28. The Earth does not have consciousness.

[Tony]

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

The earth does not have consciousness.

Can you prove that?

cheers

K

Well, K626,

What is meaningful to one may not be meaningful to another, but here goes.
Simply put, what is looking out of your eyes at this moment and what looked out
of them when you were four years old........has never ever changed!!!

That's it! Pure consciousness. You are never with out it. It is you!!!

However, because we get too quickly attracted to things and ideas, we don't
notice the pure perception. The thing seen can only be seen because of consciousness.
Like the words on this white page.

We try too hard.

pie'n'eal

[Carmody]

I can get behind that.

In the grand scheme, Misinterpretation in human communication... is a 100% 'chance'.

Ergo, to be upset with any misinterpretation or opinion that is different than your own is against the idea of communication as it exists in the human realm.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Dear Truthseekerdan.

You manifest your creation, I manifest my creation. All creations are a mistaken reality.
I am trying to work through my own delusion.

I still feel we all have our individual unique consciousnesses.
However, we can have a similar karmic connection,
so that is why we are here. Hence collective consciousness, or collective delusion!

There is a oneness with others, but we will have a different flavour.
However I do not totally dismiss one consciousness.....when I get there.....if I get there.....I'll let you know!

pie'n'eal

In order to comprehend everything about collective/individual consciousness and soul consciousness, one has to go beyond the conscious mind (ego-mind). One has to connect to the Subconscious (Universal Mind) from what each of us is part of. When we are willing to embrace and accept light beyond only logical inquiry, we will be able to understand our true consciousness, a consciousness that gives us our essential power and natural reflex of existence in our mind.

From light all things emerge and manifest into consciousness, giving us a connection to everything. Through this realization there are many mental states created by a fundamental process of perception within our thought patterns or core energy patterns, providing us concrete, experimental or intellectual data to form or deform reality, internally or externally. This is what allows us to live in an energy conscious universe. It is the light within our essential being which is striving to know and fathom itself beyond the censoring role of an inflated ego fixated on the physical world.

In understanding this one point, we understand the essence and true nature of our existence beyond the physical and intellectual influences that limit our life. Understand this truth within our being and we recognize ourselves within the truth.

Much love to one another,

Dan

[bearcow]

To clarify there is a void in the hell like regions of the astral world, this is where most nihilistic thinking people spend time in the after life. It is illusory and not fun. This is not the same as emptiness. Emptiness is the underling truth that makes up all the forms in the temporal reality of the astral and the physical. true reality has non-being. To know true spiritual truth ie start the process of becoming enlightened, one must cultivate emptiness within their own self awareness

form is emptiness; emptiness is form

[ace]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Dear All,
There surely must be someone else who wants to disagree?
I'm open to suggestions!

pie'n'eal

Ok I will step up to the plate, Wisdom don't exist, its man made,
Book's Written by Humans for humans.

Ace

[Tony]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello pie‘n’eal

It is my understanding that everything in the Omniverse is composed of atoms which are:

The atom is a basic unit of matter that consists of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of hydrogen-1, which is the only stable nuclide with no neutrons). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force. Likewise, a group of atoms can remain bound to each other, forming a molecule. (Note: Electromagnetic Force).

It is my contention that if you accept the above as a true statement, then everything we know of including the earth is alive; as Lord Sidious has said even rocks.

Best regards to you. JP

Dear John,

It's in constant movement, it is reacting, yes.
But it cannot initiate anything!

Things are pushed and pulled around.
What creates all of this, probably our collective subconsciousness.
A huge knock on effect.

We are similarly pushed around by the collective.
Meditation gives one space to stop.........................!


All the best
pie'n'eal

[ulli]

Humans can probe into the earth and into the sky and go under water...
while the earth is bound by it's orbit around the sun,
and it's behaviour is predictable.

Even earthquakes would be predictable if humans had more technology to measure all tectonic stresses building up.
It's all goverend by the law of physics.

Man simply has more choices.

Then there is mind over matter.....
give me another 50,000 years or so and I can fix fissures in the crust.

It's just like gardening, larger scale...

[K626]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by K626 (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
The earth does not have consciousness.

Can you prove that?

cheers

K

Well, K626,

What is meaningful to one may not be meaningful to another, but here goes.
Simply put, what is looking out of your eyes at this moment and what looked out
of them when you were four years old........has never ever changed!!!

That's it! Pure consciousness. You are never with out it. It is you!!!

However, because we get too quickly attracted to things and ideas, we don't
notice the pure perception. The thing seen can only be seen because of consciousness.
Like the words on this white page.

We try too hard.

pie'n'eal

As you said to Sid earlier that's very poetic but essentially only an observation.

Phenomenology?

cheers

K

[John Parslow]

Hello again pie'n'eal

It's in constant movement, it is reacting, yes.
But it cannot initiate anything!

Things are pushed and pulled around.
What creates all of this, probably our collective subconsciousness.
A huge knock on effect.

We are similarly pushed around by the collective.
Meditation gives one space to stop.........................!

I agree everything is in constant flux which one might call action and reaction but there are many forces in play most of which we do not understand or do not even have the means to comprehend. I think it is much more likely to be our consciousness that acts as a force rather than sub-consciousness.

We have free will, which must be driven by a conscious action and therefore we initiate the things we wish for or not of course …

As ever my best regards. JP

[K626]

I on the other hand can prove the earth and us have the same mind.

Interested?

K

[Tony]

Posted by ace (here)

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
Dear All,
There surely must be someone else who wants to disagree?
I'm open to suggestions!

pie'n'eal

Ok I will step up to the plate, Wisdom don't exist, its man made,
Book's Written by Humans for humans.

Ace

Dear Ace,

Right, deception changes at every level,
But also perception changes at every level.

The ultimate wisdom cannot be expressed in word, true!
It's simplicity is unbelievable.

So we have to go through the process of making a statement,
and then refining it. Level by level.

Constantly checking for self deception!!!

Nothing, no thing is true.

kind regards
pie'n'eal

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Posted by K626 (here)
I on the other hand can prove the earth and us have the same mind.

Interested?

K

Yes,yes.....yes!!!

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Posted by K626 (here)
I on the other hand can prove the earth and us have the same mind.

Interested?

K

I put my yes in the wrong place, !!!!!!!!!

[Tony]

Posted by John Parslow (here)
Hello again pie'n'eal

It's in constant movement, it is reacting, yes.
But it cannot initiate anything!

Things are pushed and pulled around.
What creates all of this, probably our collective subconsciousness.
A huge knock on effect.

We are similarly pushed around by the collective.
Meditation gives one space to stop.........................!

I agree everything is in constant flux which one might call action and reaction but there are many forces in play most of which we do not understand or do not even have the means to comprehend. I think it is much more likely to be our consciousness that acts as a force rather than sub-consciousness.

We have free will, which must be driven by a conscious action and therefore we initiate the things we wish for or not of course …

As ever my best regards. JP

Hmmm...Do we really have free will? We have the intention, but there is lot of 'self' to get through

Yours meant with the best intention
pie'n'eal

[K626]

Too easy. I see you are mear dabbler in such matters.

You want to start with the modulaion between the brain (basically a magnet) and the earth (basically a magnet with a huge iron core).

Take a look at Schumann resonances.

Here

The fundamental frequency ought to be roughly
the time it takes electromagnetic radiation
to go all the way around the spherical shell.

Since the speed of light is about 300,000 km/sec
and one cycle is the circumference
of the Earth, which is about 40,000 km/cycle

the fundamental frequency should be on the order
of 300,000 km/sec
_____________________ = 7.5 cycle/sec
40,0000 km/cycle


A cycle/sec is just a Hz, so that 7.5 cycle/sec is 7.5 Hz.

The Schumann Resonances are actually observed
by experiment to occur at several frequencies
between 6 and 50 cycles per second;
specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz,
with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz.

The 7.8 Hz observed fundamental resonance is
close to the rough theoretical estimate of 7.5 Hz.


and here your brain


The natural frequencies of the Human Brain are:
Beta waves (14 to 30 Hz),
Alpha waves (8 to 13 Hz),
Theta waves (4 to 7 Hz), and
Delta waves (1 to 3 Hz).

Alpha frequencies
have been associated with meditation and relaxation.
Theta frequencies
have been associated with a dreamy, creative states.


To cut a rather long and complex short when the brain harmonises with the earths resonance it becomes calm, relaxed and creative.

Like child finding mother.

We ARE THE PLANET AND WE ARE WIN.

It's one of the reasons astronauts health deteriorates so fast once away from the earths
magnetic fields (resonance)...But that is another story...


cheers

K

[Tony]

Posted by bearcow (here)
To clarify there is a void in the hell like regions of the astral world, this is where most nihilistic thinking people spend time in the after life. It is illusory and not fun. This is not the same as emptiness. Emptiness is the underling truth that makes up all the forms in the temporal reality of the astral and the physical. true reality has non-being. To know true spiritual truth ie start the process of becoming enlightened, one must cultivate emptiness within their own self awareness

form is emptiness; emptiness is form

I'm bias.........perfect!

[Lettherebelight]

Everything is simultaneously one consciousness, yet individual consciousness.

Achintya beda beda tattva..

Push beyond what you think you know. Everything is personal, spiritual personalities.



There are personalities so far ahead of us in consciousness, that we are unable to comprehend.

[Tony]

Posted by K626 (here)
Too easy. I see you are mear dabbler in such matters.

You want to start with the modulaion between the brain (basically a magnet) and the earth (basically a magnet with a huge iron core).

Take a look at Schumann resonances.

Here

The fundamental frequency ought to be roughly
the time it takes electromagnetic radiation
to go all the way around the spherical shell.

Since the speed of light is about 300,000 km/sec
and one cycle is the circumference
of the Earth, which is about 40,000 km/cycle

the fundamental frequency should be on the order
of 300,000 km/sec
_____________________ = 7.5 cycle/sec
40,0000 km/cycle


A cycle/sec is just a Hz, so that 7.5 cycle/sec is 7.5 Hz.

The Schumann Resonances are actually observed
by experiment to occur at several frequencies
between 6 and 50 cycles per second;
specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz,
with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz.

The 7.8 Hz observed fundamental resonance is
close to the rough theoretical estimate of 7.5 Hz.


and here your brain


The natural frequencies of the Human Brain are:
Beta waves (14 to 30 Hz),
Alpha waves (8 to 13 Hz),
Theta waves (4 to 7 Hz), and
Delta waves (1 to 3 Hz).

Alpha frequencies
have been associated with meditation and relaxation.
Theta frequencies
have been associated with a dreamy, creative states.


To cut a rather long and complex short when the brain harmonises with the earths resonance it becomes calm, relaxed and creative.

Like child finding mother.

We ARE THE PLANET AND WE ARE WIN.

It's one of the reasons astronauts health deteriorates so fast once away from the earths
magnetic fields (resonance)...But that is another story...


cheers

K

Bloody clever!!!
Whose brain going to do this?

Most of us are just plain naughty!

You make me smile,
pie'n'eal

[Carmody]

And our attempts at global consciousness rely upon us communicating our differences to one another. so we can understand he context of our individuality and simultaneously find our similarities and connections. To find the unity point of all. Past, future, and the now.

This is where facebook, yahoo, Google can be ..and are...dangerous. Incredibly dangerous.

They are attempting to cocoon, to re-envelop the emergent duality being's attempts to come to the strength of the individual in the moment of the eternal now.

Raed this:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post222196

And, as I attempt to do this (put this post together), I get the(kind of) phone call(s) (that I get) from an unknown source that has a complex warble likened to that of a fax machine, but is not.

[Tony]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Consciousness which we all share needs content.
Awareness, which is what we are, is complete and does not need anything to be aware that it is.

Chris

Dear Chris,

Words and experience are not easy to put together, especially when we use them differently.
However this is fun!

From the point of view I follow, one uses mindfulness to remember awareness, and awarenesss
to realise consciousness. After that one just washes all concepts away, so nothing is clinging.

But as you say, there are some powerful qualities left, which have always been there!

pie'n'eal

[greybeard]

Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Consciousness which we all share needs content.
Awareness, which is what we are, is complete and does not need anything to be aware that it is.

Chris

Dear Chris,

Words and experience are not easy to put together, especially when we use them differently.
However this is fun!

From the point of view I follow, one uses mindfulness to remember awareness, and awarenesss
to realise consciousness. After that one just washes all concepts away, so nothing is clinging.

But as you say, there are some powerful qualities left, which have always been there!

pie'n'eal

Yes pi'n'eal
Words mean what I say they mean Lol
We are more or less saying the same thing

regards c

[Lettherebelight]

This is the daily prayer addressed to Bhumi Devi as soon as one wakes up from bed and before setting his foot on earth.

Samudhra Vasane Devi,
Parvatha Sthana Mandithe,
Vishnu Pathni Namasthubhyam
Pada Sparsam Kshamasva Mae

Meaning of the Prayer

Salutations to the divine wife of Lord Vishnu,
Who is clothed by oceans,
And is adorned prettily by the mountains,
Pardon me mother, for setting my foot on you