Is all of the Earth Israel?

[MoSh187]

I don't agree with any slaughter in the name of Christianity. In the Gnostic Texts Jesus despised the god of the old testament because of this. Whatever happened to "Thous shall not kill?" and "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword" <--- word's spoken by Jesus to a man who was willing to defend Jesus with violence... (at least that's how it happened in the movie anyway )

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
All we need to do is look into our own heart. If a religion is an organised religion, then you can bet it's already been infiltrated.

Truth is not the possession of something other than ourselves.

Man, know thyself.
One already has all the requirements for that. No religion necessary.

the time will come again when humanity will be in touch with it's heart and know without being told

now we might think that we're in touch but then we will know ; )

[RedeZra]

Posted by MoSh187 (here)
In the Gnostic Texts Jesus despised the god of the old testament because of this.

the PTB is suppressing this fact that God destroyed the Giants ; )

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the time will come again when humanity will be in touch with it's heart and know without being told

now we might think that we're in touch but then we will know ; )

Maybe that time is now.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
the time will come again when humanity will be in touch with it's heart and know without being told

now we might think that we're in touch but then we will know ; )

But you know what - there's nothing to be done about that. All one has the power to do is to know themselves.

Anything less is based on faith - which means it may well be misguided.

Just to say - I do get it with the enities - this is a spiritual journey. But that is life - it's not religion. We've been conned into thinking life is something else.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
But you know what - there's nothing to be done about that. All one has the power to do is to know themselves.

Anything less is based on faith.

no no experience and evidence ; )

yes you're right

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)
But you know what - there's nothing to be done about that. All one has the power to do is to know themselves.

Anything less is based on faith.

no no experience and evidence ; )

yes you're right

If it's based on experience and evidence - then it's not faith.


(not quite sure what you're saying in right about )

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)

If it's based on experience and evidence - then it's not faith.


(not quite sure what you're saying in right about )

hehe you're right

one has only oneself to work with in the quest for truth ; )

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)

If it's based on experience and evidence - then it's not faith.


(not quite sure what you're saying in right about )

hehe you're right

one has only oneself to work with in the quest for truth ; )

Well, that's not necessarily true . One can read information, one can read the experiences of others and the messages they have - but when it all boils down to it it is only for the aim of leading us to the truth within us.

As the Buddha said (paraphrased) learning is a raft - when you get where you're going you don't carry the raft around on your back.

[TWINCANS]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by TWINCANS (here)

That's part of it for sure. But there was much more. I mentioned Pythagorus earlier. Where did he go to school and for how long? Finding that out gives you some idea of the profundity of the 'lost' teachings.[COLOR="red"]

He attended the mystery schools in Egypt - it takes the initiates years to get through. Jesus aparently was also a student of the mystery schools. Possibly what he was doing for those missing years.

Now they got an education.

Yes, Pythagoras was initiated into the full mysteries and was made a full priest. No mean feat in that it took him 27 years to complete his education.

Think about that - 27 years. He delved into the music of the spheres, the way the building blocks of all creation rest on higher mathematics, the power of sound, of colour, of geometric form to pull divine energies into the 3D world in front of our verry eyes. Not to mention the 12 sets of opposites in the human consition etc. etc.

Christianity offers one guy, believe that and you're fine.

In fact Pythagoras is the missing link between the wisdom of the Egyptian mystery schools and the Greeks, and thereafter to our civilization. Too bad he followed the old idea of 'pearls before swine' and didn't openly share what he knew.


Jesus was schooled in Heliopolis, where many Jews lived at the time, but not initiated into the full mystery schools. He knew there was more to learn and left his family to explore. The 18 lost years in his life story are in part explained in a book found in a Tibetan monastery called The Life of Saint Issa... he became a wandering hippie-type meditator. He learned from the Jains, and the Tibetans. The now-missing manuscript is described in 'The Jesus Mystery' by Janet Bock.

There's another point here. Why do we forget that Cleopatra's daughters lived in Palestine and had children? Why do we not credit Pontius Pilate with some sense when he admitted that Jeshua ben Joseph was the king of the jews? Maybe he was. And maybe he was interested in his birthright on earth as much as in the etheric realms?

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Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Oh no we're not done, not by a long shot. We haven't even begun to ask where the original Egyptian religion came from.[COLOR="red"]

One book I read said it was from Atlantis.

That's what I remember.

[Teakai]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)

Jesus was schooled in Heliopolis, where many Jews lived at the time, but not initiated into the full mystery schools. He knew there was more to learn and left his family too explore. The 18 lost years in his life story are in part explained in a book found in a Tibetan monastery called The Story of Saint Issa... he became a wandering hippie-type meditator. He learned from the Jains, and the Tibetans.

There's another point here. Why do we forget that Cleopatra's daughters lived in Palestine and had children? Why do we not credit Pontius Pilate with some sense when he admitted that Jeshua ben Joseph was the king of the jews? Maybe he was. And maybe he was interested in his birthright on earth as much as in the etheric realms?[COLOR="red"]

Trying to dig up the true history of Jesus is just too hard. Too many ifs and buts and maybes - and prior to Christianity - if we are to believe what we are told - he was simply a poor carpenter- so who would keep records?
Then again - according to another history he is the bloodline of King David.

Was there really a Jesus. Was Jesus really Caesarian, did he die on the cross, did he go to India?
Did the invention of Jesus (and the great historic scam) really take place in the 14th century as according to Anatoly Fomenko?

That we believe Jesus existed is only important to the church who has built their fortune on him.
Some of the messages attributed to Jesus is what's relevant.
And the truths are truths no matter who utters them.

[TWINCANS]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by TWINCANS (here)

Jesus was schooled in Heliopolis, where many Jews lived at the time, but not initiated into the full mystery schools. He knew there was more to learn and left his family too explore. The 18 lost years in his life story are in part explained in a book found in a Tibetan monastery called The Story of Saint Issa... he became a wandering hippie-type meditator. He learned from the Jains, and the Tibetans.

There's another point here. Why do we forget that Cleopatra's daughters lived in Palestine and had children? Why do we not credit Pontius Pilate with some sense when he admitted that Jeshua ben Joseph was the king of the jews? Maybe he was. And maybe he was interested in his birthright on earth as much as in the etheric realms?[COLOR="red"]

Trying to dig up the true history of Jesus is just too hard. Too many ifs and buts and maybes - and prior to Christianity - if we are to believe what we are told - he was simply a poor carpenter- so who would keep records?
Then again - according to another history he is the bloodline of King David.

Was there really a Jesus. Was Jesus really Caesarian, did he die on the cross, did he go to India?
Did the invention of Jesus (and the great historic scam) really take place in the 14th century as according to Anatoly Fomenko?

That we believe Jesus existed is only important to the church who has built their fortune on him.
Some of the messages attributed to Jesus is what's relevant.
And the truths are truths no matter who utters them.

I also heard that there were at the time in Jerusalem 24 men by the name of Jesus. Which one are we talking about? As to the King David bloodline, I read that it's Mary his mother who's important. She's from the line of Aaron, and with his father being from the Levite line, he (and his brother James and his cousin John the Baptist - who was the first 'saviour' proposed until he was beheaded - join the civil kingship line with the hereditary priesthood line. Who knows? Who cares? This is politics from 2000 years ago, for pete's sake and we're still debating it? We have our own silly politics to worry about. Or not.

I really do not think the family were simple carpenters. IMHO.

How can we take any of it as Truth , founded on nothing but lies as it is? How can we believe what is attributed vs what is fabricated for power?
I agree that there are too many if, ands and buts. The rc church has destroyed the records, plain and simple. Read Theodocious - the laws against curioso, being curious. This organization is founded on power, money, brutality and secrecy. As stated, time for it all to be history.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)

If it's based on experience and evidence - then it's not faith.


(not quite sure what you're saying in right about )

hehe you're right

one has only oneself to work with in the quest for truth ; )

Well, that's not necessarily true . One can read information, one can read the experiences of others and the messages they have - but when it all boils down to it it is only for the aim of leading us to the truth within us.

of course it is oneself who must pick and choose

what to trust and what to trash


the seeker on the quest for truth must eventually throw away the trash else the seeker will become a walking talking garbage bin


it's not always easy to discern between truths and trash

as it takes many lifetimes filled with experience practise trial and errors


but if the seeker is honest and righteous upon this journey back to Self

then Self will guard one's back and point to the path ahead

at every crossroads ; )

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
of course it is oneself who must pick and choose

what to trust and what to trash


the seeker on the quest for truth must eventually throw away the trash else the seeker will become a walking talking garbage bin


it's not always easy to discern between truths and trash

as it takes many lifetimes filled with experience practise trial and errors


but if the seeker is honest and righteous upon this journey back to Self

then Self will guard one's back and point to the path ahead

at every crossroads ; )

True.
And in regard to organised religion the evidence and the contradictions contained there-in would expose much of it as trash and some of it as truth.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
True.
And in regard to organised religion the evidence and the contradictions contained there-in would expose much of it as trash and some of it as truth.

I am adamant in that Jesus Christ is a valid Name for the nameless Self or Spirit within

and I am grateful to the churches that have kept His legacy alive in the minds of men


the Antagonist of the historical Jesus is still alive and has been incessant in his attacks on Christianity from the get go... and sometimes Christianity struck back


the Adversary cannot afford that humanity lives the message of Jesus Christ

as that would render Satan helpless in spite of all his powers

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
I am adamant in that Jesus Christ is a valid Name for the nameless Self or Spirit within

and I am grateful to the churches that have kept His legacy alive in the minds of men


the Antagonist of the historical Jesus is still alive and has been incessant in his attacks on Christianity from the get go... and sometimes Christianity struck back


the Adversary cannot afford that humanity lives the message of Jesus Christ

as that would render Satan helpless in spite of all his powers

I agree to a point, but it seems to me that organised religion (am thinking Christianity in this case) has done far more to destroy that knowledge than preserve it. By presenting the kryst(Christ) as a person and not as that which lies within all men.
The Christian church has removed this knowledge from men and put it outside themselves.

[Wings]

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
Joseph Campbell recognized expert on world mythology, defines myth as follows "A one sentence definition of mythology? "Mythology" is what we call someone else's religion”

“Someone else’s religion” might just turn out to be THE truth.

Posted by TWINCANS (here)
About Constantine, there are so many references, including the Vatican Encyclopedia itself that questions the nails, along with the fact that Eusebius of Caesarea a contemporary author does not make reference to Helen finding the True Cross.

The truth is out there, just look. Don't only read the 'good book' if you want to find out about religion.

While religion may be the opiate of the masses, and each to his own drug of choice I would normally say, religious fundamentalism both Christian and Muslim, is IMHO the single biggest obstacle to the raising of consciousness on the earthplane. Needs to be over.

I have read that the historian Socrates Scholasticus questioned Eusebius’ style and selection of facts in his writings about Constantine, which was apparently also unfinished at the time of his death. Perhaps this may be why no reference was made to Helen finding the cross.
Have antiquity experts investigated to ‘verify’ that the ‘surviving’ nails and pieces of the cross are not (or are) what has been claimed?

Often history is just a battleground of ideas/stories where people fight against each other for the truth. Some ideas become disguised as truth, while others proffered as impossibilities and fables are truth.
The Trojan War story is one story that frequently falls into the category of MYTH - someone else’s religion by Campbell’s definition - but it happened. I was there, so I know.

The truth is indeed out there .... not necessarily found in stone; or in a book, even one written by an ‘expert’.

I am not very familiar with the “the book”, nor do I have a religion.
I’m not sure that religion is the opiate of the masses. It seems to me there are many more who prefer opiates/drugs as their religious therapy .... soul numbing stuff.

A lack of unconditional love is the single biggest obstacle to the raising of consciousness.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I agree to a point, but it seems to me that organised religion (am thinking Christianity in this case) has done far more to destroy that knowledge than preserve it. By presenting the kryst(Christ) as a person and not as that which lies within all men.
The Christian church has removed this knowledge from men and put it outside themselves.

the Catholic Church presents Christ as the Spirit within in the Eucharist ; )

[Intraphase]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)
I agree to a point, but it seems to me that organised religion (am thinking Christianity in this case) has done far more to destroy that knowledge than preserve it. By presenting the kryst(Christ) as a person and not as that which lies within all men.
The Christian church has removed this knowledge from men and put it outside themselves.

the Catholic Church presents Christ as the Spirit within in the Eucharist ; )

If creation is a system of operations and operators of creative tools then certain indexes and classifications would exist to search out tool boxes and tool sets.



The Book of Enoch unlocks the technical aspects of The Bible.

Pure Self - Chosen One - Red in Black - The Child - Old Testament God
Full Self - Lord of Spirits - Orange in Black - The Teenager - New Testament
True Self - Head of Days - Yellow in Black - Son of Man - Earth as Clock
Full Self - Lord of Ages - Green in White - Holy Ghost - Earth as Eternal Court
Natural Self - Most High Holy - Blue in White - The Divine Circuit as The Way

Then the Bible speaks of creation a second time.

Eternal Self - Pure Momentum - Black Vs White - Adult Creators in Motion
Immortal Self - All Self Balanced - Red Vs Blue - Adult Creator as Clock-Library


Each being who visits Earth is The Original Mold.
The Original Mold can seek non-existence but can not erase their Other Clocks.


Relevant Summary.

The God of The Old Testament is a child who grew up.
Yet he is still a exuberant child who has many "older" selfs.
They love him dearly as Their Origin as does Original Jesus.
You are now serving as a child god to your "others" out there.
As a child god... Well... Hows that workin out for ya?????????



The Clock called Earth has a long history of 4 billion years reverse and forward.
You are at the crossroads of your own historical "Monument Of Moments" rendering unto your others creations judgement from within The Eternal Court inside The Eternal Clock. By mutual agreement only is this day called 06-05-11.
Because for all the speculative analysis available somebody cleaned the clock.


The Chosen One - Origin Point.
The God of The Old Testament.
Noise Pollution Test Zone Video - 0:03 - 0:10

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8K7CNzFhnCE

The Lord of Spirits - Bodyguard
The God of The New Testament
Carries The Chosen One on his Back
"Get yea behind me Satan-Momentum" to 1979

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D6flXRCLPS0

The Head of Days
A Records Keeper Clock Builder
Receives The Records of Malfunctions & Corrections
Pulls The First One & First Two out of momentum system circuitry.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cRh14w2qtcE

"The Son of Man shall comes as a thief in the night"
The Lord of Ages - Whole Self as Inner Dialogues of 1-2-3
A Librarian for The All Clock makers. A Prime Circuit War-Den.
Returns from Creations Border to rescue Clocks from Self Destruction
Those clocks determined to self destruct are allowed and their others rescued.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LOESyEljmFE

The Son of Man bridges backwards: Rachael Exits with 1-2-3 AS 4 In 1.

Natural Self - Most High Holy - The First Border.
The Origin Clock Stops 07-07-1979 4:15 AM EST
The Clock roams the One Infinite One until it finds The Chosen One.
The Chosen One re-enters the clock effects repairs and returns to sleep.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=W0uqLM1uj_k

The Chosen One laughs at his detractors and his attractors.
The Natural Most High Holy whistles a happy little tune too


Eternal Self - Pure Momentum - Black Vs White - Adult Creators in Motion
Immortal Self - All Self Balanced - Red Vs Blue - Adult Creators as Clock-Library

Life goes on and space cowboys will be space cowboys & gangsters of love.
The Creator appears at 1:59 - In The Very Darkest Midnight Hour of Aloneness.
The Everything - A Thank You Song

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=up11CpSBx3Y

The Creator 1AS7 prays for his creations every day, do you pray for your 1,000,000 creations every day or do they wander the universe searching.

"Judge not lest yea be judged for the power of The Word is instantaneous"

So!!!

"Good night to you moonlight lady boys. Rock a bye sweet baby King James."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v2EZUw2mvjs

I believe in The Dream
I believe in The Dreamers
I believe in The Dreams they Dream.

If it happens here it already happened out there.
Each human clock is The One to 1,000,000 Others minimum.
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People got bored with "Egyptian Book of Gates."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/gate/index.htm
I think it is as good tool as any other tool set but low sales volume.
The Chosen One hopes others can learn from his Books of Life records.

Because those who don't learn from history......
Now saddle up and go round up some doggies or fix a fence.

[Teakai]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Teakai (here)
I agree to a point, but it seems to me that organised religion (am thinking Christianity in this case) has done far more to destroy that knowledge than preserve it. By presenting the kryst(Christ) as a person and not as that which lies within all men.
The Christian church has removed this knowledge from men and put it outside themselves.

the Catholic Church presents Christ as the Spirit within in the Eucharist ; )

My point exactly.
Christ/Kryst is to be found within - and not by eating a piece of bread and drinking some wine. How deceptive is that? All to keep people trapped in their minds, dependent upon the church for their 'salvation.' and forking out dollars.

[Teakai]

Posted by Wings (here)
“Someone else’s religion” might just turn out to be THE truth.

If we are all souls having a human existence - then there is no true religion - it is life. You can't seperate yourself from it it. It's a whole and it all counts.

Loving unconditionally isn't something one holds back for Sundays and holy days