Trashing Camelot/Avalon whistleblowers

[Calz]

I am all for truth.

I think every (legitimate) member of Avalon is.

All sides should be heard.

Ya know what ... I am damn tired of folks trashing Camelot/Avalon interview members putting their truth and often lives on the line ***without*** backing up their rationale for their claims.

Got something to say???

Bring it.

Don't post this or that person is a hoax/disinfo/whatever without backing it up.

Bad on you if you do.

If you have legitimate concerns then I expect all here will listen and consider.

Too much to ask ... then I have to question your motives for being here ...

[DNA]

I love project camelot/avalon interviews.
I love them.
I am so much more informed and I feel so happy to have gotten a chance to hear these opinions by different folks that are presented in a format of "here it is, do what you want with it".
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This is all information for contrast and comparison.
None of it is considered fact or verifiable, in so much as we the viewer have to be able to make sense out of the information through comparing and contrasting with our own findings.
There are some interviews that are pretty dang factual. Jane Burgermeister for instance,,,,,that's one of those rare ones you can take to the bank. Gary Mckinnon.
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I love the videos, I love them. And I would never criticize Bill or Kerry. Nope, I'm not going to do it.
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But I will mention some of the interviewees that didn't vibe with me personally. This is just a personal thing, I have no way of discounting them, and I'm not doing that. I'm just stating that they were not marching to the beat of my drummer is all.

1. Delores Cannon - I couldn't get into this and I love UFO stuff. This was just to unbelievably rosy and peachy to me.
2. Jessica a crystal child speaks out - I didn't get this at all.
3. Aaron McCollum - Verdicts still out on this one. I felt Kerry led the interview a little to strongly. Legit? I don't know.
4. Boriska - I personally just didn't get anything out of this. Was the kid making it up? Was he told what to say by adults? I didn't get it.
5. Bill Deagle - This is probably the most controversial of the interviewees I couldn't get into. I can't deny that this guy seems to know a lot of stuff. My problem is that he keeps coming off like he thinks he is the chosen one or something, and threading religious doctrine into his information.
6. Miriam Delicado - Please if some one can explain to me what Miriam's message is, I would appreciate it. All I got out of listening to a one hour and 44 minute video was she is in love with the Hopi people and the four corners area would be a good place to live in the event of a upcoming apocolypse. Her enthusiasm leaves something to be desired. I will refrain from comparing her performance to watching wet paint dry.

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Some of my favorites would be
- Ralph Ring
- David Wilcock
- Richard Dolan
- John Lear
- Graham Hancock
- Jane Burgermeister
- Jim Marrs
- Pete Peterson
- Joseph Farrell
- Benjamin Fulford
- Mr. X
- Gary Mckinnon
- Sgt. Clifford Stone
- Jordan Maxwell (for that ET story he talks about, meeting the girl in the diner and meeting her dad, awesome stuff)
- Leo Zagami, (he scares me)
- Klaus Dona
- Richard Hoagland (a difficult interview, a difficult man)
- Henry Deacon

[Steven]

There are some whistleblowers in whom I have never really gave much importance. I wouldn't prove them wrong, simply because I do not have the time, interest and care, but I simply do not take their affirmation into consideration. For example, Benjamin Fulford and Leo Zagami are in this group. On the other hand, people like Klaus Dona and Bob Dean are in high esteem in my opinion.

But, with that being said, I have never insult or trashed those I think are making a lot of their story up to fit their understandings of the situation. And if I voice my concern about someone, I will simply say why. No need for trashing and insult.

Take Drunvalo Melchizedek, I do not think this guy is honest. But it would cost me a lot of time and research to get to the bottom of my inner feeling about him. So, I simply remain silent when there is a thread about him.

What does bother me is when people comes here to trash them out and insult them without restraint. I have seen one member here, who was moderator at the time he did it, trashing and insulting Henry Deacon with vehemence, but without precising why and what exactly is the lie. That does bother me a lot.

Namaste, Steven

[Calz]

Posted by Steven (here)

What does bother me is when people comes here to trash them out and insult them without restraint. I have seen one member here, who was moderator at the time he did it, trashing and insulting Henry Deacon with vehemence, but without precising why and what exactly is the lie. That does bother me a lot.

Namaste, Steven

Exactly.

Every voice should be heard.

Not knocking those who speak against the vast list of whistleblowers ... only those that do a hit n run smear without explaining themselves or at least following up with their views.

Unless they have the fortitude to do so I question their reason for being here ... and that should be understood and incorporated into every avalonian's scope of evaluating all the information being put forth into this forum.

[Anno]

I think people need to remember that even though this is Alternative Media, it is still Media and the same rules apply.

If you think that behind the scenes, people like Maxwell, Icke or Jones are any different from Simon Cowell or Ted Turner then you're delusional. They are alternative producers providing a product to an alternative market and the people they bring before us are alternatives to mainstream characters and celebrities.
Their primary purpose is to entertain and to bring in a crowd for the generation of profit. If any truth gets passed along then it is a bonus.

Both the Alternative and Mainstream media contain the same truths. There was a Simpsons episode on UK tv last week talking about PSI and fake advertising. Most of John Carpenter's films are full of truth. South Park and Family Guy are full of it. Song lyrics are full of it.

Media is Media, alternative or not.

[bennycog]

I think avalon and camelot and manticore have the least amount of resistance to hearing what whistleblowers or informative folk have to say.. though i have only been on camelot avalon and manticore forums. 99.9 percent of the time here.. links to other forums not needing naming have had a lot more resistance to hearing what people have to say, ( and i am not damning any other forum just showing opinion). We legimately need the little bit of banter here to keep minds open and threads alive and having us come to our own conclusion, but without driving off anyone and keeping the info alive.

[Calz]

Posted by bennycog (here)
I think avalon and camelot and manticore have the least amount of resistance to hearing what whistleblowers or informative folk have to say.. though i have only been on camelot avalon and manticore forums. 99.9 percent of the time here.. links to other forums not needing naming have had a lot more resistance to hearing what people have to say, ( and i am not damning any other forum just showing opinion). We legimately need the little bit of banter here to keep minds open and threads alive and having us come to our own conclusion, but without driving off anyone and keeping the info alive.

banter = good

banter without merit or at least explanation = bad

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his mischevious hat...

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
I am all for truth.

From wikipedia...

Truth has a variety of meanings, such as the state of being in accord with a particular fact or reality, or being in accord with the body of real things, real events or actualities. It can also mean having fidelity to an original or to a standard or ideal. In a common archaic usage, it also meant constancy or sincerity in action or character. The direct opposite of truth is falsehood, which can correspondingly take logical, factual or ethical meanings.
However, language and words are essentially "tools" by which humans convey information to one another. As such, "truth" must have a beneficial use in order to be retained within language. Defining this potency and applicability can be looked upon as "criteria", and the method used to recognize a "truth" is termed a criterion of truth. Since there is no single accepted criterion, they can all be considered "theories".
Various theories and views of truth continue to be debated among scholars and philosophers. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective or objective, relative or absolute.

So which version of truth do ya mean...

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
***without*** backing up their rationale for their claims.

So does because I'm psychic or the space brothers told me so or this is the truth I feel cut the mustard as rationale, because if not a lot of what is purported to be truth here becomes nothing more than opinion...no?

Therein lies the rub, so to speak, since so much whistleblower testimony is unsupported by facts the membership can actually verify.

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
Got something to say???

Obviously...being the self opinionated pr!ck that I am...

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)
If you have legitimate concerns then I expect all here will listen and consider.

I sometimes wonder how those who lost memebership over the whole BMW aka Atticus aka Charles aka Stephen debacle feel about that statement.

just sayin...

Mad Hatter scuttles back into his cave to persue his study of advanced nuggetry.

PS Sorry but my Octal converter is currently broken

[Rocky_Shorz]

well you need to consider both sides, no whistleblower comes forward with truths that can be proven...

the secret is, do they have truths to share mixed with confusion.

If I learn 1 thing from what they are sharing then they are a good teacher...
If I learn nothing from what they are sharing which means my intuition brushed it all away, then they were a good teacher...

now some I shred if I feel they are purposely misleading and I'm sure the whistle-blower expects nothing different, but most I will read like a fiction story to have fun, and will leave for another subject without a word...

[Carmody]

Posted by Anno (here)

If you think that behind the scenes, people like Maxwell, Icke or Jones are any different from Simon Cowell or Ted Turner then you're delusional. They are alternative producers providing a product to an alternative market and the people they bring before us are alternatives to mainstream characters and celebrities.
Their primary purpose is to entertain and to bring in a crowd for the generation of profit. If any truth gets passed along then it is a bonus.



Media is Media, alternative or not.

I never gave it the term alternative media. Nor did any of us. Someone else did. Probably PTB related.

As for assumptions about Icke or Jones, on your part, they are assumptions. viscous ones, I might add. Small minded as well.

Don't parade such things as truths.

That is an insult to intelligence.

You just hit someone I respect with small minded slander.

Which is the very thing this thread talks about.

I apologize for seeming harsh, but that is the truth of it. And that, my friend, is an obvious thing, it's been done, by you, right here in this thread, plain as day, for anyone to see.


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Now..what I SHOULD post:

Please don't say such untrue things about David Icke. It isn't right. You are becoming ~or are~ the very problem the thread speaks on.

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OK. Try again:

I like most of your posts good sir, but you are wrong on that call.


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Which one you like?

Whatta ya think? 1, 2, or 3?

[Calz]

One thing to remember is that even deliberate disinfo agents need to offer enough truth to "sound plausible".

No black and white.

Nearly all are shades of grey ... anyone on this 3d existence claim to know everything???

[shadowstalker]

As I said in a previous thread like this, anyone can be debunk at anytime given enough time, and enough mistakes given my the whistle blower in someone elses mind. And folks are so often miss quoted by the so called viewer or listener.

Hell I can be debunk as a person, being born in this country or whatever, simply because my birth certificate was never sign by a doctor.

[Anno]

Posted by Carmody (here)
As for assumptions about Icke or Jones, on your part, they are assumptions. viscous ones, I might add. Small minded as well.

Don't parade such things as truths.[...]

Please don't accuse me of lying Carmody. At least not unless you have evidence to support your claim. There are plenty of people here that know the truth about those two and the connections between them and the people they are publicly against along with the behind the scenes legal actions. Yet people hide behind the fact that most forums won't allow the truth the be discussed because of the fall out that will happen. If you want to follow liars and frauds then that is your business. Don't attack me because I refuse. That's just rude. =]

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think what they are saying is prove it...

I myself feel the Reptilians that David Icke tells us all about are what I consider inbred frogs...

which does make them reptiles...

so I might see them differently, but do understand what he is sharing...

Hey Carmody,

who's turn is it for water-skiing through the Lilly pads?

did you know when your shoulder is down to the water so you can hear the fish that the blade is cutting through the water at over 30,000 pounds?

[Anno]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I think what they are saying is prove it...

I myself feel the Reptilians that David Icke tells us all about are what I consider inbred frogs...
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They know damn well we can't post proof of it on forums that are friendly to them. It's a garunteed ban. That's why they attack people who bring it up. If you want the proof, go look at the infinite love community forum.

As for these frogs you keep talking about. I noticed a jewelers called Goldsmiths who've been around for a few hundred years. Their logo is a Frog with a Crown above it. Is that related to what you're talking about?

I have to be honest, I get the sense that you are talking a whole lot of sense but I don't always understand what you are saying half the time. It's all a bit cryptic.

[ulli]

The nineties was a great time, when someone who was old and felt they had nothing to lose, and maybe had no close family members they cared about that would get hurt from their disclosure, and felt it was time to write down a few top secret memories...and then somewhere else, someone else did something similar, and they met...this was long before the digital disinfo machine got put into action...
Later I saw "fake" websites pop up one after the other...trying to discredit people...
you could tell they were fake as they always had these silly ufo graphics that no self respecting retired navy admiral would have put there...

[ulli]

Posted by Anno (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
I think what they are saying is prove it...

I myself feel the Reptilians that David Icke tells us all about are what I consider inbred frogs...
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They know damn well we can't post proof of it on forums that are friendly to them. It's a garunteed ban. That's why they attack people who bring it up. If you want the proof, go look at the infinite love community forum.

As for these frogs you keep talking about. I noticed a jewelers called Goldsmiths who've been around for a few hundred years. Their logo is a Frog with a Crown above it. Is that related to what you're talking about?

I have to be honest, I get the sense that you are talking a whole lot of sense but I don't always understand what you are saying half the time. It's all a bit cryptic.

to understand Rocky you have to stand on your tiptoes and stretch your whole being...a very healthy excercise...
with time you will learn to read between the lines...

[pilotsimone]

I don't understand why it's so hard to pick the one piece (or pieces) of information we disagree with and state clearly the reasons we disagree. Instead, many choose to attack the individuals themselves...their 'egos'...who they hang with...how they act...how much money they charge for things, etc.

Look at any thread containing the names David Wilcock or Steven Greer to get an idea what I'm saying. Lots of people go on ad nauseam about personal characteristics they don't like and never mention anything about the actual information they present.

I think it's completely intentional most of the time.

I also think we could nip this sort of nonsense in the bud if more members were willing to point it out when it's happening. These (often subtle) personal attacks devalue Project Avalon. And from my experience on debate forums it doesn't take very long for these people to catch on that it won't be tolerated.

The focus in EVERY SINGLE THREAD should be on the message, not the messenger.

[Aquarius]

Certain messages have a ring of truth. You know it when you hear it. Focus on the message. If Bill, David, Kerry, or Whitley are in it for the money, I can think of easier ways to obtain it - and so could they!

[Lefty Dave]

Posted by Anno (here)
I think people need to remember that even though this is Alternative Media, it is still Media and the same rules apply.

If you think that behind the scenes, people like Maxwell, Icke or Jones are any different from Simon Cowell or Ted Turner then you're delusional. They are alternative producers providing a product to an alternative market and the people they bring before us are alternatives to mainstream characters and celebrities.
Their primary purpose is to entertain and to bring in a crowd for the generation of profit. If any truth gets passed along then it is a bonus.

Both the Alternative and Mainstream media contain the same truths. There was a Simpsons episode on UK tv last week talking about PSI and fake advertising. Most of John Carpenter's films are full of truth. South Park and Family Guy are full of it. Song lyrics are full of it.

Media is Media, alternative or not.

I don't NEED to remember anything in this post...and I don't like being called delusional !The three individuals you mentioned are performing a SERVICE to others. The three that you mentioned have endured a lifetime of hardships to bring us to awareness . ( The people they bring to us risk their lives to inform us). Their primary purpose is NOT their products! Their products accompany their purpose...(one must turn a buck !) Alternative media was born out of distrust or disbelief of mainstream media...comparing the two is an insult to truth.
Stick with the Simpsons and South Park !!!

Blessings