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    Quote Posted by Andrew (here)
    Found this link on J P Farrel's site

    This is an old German UFA documentary of the German Antarctic Expedition of 1938


    Source: Watch on Vimeo



    I found this 16mm old film at a antique shop in Denmark. When I watched it I was some what amazed. It seems to be a documentary of The German Antarctic Expedition 1938-1939.

    On 17 December 1938 the New Swabia Expedition left Hamburg for Antarctica aboard the Schwabenland, a freighter capable of carrying and catapulting aircraft.

    The expedition had 33 members plus the Schwabenland's crew of 24. In January 1939 the ship arrived in an area already claimed in 1938 by Norway as Dronning Maud Land.

    There they found some massive underground caves and apparently they build a Nazi city-like bunker there.
    Here is some commentary from Joseph Farrell's site regarding the videos:


    I (MAY) STAND CORRECTED! NEW VIDEOS OF THE GERMAN EXPEDITION TO ANTARCTICA, 1938-1939


    As many of you who’ve read my books on the Nazi aspect of this big story know, I have long maintained serious doubts about the claims that during their 1938-1939 expedition to Antarctica they began the establishment of large bases there, and continued to do so during the war. My chief reason for opposition to this long-standing myth has been that operationally, it would have placed severe limitations on the German Kriegsmarine during the war. Additionally I have also maintained that the idea of a large research facility in Antarctica was also very dubious, since the advanced physics projects such as the Bell and so on would have required enormous electrical power, taxing those meager naval resources even more, for imagining shuttling by U-Boat from Germany the construction crews, technicians, and equipment to make all of it possible.

    With that in mind, watch these(they’re about 12 minutes in length, total). I apologize as I have not had the time to translated the various title cards that appear in the newsreels, but here, the message is in the pictures anyway.

    First, let me say that there is no question in my mind that we are looking at actual authentic UFA newsreels of the 1939-1939 Ritscher Expedition to the southern-most continent.

    It is this that makes the comparison between the two films interesting, for in the second, shorter film, one is given the impression that the expedition was conducted by a U-Boat, when in fact, the first film gets that part of the story correct: the expedition was led by Captain Ritscher, and it was mounted from a large sea-plane tender ship. But what I find really really interesting in the second film are the images. One sees clear evidence that the Nazis found large caves there, exactly as has always been maintained by the “Nazi Antarctica Myth.”

    But then the film shows some truly remarkable thins, and does so without commentary; after showing us various pictures of large caves in Antarctica, it then goes on to show blueprints for a large underground bunker or factory, and then its actual construction in Germany. It shows after this a picture of research facilities – again without commentary – with what appears to be two very large Van de Graf generators or Tesla coils (I forget which, at the moment). But the important point here is that it shows research facilities and electrical equipment.

    All of this, of course, suggests that indeed the Nazis had plans for Antarctica, and that those plans exceeded those of using that continent merely as a U-Boat base.

    The first film does not show or say anything else, but this is the clear impression that it gives. There is the usual statement by Reichsminister Goebbels at the beginning of the film, the endless music of Wagner playing in the background. The difference between these two films suggests that the first one may never have seen the theater, for it is very revealing; the second film contains little to none of the imagery of the first: no blueprints for underground factories, no construction of the same in Nazi Germany, no Tesla coils or Van de Graf generators, no hints of research facilities.

    Whether or not the Nazis ever did succeed in the plans suggested by the first film is not, for the moment, here at issue, for the first film does in a way corroborate the persistent legend aboutr Nazi survival in Antarctica, and it is true that the size of the caves depicted in the film could easily shelter a fairly substantial number of people. Sustaining them would have been the problem.

    We are left again, with a maybe of Nazi survival in Antarctica, a maybe that could, might, just slimly support the idea of some sort of research facility, though that maybe just now grew a lot stronger.


    http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/05/i-m...ica-1938-1939/
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    There are more differences within a so called 'race' than between 'races'. I think it was Franz Fannon who said " the black man is not, any more than the white man." I am european, but I tan easily and deeply, does that mean I'm a part time Asian?

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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Clearly they would have had plenty of time to "see the handwriting on the wall" and protect their most precious assets.
    Most definitely. They had spies all over the place and used Astrology/Numerology. I'm in the UK and in school I hated History because it was all about WWI WWII and 1920's America. I liked much older history. What we were taught was something any Brit can quote you. Gravillo Princip of the Black Hand shot ArchDuke Franz Ferdinand which kicked off WWI. Hitler rose to power and was pissed off about not winning WWI so he invaded the Rhineland to test the reserve of the Brits. We went down the dead end of appeasement and showed weakness and WWII started. That's essentially what we get taught. Then it moves on to Nazis are evil dumbasses and lots of Jews died.
    After that we have a collective conditioning that anyone who mentions Nazis is an ignorant racist bigot who should be avoided at all costs. So it's not something your average Brit would choose to look in to.

    It's only because I'm reading this book about the expeditions to Tibet that I'm starting to see things that don't tally up with that explanation of history. I'll pull some quotes out of it later on and post them in here.

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    There are more differences within a so called 'race' than between 'races'. I think it was Franz Fannon who said " the black man is not, any more than the white man." I am european, but I tan easily and deeply, does that mean I'm a part time Asian?
    Hi Ade, as far as I know, white people are Asian. Hence, CaucAsian. This isn't about race though and every time this conversation comes up, it gets turned into a race debate which always ends up in flaming and stupidity. There must be a reason for that. Those that look in to it do see that there is a topic we're being prevented from broaching as the Racist Hammer hovers above waiting for some well meaning person to invoke it. Ultimately, we are talking about the physical world where race exists but we haven't forgotten that underneath it all is the world of spirit where all are one.

    If you haven't already, please read the whole thread. There's some awesome information in here. Infact, I'm going to re-read it today. =]
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    Okay avalon nuggets (*shiver* ... I sure miss Rob)

    Here is text from Jay Weidner regarding the Aryans.

    He has two interviews on Veritas (the older one May 28th 2010 is the one he goes more into this sort of topics).


    Disclosure: Aryans, Mars and the End of Days

    An interview with Jay Weidner
    Part 2

    Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.

    Lance: O.K. Good, good.

    Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.

    But this group apparently knows all of the knowledge of the past, maybe as far back as several hundred thousand years. And they live here, on Earth; and they have lived here for a long time. But they've lived separately; until about 6, 000 years ago, they lived separately from us - some place on Earth, in a very nice place.

    But, about 6, 000 years ago, the first of many alarms went off. And these alarms have to do with the advance of what we call the end of the Kali Yuga.

    Now, the beginning of the Kali Yuga was right near the beginning of the Mayan calendar, 3114 B.C. And it was the beginning of cities and writing and kingships and slavery and women as chattel and animal husbandry and farming and wars and walled cities and writing and science.

    And all those things actually began at the beginning of the Kali Yuga - not because we were getting better, but because we were getting worse.

    But not only because we were getting worse but because there was something going on: the reason those things came into being is because this group - that are human, but are different - went into action, because the beginning of the Kali Yuga, 6, 000 years ago, the beginning of the Mayan calendar, was a signal.

    A signal in a very long, long, long calendar - not 6, 000 years, but like 60, 000 years. And it said that the end of this age was going to come to an end, and the prophecy said that the sun would explode into gigantic solar flares, which would fry everything on Earth and cause huge Earth changes here on the planet.

    And this group knew all of this, because they had been through it before and they kept accurate records. So they went into action; and they took a lovely planet, filled with tribes of hunter-gatherers, and they transformed it into civilization.

    And they transformed it into civilization so that they could get out of here before the coronal-mass ejections hit. And that is what has been going on for over 5, 000, almost 6, 000, years.

    It is a central organizing principle, decided and governed by a group that we don't even know who they really are, for purposes which until recently have remained completely hidden and secret.

    And, they promised the managers that they're leaving behind, that they can have the underground shelters and everything; but I don't think that that's really going to help, because I just can't see how that could survive what is foretold.

    And the secret space program and all of these things - flying saucers, and bases on the moon, and the Nazis and Joseph Farrell's great book on the alchemy that the Nazis were doing - this is all part of this group developing the technology for what I call "Project GOOD", which stands for "Get Out Of Dodge". And they're getting' out of Dodge, baby; and they're almost out.

    And, if you follow the work of Ed Grimsley - I don't know if you know who he is. He has these night-vision goggles, and he goes out at night and he videotapes these craft that you can't see with your eyes. You can type him in on Google. On YouTube, they've got a few astounding videos that he's taken of the gigantic craft.

    And that's the story. And I figure I might as well get it out now, because you never know when it's going to be too late.

    Lance: Absolutely. Now, of course, some people attach names to these unknowns. And I have read some accounts that these are some kind of Anunnaki/Atlantean lines, and then of course you have some kind of illuminati bloodlines flowing in there. But nobody really seems to know who they are, except that they're not -

    Jay: Well, yeah, actually, we do. Yeah, well, they are the - Anunnaki is one of the words that they have. The Nephilim is another that they have.

    These are words created by different cultures - the Hebrews, the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Persians - to describe these people. OK? But their real name is very easy, because it describes where they go when they get out of Dodge. They're called the Aryans.

    "Aryans" is just another word for "Martians", because Aries is Mars. They escape - at the end of the last Kali Yuga - I think, at the end of every Kali Yuga - the same cycle occurs every time; it may even be why there is a Kali Yuga.

    They come to Earth after the Earth is healed from the gigantic coronal-mass ejections which occur; and they come back in their ships, and they repopulate the Earth. They may even take genetic strains with them, which is what the genome project is; they may take all the seeds with them, which is what the seed project is.

    And they take it there; and they bury themselves under, because Mars is a pretty inhospitable place; and they wait for the Earth to recover. And they came back 60, 000 years ago, and they thought that the Earth had pretty much been wiped out. But a few groups had survived.

    Native Americans had survived, by being in caves; and they tell those stories, about how hot - it was so hot that you stuck a stick out the cave opening and it lit on fire. The Chinese survived - somebody - one of those Asian groups must have survived, obviously. And some of the African survived.

    So, when the Aryans landed, they kept to themselves. But they did have ships, and they went around; and they had an order that they couldn't have any sex with the remnants that were left behind. They could help them, teach them how to read and write and how to farm and all these other things; but they couldn't have sex with them.

    But those Earth women and the way they move: they just couldn't resist.

    So these are humans, but they went to Mars for a long time; and they lost the pigment in their skin, they lost the color in their hair, their eyes turned blue or green or hazel. They were tremendously big, because of the low gravity on Mars, when they landed here. Very advanced, super advanced - and they've been here for a very, very long time.

    And they're leaving. They're going. They're leaving now. There are colonies - I know this sounds completely out of my mind, but I have proof for all this. There's colonies up on Mars; just type in "Hale Crater civilization" on Google, and read Skipper's work - Joseph Skipper's great work on the colony there, up in Hale Crater.

    This is what's going on. This is the long and short of it. And, yeah, they live here; they actually lived once in Norway. That's where they lived, because they liked the coolness; they couldn't get used to the heat. And that spiral that exploded over Norway when Barack Obama was going to get his Peace Prize in Norway - yeah, well, that's their weaponry.

    Here's the problem Obama faces. OK? These guys are leaving. They're getting out of here because they think that the coronal-mass ejections are coming. Alright? They're leaving, and they don't care who runs the United States anymore. They did up until last year. Now they don't care anymore.

    And so Obama's7 sitting here, and he's got the remnants of their technology. He's got the stuff sitting around; right? And they're probably busily back-engineering the Aryan technologies; OK? And this is what's going on in Argentina and Chile, where they're raiding the tunnel systems.

    This is the new world order; these are the managers that have been left behind. The new world order is not the Aryans; the new world order are the Aryans' left-behind managers.

    Lance: Right; that would make sense.

    Jay: Yeah. The Aryans think of themselves as the 'People of the Red', or 'the People from the Red Planet'. And, when Bauer changed his name to "Rothschild", which means "red shield", he was really signifying that he was the shield for this thing, this project, which moved into high gear at the beginning of the industrial age.

    And everyone's thinking that they're deforesting the planet, raping the mountainsides, enslaving people, doing all this stuff, just because there's something that has gone out of control; but it isn't.

    It's all the underpinnings of a huge, secret project to develop, quickly, colonies and ships and moving gigantic amounts of goods and services across the gap between here and Mars.

    And that's the truth right there.

    And a lot of people are going to know this pretty soon; I'm not the only one that knows what's going on here. This is all written down, by the way, in ancient texts from India, all of this.

    Lance: Oh yes, that's right. You briefly touched upon that the last time, I think.

    Jay: Yes, this is all ancient texts, and these texts were from the Aryans and they told their story.

    Lance: If they had the ability to go back and forth to Mars and further, I'm sure, isn't coronal mass ejection going to destroy Mars as well?

    Jay: No, because they're going underground. First off, it will hit Mars but it won't be anything like what happens here.

    Secondly, the problem with the coronal mass ejection - which I have to say, the film "2012" did a pretty good job of evoking - is that it is a huge electromagnetic blast which has a commensurate effect on the core of the Earth, which is heavily electromagnetic. So it causes a core flip.

    OK, here's how it works. The poles of the sun rotate every 37 days. The equator of the sun would also rotate every 37 days, except that the angular momentum of the planets at the equator of the Solar System causes it to slow down, so it only rotates every 26 days, instead of 37.

    Every 87 days, there is a crossing over of the magnetic field, as the 26 catches up to the 37 again. You follow me?

    Every 87 days, there's a small electromagnetic crossing, which encases the sun in a tightly woven electromagnetic shell. After about 12-13, 000 years of this nonsense, the entire sun is bound in a huge receding-quickly magnetic field, which has a commensurate effect on the Earth's electromagnetic field, which also begins receding.

    This is all happening right now with the loss of the sun spots and the Earth's magnetic field receding. It's a 13, 000 year cycle that we are right on the edge of and when the sun finally has to right itself, i.e., move its rotational fields back into sync again, which it has to do, there will be a huge electromagnetic storm which will go out way beyond the Earth.

    It will be carrying with it gigantic coronal mass ejections, which will ignite the forests of the Earth and boil the oceans.

    If you're underground, on Mars, well you have a pretty good chance of making it. There's no electromagnetic fields on Mars. There's no tectonic plates. Nothing's going to be spinning around and you just wait it out.

    You just wait it out and maybe after a few hundred years, I don't know how long, when the forests grow back and the animal life comes back, then you mount your expeditions and you go back.

    So we're building not only the expeditions that are going there, but we've been building for the last three hundred years the expeditions that are going to take them back here, too. Yeah, that's what's going on.

    It recurs all the time. The Vedic texts and the Mahabharata, this is what they're discussing, including the gigantic ships, or arks, as they call them.

    I want to make one thing clear. I'm not saying white people are Aryans. I'm saying that white people are the bastard children of Aryans and Earth people. You understand? They do not look like us at all. They're chalk-white. They're freakish-looking.

    They're where the vampire myths come from because they can only come to the surface of the Earth at night. Their skin is so translucent that you can see the capillary system, so they look blue in certain kinds of light.

    Lance: You know, there was a movie that was a remake of "War of the Worlds" and I thought to myself, "Well isn't this strange, for them to make this kind of movie where they're already underground, and those laser beams." Very prescient.

    Jay: Spielberg has to know. When I saw that, I just went, "My God, he has to know." He has to know that they've been here the whole time and they are underground. That's exactly where they are.

    And by the way, these other things that we see - and I'm not saying there are not other aliens, there could be; I'm not even going to argue that - but some of the other things that we've been seeing are their robotic creations.

    They've been here, these robotic creations, for a long time. I don't know if they're robotic or genetic, I can't tell. Sometimes they're robotic, sometimes they're genetic.

    Here's the thing Obama has to ask himself. He knows that these guys are leaving. He knows there's a disaster coming of some kind. They shoot a hyper-dimensional weapon over Norway while he's picking up the Peace prize and everybody's screaming and yelling, "Why does Obama get the Peace Prize, he hasn't done a damn thing."

    I'm going to tell you why Obama gets the Peace Prize. He gets the Peace Prize if he doesn't shoot at them while they're leaving. Here's the problem that he faces, though, and this is a serious problem.

    You're the Aryans and you're back on Mars waiting for the coronal mass ejection. You got the hatches buttoned down, everything, right? What is to prevent the elites that you've left behind from back-engineering the craft, that you've left behind - the ship - and coming after you and stealing your place? I know that sounds crazy -

    Lance: No, to me it doesn't.

    Jay: - and I'll tell you what. He's worried that they're going to attack us, and that's what that thing in Norway was about. These people are saying that these are benevolent aliens and stuff. You haven't read your history. The Aryans stormed down, they enslaved all of India, they created the caste system.

    Lance: Every war has been created indirectly by this influence, hasn't it?

    Jay: Absolutely. If you read Andrew Collins' book "From the Ashes of Angels," it's a great book. He talks about the history of these babies, these magical babies that are born after the Aryans and Earth women have had sex.. These babies are white and they have white hair and chalk-white skin, and some tribes were fearful of these children and they killed them.

    But other tribes thought that these children were exalted beings and they raised them up into exaltedness in the tribe. These beings frequently had red hair; red hair because of the overabundance of iron oxide in the air on Mars causing red hair.

    So they exalted these beings and these were the European tribes who exalted these beings. Read his books, they're very interesting.

    Lance: I will, I'll check that out for sure.

    Jay: On the other hand Africans have a history of killing albino children right when they're born. I don't know if you know that. They're considered wicked.

    Tthey think that these children, the offspring of the Aryans, were wicked or there was something bad about them. This is a long tradition where they would get rid of these angel-demon children.

    So the Aryan influences are more prevalent among the European-stock cultures and so they became the vehicles of the real Aryans, which have nothing to do with white people at all, actually, except for leaving behind some genetic trace..

    And so that's what's been going on. Skull and Bones is part of this group. Michael Tsarian has traced a lot of these German groups back. The German groups are the key. Once you start back engineering the German groups, you can find everything.

    The Saturnian Society, Aleister Crowley, all of the UFO stuff from South America. All this stuff is all intertwined into a cohesive story that makes total sense and gets rid of a lot of the gobbledygook.

    But it's backed up and bolstered by very, very serious ancient texts, Purana texts and Vedic texts, which tell the whole story very clearly.

    Lance: Huh! Well, how does that tie into the idea that there are different ages? In other words, do we ever get out from under the prison bars of some kind of highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization that controls us without our knowing? Isn't there supposed to be a Golden Age after the Iron Age?

    Jay: Well, it is, and here's the thing. This is really the crux of the matter. What happens is is that through the long cycle of the Yugas, which is really called a Kulpa - which is all of the cycles together - there are so many deaths.

    And as you approach the Bronze Age and the Kali Yuga, there are more and more deaths of violent nature.

    And it takes thousands and thousands of years for bones to completely vanish. The Earth becomes haunted by an inescapable presence - called the 'Ka' in Egypt, which is a residual that's left behind. And the only way that you can have a Golden Age is for all of the Ka to be burned away so that the Earth is completely renewed.

    And unfortunately these guys, these Aryans, broke the rules. They didn't want to die in the last catastrophe, which they had to do. That was part of the deal. The Earth can only be renewed if all of the Ka goes. And they escaped, and they went away.

    And they kept all of the knowledge that had been gathered from the previous Kulpa, which we were also supposed to lose.

    The only way for the Golden Age to actually incarnate is for the earth start out in a pristine state again. And they broke the rules.

    And this is why Tsarion's work is so good because these guys broke the rules, and now we're just their slaves. Now racism has come into it. Whereas before there was no racism. Now there's racism. The Aryans think that the Earth peoples are too stupid, that the Earth peoples are too dumb.

    And it's not dumb or stupid. They never had the advanced technology carried over from the Dark Age. . And this is the problem. So there has to be a cleansing of the earth so that it can be renewed. And they're not allowing that to happen.

    And they keep bringing back the same genetic strains over and over when actually the Earth is constantly rolling the dice and searching for new genetic strains that it can use to embrace consciousness. The Aryans keep bringing back all the old genetic structures. Did you know that corn is a hybrid?

    Lance: Yeah.

    Jay: Corn is a hybrid. When they discovered corn, even to this day, it is a hybrid. Somebody had to have messed with it a long time ago.

    Lance: Now it's all genetically modified.

    Jay: Well, it is. And again you have to ask yourself why that's being allowed and why all the forests are being cut down and why...

    Lance: Well, when what are the chemtrails and HARP?

    Jay: Yeah. Those are to keep us away from seeing what is going on behind our backs, which is a giant evacuation. And they don't care about us anymore.

    Lance: Wow! It seems like there ought to be some kind of higher authority that - let's just call it The Cosmic Patrol - that oversees what's fair and what's not fair. In other words, aren't there some kinds of higher more advanced ETs or civilizations or angelic realms or whatever that can put things straight?

    Jay: We know as much as we know, and that's all we know. The Vedic texts say that the divas, which have been destroyed through this current Kali Yuga according to the text, have gone back to the Godhead.

    They left thousands of years ago to travel back to the Godhead to tell the Godhead that the evil Archons, who are the Aryans, by the way, have taken over the entire planet and that they needed help because the divas have been driven off the planet. The divas, of course, are the nature spirits.

    And as Tolkien shows us very clearly in the Lord of the Rings, Sauron and Sauraman are destroying nature to fuel and finance some mysterious project. And if you go back and look and see in history who Sauron is, it's obvious that Tolkien talking about Sargon. Sargon was the first real king of the Kali Yuga in Mesopotamia.

    He started calendars. He started clocks. He started the workday. He started everything, and he was an Aryan. And so you can see that there's this regimented thing that starts entering in and removes us from the natural state of a highly advanced hunter/gatherer, which is really what human beings are.

    And that's our natural state - very close to the Earth, no agriculture, all fresh foods, a lot of hunting, and a lot of gathering. Very spiritual though. Not a grunting life, but a wonderful beautiful life filled with meditation and a much higher standard of living, which was what was going on before the Aryans emerged.

    Lance: Wow! Now is there any connection between the Aryans and then the German Aryans that were involved with one of the World Wars?

    Jay: Yeah, absolutely. In fact, all of the German Nazis were obsessed with the lore of a people that lived under the earth. And Hitler even told people that he had met the new man, i.e. the Aryan, that "He is terrible," he said. And this is where they received all of their technology, the Bell technology, which is the spinning mercury which powered the UFOs.

    They received all of that stuff from the Aryans. They had contacted them and told them what to do, where to go.

    And that's how the Nazis from 1930 to 1945 did the most astonishing advances ever in human history. They invented the laser, the UFOs. They invented radar, television. So many things that it's ridiculous.

    No group of people could ever do that, but they did it. And by the way, this was all being financed by the Rothschild and the Rockefellers including George Bush's grandfather.

    Lance: That's right. That's right.

    Jay: That's right, and it's all coming out of Skull and Bones. And Skull and Bones has a number - a secret number that no one knows what it means - and the number is 322. Yeah, well, 322 - it's quite obvious. It's the first day of Aries. Aries is Mars. Mars is March. March is the only month that's named after a planet, and all alchemy begins in Aries.

    Lance: Wow.

    Jay: So these are the alchemists, these are the high magicians. These are the Great White Brotherhood.. According to the Tibetans they lived in an underground city named Shambala underneath the Himalayas, and they are chalk white..

    Lance: And then of course we know - this is common knowledge - that we brought over all the Nazi scientists up through operation Paperclip.

    Jay: We certainly did.

    Lance: ... Paperclip and installed them in high positions, including I think the top of NASA.

    Jay: Well absolutely they did, and Werner Van Braun told Carol Rosin, his paramour, right near his death he said "You'll see; you'll see: in the end, they'll say all of this was caused by the aliens", and he started laughing.

    Lance: Wow.

    Jay: And listen, though: there's more than just that. It's been pretty much proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the entire bottom third of South America was given over to the Nazis at the end of World War II. And that was their country; and they owned both sides, Chile and Argentina.

    And they ran - and Pinochet was their puppet, and so was Peron.

    And, if you ever got close to anything that they were doing in the mountains, you were 'disappeared'. In Argentina, thousands and thousands of people were 'disappeared'. Hikers would get near these Nazi facilities where they were building these huge craft, and they would disappear.

    And, if you look at Jacques Vallee's work on U.F.O. sightings and where they are and how many there have been and all of that - he did copious work for 30 years - you'll find that 75 percent of U.F.O. sightings are in the bottom third of South America.

    You can type in "Santiago, Chile, December 2008" and watch the YouTube video of about 40 craft flying over Santiago. I think you can almost see them waving out the windows: "See you later, suckers!"

    Lance: Wow. Well, what in the heck are we going to do about all this? What can be done?

    Jay: Well, you know, here's the thing: we don't know. And I'm not saying there is going to be this thing, because these people could be as wacky as they come. I think actually their numbers are - here's the thing.

    Their original number was 2442; that was when they said that the end of the Kali Yuga was coming, according to these ancient texts. And I think that they found out, by deciphering the long-count calendar in the late 1880s, that there may be a chance that it isn't 2442 but it's 2012 -

    And so they hit the pedal to the metal and created the 20th century and got out of Dodge and they're up there, but there may still be 400 years left.

    Lance: Oh.

    Jay: Yeah. I mean their number system definitely says "2442". And it's a big mystery that we're all trying to uncover and figure out.

    The entire number system that these people use - have been using since they arrived here - is a higher-dimensional, or hyper-dimensional, number system. There are many places on Earth that use their numerical system, this hyper-dimensional numerical system; but the three places on Earth that have it the most are Giza - the Great Pyramid of Giza - Stonehenge, and the U.S. Capitol.

    I'm talking about knowledge that no-one knows about, that would have been almost - one would think - nearly impossible for the guys that built the U.S. Capitol to know, yet they did.

    Lance: Dan Brown just came out with another one of his thrillers about the U.S. Capitol.

    Jay: Yeah. Well, when "The Sacred Geometry of Time" comes out, by Robert Lawlor, it'll put Dan Brown and the rest of them right in their place.

    Lance: Well, of course; they're thriller writers, not esoteric scholars by any means.

    Jay: No; Dan Brown's an apologist for the Freemasons. His books are all an apology for the Freemasons. Ronnie Howard, who made "Angels and Demons" and the other book, "The Da Vinci Code", based on his book - he is a also a top Freemason.

    And so they have their agenda, and their agenda is to get out of Dodge and leave us all here; and that's the truth of it.

    A lot of people are doing things. Patrick Geryls going to someplace in Africa where there are deep caves. I'm heading to Peru. There are people that are doing things. There are things you can do.

    Lance: What about building a boat?

    Jay: Well, it will work. The problem - if you can get past that initial coronal-mass ejection and the resultant tidal waves and expected 400-mile-an-hour winds. You know, my buddy Clif High is building a boat; I know that, and it's a pretty cool boat. I'm thinking about buying one just in case.

    Lance: I just read his article on that. My jaw dropped. It was almost like reading your articles. It was chock full of hidden meaning and - at least that's what I got out of it. You can take it on a literal level, of course. But there's a lot more there than meets the eye, I think.

    Jay: Yeah.

    Lance: And he's going to be coming back on the show soon, I hope.

    Jay: Well, there's a strange thing going on. But there's a certain percentage of people that get it and they really don't even need to discuss it anymore. If you don't see it, that's your problem. We're taking care of business.

    Lance: Right.

    Jay: He's building a boat; I'm heading to South America.

    Lance: I'm probably going to stay right here. I have no desire to - for whatever reason, I've been stationed here. And so -

    Jay: There's not a whole lot you can do.

    Lance: There really isn't.

    Jay: It's a matter of luck, even in a boat.

    Lance: Yeah; yeah. And, with my resources, I wouldn't get further than leaving California, probably. But I do know the military's building underground bases as fast as you can flip pancakes, at IHOP.

    Jay: They certainly are.

    Lance: So they're just scurrying around; but that's not going to help any either.

    Jay: Well, I think that the air would get sucked out of them, and then you've got the crust moving around - I don't know. I wouldn't think it's a good idea.

    Lance: I wouldn't - it doesn't appeal to me.

    Jay: I'm actually glad the Aryans are leaving, and I hope we get a 400-year reprieve - it may be longer. I think they've been a terrible influence on the planet, and they've left a wrecked planet behind.

    Lance: Terrible.

    Jay: And we've got to pick their mess up. So I don't really appreciate - and I hope we do take a few potshots at them as they're scooting out of dodge, frankly.

    Obama's got a terrible mess to handle. I don't pity a politician; but, at the same time, boy, I tell you, I wouldn't want to be in his position ow.

    Lance: Well, there's been a lot of talk about disclosure happening very soon, that's supposed to happen on the television, that fits the timing and schedule and everything.

    Jay: Yeah. I'll tell you when disclosure happens: it happens just about the last hour. That's the disclosure.

    And David Wilcocks going out of his way to say there's going to be a disclosure and he thinks that there's going to be these aliens landing and everything - I'm sorry, I love David, he's a great guy; but, no, it isn't going to happen.

    The Disclosure is that they're leaving. And the people in the know, and people like Clif High, and a lot of other people who already know all this - they know what's going on. You can look at it on the Web. You can see it through Ed Grimsley's glasses, going through the night sky. We know what's going on.

    Gary McKinnon is being extradited to the U.S. for cracking in to the Pentagon's network. He says there's a secret space program with gigantic ships and hundreds of thousands of personnel. Probably most of the missing people of the last 30 or 40 years.

    Lance: Would you mention your websites again?

    Jay: Yeah. www.sacredmysteries.com has all my videos, including the new "Infinity: The Ultimate Trip", and "Journey beyond Death", my new film. And www.jayweidner.com has all my high-weirdness articles. So just go there, or just type in "Jay Weidner" on Google, and look at all the nice things that people say, and the nasty things that people say about me.

    Lance: Ah, I can't believe that anybody would say anything nasty about you, Jay.

    You're a terrific guy, and I love having you on the show, and you'll have to come back again soon; OK?

    Jay: My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

    Lance: Alright. And be sure and go check out his articles and his website, because, I'm telling you, it's mind-blowing. Alright; thanks a lot, Jay. And good night, everybody.


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    I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

    What's this guys track record like ?

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    Quote Posted by DoubleHelix (here)
    I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

    What's this guys track record like ?
    A lot of good information.

    He goes *way* down the rabbit hole and those that do so are hard to verify.

    For what it is worth ... Kerry did a radio interview with him as well (but last I checked the link doesn't work) and she was in agreement with most all he said.

    *** adding ***

    btw - I don't agree with the norway spiral assessment either but am not one to throw out the baby with the bath water.

    I have one book and several of his dvds. Does good work regarding the Gnostics and some of the hollywood movie "interpretations".
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    I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

    What's this guys track record like ?
    I agree more like dis-info

    Check this, more of a trail here

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    Farrell is outstanding.

    Thanks for sharing that. He used to keep himself distant while writing his books but good to see him take a much more active and open path of communication with the public.

    Will give it a listen.

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    As of late I've been getting heavily involved with the Atlantis subject, which has lead me to Sitchen and others who speak of the Annunaki.
    I'm some what familiar with the loose facts, but my god is it a deep rabbit hole.

    two correlations that stand out for me - Human genome recently proved to date back 200,000 years, and all religious texts seem to be offshoots of the original Annunaki tablets.

    EDIT: Andrew, great video with Hancock & Bauval - good to see them together!
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    Quote Posted by DoubleHelix (here)
    As of late I've been getting heavily involved with the Atlantis subject, which has lead me to Sitchen and others who speak of the Annunaki.
    I'm some what familiar with the loose facts, but my god is it a deep rabbit hole.

    two correlations that stand out for me - Human genome recently proved to date back 200,000 years, and all religious texts seem to be offshoots of the original Annunaki tablets.
    I accepted Sitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

    Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.
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    I accepted Stitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

    Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.
    Oh no you didn't say the "C" word did you... that's like a shot to the groin.

    from credible too incredible in the space of 9 letters.

    Thou the waters are muddied I will still review his material.

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    http://halexandria.org/dward178.htm

    http://halexandria.org/dward722.htm
    http://halexandria.org/dward723.htm

    Here so stuff on sumerian tablets for you Double Helix. just remember you gotta find the gold amongst the ore.

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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    Here is text from Jay Weidner regarding the Aryans.
    He has two interviews on Veritas (the older one May 28th 2010 is the one he goes more into this sort of topics).
    Disclosure: Aryans, Mars and the End of Days
    An interview with Jay Weidner
    Part 2

    Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.
    Lance: O.K. Good, good.
    Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.
    there it is, the story right there... wow, just crazy. its whats we've been trying to piece together. So then, there is nothing left to do except wait to die. when the CME hits, this civilization is over. the underground 'arks' that they're building, if any survive, will have the monumental task of rebuilding civilization. a truly sad day.

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    Quote Posted by DoubleHelix (here)
    I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

    What's this guys track record like ?
    I agree more like dis-info

    Check this, more of a trail here

    I don't believe this is deliberate dis-info.

    Joseph Farrell's work stays with as much verifiable data as is available whereas Jay Weidner's theory on the Aryans is taken from ancient texts.

    I will do some research and try to get some confirmation from other sources and get back within the next day or two as time permits.


    As a side note this from Farrell's site on Jay Weidner:


    STANLEY KUBRICK’S 2001 SPACE ODYSSEY: MESSAGES?

    March 1, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell


    My friend Jay Weidner wrote an excellent “alchemical” analysis of Kubrick’s classic film adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke’s “2001: A Space Odyssey” here, and, though long, it is an article well worth reading (because for one thing, it forms the backdrop for my comment below):

    Alchemical Kubrick

    All done? OK. Now ponder the following image of the satellite from the beginning of the movie, sent to me by a friend.

    (snipped photo)

    Assuming the picture has not been photo-shopped, is Kubrick sending more messages here? Notice anything peculiar about that spacecraft? Look closely again. There is a clear depiction of the then West German flag, and boldly emblazoned on the side of the craft is an Iron Cross, symbol of the (West) German military, the Bundeswehr. I could accept the occurrence of only one of these symbols as some sort of “production accident” but two seems to me to be pushing the boundaries of coincidence.

    The question is, is Kubrick sending messages here? Or is it just a typical Hollywood way of trying to “internationalize outer space” in a brotherhood of love and harmony that just happens to include the German Bundeswehr? Well, let’s assume that Kubrick IS (or I should say, WAS) trying to send messages here. If so, the question is, what were they? Given Weidner’s extensive and thorough alchemical analysis of the esoteric symbolism contained in the movie, and the discovery of a monolith on one of the Moons of Jupiter, perhaps Kubrick is subtly trying to say that someone (the Germans?) discovered something out there long before the rest of us were made aware of it.

    And let’s not forget one other thing… In Clarke’s original 2001, the moon on which the monolith was discovered was not Earth’s nor any of Jupiter’s moons…

    Can anyone say Iapetus? George Lucas? Cassini?


    The coincidences pile up here, and they are disturbing. At the minimum, I believe we may be looking at a classic case of “synchronicity,” and at the other end of the spectrum, maybe we are, after all, being sent “messages.”


    http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/03/sta...ssey-messages/


    Does this mean anything? Who knows. I would think if Farrell believed Jay was putting out dis-info he would not be so open about the friendship and quoting his work?
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    Quote Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
    I accepted Stitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

    Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.
    Oh no you didn't say the "C" word did you... that's like a shot to the groin.

    from credible too incredible in the space of 9 letters.

    Thou the waters are muddied I will still review his material.

    Trying to follow up on this without much luck so far. Here is some text in Jordan Maxwell's Camelot interview from 2009 talking about Stitchin. At that point Jordan would not come out with it since it was revealed in a private conversation. It must have been later when he did.


    Quote KC: I understand. Now, I don’t know if you’re willing to talk about this, but Zecharia Sitchin and you sat down and you asked him to tell you a secret. Based on all your time with him, the things that you had done for him, etcetera, etcetera, you basically said: Tell me something that I don’t know.

    JM: Yeah.

    KC: Are you willing to talk about that?

    JM: No.

    KC: Because I think that that is a clue that people would really benefit from knowing.

    JM: Yeah. I don’t think I want to talk about that.

    KC: Okay.

    JM: Because...

    KC: Do you feel that Zecharia would not like that information out there?

    JM: No. It was that it was a private conversation and when I asked him... Because, like I said, at one time I was in business with Zecharia. I had a contract with him, and so we were business partners, and so I felt a little bit more of a leeway to talk with Zecharia in private. So I asked him one time some very personal questions about his work and it was absolutely mind-blowing and staggering, the things he was telling me.

    And then... Well anyway, then he told me some things about myself and I was amazed. I never heard such a thing, that what he was being told, or wherever he got it from, he had a view on me, who I am and what I’m doing. But at that time we were talking, it was a private conversation, and I think it’d be better just left private.

    KC: Okay. Fine.

    JM: All I will say is this: Zecharia Sitchin is a fascinating man and a brilliant writer, and I love everything he’s doing, and I love the man. He’s a very dear friend and I love Zecharia Sitchin. He’s a very, very gentleman kind of guy, and so... I like that.

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    I can't help but wonder what Weidner and Farrell would come up with in terms of conclusions if they considered the idea that the third reich wasn't out to take over the world in the way the cabal has been... It surely would be interesting.
    (No, this idea isn't entirely unfounded. After tons of research, I've found some referring to the 'third power' or 'unknown power' likely to be those Germans who escaped the cabal at the 'end' of WWII. Germany (the federal republic) to this day is without a peace treaty, and the country never surrendered in any case. There is plenty of evidence that a lot of UFOs have been spotted displaying the swastica or at the very least the German Cross. Some power has interfered and practiced damage control whenever nukes were fired; otherwise this planet would be completely uninhabitable by now. Since the Germans invented the nuclear bomb, is it so far-fetched to allow the thought that it's them who exercised the damage control? Virgil Armstrong pointed out in one his last interviews that the Germans in Antarctica had turned to the 'good' side.)

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    Quote Posted by LeoNorth (here)

    there it is, the story right there... wow, just crazy. its whats we've been trying to piece together. So then, there is nothing left to do except wait to die. when the CME hits, this civilization is over. the underground 'arks' that they're building, if any survive, will have the monumental task of rebuilding civilization. a truly sad day.
    We don't know that for sure. As Jay points out there is a discrepancy on the date (Kali Yuga implies 2442):

    Quote Lance: Wow. Well, what in the heck are we going to do about all this? What can be done?

    Jay: Well, you know, here's the thing: we don't know. And I'm not saying there is going to be this thing, because these people could be as wacky as they come. I think actually their numbers are - here's the thing.

    Their original number was 2442; that was when they said that the end of the Kali Yuga was coming, according to these ancient texts. And I think that they found out, by deciphering the long-count calendar in the late 1880s, that there may be a chance that it isn't 2442 but it's 2012 -

    And so they hit the pedal to the metal and created the 20th century and got out of Dodge and they're up there, but there may still be 400 years left.

    Lance: Oh.

    Jay: Yeah. I mean their number system definitely says "2442". And it's a big mystery that we're all trying to uncover and figure out.

    The entire number system that these people use - have been using since they arrived here - is a higher-dimensional, or hyper-dimensional, number system. There are many places on Earth that use their numerical system, this hyper-dimensional numerical system; but the three places on Earth that have it the most are Giza - the Great Pyramid of Giza - Stonehenge, and the U.S. Capitol.
    Allegedly all part of a cycle that has happened before (and will happen again).

    In one shape or form I have no doubt life will go on. We *may* be witness to something quite remarkable.

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    In doing research on the Mahabharata ... there is this ... always best to start here at home on Avalon


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    This one is interesting. I am sure everyone has heard about the layer of "glass" in India and speculation of a vast atomic war.

    Check this out:


    The topic of this issue is the Mahabharata war in relation to world history and culture. We will begin the topic with a question we received sometime back:

    "In the Mahabharata, the war seemed to have affected the whole world. We don’t find so many references to such of a huge event in other cultures. Why are there no references to a great world event?"

    There is reference to a great war both in the Mayan culture and in old Chinese traditions. They speak about a huge war that happened long, long ago; but they give no details. They only knew that such a war had occurred.

    After any war two things happen. In certain regions, nothing develops for a long time; and in certain other regions everything expands very rapidly. The same thing has happened after the Kurukshetra war. In some places everything just stopped; there was no communication. These places became completely isolated from the rest of the world.

    You can imagine the situation of those other kingdoms which were working under the fifty-four kingdoms, the Aryan empire. When a huge war like this is waged on the other side of the globe, and none of the kings ever returned, and their armies also didn’t come back, what would be the state of communication?

    These kingdoms would have become completely alien to everything. No one would have known what happened. The king with his entire army went to fight in the great war, and that's it. They just disappeared, never to be heard from again. The agents from the ruling kingdoms no longer came to collect taxes, no information was being sent from the world capital. Suddenly these former colonies are isolated and free. They don't have to pay taxes anymore, nor do they have to be subservient.

    Naturally the new king would try to make a lot of indigenous effort to put forth their own culture. And if there were any texts left that said his grand father was a slave of Kaikeya, he would just burn it. They wouldn't want to keep such information.

    The same thing happened in the modern World War, which was actually just a war around the world. But the Mahabharata war was one massacre at one single place, and nobody went back. None of the kings or soldiers returned to tell what happened.

    It is described that the cremations were done there and the rituals were also done there. Even the widows of the other kings were adopted there by the capital, Hastinapura. Seven different types of cremations were done, like mass cremations, individual cremations, etc. After the cremations, the widows were all adopted by Hastinapura there itself. There was practically no one going back to their own countries, hardly a single channel of communication.

    We can imagine if we were a distant country ruling under one of these fifty-four kings, the Aryan empire, and we see no one is returning from the battle, no communication is coming from the battle; what would we do? Immediately we would destroy the old information, that showed us as slaves to these Aryan kings, and emerge as a great self-manifesting empire like Egypt. This is exactly what they did.

    The destruction caused by the war was not only external. The destruction of the war was also in the minds of the people. After those heavy astras were used, in the minds of the people anything subtle, anything delicate, anything perfectional was completely burnt out. It is just like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, till today you find the children are disabled. How many years has it been? It was only two primitive bombs. They were so gross and physical, but the radioactivity of that is still being seen today.

    Then we can understand, according to the descriptions within the Mahabharata, what was the destruction of the Brahmastras used in the war. What was the Agni-astras they were using? What was the power of the wind in the Vayu-astra? It was not only blowing in Kurukshetra, it was blowing all over the planet. What would have happened to the people’s minds because of the diffusion of all these energies?

    Everything became lost. Naturally people would not even be able to think that they were serving, or they had been paying tax to the Aryan kings of such and such countries. The whole thing had no meaning any more.

    This is known as the "dark period" after the Mahabharata war. Kathacharit-sagara has stories about this dark time. In the Tamil literature also it discusses this period. There was a dark period in between where no one knew what happened. Only the thieves, either through ship or through land, were ruling the world. In Tamil it is known as "kalapirar kalam" which means the time of the unknown kings, unknown rulers. The Tamil literature gives 3,000 years for it. And then the Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas came to power. In between it was completely dark. And these Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas were actually descendants of the original Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas who took part in the Mahabharata war.

    The Chola king was the one who ran the kitchen for the Pandavas. That is there in the Tamil literature. Those people who ran the kitchen, they were not just cooks; they were all soldiers. They went to help in the war and when the division of work was given, they were given the kitchen. So they were cooking. There are hundreds of Tamil verses glorifying that king who cooked for the Pandavas during the Mahabharata war. It is there in the Tamil literature.

    If this war never happened, if Kurushetra was only symbolic of the body, mind and senses; why would this Aryan king have spent twenty years of his ruling time in the North cooking for someone else. These are clear proofs. There was a dark time in between. The dark time was nothing but the reactions of the war. After the dark time, those who emerged powerful were not all the authentic rulers. Some were descendants, but most were just those who utilized this opportunity to gain power. This is why it is not mentioned in other cultures, it is not recorded. A great war is mentioned, but no details are given.

    Even in the mythology of the Greeks it is there, only the time is looking different. The time frame does not look like it is the Mahabharata war, but the great Achilles fighting and other such stories of Greek mythology have a very close similarity to stories from the Kurushetra war. In Greek mythology some of these stories are internally dated much before the time of the Kurushetra war. The reason is because they wanted to have a separate identity, therefore they told it as though it happened at a much more ancient time. It may sound like mythology, but its just the histories which have been handed down from the Kurushetra war by the bards and entertainers.

    The bards and entertainers were not killed. This is an important point in understanding how this history has spread. At that time, war meant that during every evening they had theater, they had dance, they had jokers, etc. They had all varieties of entertainment, and none of these entertainers were killed. That was the rule according to dharma-shastra, they were not supposed to be killed. Everyone died on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, but all of these bards, poets and entertainers lived. This is how the stories were spread.

    The people who did street dances and folk dances, poetry and songs, they all went back. But because the armies and kings were not there, they did not reach as far as they had come from. These entertainers had traveled along with the armies and kings, from distant lands. When the battle was finished, they had no king or army to take them back to their homeland, which in some cases was on the other side of the world. They traveled on their own, alone, and managed to reach some distance, somewhere. They did not make it home to their own countries, but they traveled as far as they could go alone. And when they stopped, unable to go any further, there they would have searched for some patron to perform for.

    They must have been highly impressed with this war. Whatever had happened, whatever they saw, the battles between the heroes on both sides; it had impressed them so much. Naturally they would dramatize this and make stories of wars, of great battles, of what they had just witnessed.

    In this Great war, who would have come back? Only the entertainers; the nandis, vandis and mahatis; those people who woke up the king’s everyday. They are the one's who lived to spread these stories. When their kings died they would leave. This was the tradition. The king goes to the battle with a full entourage . If the king is killed in the second day of the battle, the king who killed him takes his army. This was the system in those days. This was not the case for those who made a pact; like Dhristadyumna was in a pact with the Pandavas. His army would not go to Duryodhana. But those individual kings who came to the help the Pandavas, if the king is killed then everything that he has, including his ornaments, dress and animals, belongs to the king who killed him. Actually his country also belongs to that king. That was how the war was fought. Everything including the ornaments he was wearing, his armor, they belong to the winner. Only his astras won't be taken, because astras won’t serve one unless you have done the proper upasana. The astras will go back to the rishi or the deva who has given them. This was the rule of war.

    Once their king was killed, what would the entertainers do? They would not continue sitting there glorifying their dead king while the war was still continuing. As soon as their king died, they would leave the battle field. So for them, the outcome of the war was not even known. But when they left they had nothing, no escort, no entourage; they were alone. So they would travel as far as they could and as quickly as they could, until they reached whatever place they could find. They would be looking for a new patron. And if they found one, the first thing they will say is, "Have you heard? There was a war!" Once they have found a patron they will start performing. But the war was still running, and they would not want to be involved in politics, so to protect themselves they will begin, "Long, long ago..." And that would begin the dramatization of the Great War. This is how the information spread. You can find in every ethnic culture in the world, without fail, there is discussion of a Great War. How does that come about? It may not go by the name Mahabharata, but the great war is there, everywhere.

    There is an entire culture whose literature is based around crying, the Sumerian culture. All of their ancient writings are the cries of women who have lost their husbands in the war. Those who can read ancient Tamil will see that their script is almost identical, it is similar to the Dravida alphabets; and even the meanings of the sentences can be understood, it is so similar.

    Their texts are saying the same thing as the Mahabharata. A city was built, there was gambling, another city was burnt, a lady was insulted, and because of that there was fire. The order may not be the same, but the elements are identical. After the war, there was crying by the widows. And this crying is the substance of the Sumerian writings. Each song is a cry. It is the same thing as found in the Mahabharata. There is a chapter in the Mahabharata, "the crying of the queens in the war after the kings died". It is identical. Everyone is talking about this same great war.

    Even in regards to geography, the ancient cultures are speaking the same thing. There is always mention of a river that is running on four sides of a mountain. They may make the map based on their own idea of how the river is coming down from the mountain, but the substance is the same. They may not understand that it is referring to the four branches of the Ganga which go to the four different levels of the universe, but they have the basic concept. In China it is there. In the Maya culture it is there. This is the same concept as found in the Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts.

    There are many other parallels between the world cultures, pointing to a common source. Symbolically the Swastika is found all over the world - in Native American tribes, in Europe, in ancient India. Hitler was trying to revive the old Germanic and Norse tales of the Aryan kings, but he failed to understand the entire tradition. The Swastika represents life, but he chose to reverse it, thus signifying death. Even linguistically, the Indo-European languages, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Greek and their many derivatives, have countless similarities. This all points out that there was originally one culture, one civilization. The Great War described throughout the world is the Mahabharata war.

    One may ask, "Why don't the other countries present it in the exact same way?" It is because they were countries working under the fifty-four kings. They were subservient to the Aryan empire, and this war made them free. It was their chance to rewrite the history, to make their civilization the center of time.

    The rulers in Hastinapura allowed it to happen by their negligence. Parik**** Maharaja did not function as an emperor of the world for a long time, and as a result there was no unification of the countries done under him. And after him, Janamejaya spent his whole life trying to kill the snakes, until finally he became sick of everything and left the kingdom. Because of this the Aryan kings became weak.

    According to Kathacharit-sagara, after the dark period it was Bhima’s grandsons who sprung to power from Ujjain and other places. It was in their line that Vikramaditya later came. In Arjuna's line there was no powerful descendant, although there were some in Kundinapura. But their line quickly became diffused. The Indonesian city, Yogyakarta, previously known as Yajna-karta, was ruled by Bhima’s grandson. It was there that he performed one thousand yajnas, and that is how the city was named. That was much after the war.

    In some places the remnants of Vedic culture are more powerful. Their presence is felt more directly. But in other places the remnants are faint and more difficult to perceive. Just like the Sun worshippers of Japan. Previously it was part of a huge land mass in the pacific, but by the movement of the land and the sea it has become a tiny island. In that ancient land, they were worshippers of the Sun god. It was the same with the Lemurian land mass that was between Africa and India. The Tamil literatures describe a massive land going towards the west from the present Indian coast.

    After every Yuga there is a change of land and sea. There is one chapter on this in the pratisarga parva of the Bhavishya Purana. It speaks about how the land and sea change by the influence of time. This is how the flood of Noah described in the bible occurred. It was taken as a big dissolution, as a pralaya, but it was just the change of yugas. When Noah built the Arc, He was under the mountain Tuhinachala. Today the Tuhinachala is now a desert. It is no longer a mountain.

    There is another case from Bhima’s time, when he went for collection for the Rajasuya sacrifice. He went from Puri to Burma by chariot by crossing two mountains. There was no Bay of Bengal. And now that there is a bay of Bengal, we see two tiny islands, Andaman and Nicobar. They were the mountains that Bhima crossed, today they are just small islands.

    It is the same situation with New Zealand. They were not islands, but the peaks of mountains. They belonged to a giant land mass that connected to what was the Kimpurusha Varsha. But today they are also islands because of the land changes that occurred when the yugas changed.

    So, with all this - the Great War followed by massive changes in the earth's geography - the civilizations were heavily affected. Vyasadeva describes this war by saying, “There had not been a war as heavy as this at any time in all the lands.” He describes it this way because all of the demons and all of the devas took part in this war at one place - Kurukshetra. It was the heaviest war in the history, fought between universal powers. Thus its effects were felt in all places throughout the world.


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