White lie

[Beren]

Or should I just name it a lie.
Lie told us from the beginning that we are powerful. Well we are but we are also bluntly lied.
We are powerful but very unexperienced . And here lies a catch ; a force has fed our ego to rocket us sky high into vast space of knowledge. Knowledge ? A powerful force that we -alas -have no power to control.

There comes a lie.

A lie that we have that power. And then comes destruction. Of everything that is but Creator and his son. For truth sake ,we were allowed to prove our intention and claims.
We proved it wrong.

But again -ALAS- !!!!

We still try to bang our head through the wall to prove things that were age ago proven wrong.
Ego is a darn enemy. Eats us alive piece by piece ,like cancer. And we do not see it ,worse we dare to openly say that it does not exist.

Will we ever come to our senses?

Will when Christ returns in his glory find faith on Earth?

And I am not talking about religion of Christianity. Or better named- churchianity-...
Christ does not belong to anyone except God. We all belong to God like it or not. And very God sent his very first creation ,his own image in perfection -Jesus Christ- to explain us what does he really wants of us to be . What are we in essence. Whom we will become. What is the beginning and what is the end. What it means to love and live or hate and die. He was sent to answer ours -what ifs??? Or what or where or whys ...

But the white lie or just frankly lie is still working in humanity. People are still more than ever being seduced by it.
It talks sweet words to our ears,very words that kills. Sweet poison. To each its own dose.

The one who created Time, has said what he thought has to be said, it`s up to us to act or do nothing. Tomorrow comes where there are no more excuses.

I say it is time to root out this white lie,this poison with an eternal antidote ,heavenly antidote.
It consist of four base things that are of Creator and of his son Christ-
1.Love
2.Justice
3.Wisdom
4.Power

First ,realization of us is that we know so little that it hurts but we think that we know a lot.
Path towards God starts with humility . Path towards eternal life and light and love starts with one simple step. But that is the most difficult step-- to let go our ego.

Kill a snake of lie with strangling it . Cut of its head. Forever.

Love ,love and see what happens then!

Many obstacles will be after that first one, but the hardest fight for your life is won if your kill your own snake. Many more snakes will come until eventually great Dragon himself will come, but then if you were holding to Christ...Dragon has no chance.

Friends ,wherever you are -if we are to bow our head to someone -that is to the very Creator of universe and all that is. No one other is worthy of that. Never forget that we are deeply loved by Christ and Creator, all other is a white lie, a blunt lie.

May I see you all one day on valleys of blessings ,where tree of life grows and living water flows,before Creator.

[Tuza]

I hope that I get to be there with you Beren. Much love to you my friend.

[anikohu]

Dear Beren! Very well said!! Thank You

[greybeard]

Hi Beren good to see your post.
Yes love God with humility.
Only through loving God and surrendering to Him will the ego die and then we will be free.
It is not possible to serve two masters. God or ego - the choice is clear but not easy..
Thoughts of specialness are of the ego.
There is a love affair with "me and my thoughts"
With Love
Chris

[Beren]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Beren good to see your post.
Yes love God with humility.
Only through loving God and surrendering to Him will the ego die and then we will be free.
It is not possible to serve two masters. God or ego - the choice is clear but not easy..
Thoughts of specialness are of the ego.
There is a love affair with "me and my thoughts"
With Love
Chris

And this was and is that white lie that we must overcome!
Ego and its poison...

It is healthy to be prideful but you must have balance, since ego attack that healthy pride and turns it into our worst enemy.

[Celine]

IMHO...

We are the physical manifestation of a Creators love.


We are love.

I have no need to over think it..but i do crave feeling it.

[Beren]

Celine, you are right. Unfortunate thing is that we used free will to destroy and burn worlds... Never a good thing. Instead we using our free will to further create and enjoy the harmony ,we decided to went off...

[Jacqui D]

Nice words Beren and yes, i feel that divine love when i look around me at the beauty of our animal kingdom and the wonder of nature, sadly it all has been distorted but there is still a spark something that never dies in all of us, that energy connects more with me daily.
When one connects back with the awe of life itself then you begin to understand all has to come to this point, the lie will be more.
blessing,
jacqui

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Nice words Beren and yes, i feel that divine love when i look around me at the beauty of our animal kingdom and the wonder of nature, sadly it all has been distorted but there is still a spark something that never dies in all of us, that energy connects more with me daily.
When one connects back with the awe of life itself then you begin to understand all has to come to this point, the lie will be more.
blessing,
jacqui

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oh dear sorry about that it has posted twice!

[thedot]

Dear Beren,

Our power is not a lie. If chrysalises believed so, there would be no butterflies. Our power, our true almightiness, may only seem a lie if we "externalise" God, placing him somewhere "out there". In such a case, all that is left for us is our ego, which we hate for making us so different from the image and likeness of that faraway God.

But the moment you realise that God is not somewhere outside, but inside you, that he IS you, the whole picture changes dramatically! And this is the truth that Jesus desperately wanted us to understand: that he is not a unique "son of God", but an example of what evey human being really is! Not what that mysterious external God "wants us to be", but what we already are and have always been! Try to read the New Testament with this in mind - that God, his Son and the Saint Spirit are all nobody else but you - and I'm sure you will be surprised, even shocked by the evidence of it in every line!

Already long ago (25 years or so), I had stumbled upon a book by (I believe) the French anthropologist Lucien Lévy-Bruhl where he wrote that the languages of the so-called "primitive people" seemed to have no equivalent to the word "try". In the tribes he had studied, people honestly didn't understand what he meant by "trying". For them, it was all about doing something or not. Period. And this is perfectly right! When we're "trying" to do something, we are already doing it! The only difference is that by telling ourselves that we're "only trying", we excuse ourselves in advance for eventual failure, and thus bring this failure into existence. This is why we, so-called "civilized" people, almost always fail to do what we only "try", and don't do at all what we cannot "try" first.

We cannot try to die and check whether or not death is really what we've been brainwashed to believe it is. And it's from this impossibility to "try before you buy" that comes the fear of death, "the mother of all fears", which is our worst enemy. At the same time, this fear is the best friend of our ego - it justifies ego's power upon us, since the number one job of the ego is to take care of our bodily survival. By itself, our ego is not at all our enemy! Ego is an integral part of our individuality, and without individuality there would be no life experience, which is always and exclusively personal.

So, the question is not whether our ego is good or bad, but which part of us is in command over our thoughts and acts - the "homeland security" represented by ego, or our true divine essence. When it's the latter, the ego's role is reduced to purely executive functions, in which it is our ally, not enemy. Unfortunately, giving all power inside us to our divine nature is one of the things that cannot be "tried", only done, or not. Some would say it requires a lot of courage, but we only need courage when there is something to fear. What do we fear most? Death, of course. But which death if we are all Jesus-like, God-like, and thus immortal beings, spiritual above anything else?

Have you noticed the real meaning of the Trinity in this question? That's what Marcel Messing meant in his interview when, at one wonderful moment, he said, "We are the One...", and then immediately corrected himself: "We are the Ones!" We are all individuals, and "INDIVI-DUAL" means "indivisible duality" of spirit and matter - the two "components" every one of us is made of, the two parts that are One in each and every human being.

All this, of course, can also be seen as another "white lie". But it only looks so if we see our indivisible Oneness as two different things - "flesh and bones" in the mirror on one side, and God that "lives" somewhere else on the other.

[Beren]

Hello ,thedot

Thanks for nice reply.

I understand your view but I am not sure if you understood what I was saying. Truly we were made in God`s image and we have same power given to us by God. Jesus is the very image of that perfect being in flesh and in spirit .The very being that represent God since God is a spirit. And if I may say Jesus is the perfect imprint of God. Now do you think that we are that in this hour? We certainly are not. We are of God but still not yet reached our full potential. Worse we are lied that we are when in reality we are not.

Jesus said that he is the only path towards Father and truly we see that. But in order to become as Jesus -a perfect image of our Father, we need to give up our thoughts of lust ,ego and knowledge when we really do not know.

I will give you an example, Jesus talked to his disciples that they should have faith and if their faith is as small as mustard seed (extremely tiny) they can move mountains or walk the water or resurrect others or make food or heal or expel demons or whatever. But did they do that instantly? No. Even when they received that power ,they didn`t understand it. They were happy as kids when they learn some magic tricks... But Jesus told them that they are missing the point.

One day we will all have an instant recognition of that power of Divine ,it will be ours as we are existing.
But there comes a white lie that we have that power NOW. Reality shows us different thing.

Not lightly Jesus said that he is the path to Creator, we must learn from him in all aspects there is.

As sons and daughters of God we are of royal blood. And just as any prince do not rule the kingdom until he`s been appointed by his Father the King-when and if he`s ready- that`s how we do not know all and do not have all the divine secrets and powers NOW. And on that very premise we are exploited. We were told that it is our right to take the ruler ship NOW ! And then our ego worked out and still is working.
Jesus came to show us the way. To teach us the proper school.

Yes my friend you are royal prince and so am I, but that does not grant us privileges in school of life.
If he as King of Kings and Lord of Lords -Christ- had to learn humility ,then who we are to skip that lesson?

[rosie]

[QUOTE=thedot;18256]Dear Beren,
But the moment you realise that God is not somewhere outside, but inside you, that he IS you, the whole picture changes dramatically! And this is the truth that Jesus desperately wanted us to understand: that he is not a unique "son of God", but an example of what evey human being really is! Not what that mysterious external God "wants us to be", but what we already are and have always been! Try to read the New Testament with this in mind - that God, his Son and the Saint Spirit are all nobody else but you - and I'm sure you will be surprised, even shocked by the evidence of it in every line!


thedot, could not have said it any better. We have so much potential within, but we always seem to be looking for "that something" everywhere else. I have read the book with that mind set, and did have some major eye openers. We are all sparks of the source, from the source.

in love & light

[thedot]

Hello, Beren,

I have understood what you were saying, just disagreed with it. I definitely don't accept division into "teachers" and "pupils", "guides" and "followers". It inevitably leads to shepherd and sheep, masters and slaves... A slave stays a slave even if his master is God himself.

You seem to have missed the main point in my post: by placing God somewhere outside and above ourselves, instead of identifying ourselves with him, we are perpetuating our slavery! Kingdom = monarchy = dictatorship. Isn't it evident?

You say, "Jesus said that he is the only path towards Father..." Exactly. But it's the direction that is crucial. For you, "towards Father" means outside of what you are now; for me, it's inside.

The only thing that I don't understand in your post is how one can be lied to against one's will. If I hear a lie, and I know it's a lie, it's all up to me to accept it or not, that is, "to be or not to be" lied to. It's quite a different story, though, that too many people consciously accept to be lied to, and receive a "Prince" status (or other carrot) in exchange, ignoring that the main lie they are buying into is that they are not "Kings" already!

This reminds me what the state is doing to citizens. It "generously" tells them they are free to do this, and this, and this, and this, while hiding from them the essential: that they are simply free!

[thedot]

You made me think of another interesting thing. The Bible says, God has created man "in his image and likeness". That is to say, man is literally godlike. This means, there is nothing God can that man cannot. Nothing meaning nothing, man is not a mere creation - he himself can create! If so, if Creator can create other Creators, it allows to suppose that the entity we call God could in its turn be created by some other godlike creator. Why not by man then?? Quantum physics doesn't exclude this kind of possiblity, and the vision of the universe as a hologram even supports it!

[greybeard]

Posted by thedot (here)
You made me think of another interesting thing. The Bible says, God has created man "in his image and likeness". That is to say, man is literally godlike. This means, there is nothing God can that man cannot. Nothing meaning nothing, man is not a mere creation - he himself can create! If so, if Creator can create other Creators, it allows to suppose that the entity we call God could in its turn be created by some other godlike creator. Why not by man then?? Quantum physics doesn't exclude this kind of possiblity, and the vision of the universe as a hologram even supports it!

The Bible said many things.
The ego wants MORE.

If I was dying on the cross I would want to say the most important thing I could.
Jesus said
"God forgive them for the know not what they do.
Thy will be done not mine."

Jesus also said "Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within"
He also said "The father and I are One"

At a non enlghtened level we have force not power. The ego wants its own way and will do whatever it can to get it.
The end justifies the means is its slogan.
The enlightened ones are extremely powerful. Gandhi liberated India from colonial rule without force or violence.

Jesus was offered control over the world by the Devil he refused.

The enlightened ones powerful vibration cancels out the negativity of this world. It does not eradicate it as there are not enough enlightened ones yet, but it would be much "worse" without their presence..
Christ consciousness is the same as enlightenment.

So at the moment we can create using the egoist force and the result is on going war, violence and misery.
The good things that have been created happen through the creative power of God flowing through individuals.

What Im getting to is that the ultimate power lies in being enlightened because being in an enlightened state they are egoless in oneness with God, they have no wants needs or desires. no selfish agenda and can therefore be trusted with overwhelming power that they allow to flow through themselves as they are aligned with the will of God.

The way to enlightenment is as pointed to by Jesus " I am the way"
Humility and surrender to Gods will.

Yes we are in essence made in Gods image etc but until we are One with God the non enlightened state is relatively powerless.
Thousands of years of war etc through not listening to the teachings of the enlightened sages that has been available since time began.
Power vs Force by Dr David Hawkins explains an amazing amount.

Link etc here

Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.
http://www.veritaspub.com/

[Beren]

Greybeard, I think you rounded it up pretty good. Thedot ,I think we have much more similar line of thought than is evident here.

Being true Christian means to be a temple ,a temple where living God will dwell in his holy spirit. Now God being pure does not dwell in most if not 99,9 % of those who claim they are Christian. It is not up to us to decide or say -we are clean- it is up to one who created all.
Never forget that even we are future creators or are now creators, we were created. Will the created being argue with its Creator?
Will it say that he is right or he is wrong?

What do we know?

Everything that we know was based on his premises and rules in universe.

How can I say to him -you are wrong!!! When I don`t know all facts about even tiny leaf of the birch tree?
You have that man-God dialogue in the book of Job... a very good thing to contemplate.

My point was that we were lied in purpose.
We were told that we can decide what is right and what is wrong since we are of God.

Well we can , but only when we know all facts. Sadly we didn`t know it then when all this started. Now we see our creation of pain and suffering. And even now we still cling on to the very thing that almost killed us, a white lie which flamed our ego...

[thedot]

Yes, Beren, we're kind of describing the same thing looking at it under two different angles, which is natural, isn't it?

Being true Christian means to be a temple ,a temple where living God will dwell in his holy spirit.

I don't follow any religion, but if I did, I couldn't say it better. What you say is true not only for a true Christian - it's simply true. At least, it is true for me, a "true non-believer". But see how I read it:

Being true Christian (a human being represented by Christ) means to be a temple (a complex of our bodies - physical, mental, emotional and astral), a temple where living God (individualized part of my Soul) will dwell in his holy spirit (the universal part of my Soul, which I share with everything that is).

(This division of my Soul into two parts is, of course, purely symbolic - it's the same Soul that is individual and universal at the same time.)

Right or wrong - that's how I see it! I'm quite comfortable with the idea that what is right for me is not necessarily right for everybody.

The very notion of what is objectively "right" and objectively "wrong" makes no sense to me - I can only speak for myself, and thus only subjectively.

This is why, when you say,

Well we can , but only when we know all facts

to me, it means "never". Because what we know, or may know, are not the facts themselves but their interpretation by our mind (intellect and, of course, the ego). We are dealing with facts the same way as with any other information we receive through our five senses. For instance, we don't literally "see" anything with our eyes - they only capture certain waves at certain frequencies, and it's our brain that transforms them into "visible" image sequences. This transformation is always an interpretation, which can only be very personal. Two persons, "objectively" seeing the same thing, never perceive it exactly the same way! Leaving alone "facts"!

[greybeard]

Hi Paul
Im not of any religion either.
Dr David Hawkins work is refreshing because he is using quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg principal to explain the effect of consciousness on matter.
He also explains how the brain works and the evolution of mankind.
Reading the book would help you to join more dots.
We have been mislead throughout history by ignorance of truth.
We just could not tell truth from falsehood.
Regards
Chris

[thedot]

Hi Chris,

Have just checked the link in your previous post and immediately recognized the cover. Power vs. Force is an excellent book, I've read it about 15 years ago. Unfortunately, don't have it anymore. That was the time when I too readily loaned books to friends - none of them ever returned, including this one.

In fact, this was one of the two books (the first was The Tao of Physics by Fritjof Capra) that helped me understand the true meaning of "As above, so below". It could also be said, "As outside, so inside". I remember trying to visualize it. The first thing I thought of was the Möbius strip, but it was 2-dimensional and thus too limited. So I had imagined it 3-dimensional, a "Möbius sphere"! Could keep that image in mind for a millisecond only - it was too crazy and literally breathtaking - but it worked! Even the theory of the hollow Earth became visible, quite possible, even natural. When there is only one surface, "inside" or "outside" depends only on the location of the observer at any given moment. What's interesting here is that the observer (a human being in our case) can change his location at will, so "inside or outside" is also defined by his choice.

If I remember well, David R. Hawkins wrote that, in fact, we all have an innate knowing of what is true and what is false. We've just got too much "noise" in our mind, mostly artificially generated in order to control us, which makes it difficult for us to access this knowing, so to tell true from false, we rely, more and more, on such unreliable things as logic, "facts", and material "proofs".

[greybeard]

Posted by thedot (here)
Hi Chris,

Have just checked the link in your previous post and immediately recognized the cover. Power vs. Force is an excellent book, I've read it about 15 years ago. Unfortunately, don't have it anymore. That was the time when I too readily loaned books to friends - none of them ever returned, including this one.

In fact, this was one of the two books (the first was The Tao of Physics by Fritjof Capra) that helped me understand the true meaning of "As above, so below". It could also be said, "As outside, so inside". I remember trying to visualize it. The first thing I thought of was the Möbius strip, but it was 2-dimensional and thus too limited. So I had imagined it 3-dimensional, a "Möbius sphere"! Could keep that image in mind for a millisecond only - it was too crazy and literally breathtaking - but it worked! Even the theory of the hollow Earth became visible, quite possible, even natural. When there is only one surface, "inside" or "outside" depends only on the location of the observer at any given moment. What's interesting here is that the observer (a human being in our case) can change his location at will, so "inside or outside" is also defined by his choice.

If I remember well, David R. Hawkins wrote that, in fact, we all have an innate knowing of what is true and what is false. We've just got too much "noise" in our mind, mostly artificially generated in order to control us, which makes it difficult for us to access this knowing, so to tell true from false, we rely, more and more, on such unreliable things as logic, "facts", and material "proofs".

Thanks Paul
Dr Hawkins moved me on somewhat.
His further books are even better.
The concept of using Kinesology im fine with but Im not that interested in calibrations as such.

For me his best book is Discovery of the Presence of God. Its all that a serious student of Non duality would need.

like you most of my books went to friends.

Regards Chris

[Beren]

Guys , I got to tell you my personal amazement ! Right now I am inclined to Google Dr.Hawkins and just as I wished to start ,like a flash came into my mind that verse from book of Daniel . Now before I paste it here ,I should also say that I do not belong to any religion too. I belong to Christ.

Daniel ,Chapter 12, verse 1 - 4 , and verse 9

"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise [a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."

9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.



The thing that flashed my mind is that indeed we are at the turning point of Earth and us. Knowledge increases and many people bring their view and wits to light subconsciously or consciously because things are moving.

I will find that book of Dr. Hawkins and will see what is all about.

People arise on earth all over it (though in still small number) ,and give their perspective about things that were in the past and that are now.
That reminded me of a situation when Jesus said that who ever is not against us ,actually works with us.

So who knows whom Creator in his wisdom inclined to do something important for mankind.

But the thing that really fascinates me is that in those times when this message was delivered to Daniel so few were given that messages from God. And even that few didn`t understand 99.9% of it so the message had to be shaped in a form they could even grasp it.

Today we could understand it a bit better since we are in a different age technologically than Daniel.

But still ,the crucial thing remain, that is being righteous in order to understand the message.
That tell you that Living God will not ever give his knowledge to anyone who are not set their heart to righteousness and love.

Also when you read who was the messenger to Daniel- it was a man in linen clothe.
A man.

I think that angel that delivered the message was indeed a man , a man that we once were.
And a man that we will become. And even more.
Daniel didn`t saw a flaming fire talking to him. He saw a being that he thought it was a man.
A man on much higher plain of life and capable of who knows what in scientific way of speaking.

That man could do things that our science can never do. Cross through portals in milliseconds, bend time, travel through space without space suits or ships. He does not live on food that we know of, he is forever young looking and perfect in appearance ... and who knows how many more things... and we as mankind stream to that...

We stream but on a wrong e want all those things but without aligning our heart with Creator who gives all those things.

That`s why for me the most important thing is to be one with Christ , and with Creator.
That is the heart of the matter.
All other are toys... worthless if you don`t have a heart of the matter.

Very interesting times indeed!
I hope that one day I will know fully why,when,how I was sent here on Earth ...to do what and to learn what...

So far I`m grasping the thing of how is important to be one spirit with Creator ...