26. Timelines, Free Will and Karma.

[pie'n'eal]

Timelines, Free will and Karma.

Let us say that timelines do exist, that there are parallel realities.
And that one can choose a different reality.

I have no experience (or memory) of this, so I'm just
wanting to some clarification on the practicalities.

How can one choose a timeline?
Which one?
I do not know or understand all the possibilities and alternatives?

I am told and believe advanced practitioners can choose their next
rebirth, but us ordinary practitioners are driven by karma.
Karma meaning the mind imprinted with fixed ideas which control our reactions,
we still believe everything around us is real, though in theory we know it is not.

In the moments before reincarnation, because of our past reactions
we can easily mistake a nice looking place
for a dung heap, and a strife-ridden place as beautiful.

Which bring us to free will. Until we are free from the power of our habitual
thoughts and emotions we are not free. We are biased and not at all free in will.

We have the potential for free will, to transcend karma and be able to choose.
But here comes another point, our intention. Is the action for ours or others benefit?

Yesterday we looked at enemies as friends.
We should take a look at friends!

Friends can really sharpen you up. Why? Because they agree too readily. What is agreed to, readily tends to rounded off at the corners of perception. Friends can come and go, wishing it to be otherwise....is not wise.

A so-called enemy glaringly show you your faults...wow!
So-called friends can make us feel nice...oh!?
Being nice, is nice, it's wonderful. We put our hands together, pray together chant together, but it can become ritualistic. The form can take over the meaning, believe me this happens!

Do not leave your brains on the door step.
Derren Brown the illusionist, shows how easily we can be unconsciously manipulated, we actually like it, but it is insane.
Do not leave your brains on the door step.

Whatever you think, there is always a higher view. Concepts cannot by fought with high scholarly concepts. To find out what works for you, you have to do some digging. If one just says, “I know what works for me”. Me reply is, “How big is your picture?”

Keep sharp

pie'n'al

[Lord Sidious]

I would have thought that changing the way things are in the timeline you were in if not THE test, was at least a huge part of it.
Attempting to get out of that by taking yourself to another one would surely be selfish and an instant fail?
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I would have thought that changing the way things are in the timeline you were in if not THE test, was at least a huge part of it.
Attempting to get out of that by taking yourself to another one would surely be selfish and an instant fail?
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?

Young man, I totally agree!!!

[Calz]

Lot of interesting posts in Omni's thread regarding timelines.

Why not "jump" on over there to see for yourselves?


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...m-of-timelines....

[9eagle9]

Consider this.

Would the timeline of someone who has made an effort to free themselves from the habits of thoughts already have a different preexisting timeline than those who have have not imposed will to power?

I look out of my reality and see a place out there where people are deaf to what animals say, die of cancer and other ailments . No expression of will. I find that bizarre and unnatural. That one cannot hear an animal speak and die of diseases that to my perception are as unnecessary, artificial, and weird as dying from bubble gum exposure. When I view these conditions I have a whole new meaning given to the word 'alien'. That's not my reality (or timeline?) Does it mean I'm WRONG? I didn't make a choice per say, not a conscious one to change a reality or timeline, but consciously chose to remove conditions from my self that effected my quality of life. My reality would seem to be a natural occurring expression of removing those conditions. I expected it no more than I expected the sun to rise in the west.

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Consider this.

Would the timeline of someone who has made an effort to free themselves from the habits of thoughts already have a different preexisting timeline than those who have have not imposed will to power?

I look out of my reality and see a place out there where people are deaf to what animals say, die of cancer and other ailments . No expression of will. I find that bizarre and unnatural. That one cannot hear an animal speak and die of diseases that to my perception are as unnecessary, artificial, and weird as dying from bubble gum exposure. When I view these conditions I have a whole new meaning given to the word 'alien'. That's not my reality (or timeline?) Does it mean I'm WRONG? I didn't make a choice per say, not a conscious one to change a reality or timeline, but consciously chose to remove conditions from my self that effected my quality of life. My reality would seem to be a natural occurring expression of removing those conditions. I expected it no more than I expected the sun to rise in the west.

Dear 9eagle9,

Sounds right.

I look at my brother and watch his theme-of-life (timeline?) and wonder, if I had not turned to the spiritual aspect of life would my life be the same as his. The answer is YES! My family spent all their time arguing.

It's such a relief to have changed. However, we no longer talk. As the karma peels away, a refinement seems to take place. We become more sensitive, this can put us out of kilter with the world around us.

That's where compassion comes in... the strong serve the weak! Therefore, I suppose, the meek shall inherit the Earth. Meek doesn't mean weak!!!

Actually, love hurts. The more the joy the more the sadness.

All the very best
pie'n'eal

[Mad Hatter]

Once again Mad Hatter slips on his contrarian hat...

In reference to Karma and as such what is oft termed the great Karmic Wheel of life...
Does not a wheel go round in circles?
What sort of intelligence is it that chooses to do just that?

cheers

[pie'n'eal]

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Once again Mad Hatter slips on his contrarian hat...

In reference to Karma and as such what is oft termed the great Karmic Wheel of life...
Does not a wheel go round in circles?
What sort of intelligence is it that chooses to do just that?

cheers

Dear Mad Hatter,

Run of the mill.....ignorance!

[Gaia]

I believe that we have a natural course to follow in life, something like a highway. But beyond this path exist other paths, such as short-cuts, u-turns and stops. Things do happen, which are out of our control, but we always have a choice in how we respond to them.

[9eagle9]

Depends on how you view karma. Karma in it's orignal whole form and functional meaning which lends great influence on one's life or Karma in the Westernized New Agey sense that is all over the board, up to personal opinion and has no functional value whatsoever other than it seems to create more victims and martyrs?

The original concept of Karma was making the conscious choice to remove that which blocked will from converting to power. The original sutra spoke of emptying the soul. Westerners don't like the idea of walking around with an empty soul , so the original functional if somewhat polemically expressed precept was discarded for one that is basically created upon one's personal whim.

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Once again Mad Hatter slips on his contrarian hat...

In reference to Karma and as such what is oft termed the great Karmic Wheel of life...
Does not a wheel go round in circles?
What sort of intelligence is it that chooses to do just that?

cheers

Dear Mad Hatter,

Run of the mill.....ignorance!

[pie'n'eal]

Couldn't have put it better!

Kind regards
Pie'n'Eal

[Mad Hatter]

Hi pie'n'eal,

If by that you are implying that my question stems from...

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Run of the mill.....ignorance!

then I say touche and I look forward to being enlightened further...

If what I put forward was viewed more from the concept of if I've made some form of prior agreement to come and play in this plane, with full knowledge of the Karmic process and it's relative downside with respect to collecting Karmic debt then the percieved potential payoff for undertaking such a task must have exceeded the percieved risk otherwise I'd have to be either ignorant or crazy to accept the terms and conditions, no?

So am I crazy / ignorant for choosing to be here? Was I deceived from a yet higher level when signing up for this tour of duty? Or is it I am confident of success in the mission?

Simply food for thought...

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The original sutra spoke of emptying the soul. Westerners don't like the idea of walking around with an empty soul

I admit I have not had the pleasure of reading the original sutra but that analogy seems to imply getting the ego under control to remove the illusion and if that interpretation is correct there would appear to be some westerners attempting to do that, despite the new age translations... Of course I could be way off base as most days I have trouble finding the ballpark, thus always appreciate being pointed in the right direction.

cheers

[Calz]

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Once again Mad Hatter slips on his contrarian hat...

Would that be a "one" or "zero"???

Enjoy it while you can ... gets a lot more complex when you hit "hexadecimal"



Every once in awhile I simply cannot control myself

Every time I see your (rockin) avatar I back to my computer programming days

All better now ... back to topic

[9eagle9]

Some westerners are attempting to belay the ego by direct means. And most are attempting to belay the ego in ways that will cause it to expand.

We had a consciousness shift with the introduction of duality, and again when imposing dualistic religion on us. This caused an overgrowth of ego.

We're doing it again. Consciousness shifting or expansion isn't quite as beneficial as some would believe.

Look at the word Legion. What does it mean.

Look at the word RE-Legion.

and?

[Calz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Some westerners are attempting to belay the ego by direct means. And most are attempting to belay the ego in ways that will cause it to expand.

We had a consciousness shift with the introduction of duality, and again when imposing dualistic religion on us. This caused an overgrowth of ego.

We're doing it again. Consciousness shifting or expansion isn't quite as beneficial as some would believe.

Look at the word Legion. What does it mean.

Look at the word RE-Legion.

and?

Ohhh ... that was a good one.

My ego tried desperately to put it's hand over my eyes.

Hmmmm.

[ulli]

the quickening is upon us
...

choices are:

ainkiler:


there are more choices, as always,
plus the "sit and meditate"

but only 7 icons allowed...
Avalon has to expand it's territory...

ulli putting on her Herr Hitler hat...

[ulli]

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Once again Mad Hatter slips on his contrarian hat...

In reference to Karma and as such what is oft termed the great Karmic Wheel of life...
Does not a wheel go round in circles?
What sort of intelligence is it that chooses to do just that?

cheers

the intelligence that misses the point...
instead of going cosmic with one single step
it's incarnation after incarnation, after incarnation
and when you finally get there, they tell you
you have to come back ONE MORE TIME...
AS A MAN!!!!
as ONLY males can be freed from the 'round and 'round....

Mad Hatter: you have a chance, at least.
ulli does not!!

ulli wonders what those Tibetans have to say about sex change transexuals?

[9eagle9]

Choices may have very well gotten us in the confusion we're in now.

Say that we have oh randomly 12 conditions or tools of formation that work together to create (a timeline for instance).

Tools are used for creation with another tool, or singularly for maintenance.

So an herbalist will demonstrate this by using one herb as a companion to another. The act of doing this reflects the process of creating a unified field. The two plants are working in unity with the herbalist, then with the patient . I'll stop there but with the addition of the remaining tools you have a whole and complete process of creation.

With one tool you are just maintaining pre existing conditions. With a saw and a screwdriver you can put boards together to form a doghouse. You can maintain what holds the dog house together with a screwdriver but you can't create the doghouse with JUST a screwdriver.

When are tools were divided from each other folks seized on them and created a separate schism around them to further keep the tools from each other. We acknowledge and venerate the SAW and deny the existence of the screwdriver.

Then because the SAW isn't able to create on its own more dogma is added to it to prop up it's failing. The SAW will become whole again in 2010. Someone decided by verbally changing the nature and conditions of the tools they'd work again. This is the creation of delusion (illusion). Tools in their whole form functionality is creation of reality.

[norman]

Posted by Lord Sidious (here)
I would have thought that changing the way things are in the timeline you were in if not THE test, was at least a huge part of it.
Attempting to get out of that by taking yourself to another one would surely be selfish and an instant fail?
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick here?

You surpised me with this post Lord of the Sith. I must not have been paying attention to enough of your posts in the past.

You just said exactly what's on my mind about this subject.

If it's the wrong end of the stick, we're both on it.

[Mad Hatter]

Well ulli this mere male is pretty sure source / god / ? is a girl with a really really wicked sense of humour... so I wouldn't fret too much.

Calz_ I owe you one laptop full of coffee... delivered in Octal of course...