+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 10 FirstFirst 1 3 10 LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 183

Thread: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

  1. Link to Post #41
    Avalon Member leavesoftrees's Avatar
    Join Date
    7th April 2010
    Posts
    525
    Thanks
    3,402
    Thanked 2,984 times in 463 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by Metaphor (here)
    Yesindeed. Starting to see a picture here. Connecting the dots, sort of. This article, if true, is an eyeopener:

    http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/...Entity=OrwellG
    I would take this article with a very large grain of salt

  2. Link to Post #42
    Canada Avalon Member TWINCANS's Avatar
    Join Date
    30th March 2011
    Location
    Pacing in the Cage
    Age
    71
    Posts
    769
    Thanks
    1,923
    Thanked 2,536 times in 642 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Found this theory:

    http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010...-of-socialism/

    Basically the Fabian Society which has 'a wolf is sheep's clothing' on its shield, began in 1884. Perhaps Orwell /Blair chose the title 1984 because he wanted to harken back to that date as the founding of a pernicious belief, one that would plod along until it achieved its socialist end. "...a mirror held up to the totalitarian face of the left-wing intelligentsia." We know this today as political correctness. The British Labour Party took many of the Fabian Society's tenets.

    "Fabians believed they could be successful in taking over national governments incrementally even if it took 100 years.

    "What gives pause is that the book clearly satirizes the consequences of Fabian socialism exactly 100 years after its birth in the salons of London."

    "When asked about the world he had described in 1984, Orwell responded that he was not saying such a future would occur, but that a future something like it could happen because that was the direction in which the world was going.

    So why would this Swiftian satire be unleashed against the gentle Fabian socialists? One reason is that they weren’t all that gentle. The redoubtable Webbs had traveled in 1932 to Stalin’s Soviet Union with Fabian playwright George Bernard Shaw to see socialism at work, and they were Potemkinized if not directly recruited by the NKVD, the Soviet secret police that preceded the KGB. The gushing Webbs claimed to have seen no evidence of famine, hardship or slave camps.

    In 1933 they published an account of their trip titled Soviet Russia: A New Civilization. Two years later they put out a revised edition even more obsequious, to which they added an exclamation point, as in Soviet Russia: A New Civilization! According to the archives of the Soviet intelligence services, the book was entirely written by the NKVD. The aging Webbs now were working to create in England a replica of the Soviet Union, and Orwell was watching them."

    "All of which suggests that Orwell’s 1984 was written as a forecast scenario for the year 2000, but titled 1984 to bring to mind the centenary of the Fabian Society. Orwell’s satirical approach assumes that the leaders of future governments would be Fabian successors of Beatrice and Sidney Webb, whom H.G. Wells with arcane foresight referred to as the global “New Machiavellians.”

    Is that getting close, or is there another rabbit hole to go down here, LS?

  3. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to TWINCANS For This Post:

    charlesfrith (15th May 2011), Fred Steeves (23rd May 2011), Lord Sidious (14th May 2011), sandy (15th May 2011), seko (14th May 2011)

  4. Link to Post #43
    Canada Avalon Member TWINCANS's Avatar
    Join Date
    30th March 2011
    Location
    Pacing in the Cage
    Age
    71
    Posts
    769
    Thanks
    1,923
    Thanked 2,536 times in 642 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Eric Arthur Blairs father was a 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason?.
    And his dad was also a not so distant relative of Tony Blair?[/QUOTE]

    Tony Blairs real name is not Blair.
    Keep going.[/QUOTE]



    Tony Parsons, am I right?

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to TWINCANS For This Post:


  6. Link to Post #44
    Palestinian Territory Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    Coruscant
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,236
    Thanks
    37,899
    Thanked 33,087 times in 6,275 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by TWINCANS (here)
    Eric Arthur Blairs father was a 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemason?.
    And his dad was also a not so distant relative of Tony Blair?
    Tony Blairs real name is not Blair.
    Keep going.[/QUOTE]



    Tony Parsons, am I right?[/QUOTE]

    I am not sure of his real name, I never cared enough.
    Dirtbag is as dirtbag does, you know the deal.

  7. Link to Post #45
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    8th January 2011
    Location
    cheshire
    Age
    64
    Posts
    391
    Thanks
    1,015
    Thanked 1,203 times in 304 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. " Blair was a member of the Burma Police and high ranking s.o.e. operative. Also fought on the catalan side in the spanish civil war, hence his disenfranchisement with the communist agenda. I don't know specifically what you are alluding to lord, but I can hazard a guess....

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to mondaze For This Post:


  9. Link to Post #46
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    8th January 2011
    Location
    cheshire
    Age
    64
    Posts
    391
    Thanks
    1,015
    Thanked 1,203 times in 304 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    this might be of use...

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to mondaze For This Post:


  11. Link to Post #47
    Palestinian Territory Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    Coruscant
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,236
    Thanks
    37,899
    Thanked 33,087 times in 6,275 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by mondaze (here)
    "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. " Blair was a member of the Burma Police and high ranking s.o.e. operative. Also fought on the catalan side in the spanish civil war, hence his disenfranchisement with the communist agenda. I don't know specifically what you are alluding to lord, but I can hazard a guess....
    You are getting there, filling in some of the bits.
    More to come yet though.

  12. Link to Post #48
    Australia Avalon Member Lily de Cuir's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st March 2010
    Location
    Near Byron Bay, NSW, Australia
    Language
    English
    Age
    65
    Posts
    532
    Thanks
    1,973
    Thanked 2,453 times in 438 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Hello Sid,

    Um Orwell's brother (or Blair, whatever) was privvy to the illumanti's plans?

    M'Lord why do you play such drawn-out games?

    If you have the answers, why not just spit your info out and give us the good stuff if you're in the know.

    Life is too short to play games these days.

    Yes, I know you will say info shouldn't be put on a plate 'chewed up and ready to be digested'. But I think most of us here are pretty savvy, already.

    Love Lily
    x

  13. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Lily de Cuir For This Post:

    Charlie Pecos (17th May 2011), Lord Sidious (14th May 2011), mondaze (14th May 2011), Omni (14th May 2011), sandy (15th May 2011), seko (14th May 2011)

  14. Link to Post #49
    Palestinian Territory Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    Coruscant
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,236
    Thanks
    37,899
    Thanked 33,087 times in 6,275 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by Lily de Cuir (here)
    Hello Sid,

    Um Orwell's brother (or Blair, whatever) was privvy to the illumanti's plans?

    M'Lord why do you play such drawn-out games?

    If you have the answers, why not just spit your info out and give us the good stuff if you're in the know.

    Life is too short to play games these days.

    Yes, I know you will say info shouldn't be put on a plate 'chewed up and ready to be digested'. But I think most of us here are pretty savvy, already.

    Love Lily
    x
    It is the journey that shapes us, not the destination, for you would not be able to reach it without the journey.
    You learn more by looking for yourselves and get knowledge AROUND the topic as well, rather than I just spit it at you.
    Don't worry, your Uncle Sidious will assemble it all, once you have all the pieces required.

    And mondaze, I will review your video later, I am having one of those days and don't have the patience for it right now.
    Sorry.

  15. Link to Post #50
    UK Avalon Member Mr54's Avatar
    Join Date
    1st February 2011
    Age
    49
    Posts
    126
    Thanks
    280
    Thanked 398 times in 81 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Orwell wrote an excellent essay about his experiences in the Burma Military Police entitled "to kill an Elephant" in which he describes the status quo through an experience he had in which he had to kill a rampaging Bull Elephant with his service revolver. Through this he experienced the full loathing of the local population and was taken up with an equal amount of hatred for them. The disgust that Orwell felt with himself for his handling of this event in which he became the embodiment of TPTB I believe was a very important event in his formation of anti establishment thinking.

    Also I do believe that Orwell was involved with propaganda production for the "allies" in the second world war.........

  16. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Mr54 For This Post:

    Lord Sidious (14th May 2011), seko (14th May 2011)

  17. Link to Post #51
    Australia Avalon Member Lily de Cuir's Avatar
    Join Date
    21st March 2010
    Location
    Near Byron Bay, NSW, Australia
    Language
    English
    Age
    65
    Posts
    532
    Thanks
    1,973
    Thanked 2,453 times in 438 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by Lily de Cuir (here)
    Hello Sid,

    Um Orwell's brother (or Blair, whatever) was privvy to the illumanti's plans?

    M'Lord why do you play such drawn-out games?

    If you have the answers, why not just spit your info out and give us the good stuff if you're in the know.

    Life is too short to play games these days.

    Yes, I know you will say info shouldn't be put on a plate 'chewed up and ready to be digested'. But I think most of us here are pretty savvy, already.

    Love Lily
    x
    It is the journey that shapes us, not the destination, for you would not be able to reach it without the journey.
    You learn more by looking for yourselves and get knowledge AROUND the topic as well, rather than I just spit it at you.
    Don't worry, your Uncle Sidious will assemble it all, once you have all the pieces required.

    And mondaze, I will review your video later, I am having one of those days and don't have the patience for it right now.
    Sorry.
    Uncle Sid,

    I think you may need to spend some time in the garden and turn your computer off.

    I have no desire to chase people around with their promises of telling me what is correct for days on end, with cryptic offerings. Like most people on this forum I've been chasing the truth for a few years now. I am getting very frustrated with time-wasters of those who say they know the truth and lead people on for an age without getting to the point. I work very hard for a living and love having this space to communicate with like-minded people in rare times to myself.

    Tell people what you want to say, say it and then tell them what you've told them. Simple. Wasting people's time is just a ego trip, in my humble opinion.

    Your last sentence is very telling, you don't have the patience now or the time to attend to Mondaze's video. Well it's your choice to be on here stringing everyone along. You've been on here for the last week, non-stop....

    Turn your computer off and dig your fingers in the soil Uncle Sid.

    And I don't need you or anyone else to tell me when everything has been assembled, according to you, to make sense of anything and to be given answers. I don't have all the pieces to the puzzle and neither do you.

    Love Lily
    x

  18. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Lily de Cuir For This Post:

    Charlie Pecos (17th May 2011), Lord Sidious (14th May 2011), Mare (14th May 2011), mosquito (15th May 2011)

  19. Link to Post #52
    England Avalon Member K626's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th March 2010
    Location
    London
    Posts
    1,377
    Thanks
    2,463
    Thanked 3,112 times in 828 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Orwell on tea making.

    First of all, one should use Indian or Ceylonese tea. China tea has virtues which are not to be despised nowadays — it is economical, and one can drink it without milk — but there is not much stimulation in it. One does not feel wiser, braver or more optimistic after drinking it. Anyone who has used that comforting phrase 'a nice cup of tea' invariably means Indian tea.

    Secondly, tea should be made in small quantities — that is, in a teapot. Tea out of an urn is always tasteless, while army tea, made in a cauldron, tastes of grease and whitewash. The teapot should be made of china or earthenware. Silver or Britanniaware teapots produce inferior tea and enamel pots are worse; though curiously enough a pewter teapot (a rarity nowadays) is not so bad.

    Thirdly, the pot should be warmed beforehand. This is better done by placing it on the hob than by the usual method of swilling it out with hot water.

    Fourthly, the tea should be strong. For a pot holding a quart, if you are going to fill it nearly to the brim, six heaped teaspoons would be about right. In a time of rationing, this is not an idea that can be realized on every day of the week, but I maintain that one strong cup of tea is better than twenty weak ones. All true tea lovers not only like their tea strong, but like it a little stronger with each year that passes — a fact which is recognized in the extra ration issued to old-age pensioners.

    Fifthly, the tea should be put straight into the pot. No strainers, muslin bags or other devices to imprison the tea. In some countries teapots are fitted with little dangling baskets under the spout to catch the stray leaves, which are supposed to be harmful. Actually one can swallow tea-leaves in considerable quantities without ill effect, and if the tea is not loose in the pot it never infuses properly.

    Sixthly, one should take the teapot to the kettle and not the other way about. The water should be actually boiling at the moment of impact, which means that one should keep it on the flame while one pours. Some people add that one should only use water that has been freshly brought to the boil, but I have never noticed that it makes any difference.

    Seventhly, after making the tea, one should stir it, or better, give the pot a good shake, afterwards allowing the leaves to settle.

    Eighthly, one should drink out of a good breakfast cup — that is, the cylindrical type of cup, not the flat, shallow type. The breakfast cup holds more, and with the other kind one's tea is always half cold before one has well started on it.

    Ninthly, one should pour the cream off the milk before using it for tea. Milk that is too creamy always gives tea a sickly taste.

    Tenthly, one should pour tea into the cup first. This is one of the most controversial points of all; indeed in every family in Britain there are probably two schools of thought on the subject. The milk-first school can bring forward some fairly strong arguments, but I maintain that my own argument is unanswerable. This is that, by putting the tea in first and stirring as one pours, one can exactly regulate the amount of milk whereas one is liable to put in too much milk if one does it the other way round.

    Lastly, tea — unless one is drinking it in the Russian style — should be drunk without sugar. I know very well that I am in a minority here. But still, how can you call yourself a true tealover if you destroy the flavour of your tea by putting sugar in it? It would be equally reasonable to put in pepper or salt. Tea is meant to be bitter, just as beer is meant to be bitter. If you sweeten it, you are no longer tasting the tea, you are merely tasting the sugar; you could make a very similar drink by dissolving sugar in plain hot water.


    cheers

    K
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
    Alan Watt

  20. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to K626 For This Post:

    Aryslan (7th October 2011), Lily de Cuir (14th May 2011), Lord Sidious (14th May 2011), mondaze (14th May 2011), yaksuit (14th May 2011)

  21. Link to Post #53
    Palestinian Territory Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    Coruscant
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,236
    Thanks
    37,899
    Thanked 33,087 times in 6,275 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by Lily de Cuir (here)
    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by Lily de Cuir (here)
    Hello Sid,

    Um Orwell's brother (or Blair, whatever) was privvy to the illumanti's plans?

    M'Lord why do you play such drawn-out games?

    If you have the answers, why not just spit your info out and give us the good stuff if you're in the know.

    Life is too short to play games these days.

    Yes, I know you will say info shouldn't be put on a plate 'chewed up and ready to be digested'. But I think most of us here are pretty savvy, already.

    Love Lily
    x
    It is the journey that shapes us, not the destination, for you would not be able to reach it without the journey.
    You learn more by looking for yourselves and get knowledge AROUND the topic as well, rather than I just spit it at you.
    Don't worry, your Uncle Sidious will assemble it all, once you have all the pieces required.

    And mondaze, I will review your video later, I am having one of those days and don't have the patience for it right now.
    Sorry.
    Uncle Sid,

    I think you may need to spend some time in the garden and turn your computer off.

    I have no desire to chase people around with their promises of telling me what is correct for days on end, with cryptic offerings. Like most people on this forum I've been chasing the truth for a few years now. I am getting very frustrated with time-wasters of those who say they know the truth and lead people on for an age without getting to the point. I work very hard for a living and love having this space to communicate with like-minded people in rare times to myself.

    Tell people what you want to say, say it and then tell them what you've told them. Simple. Wasting people's time is just a ego trip, in my humble opinion.

    Your last sentence is very telling, you don't have the patience now or the time to attend to Mondaze's video. Well it's your choice to be on here stringing everyone along. You've been on here for the last week, non-stop....

    Turn your computer off and dig your fingers in the soil Uncle Sid.

    And I don't need you or anyone else to tell me when everything has been assembled, according to you, to make sense of anything and to be given answers. I don't have all the pieces to the puzzle and neither do you.

    Love Lily
    x
    While what you say is not wrong, it is not my ego doing this, it is my urge to help.
    And my comment was based on the fact that I am not feeling so good and sitting for more than 5 minutes at a time to concentrate is hard.
    His video deserves some consideration, more than I can muster right now.
    If that is a problem for you, then please accept my apologies.

  22. Link to Post #54
    England Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    8th January 2011
    Location
    cheshire
    Age
    64
    Posts
    391
    Thanks
    1,015
    Thanked 1,203 times in 304 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    to be honest rob i only watched 20 mins... just thought it might help others see the background...

  23. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mondaze For This Post:

    Lord Sidious (14th May 2011)

  24. Link to Post #55
    UK Avalon Member Mike Gorman's Avatar
    Join Date
    31st May 2010
    Location
    Perth, Western Australia
    Language
    English
    Age
    65
    Posts
    1,868
    Thanks
    5,830
    Thanked 13,989 times in 1,749 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Are we trying to say Eric Blair got his ideas for 1984 from his brief association with Aldous Huxley
    at Eton.?..This is a long bow to draw, 'Brave New World' and 1984 are very different visions of the world,
    besides Orwell's own experiences as he describes:
    “First I spent five years in an unsuitable profession (the Indian Imperial Police, in Burma), and then I underwent poverty and the sense of failure. This increased my natural hatred of authority and made me for the first time fully aware of the existence of the working classes, and the job in Burma had given me some understanding of the nature of imperialism: but these experiences were not enough to give me an accurate political orientation. Then came Hitler, the Spanish Civil War, etc. By the end of 1935 I had still failed to reach a firm decision.”
    He goes on to say;

    “The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

    Are sufficient enough for him to develop his own ideas....

  25. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Mike Gorman For This Post:

    Lily de Cuir (14th May 2011), seko (14th May 2011)

  26. Link to Post #56
    Palestinian Territory Unsubscribed
    Join Date
    4th January 2011
    Location
    Coruscant
    Age
    55
    Posts
    7,236
    Thanks
    37,899
    Thanked 33,087 times in 6,275 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by GalaxyHorse (here)
    Are we trying to say Eric Blair got his ideas for 1984 from his brief association with Aldous Huxley
    at Eton.?..This is a long bow to draw, 'Brave New World' and 1984 are very different visions of the world,
    besides Orwell's own experiences as he describes:
    “First I spent five years in an unsuitable profession (the Indian Imperial Police, in Burma), and then I underwent poverty and the sense of failure. This increased my natural hatred of authority and made me for the first time fully aware of the existence of the working classes, and the job in Burma had given me some understanding of the nature of imperialism: but these experiences were not enough to give me an accurate political orientation. Then came Hitler, the Spanish Civil War, etc. By the end of 1935 I had still failed to reach a firm decision.”
    He goes on to say;

    “The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”

    Are sufficient enough for him to develop his own ideas....
    The fact that Blair was in the fabians has escaped all of you so far.
    Maybe you might think he KNEW what the plans were?

  27. Link to Post #57
    UK Avalon Member red_rose's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th January 2011
    Location
    UK
    Age
    44
    Posts
    279
    Thanks
    861
    Thanked 960 times in 232 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    I remember seeing a documentary that said his brother was either a member of parliament or some big wig but I can't remember who it was.....doh! His brother would confide in him about the plans for society.

    I remember having a big discussion about it with my partner a few years back.

    My memory is so crappy....
    We shall not cease from exploration
    And the end of all our exploring
    Will be to arrive where we first started
    And know the place for the first time

  28. The Following User Says Thank You to red_rose For This Post:

    TWINCANS (14th May 2011)

  29. Link to Post #58
    Netherlands Avalon Member Gustav's Avatar
    Join Date
    29th January 2011
    Location
    at home, at ease and at rest
    Age
    41
    Posts
    268
    Thanks
    331
    Thanked 390 times in 174 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    ah that extremely open society that is the fabians.. interesting lecture on the fabians here. Although no really dark backgrounds it provides an insight in their working schemes.
    http://mises.org/media/1180/media.as...=author&ID=809
    Last edited by Gustav; 14th May 2011 at 15:17. Reason: making sure a link is clickable..

  30. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Gustav For This Post:

    Lord Sidious (14th May 2011)

  31. Link to Post #59
    Canada Avalon Member TWINCANS's Avatar
    Join Date
    30th March 2011
    Location
    Pacing in the Cage
    Age
    71
    Posts
    769
    Thanks
    1,923
    Thanked 2,536 times in 642 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Sorry, yes he was in the Fabians but did leave them, ie quit the organization. Thought that was already covered but obviously not clearly. And that would indicate that he knew, and disagreed with their aims, yes.

    What I found interesting that I did not personally know was that Beatrice Potter (through her husband's seminal position in the Fabians) was the one that 'joined the dots' in the startegic thinking of the early organization to the labour movement.

    Also didn't know how important Annie Besant was, so I'm very thankful to LS for his promptings that we do the research.

  32. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to TWINCANS For This Post:

    Lord Sidious (14th May 2011), sandy (15th May 2011), seko (14th May 2011)

  33. Link to Post #60
    Netherlands Avalon Member Gustav's Avatar
    Join Date
    29th January 2011
    Location
    at home, at ease and at rest
    Age
    41
    Posts
    268
    Thanks
    331
    Thanked 390 times in 174 posts

    Default Re: Background of George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)

    Quote Posted by TWINCANS (here)
    Sorry, yes he was in the Fabians but did leave them, ie quit the organization. Thought that was already covered but obviously not clearly. And that would indicate that he knew, and disagreed with their aims, yes.

    What I found interesting that I did not personally know was that Beatrice Potter (through her husband's seminal position in the Fabians) was the one that 'joined the dots' in the startegic thinking of the early organization to the labour movement.

    Also didn't know how important Annie Besant was, so I'm very thankful to LS for his promptings that we do the research.
    thanks for those names. Have no clue who Annie Besant was, but will look it up. Beatrice Potter, is she the woman that made all those lovely rabbit paintings and stories?

  34. The Following User Says Thank You to Gustav For This Post:

    TWINCANS (14th May 2011)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 10 FirstFirst 1 3 10 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts