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    Default The Smart Meter Rebellion

    Across the United States a quiet rebellion is starting to gain momentum as reports about SMART METERS have begun to find their way into to local newspapers, radio, and television news. In California, as Pacific Gas & Electric Company (PG&E), began to roll-out their SMART Meter installation program, residents began to learn more about these meters, in many cases learning this lesson the hard way as their bills skyrocketed upward at alarming rates.

    Health questions began to increase, not only about the meters themselves, but the cell towers needed for transmission of the SMART Meter signals, and the SMART Meter Relay Antennas that have begun to show up across California. Many are asking their local, city, and state elected representatives to stop this process until all impacts can be evaluated. We know that these types of SMART Meter signals may disrupt pacemakers and other similar medical devices. And it should be clear that hospitals, which ask cell-phone users to turn off their cell phones in hospitals, are protected from these types of signals.

    The rebellion, here in California, started in Southern California where local residents began protests that have spread across California. It has started to gain momentum in other states as well with the push to put SMART meters on every home, business, apartment; every place where electricity is metered. (The change-out has also included the installation of natural gas SMART meters to replace the older existing meters.) It is a topic we all need to know more about as the installation of SMART meters sweeps across California and the United States.

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    Default Re: The Smart Meter Rebellion

    Ok, I'm really sorry to be the one to debunk this story/info (because I do enjoy and appreciate your posts/threads Ktlight)

    But... truth is truth and absurd rubbish is absurd rubbish.. people need to know the facts!

    Fact, the radio frequency waves emitted by a smart meter is actually lower than that of a standard mobile phone.

    Fact, smart meters are always positioned on the outside of a dwelling, not inside the house where people spend a lotof their time. You might also want to consider how much time your mobile phone spends in your pocket or handbag if you're concerned about the effects of radio fequency waves... it is far more likely to cause adverse health issues!

    Fact, smart meter relay towers emit no more radio frequency waves than a standard wireless internet connection would in a small office/business with multiple PC's. You might also consider that these towers are usually positioned somewhere out in the street or down the road from your home... Again, not likely to cause any health issues!

    Fact, smart meters actually allow for super-accurate readings of electricity usage, especially when compared with older-style meters. Depending on their configuration, smart meters will send dead accurate usage information back to the electricity distribution company multiple times throughout the day - in most cases more than 2 or 3 times per hour (24/7).

    Fact, in many cases "estimated readings" would be taken on older-style meters, these estimates would be based on electricity usage from previous billing cycles (rather than an actual/accurate usage reading conducted by a meter reader).

    Fact, because smart meters are read multiple times per hour every day they will enable electricity distribution companies to identify faults and outages in your area far more quickly. This means that rather than waiting for someone to report a fault to the distribution company so they can send linesmen out to drive up and down the lines searching for the cause of the problem, the electricity distribution companies will be able to identify the exact location of any faults in the network (via the relay towers) almost instantly... thus enabling them to get your power back on much more quickly!

    Fact, the reason why many consumers are experiencing higher than normal bills after the installation of their new smart meter is not because smart meters are an evil scam. In most cases it's because the reading dial on those customers old-style meter (which in some cases are more than 40 years old) wasn't producing accurate usage readings because the reading dials were totally worn out and not functioning correctly (spinning slower due to wear and tear - meaning they were actually getting bills lower than they should have been). Once the new smart meter is installed (which provides very accurate readings) they suddenly get a larger than expected bill... and this is because they are now receiving bills based on their ACTUAL electricity usage.

    I could go on and on about this stuff but I think I've made my point, so I'll finish it here.

    Oh, and in case you're wondering how I know all this stuff, it's because I used to work for an electricity company here in Australia and was heavily involved with the smart meter testing and roll-out program.

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    I made this very prediction about PG&E in Jan of 2010. Thanks for validating it.

    PG&E will eventually attempt to squelch their dissenters by staging yet another near state wide power outage. It will be very hard to hide the fact that PG&E is inflicting punishment instead of claiming downed grid time. When the sheep bleet take their cell phones and XBoxes away as a form of hand slapping. It may not work this time.

    Smart metering (and this wasn't made clear to me,) will be a way of curbing any electrical sell back on the part of the resident who may decide to have alternative forms of energy installed in their residence. Their excess energy is sold back to the power company and the power company apparently is going to take issue with this. How precisely wasnt' made clear to me so time will tell. Its told so far so I think my initial prediction will continue to follow through.

    Watch for some noteworthy green legislation to be passed that gets PG&E in a fluffle and shortly after that ....you can expect rolling brown outs and blackouts.



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    Across the United States a quiet rebellion is starting to gain momentum as reports about SMART METERS have begun to find their way into to local newspapers, radio, and television news. In California, as Pacific Gas & Electric Company (PG&E), began to roll-out their SMART Meter installation program, residents began to learn more about these meters, in many cases learning this lesson the hard way as their bills skyrocketed upward at alarming rates.

    Health questions began to increase, not only about the meters themselves, but the cell towers needed for transmission of the SMART Meter signals, and the SMART Meter Relay Antennas that have begun to show up across California. Many are asking their local, city, and state elected representatives to stop this process until all impacts can be evaluated. We know that these types of SMART Meter signals may disrupt pacemakers and other similar medical devices. And it should be clear that hospitals, which ask cell-phone users to turn off their cell phones in hospitals, are protected from these types of signals.

    The rebellion, here in California, started in Southern California where local residents began protests that have spread across California. It has started to gain momentum in other states as well with the push to put SMART meters on every home, business, apartment; every place where electricity is metered. (The change-out has also included the installation of natural gas SMART meters to replace the older existing meters.) It is a topic we all need to know more about as the installation of SMART meters sweeps across California and the United States.

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    IMHO all the negative info about smart meters in the media is nothing more than unfounded an unwarranted hype generating tactics, designed purely for the purpose of selling newspapers and increasing the ratings of talk-back radio sows/tv news programmes!

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    Default Re: The Smart Meter Rebellion

    are these smart meters compatible with solar power systems?

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    always nice to see this foolishness is not specifically inherent to dutch politicians... They tried it a few years ago. Than it became known that it could be read out at a distance, shut off at a distance etc. People rejected it. Now it is introduced as environmental friendly. Because it registers that you put your lights out at 10 in the evening and that data is sent to your electric company, you save 'the environment'... hmm if it were that simple, i'm sure politicians here would never have figured that one out.. at least not publicly

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    Because, that is what they are for. Registering what you are using, to establish whether you are at home or not. To be able to install a system of extra payment during peak-hours. Unusual patterns will be detected and noticed. Etc, etc. Those are my thoughts, or at least a few of the possibilities with a little bit of imagination.
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    are these smart meters compatible with solar power systems?
    Yes, absolutely.

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    Smart Meters - What are the environmental impacts of smart meters? Are there any problems with them

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    Default Re: The Smart Meter Rebellion

    Please, before you dismiss something like this, at least do some research instead of buying into bull**** fearmonging.

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    Report - 'No Health Threat By Smart Meters', produced by the Director of Standards& Engineering for the Utilities Telecom Council:

    http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/...hThreat_1_.pdf

    More info: There is no evidence of health risks associated with RF emissions, but there’s a lack of long-term

    A handful of utility customers have been concerned about the health risks associated with the installation of smart meters in their communities; these ladies even got arrested over it. But according to a recently-released independent report from the California Council on Science and Technology, which compiled a lot of the already-available research done on the subject, there are no known health risks associated with living with a smart meter.

    The health issue that angry consumers have raised has been over radio frequency (RF) emissions, which wireless devices like cell phones, microwaves, baby monitors, wireless routers, and yes, smart meters, emit. These devices emit RF at various rates, and at various power densities, depending on how often they’re used and what the wireless device does.

    More studies need to be done on the long-term effects of RF emissions on people. But it shouldn’t be associated with the smart meter folks.

    As the CCST study points out, a cell phone at your ear actually emits a much (much) larger dose of RF (as you can see in the graph) on a body, compared to a smart meter. Standing a couple of feet away from a microwave also emits more RF on a person than standing near a smart meter.



    In contrast, smart meters are mostly installed outside homes, are installed to face the street (usually not the house), are low power, and during the initial installation phase, are only in use for 2 to 4 percent of the time (though that usage will clearly rise over time, and the graph assumes 100 percent on).

    If consumers are concerned about living in apartments that are close to a lot of smart meters lined up outside their wall, there have been studies on that, too. In November 2010 the Electric Power Research Institute field tested how much RF was being emitted from a bank of 10 meters of 250 mW power level at a 1-foot distance. EPRI found that the RF exposure level was only 8 percent of the FCC standard (the FCC establishes an acceptable threshold of RF emissions, and cell phones, microwaves and smart meters all fit comfortably under the limit).

    So basically, if consumers are worried about RF, they should give up cell phones and microwaves before blocking smart meter installations.

    There is no evidence of health risks associated with RF emissions, but there’s a lack of long-term studies on how it could affect humans over decades or a lifetime. Some studies, which aren’t widely accepted in the science community, suggest that fatigue or even cancer could come from long-term RF exposure. Clearly, that area needs to be researched more, but it will probably need to be focused around cell phone use (and not smart meters), as that’s one of the biggest contributors to RF emissions and humans.
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    I realise that there is A LOT of information out there regarding smart meters in the media and on the internet (both for and agains), and ths makes it very difficult for people to distinguish between disinformation, misinformation and credible information.

    The only thing I would recommend people do is NOT just listen to any old hack (myself included) if you truly want to research this topic.. If you are seriously concerned about the potential impacts of smart meters you should Do Your Own Research and make sure you're satisfied that that the source of your information is credible i.e. backed up by ACTUAL scientific research, studies and/or reports.

    Well, that's about all I have left to say on this topic for now... I hope I was at least able to offer a different perspective here.

    Cheers
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    I'm not an electrician so I couldn't say. It sounds as if the way the meter is smart is the way it transmits information on energy useage not necessarily the way it measures energy consumption.

    but I'm not an electrician.


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    The Great Smart Meter Swindle




    'Smart' Meters are the biggest scam, scandal, and swindle ever perpetrated on the general public. This video explains why that is the case, what to do if you are told you need to have a smart meter installed, and what to do if you already have a smart meter.

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