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    Tss...spending the time reviewing the split of the Frankfurt School takes me back to my University years. Still, Ideology is a «Never Ending Story»....
    That would be worth a thread, that school.
    Hint, hint Maria.
    Do you really want me to go down that road, here in your thread ???....

    Step 1 - Understanding the Theory - What is the grail ? and Whom does it serve ?
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wz3YNMPMNzU

    Modernity may be described as the «age of ideology».
    Sociologically the term most generally refers to the social conditions, processes, and discourses consequent to the Age of Enlightenment. The failure of racionalism - the Wars. the Holocaust. the poor countries ,etc

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=opD9B...eature=related

    -- The Self Under Siege
    A very good lecture, clear and concise about Habermas (2 fase of the Frankfurt School)
    Orwell is mencioned in the last video. The author was very much influenced by this school of thought
    The F. School split in two during the 2 War. Some of the members went to USA and developed their theories there. Habermas belongs to the second momentum of this school.
    I meant you should start a thread about the frankfurt school, it is worthy of discussion and to bring to peoples attention the origins of political correctness and racism as concepts.

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    looking for links

    Annie Besant was part of the Fabian Society as Orwell was later. Annie Besan was also from the theosophy school and mentor of Krishnamurti, friend of Huxley, who went to Eton like Orwell (checked for Krihnamurti, he did not).

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Wbesant.htm

    Quote Like Catherine Booth of the Salvation Army, Annie was concerned about the health of young women workers at the Bryant & May match factory. On 23rd June, 1888, Annie published an article White Slavery in London where she drew attention to the dangers of phosphorus fumes and complained about the low wages paid to the women who worked at Bryant & May.

    Three women who provided information for Annie's article were sacked. Annie responded by helping the women at Bryant & May to form a Matchgirls Union. After a three week strike, the company was forced to make significant concessions including the re-employment the three victimized women.

    Besant also join the socialist group, the Fabian Society, and in 1889 contributed to the influencial book, Fabian Essays. As well as Besant, the book included articles by George Bernard Shaw, Sydney Webb, Sydney Olivier, Graham Wallas, William Clarke and Hubert Bland. Edited by Shaw, the book sold 27,000 copies in two years.

    In 1889 Annie Besant was elected to the London School Board. After heading the poll with a fifteen thousand majority over the next candidate, Besant argued that she had been given a mandate for large-scale reform of local schools. Some of her many achievements included a programme of free meals for undernourished children and free medical examinations for all those in elementary schools.

    In the 1890s Annie Besant became a supporter of Theosophy, a religious movement founded by Helena Blavatsky in 1875. Theosophy was based on Hindu ideas of karma and reincarnation with nirvana as the eventual aim. Besant went to live in India but she remained interested in the subject of women's rights. She continued to write letters to British newspapers arguing the case for women's suffrage and in 1911 was one of the main speakers at an important NUWSS rally in London.

    While in India, Annie joined the struggle for Indian Home Rule, and during the First World War was interned by the British authorities.

    Annie Besant died in India on 20th September 1933.




    Quote En 1938, Huxley se lie d’amitié avec J. Krishnamurti, dont il admirait les enseignements. Il devient en même temps un vedantiste dans le cercle de Swami Prabhavananda, et il initie Christopher Isherwood à ce même cercle. Huxley publiera en 1948 une anthologie des valeurs communes à certaines religions : La Philosophie éternelle, dans laquelle il discute des doctrines des grands courants mystiques.
    Orwell a snitch against other authors pro communists, had developed quite a distaste for Staline and communism, as well as fascism.

    He developed in 1984 the novalangue, which is a language that allows for fascism to take hold and remain, having different grammar rules that make thinking about impossible. Some authors (below) compare it to the way American described the wars in Irak, where language modifications makes it impossible to oppose the actual propaganda. He also compares it to the aglutinating languages such as turkish that have some of the characteristics of the novalangue in poetry.

    The way the novalangue is described in French texts makes me think of the way American use language as well as the way texting is used nowaday. Very revealing.

    I was looking for a link between theosophy, Huxley and Orwell, but I failed to find it.



    Quote Le but de la novlangue", écrit George Orwell dans son roman 1984
    ▪ "Le but de la novlangue", écrit George Orwell dans son roman 1984, "était non seulement de fournir un mode d'expression aux idées générales et aux habitudes mentales des dévots de l'Angsoc [le nom qu'a donné Orwell au régime en place dans 1984, NDLR.], mais de rendre impossible tout autre mode de pensée" ( Mecanopolis » La guerre civile à l’horizon de l’Europe, A regarder absolument !!! Maurice Papon, itinéraire d'un homme d'ordre : jeudi 14 avril 2011 à 22h50 sur France 2).

    Le chroniqueur William Pfaff,, a utilisé la citation d'Orwell pour décrire comment le gouvernement des Etats-Unis en est venu à soutenir inextricablement la base de Guantanamo, qu'il compare aux goulags de la Russie stalinienne -- à peine pire dans le sens où les condamnations au goulag, au moins, avaient une date de fin.

    Alors que fermer la base semble être devenu politiquement impossible, "on pourrait encore dire certaines choses utiles sur cette situation", écrit Pfaff avec un espoir qui s'amenuise. C'est "de toute évidence un phénomène à caractère totalitaire, imitant, en toute connaissance de cause, la destruction du cadre judiciaire dans le système nazi par des moyens d'emprisonnement arbitraires dans des camps de concentration et par des méthodes généralisées dans la pratique de la Gestapo et des SS ; et dans la Russie stalinienne par sa police secrète et ses camps de travaux forcés".
    http://citoyenactif.20minutes-blogs....-roman-19.html

    Quote Constatant que « la première victime de la guerre, c’est la grammaire », Terry Jones se met en devoir de traquer les symptômes de cette « guerre des mots » secrètement déclarée à l’opinion publique par les spin doctors de la Maison Blanche et de Downing Street.

    « Mon dictionnaire, écrit-il lors du déclenchement de l’offensive contre l’Irak, définit une “guerre” comme un “conflit ouvert, armé, entre deux parties, nations ou États”. Dès lors, larguer des bombes, protégé par l’altitude, sur une population déjà en difficulté, aux infrastructures ruinées par des années de sanctions et vivant sous la coupe d’un régime oppressif, ce n’est pas une “guerre”. C’est du tir aux pigeons. »

    Voilà qui n’est pas sans rappeler Orwell qui écrivait déjà dans La politique et la langue anglaise : « Des villages sans défense subissent des bombardements aériens, leurs habitants sont chassés dans les campagnes, leur bétail est mitraillé, leurs huttes sont détruites par des bombes incendiaires : cela s’appelle la pacification. Des milliers de paysans sont expulsés de leur ferme et jetés sur les routes sans autre viatique que ce qu’ils peuvent emporter : cela s’appelle un transfert de population ou une rectification de frontière. Des gens sont emprisonnés sans jugement pendant des années, ou abattus d’une balle dans la nuque, ou envoyés dans les camps [...] : cela s’appelle l’élimination des éléments suspects. Cette phraséologie est nécessaire si l’on veut nommer les choses sans évoquer les images mentales correspondantes ».
    http://citron-vert.info/spip.php?article558
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    Althusser's Concept of Ideology, where there is a social subject that cannot be free could be related to kirshnamurti teaching about one being programmed and having to see its own programm in order to free onself from it. I think however that I am stretching it. However, Althusser's Concept of Ideology and novalangue and Orwell is obvious.

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    looking for links

    Annie Besant was part of the Fabian Society as Orwell was later. Annie Besan was also from the theosophy school and mentor of Krishnamurti, friend of Huxley, who went to Eton like Orwell (checked for Krihnamurti, he did not).

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Wbesant.htm

    Quote Like Catherine Booth of the Salvation Army, Annie was concerned about the health of young women workers at the Bryant & May match factory. On 23rd June, 1888, Annie published an article White Slavery in London where she drew attention to the dangers of phosphorus fumes and complained about the low wages paid to the women who worked at Bryant & May.

    Three women who provided information for Annie's article were sacked. Annie responded by helping the women at Bryant & May to form a Matchgirls Union. After a three week strike, the company was forced to make significant concessions including the re-employment the three victimized women.

    Besant also join the socialist group, the Fabian Society, and in 1889 contributed to the influencial book, Fabian Essays. As well as Besant, the book included articles by George Bernard Shaw, Sydney Webb, Sydney Olivier, Graham Wallas, William Clarke and Hubert Bland. Edited by Shaw, the book sold 27,000 copies in two years.

    In 1889 Annie Besant was elected to the London School Board. After heading the poll with a fifteen thousand majority over the next candidate, Besant argued that she had been given a mandate for large-scale reform of local schools. Some of her many achievements included a programme of free meals for undernourished children and free medical examinations for all those in elementary schools.

    In the 1890s Annie Besant became a supporter of Theosophy, a religious movement founded by Helena Blavatsky in 1875. Theosophy was based on Hindu ideas of karma and reincarnation with nirvana as the eventual aim. Besant went to live in India but she remained interested in the subject of women's rights. She continued to write letters to British newspapers arguing the case for women's suffrage and in 1911 was one of the main speakers at an important NUWSS rally in London.

    While in India, Annie joined the struggle for Indian Home Rule, and during the First World War was interned by the British authorities.

    Annie Besant died in India on 20th September 1933.




    Quote En 1938, Huxley se lie d’amitié avec J. Krishnamurti, dont il admirait les enseignements. Il devient en même temps un vedantiste dans le cercle de Swami Prabhavananda, et il initie Christopher Isherwood à ce même cercle. Huxley publiera en 1948 une anthologie des valeurs communes à certaines religions : La Philosophie éternelle, dans laquelle il discute des doctrines des grands courants mystiques.
    Orwell a snitch against other authors pro communists, had developed quite a distaste for Staline and communism, as well as fascism.

    He developed in 1984 the novalangue, which is a language that allows for fascism to take hold and remain, having different grammar rules that make thinking about impossible. Some authors (below) compare it to the way American described the wars in Irak, where language modifications makes it impossible to oppose the actual propaganda. He also compares it to the aglutinating languages such as turkish that have some of the characteristics of the novalangue in poetry.

    The way the novalangue is described in French texts makes me think of the way American use language as well as the way texting is used nowaday. Very revealing.

    I was looking for a link between theosophy, Huxley and Orwell, but I failed to find it.



    Quote Le but de la novlangue", écrit George Orwell dans son roman 1984
    ▪ "Le but de la novlangue", écrit George Orwell dans son roman 1984, "était non seulement de fournir un mode d'expression aux idées générales et aux habitudes mentales des dévots de l'Angsoc [le nom qu'a donné Orwell au régime en place dans 1984, NDLR.], mais de rendre impossible tout autre mode de pensée" ( Mecanopolis » La guerre civile à l’horizon de l’Europe, A regarder absolument !!! Maurice Papon, itinéraire d'un homme d'ordre : jeudi 14 avril 2011 à 22h50 sur France 2).

    Le chroniqueur William Pfaff,, a utilisé la citation d'Orwell pour décrire comment le gouvernement des Etats-Unis en est venu à soutenir inextricablement la base de Guantanamo, qu'il compare aux goulags de la Russie stalinienne -- à peine pire dans le sens où les condamnations au goulag, au moins, avaient une date de fin.

    Alors que fermer la base semble être devenu politiquement impossible, "on pourrait encore dire certaines choses utiles sur cette situation", écrit Pfaff avec un espoir qui s'amenuise. C'est "de toute évidence un phénomène à caractère totalitaire, imitant, en toute connaissance de cause, la destruction du cadre judiciaire dans le système nazi par des moyens d'emprisonnement arbitraires dans des camps de concentration et par des méthodes généralisées dans la pratique de la Gestapo et des SS ; et dans la Russie stalinienne par sa police secrète et ses camps de travaux forcés".
    http://citoyenactif.20minutes-blogs....-roman-19.html

    Quote Constatant que « la première victime de la guerre, c’est la grammaire », Terry Jones se met en devoir de traquer les symptômes de cette « guerre des mots » secrètement déclarée à l’opinion publique par les spin doctors de la Maison Blanche et de Downing Street.

    « Mon dictionnaire, écrit-il lors du déclenchement de l’offensive contre l’Irak, définit une “guerre” comme un “conflit ouvert, armé, entre deux parties, nations ou États”. Dès lors, larguer des bombes, protégé par l’altitude, sur une population déjà en difficulté, aux infrastructures ruinées par des années de sanctions et vivant sous la coupe d’un régime oppressif, ce n’est pas une “guerre”. C’est du tir aux pigeons. »

    Voilà qui n’est pas sans rappeler Orwell qui écrivait déjà dans La politique et la langue anglaise : « Des villages sans défense subissent des bombardements aériens, leurs habitants sont chassés dans les campagnes, leur bétail est mitraillé, leurs huttes sont détruites par des bombes incendiaires : cela s’appelle la pacification. Des milliers de paysans sont expulsés de leur ferme et jetés sur les routes sans autre viatique que ce qu’ils peuvent emporter : cela s’appelle un transfert de population ou une rectification de frontière. Des gens sont emprisonnés sans jugement pendant des années, ou abattus d’une balle dans la nuque, ou envoyés dans les camps [...] : cela s’appelle l’élimination des éléments suspects. Cette phraséologie est nécessaire si l’on veut nommer les choses sans évoquer les images mentales correspondantes ».
    http://citron-vert.info/spip.php?article558
    sorry haven't got the hang of editing quotes. however this is a point i have made on several threads regarding language. More and more of our media use language which is metanymical rather than using exact words and inferances. Thus you cannot break it down accurately and attack it. This makes both discourse and dissent almost impossible.

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    Quote sorry haven't got the hang of editing quotes. however this is a point i have made on several threads regarding language. More and more of our media use language which is metanymical rather than using exact words and inferances. Thus you cannot break it down accurately and attack it. This makes both discourse and dissent almost impossible

    yes and Chomsky, the linguist and leftist, knows quite a lot about this, here a co forum post

    Quote Originally Posted by MariaDine
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=WveI_...eature=related

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=kawGakdNoT0

    This is an excerpt from the Chomsky-Foucault debate .

    Lately, Chomsky has argued that the mass media in the United States largely serve as a propaganda arm and «bought priesthood« of the U.S. government and U.S. corporations, with the three parties intertwined through common interests.
    In a famous reference to Walter Lippmann, Chomsky along with his coauthor Edward S. Herman has written that the American media manufactures consent among the public.
    Chomsky has condemned the 2010 supreme court ruling revoking the limits on campaign finance, calling it "corporate takeover of democracy."
    Taking into account that almost all media are now owned by 7 individuals in US,(see Carmody's post) it makes it extremely easy to reduce the grammar to its minimum and only to its emotional components. Activating the masses is therefore very easy (see Bernays).

    The term priesthood comes to Chomsky, theosophy is linked to the Fabian society somehow, and Orwell is writing against fascism and endoctrination, something somewhere is linked that is religious in purpose. My intuition.
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    Tss...spending the time reviewing the split of the Frankfurt School takes me back to my University years. Still, Ideology is a «Never Ending Story»....
    That would be worth a thread, that school.
    Hint, hint Maria.
    Do you really want me to go down that road, here in your thread ???....

    Step 1 - Understanding the Theory - What is the grail ? and Whom does it serve ?
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wz3YNMPMNzU

    Modernity may be described as the «age of ideology».
    Sociologically the term most generally refers to the social conditions, processes, and discourses consequent to the Age of Enlightenment. The failure of racionalism - the Wars. the Holocaust. the poor countries ,etc

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=opD9B...eature=related

    -- The Self Under Siege
    A very good lecture, clear and concise about Habermas (2 fase of the Frankfurt School)
    Orwell is mencioned in the last video. The author was very much influenced by this school of thought
    The F. School split in two during the 2 War. Some of the members went to USA and developed their theories there. Habermas belongs to the second momentum of this school.
    I meant you should start a thread about the frankfurt school, it is worthy of discussion and to bring to peoples attention the origins of political correctness and racism as concepts.

    One can only tslk about racism after understanding the what an Ideology is and how it is a tool (instrumental) for changing the struture of society.

    Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment (which some regard as "discrimination") of members of that race.

    The term is commonly used negatively and is usually associated with race-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings.

    Racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, in particular to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

    Several definitions are given -

    That Racism is the belief

    -that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races" and the expression of such prejudice.

    - that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and alternatively that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.

    - that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

    As an ideology, racism existed during the 19th century as "scientific racism", which attempted to provide a racial classification of humanity. Although such racist ideologies have been widely discredited after World War II and the Holocaust, racism and racial discrimination have remained widespread around the world.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Even though i am not going to do the story of (the ideology) racism, I have to point out thatt were the Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat's blood is not red, but blue.

    The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback.

    They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin--proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy.

    They came up with «Limpieza de sangre» which means "cleanliness of blood" and this played an important role in modern Iberian history.
    It referred to those who were considered pure "Old Christians", without Jewish or Muslim ancestors.

    And this was the «OFICIAL» Historical genesis of Blue Blood.

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    [QUOTE=MariaDine;219287][QUOTE=Lord Sidious;219195]
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    Tss...spending the time reviewing the split of the Frankfurt School takes me back to my University years. Still, Ideology is a «Never Ending Story»....
    That would be worth a thread, that school.
    Hint, hint Maria.

    They came up with «Limpieza de sangre» which means "cleanliness of blood" and this played an important role in modern Iberian history.
    It referred to those who were considered pure "Old Christians", without Jewish or Muslim ancestors.
    And this was the «OFICIAL» Historical genesis of Blue Blood.
    I just understood where that feeling or religion was from: it was not religion but racism tied to religion. I must have been blind, you had spelled it just before my post.

    It would be neat to explore the implication of the loss of adequate language to communicate in the power game of PTB.

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    Tss...spending the time reviewing the split of the Frankfurt School takes me back to my University years. Still, Ideology is a «Never Ending Story»....
    That would be worth a thread, that school.
    Hint, hint Maria.
    Do you really want me to go down that road, here in your thread ???....

    Step 1 - Understanding the Theory - What is the grail ? and Whom does it serve ?
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wz3YNMPMNzU

    Modernity may be described as the «age of ideology».
    Sociologically the term most generally refers to the social conditions, processes, and discourses consequent to the Age of Enlightenment. The failure of racionalism - the Wars. the Holocaust. the poor countries ,etc

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=opD9B...eature=related

    -- The Self Under Siege
    A very good lecture, clear and concise about Habermas (2 fase of the Frankfurt School)
    Orwell is mencioned in the last video. The author was very much influenced by this school of thought
    The F. School split in two during the 2 War. Some of the members went to USA and developed their theories there. Habermas belongs to the second momentum of this school.
    I meant you should start a thread about the frankfurt school, it is worthy of discussion and to bring to peoples attention the origins of political correctness and racism as concepts.

    One can only tslk about racism after understanding the what an Ideology is and how it is a tool (instrumental) for changing the struture of society.

    Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment (which some regard as "discrimination") of members of that race.

    The term is commonly used negatively and is usually associated with race-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings.

    Racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, in particular to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.

    Several definitions are given -

    That Racism is the belief

    -that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races" and the expression of such prejudice.

    - that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and alternatively that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.

    - that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

    As an ideology, racism existed during the 19th century as "scientific racism", which attempted to provide a racial classification of humanity. Although such racist ideologies have been widely discredited after World War II and the Holocaust, racism and racial discrimination have remained widespread around the world.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Even though i am not going to do the story of (the ideology) racism, I have to point out thatt were the Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat's blood is not red, but blue.

    The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback.

    They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin--proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy.

    They came up with «Limpieza de sangre» which means "cleanliness of blood" and this played an important role in modern Iberian history.
    It referred to those who were considered pure "Old Christians", without Jewish or Muslim ancestors.

    And this was the «OFICIAL» Historical genesis of Blue Blood.
    That isn't what racism meant when the term was coined.
    That is why I said we should have a thread for the frankfurt school, so we could discuss it and its ideologies.
    Would it be ok with you to have these bits seperated into a stand alone thread Maria?
    It is worth its own thread, most don't know of the frankfurt school.

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    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.


    edit) I have an incomplete series of volumes of his collected letters and his anxiety communicated to confidants at this time is palpable.
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    Good idea, Sid Vicious... erh... sorry... Lord Sidious. The Frankfurtschool keeps coming up all the time. Lets dig.

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    Quote Posted by Metaphor (here)
    Good idea, Sid Vicious... erh... sorry... Lord Sidious. The Frankfurtschool keeps coming up all the time. Lets dig.
    Might as well go the whole hog and add the Sorbonne too

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    Quote Posted by dan i el (here)
    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.
    Never heard that one before.
    Thanks for that, it sounds about right.

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    Quote Posted by dan i el (here)
    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.
    Never heard that one before.
    Thanks for that, it sounds about right.
    The trad version is that he became nonplussed in his govt. psych job marketing fatty gristle to housewives as healthy and it was a marked slippery slope to chronic rebellion from there on in...but that in itself might just be a lightweight anecdote poured around literary circles..iunno

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    Quote Posted by dan i el (here)
    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by dan i el (here)
    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.
    Never heard that one before.
    Thanks for that, it sounds about right.
    The trad version is that he became nonplussed in his govt. psych job marketing fatty gristle to housewives as healthy and it was a marked slippery slope to chronic rebellion from there on in...but that in itself might just be a lightweight anecdote poured around literary circles..iunno
    Yeah, sounds like a snow job to me.

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    Quote Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
    Quote Posted by dan i el (here)
    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.
    Never heard that one before.
    Thanks for that, it sounds about right.
    The trad version is that he became nonplussed in his govt. psych job marketing fatty gristle to housewives as healthy and it was a marked slippery slope to chronic rebellion from there on in...but that in itself might just be a lightweight anecdote poured around literary circles..iunno
    Yeah, sounds like a snow job to me.
    Yes, he seems like he was the innate archetypal rebel to me, Eton or not...a good one that didn't turn tail and return to the fold.

    edit) in terms of apprehensions that some may hold as to the alleged Fabian/international communist agenda sub-narratives to his work, imho, one only has to read "Homage to Catalonia" to understand where he was coming from. of course, "Animal Farm" works too but sometimes people claim it a double bluff -- which, personally, I think is quite a numb pov lol
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    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.
    Never heard that one before.
    Thanks for that, it sounds about right.
    The trad version is that he became nonplussed in his govt. psych job marketing fatty gristle to housewives as healthy and it was a marked slippery slope to chronic rebellion from there on in...but that in itself might just be a lightweight anecdote poured around literary circles..iunno
    Yeah, sounds like a snow job to me.
    Yes, he seems like he was the innate archetypal rebel to me, Eton or not...a good one that didn't turn tail and return to the fold.
    Like many whistleblowers, he knew that to just come out and write a book would not only get him killed, it might not get published.
    So, he wrote it as faction.
    There is another clue for you good avalonuggets.

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    One wonders if racism and bloodlines have something to do with each other. Not so much race or skin color prejudice but against the bloodline associations with any given race.

    It seems there were some who were hell bent on destroying certain races. Why? The Irish and the Native American cultures were not treated so very differently in terms of conquer. And prior to the introduction of Christianity, Celtic culture was not so very different than Native American culture-- when you get past surface details the two are nearly indistinguishable.

    When I began reading this thread it popped into my head (pop) that Orwell may have associations with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who was well known for his Sherlock Holmes stories but less well known for this Theosophical activities. I didn't find any associations between the two men, but maybe one is not so far off with the Theosophical element?

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    Just a 2c as the thread is very academic and I don't want to sully that..

    I read, a number of times, that, after the publication of 1984, Blair retreated to Dura for fear of assassination, and although the boat from the mainland was only once a month, or so, he diligently would meet it at the harbour, from a distance, to try and see if there were any would be M15 assassins among those arriving.
    Never heard that one before.
    Thanks for that, it sounds about right.
    The trad version is that he became nonplussed in his govt. psych job marketing fatty gristle to housewives as healthy and it was a marked slippery slope to chronic rebellion from there on in...but that in itself might just be a lightweight anecdote poured around literary circles..iunno
    Yeah, sounds like a snow job to me.
    Yes, he seems like he was the innate archetypal rebel to me, Eton or not...a good one that didn't turn tail and return to the fold.
    Like many whistleblowers, he knew that to just come out and write a book would not only get him killed, it might not get published.
    So, he wrote it as faction.
    There is another clue for you good avalonuggets.
    Please confirm that you are not talkng about Starwars now

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    It's not unusual to fictionalize 'truth' either by intent or accidentally. I slide certain truths in my writing and I'm not afraid to reveal them because most of the sheep will ignore it but its nearly a beacon for other people who are of a more clear minded intent. The truth isn't so much hidden its ignored or dismissed as fictionalized.

    Someones idea for a great story may not be an 'idea' at all and Star Wars is an example of certain truths about our nature. I work with what I call 'clear' martial artists, that allow spiritual and mental energies to work through their bodies, or rather have kept the spiritual aspect of the art in their expression. They really ID with Star Wars because there is a basic undeniable truth. Is Chi so very different from the Force? No. You can draw energy from anything and you can see with your eyes closed. I'm not referring to people who want to get a black belt to bolster their self esteem like they do here in America but people who are more of the warrior monk ilk.

    Star Wars also retained a certain element of co-creation that our modern new agey world shrinks from --applied FORCE, (Violence). People shrink from the word not realizing its a necessary part of co creation. Its one you have to be careful with as Yoda attempted to express to where its not ruling you. You contain it, it doesn't consume you. Like Fire. Like anything else really.

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    I also couldn't find any associations to the Theosophical movement, or the Anthroposophical movement for that matter. The Fabian Society doesn't really 'fit' with the other 2 which are very much based on Spiritualism as I remember them.

    Is anyone able to find a link between Fabianism and Theosophy? Because they coexisted in the same time and place(s) and shared at least some members you would think there's a link.

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