sort, or due to the earth changes that are not being spoken about.

For one, the if that vast cavern of methane were to continue leaking without being stopped, well, there are numerous scenarios possible, but most of them would be considered Endgame.
If it were to blow, by let's say a nuke being used to try and fix the leak, we are talking an explosion of a magnitude the world has never seen, at least in our current civilization. Mega-tsunamis for the gulf coast states, methane poisoning millions or more, continental shift due to possible sea-floor collapse, earthquakes, etc. etc.

This could certainly fit in with the population reduction scenario. It makes me think of that one particular mural in the Denver airport; the one that shows a scene with a flaming forest and city in the background, extinct animals in glass cases, and the coffins with the bodies of black woman, a native american woman, and a little white girl bearing judeo-christian symbolism.
Could this be symbolic for the death of America? After all, the American population consists mainly of caucasians, african-americans, and those of native american/mexican decent.

However, who knows what the real intentions are here.
We know this thing is a disaster with great potential to destroy many human and animal lives. I live on the Gulf coast myself, and there has been more military movement than in previous times, so something is definitely going on here. I'm already selling things and trying to get money together to get out, as my intuition is telling me that it is going to get bad. I'm normally very calm and optimistic, but this thing has me bugged.

[stardustaquarion]

Posted by Gita (here)
Sounds like they have no idea what they are doing if they need that many plans in place!

Yeah but I think that there is more to it, otherwise why will they send the man that worked in the Mars project?

Just a thought

[Solphilos]

Heres something I found that might be worth checking out:

From http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/r...nda21_05.shtml


5.2. Demographic trends and factors and sustainable development have a synergistic relationship.

5.3. The growth of world population and production combined with unsustainable consumption patterns places increasingly severe stress on the life-supporting capacities of our planet. These interactive processes affect the use of land, water, air, energy and other resources. Rapidly growing cities, unless well-managed, face major environmental problems. The increase in both the number and size of cities calls for greater attention to issues of local government and municipal management. The human dimensions are key elements to consider in this intricate set of relationships and they should be adequately taken into consideration in comprehensive policies for sustainable development. Such policies should address the linkages of demographic trends and factors, resource use, appropriate technology dissemination, and development. Population policy should also recognize the role played by human beings in environmental and development concerns. There is a need to increase awareness of this issue among decision makers at all levels and to provide both better information on which to base national and international policies and a framework against which to interpret this information.

5.4. There is a need to develop strategies to mitigate both the adverse impact on the environment of human activities and the adverse impact of environmental change on human populations. The world's population is expected to exceed 8 billion by the year 2020. Sixty per cent of the world's population already live in coastal areas, while 65 per cent of cities with populations above 2.5 million are located along the world coasts; several of them are already at or below the present sea level.

[Gita]

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Gulf Oil 'SPILL' - What A Lie

'Spill? The corporate media continues to call the volcano of continuous gushing oil, in the Gulf, a spill. How insulting. A volcano that shoots out a million gallons of crude oil a week is hardly a spill.

The common definition of a spill is the liquid that fell out of a container, a one time occurrence, not a massive flow that has no known end. An oil tanker can spill oil; but not Mother Earth, who has been and still is continuously gushing oil from 35,000 feet from within her bowels.'

Read more: Gulf Oil 'SPILL' - What A Lie

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[lindabaker]

Sophilos: Good luck on your move away from the coast. If you can stay calm and in balance, you will find the right spot to rest. Let us know your progress. Linda in Georgia.

[Ruis]

If anyone was wondering why there was an appeal for hair (including pet hair ) heres why

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwQOD_Ir2vQ

[Solphilos]

Posted by lindabaker (here)
Sophilos: Good luck on your move away from the coast. If you can stay calm and in balance, you will find the right spot to rest. Let us know your progress. Linda in Georgia.

Hi Linda, thank you for the kind words. I'm sure I'll be fine, as my intuition has always guided me well. I think the best advice for everyone is what you just mentioned here; to remain calm and in balance. As this and other events progress, I believe that things are going to get very real, and now it's more important than ever for us to remember why we are here, and who we are.

Balance at this time is of utmost importance, as when things start getting tough and the growing pains start, fear tends to find it's way into every nook and cranny of the unprepared mind.
Scary as it may be, I think that this is all part of the process. We have lived in an unbalanced state for far too long, and it will take something great to come a long and shake us by our ears in order for the collective to get the message. It's frightening, but it has to start somewhere.

[stardustaquarion]

Bad news today!

From the BBC

Monstrous underwater oil plumes found in US Gulf Coast
Veterinarians clean a pelican that was covered in oil at a Louisiana wildlife centre on 15 May 2010
The spill is poised to be the worst environmental disaster in US history

Scientists have found vast underwater plumes of oil, one 10 miles (16km) long and a mile wide, in the Gulf of Mexico, following last month's rig disaster.

A Georgia University expert warned oxygen levels had fallen 30% in some areas of the sea, and it could take decades to repair the damage.

BP is still trying to insert a tube into the gushing well to siphon the crude to a ship on the surface.

The US government has demanded BP make clear its commitment to pay damages.

Researchers from the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology say they have detected several sprawling oil slicks lurking just beneath the surface of the sea and at depths of 4,000ft (1,200m).

Dead zones

The find suggests the scale of the potential environmental disaster is much worse than previously feared since the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig blew up on 20 April, killing 11 workers.


We've never seen anything like this before - it's impossible to fathom the impact
Professor Samantha Joye
University of Georgia

Obama: No more cosying up to oil

Samantha Joye, a marine science professor at the University of Georgia, said: "It could take years, possibly decades, for the system to recover from an infusion of this quantity of oil and gas.

"We've never seen anything like this before. It's impossible to fathom the impact."

The experts say the oxygen depletion is likely to continue, endangering sea life and raising the prospect of underwater dead zones.

The scientists said the chemical dispersants BP has been dumping underwater may be preventing the oil from rising to the top of the ocean.

Official estimates doubted

The oil giant has said the chemicals, which it began deploying on Friday, have already resulted in less oil surfacing.

BP's battle with oil leak continues

Some scientists are casting doubt on official estimates of the oil flow rate, saying the widely repeated figure of 5,000 barrels per day dramatically understates the real amount.

On Saturday, BP failed in its latest attempt to thread a 6in-wide (15cm) tube into a damaged oil pipe a mile beneath the surface.

Like a long straw, it is intended to slurp oil to a ship on the surface, and a stopper surrounding it would stem the leaking crude.

The tube could capture more than three-quarters of the leak; BP must also contain a smaller spill on the seabed nearby.

A week ago, BP tried to cap the well with a 100-tonne box, but gave up after it became encrusted with ice crystals.

On Saturday, the Obama administration demanded immediate clarification from BP over its commitment to pay damages for the spill.

Officials said they wanted to be sure BP would honour commitments not to limit costs to a US statutory cap of $75m (£50m).

It is not clear what prompted the letter as BP said last week the cap was irrelevant and it would settle all costs.

Mississippi has become the third US state to have oil wash up on its coast, along with Louisiana and Alabama.

The spill is threatening to eclipse the 1989 Exxon Valdez leak off Alaska as America's worst environmental disaster.

Source http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8685368.stm

[Etherios]

it keeps striking me .... reminding me passages from the bibble... the sea will turn red? or was it the sea will die? this is getting really.... weird