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    Dear All:

    The best definition of integrity I ever heard is when one's beliefs, actions and statements are all in alignment.

    With integrity, there is no two-facedness, no camouflaged position, no variance of view depending on the circumstances or who one is with.

    Or what forum one posts on.

    The criterion we use with all members, no matter how longstanding, is that if we had known [ --- insert something new that emerges about this person here --- ] when we'd welcomed them in the first place, we would not have accepted their application, then we may ask them to leave.

    Clearly their membership was a mistake - on our part. Remember: this is not a public place. It's a private, invitation-only forum. This is what guarantees and safeguards its very high quality.

    As Sepia said here:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post171274

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    Some of the Members who posted here I wouldn't invite into my house.
    (And do read her whole post.)

    This is the point. If there's a member here who I would not literally invite into my own home for an interesting chat (with other members who are also invited into my own home), then they may be asked to leave.

    There's a very small number of members we've been applying this to, and we'll continue to do so. Anyone is free and welcome to say anything they want to anywhere on the internet - but not here.

    In Sepia's words, this is my house, and you are all guests, and I value and honor everyone here as long as your integrity is in. If it is breached, I will ask you to leave, and I will make that call myself.

    It's not about differing views or free speech. I have many views that differ from those of my closest friends, and we have animated debates about all kinds of things - from which we all learn.

    It's about principles, and respect, and positive agendas, and how we communicate, and whether we're being the change we want to see in the world.

    In connection with this, there's a kind of 'separation' happening. I can see it all around. I even talked about this with Kerry two years ago, and since then it has gradually intensified and amplified. You can see it in the YouTube comments on any alternative video you care to pick at random.

    Longstanding friends are parting company. Relationships are ending. New alliances are forming. Lines are being drawn. I do not understand all this yet. But it's clearly happening.

    This does not portend any kind of big, destructive conflict. But I see it as more of a separation of 'vibration' (dare I say the word!) - natural re-clusterings and new alliances of people who see things in similar, mutually agreed ways because other perceptions are (or may be) denied them.

    It's fascinating to me that some people are simply not able to understand what I say - and I'm quite a good communicator! - and the other person may be very analytically intelligent. Yet the barrier is still there.

    Something else is going on here - more to do with spiritual 'vibe' rather than intellectual analysis or grasp of raw information.

    I'd like to discuss this more later, because I think it's both subtle and important. But for the moment, this is an important post. I do welcome all views and perspectives.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    This does not portend any kind of big, destructive conflict. But I see it as more of a separation of 'vibration' (dare I say the word!) - natural re-clusterings and new alliances of people who see things in similar, mutually agreed ways because other perceptions are (or may be) denied them.

    It's fascinating to me that some people are simply not able to understand what I say - and I'm quite a good communicator! - and the other person may be very analytically intelligent. Yet the barrier is still there.

    Something else is going on here - more to do with spiritual 'vibe' rather than intellectual analysis or grasp of raw information.

    I'd like to discuss this more later, because I think it's both subtle and important. But for the moment, this is an important post. I do welcome all views and perspectives.
    In some circles, it's referred to, as, Law of Attraction. We seem to leave some people at their comfort zone, and we gravitate towards like-minded people, events or places.

    Pierre

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    i agree with everything you've just wrote.

    there's what you say, and the way you say it.

    there is a way of communicating where everyone fits together,
    even though we have a vast spectrum of differing views.
    words in themselves, are not a problem,
    its when those words are intended to be an attack,
    or to enforce your views on someone else,
    or to use as a deliberate distraction on someone.

    i think there's a point where integrity crosses over into principles.
    i am the way i am, even when there's no one else around.
    there are certain standards i wont drop below,
    not because of how i might be percieved,
    but because it has an effect on ME.

    but also, integrity is whether you can stay true to yourself,
    even in the midst of great adversity.
    being prepared to actually get up off your arse,
    and STAND UP, to respond when the need arises.

    maybe this IS the start of a vibrational seperation.

    it will occur inside the individual first,
    then they will make it an outside reality

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    when i went there nothing happened!, i was bored out of my mind..................in the Twilight Zone.

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    I deal with that vibe all the time, Bill. I've played with it's considerations in the given in situ groups and individuals, in multiple ways and places.

    The science of it may come down to the mundane level (in some views)as the recent study on brain function and organization, regarding the wiring and capacity for empathy. I would definitely not say that is the sole unchanging aspect (that kind of thinking is endemic to the problem!) but it maybe can show some of the physical evidence in some cases.
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    Bill, I've learned a lot about integrity from you. Every post of yours is a new lesson and I, and the people around me, thank you for that.

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    I am honored to be a guest in your 'house'. Now be a good host and bring us a beer.

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    Integrity comes from practice. It is as a result of preparation and choice. A differing opinion does not require bashing with a baton of disrespect.
    When I completed my application form, INTEGRITY was high on my priority list. I do find it here.
    There will always be provocateurs, and that too is allowed, when there is something to gain/learn however, not at someone else's expense due to their perceived naivety, or possible ignorance.
    This "separation" may be part of that choice.....

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    i try very hard to never be offensive to anyone's point of view unless it is a direct attack upon 'not what is being discussed in the thread, but the person who posted the thread, their ideals, etc.' i was actually challenged on several occasions and either didn't comment further, or one-upped the person, so to speak, not in an aggressive manner, but one that would allow them to perhaps view their own contention.

    it is very important that we all show respect for everyone's opinions on the subject matter at hand. keeping a cool head in the face of controversy is a necessary attribute and function in life and will help us in the future when the negative vibes become almost intolerable due to circumstances beyond our control.

    so with all of this being said, i will pay more attention to my own slips and focus on raising avalon's light vibrations higher. thank you Bill, i'm sure many of us will pay heed to your post here and anything that you may add in future.
    warmest regards, corson

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    ------ The best definition of integrity I ever heard is when one's beliefs, actions and statements are all in alignment.
    Hi Bill,
    I agree totally with the above quote. I learned this principle over 30 years ago during my former life as a professional football player.

    Thanks so much for this quote.

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    The word integrity comes from no doubt a Latinate root, thus it is similar to the word integration. Personal integrity is something that cannot be created, or should I say it cannot be faked.....a person is either an integrated personality or they are not, of course there are degrees of integration. What is interesting is when a person seems to come from extreme positions, usually - unless one is merely role-playing or nuts, that indicates there is an integration or integrity issue, under the principle that mutually exclusive positions usually cannot be occupied simultaneously.

    It is all about character finally. Not to say that sometimes unpleasant, difficult subjects or situations do not come up, because they do. And mistakes are made.

    In my personal opinion, the specific issue of deliberate misleading, deliberate falsehoods, in other words - the intention to do harm, is something that we should all guard against. If someone has genuine good intentions, they should not mind being corrected by others with the same intentions, and the corrections that are given should be primarily for the purpose of moving the whole group forward, not merely smacking someone for an error, weakness, or flaw.

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    Well said Bill. The battle lines are being drawn in strange ways, not just the black hats against the white hats, its almost as if we are suposed to be in our specific small groups. Even the the ones who have showed no interest in becoming awakend are hardening their position. I have some ideas on the purpose of this but I will save it for later. BTW I dont envy you, you have a tough job keeping these kids in line here, and I also think you are doing a good job.

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    Ha Bill,

    Thank you for a wake up call.
    Since I met first your (and Kerry's) work and later you personally, I have welcomed you in my life as a friend.
    I treat your forum also as a friend but cannot read all posts.
    I have favourites and those I would welcome into my house.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Dear All:

    The best definition of integrity I ever heard is when one's beliefs, actions and statements are all in alignment.
    Bill thanks for posting this. Your definition here is a good one.

    I've also heard integrity simply described as walking your talk, or living by the principles you say you stand for/value.

    In my heart, I esteem Sepia as a fountain of kind, generous wisdom. Thank you for sharing her insight here.

    I remember when she wrote about how we are in Bill's home. I appreciated it then, and I do now. I felt resonant with the analogy.

    One thing that occurs to me is that very often people do not realise that they are behaving in a way that is inconsistent with a community's shared values, of trust, respect, and considerate behavior toward one another.

    And very often, no one around them can help them see these things. This is where I've seen our conversations fall apart the quickest. I feel that when we see this inconsiderate behavior the rest of the guests present at the party may want to practice their higher virtues, like patience, self-control, loving kindness, and so on.

    Then simply contact a Mod to address the issue, or redirect the energy in a more positive constructive direction.

    The really ugly arguments and behaviors seem to happen when a person, or more, go around trying to correct each other.

    I'd like to see other people's ideas about how to handle our selves when these heated moments arise. As they often do, because so many people in the Avalon community are passionate, and care about the world around us.

    I have found that it is helpful to me to become very clear on what I stand for, and then to examine my behavior on a regular consistent basis. In times of stress, perhaps moment by moment, like a witness to myself, or an objective observer, to ensure I am measuring up to my own highest standard of inner and outer behavior.

    I guess this might be called "Self-Governing"?

    Also, a thief can be in integrity to his thief values, and he is still in integrity with himself. Something to consider....

    This is where the private party rules apply.

    Most reasonable mature people do prefer to treat each other with courtesy and respect. This is a stand I whole-heartedly support.
    Spirit Is the Life, Mind is the Builder, the Physical Is the Result. (Edgar Cayce)

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    Well said

    Have the courage to say no. Have the courage to face the truth. Do the right thing because it is right. These are the magic keys to living your life with integrity.He who closes his ears to the views of others shows little confidence in the integrity of his own views.I would always encourage people of any age not to be so quick to follow other people's truths but to search and follow your own moral code.

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    Some of the Members who posted here I wouldn't invite into my house posted by sepia.

    i would like to say and this is not a attact on Sepia.
    for one who is spiritually advanced and awakened.
    has your ego not taken over with this statement.

    I am on my second strike,third and i,m out.
    for what.
    being offensive to Charles.
    being rude.
    .
    for saying what i felt at that time.and i was wrong.
    i have seen people removed for less things.

    now why was i not removed?

    because someone saw something in me that was good,apart from my opinion at that time.

    and i was taught,and i learned and i am still learning.
    point is that people make mistakes,people learn from other peoples mistakes.
    sometimes the unenlightened may teach the enlightened a thing or two,and vice versa.

    regarding Charles whatever you may think ,it was a interesting ride.
    he brought many new members to avalon,and many more watching.

    sometimes a person may not get it straight away.
    but be patient ,their veiw may change or it may change yours.

    opinions count as if everyone was the same ,well it would be a boring world.

    so imo i would invite evey member of this forum into my home.
    and boy would i learn a lot ,but i may even teach a little.
    is that not what its all about.
    life is so versatile.
    no one is better than the next person,just on a different rung of the ladder.

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    from what ive seen of your words manny, you've always come across as rock solid with your feet well an truly on the ground.
    confident, flexible and humble enough to deal with what your presented with.

    you're not offensive.
    by that i'm not talking about offending someone,
    i mean the difference between being defensive, offensive, and that point in between the two. balanced.
    some people are almost predisposed towards being offensive.
    they dont even see it. most would say they were just voicing a counter opinion.
    without being in any way aware, of 'the way' that they delivered the words.

    all is lost when you cant reason with people IMO IME

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    Quote In connection with this, there's a kind of 'separation' happening. I can see it all around. I even talked about this with Kerry two years ago, and since then it has gradually intensified and amplified. You can see it in the YouTube comments on any alternative video you care to pick at random
    I haven't seen anything like it before, but it is true. I can't put my finger on it exactly but I believe that it has to do with frequencies or vibrations.

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    Quote Posted by Davidallany (here)
    Quote In connection with this, there's a kind of 'separation' happening. I can see it all around. I even talked about this with Kerry two years ago, and since then it has gradually intensified and amplified. You can see it in the YouTube comments on any alternative video you care to pick at random
    I haven't seen anything like it before, but it is true. I can't put my finger on it exactly but I believe that it has to do with frequencies or vibrations.
    i felt the energy when i first came joined avalon.
    sometimes it was very strong.
    use to get goosebumps ect.
    but lately it seems to have diminished.
    time to re connect .

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    Quote Posted by SKAWF (here)
    from what ive seen of your words manny, you've always come across as rock solid with your feet well an truly on the ground.
    confident, flexible and humble enough to deal with what your presented with.

    you're not offensive.
    by that i'm not talking about offending someone,
    i mean the difference between being defensive, offensive, and that point in between the two. balanced.
    some people are almost predisposed towards being offensive.
    they dont even see it. most would say they were just voicing a counter opinion.
    without being in any way aware, of 'the way' that they delivered the words.

    all is lost when you cant reason with people IMO IME

    steve
    then that person has a different viewpiont to yours.
    who is right.
    maybe it is not for you to reason with this person.
    should you ban him.
    maybe someone else can get through.
    is he worth it.
    you may give up ,but the next person may not.

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