New Andrew D. Basiago Radio Interview

[marsiantourist]

Posted by onawah (here)
A camera and a soldier? The photo just looks like a couple of rocks to me.

Hi onawah. I know these pictures take a little time to get used to. What is visible in that pic from Sol 482 taken by the Mars rover Spirit is a helmet buried in the sand up to the cheekbones, the right-hand eye socket is a little lower than the left-hand one. Symmetrical eye sockets and nasal cavity can be discerned. On the left side of the helmet there is what looks like a camera. Contrast has been played with, white splotching added. The software used by Malin is the same Google Earth is displaying in their pics of whatever Earth they purportedly show. I added a little color to highlight detail. Yellowish marks the eye sockets, reddish the point where the breather valve should be, blueish what looks like a camera to me.

Why I think it shows what I am inferring? This guy didn't get numbered ''seven'' by me for kicks. Number two has a bullet hole in the helmet. Number one is still wearing a Gentex helmet, including integrated oxygen supply, and so on. As I said, either these pics are not taken on Mars but somewhere else where somebody can let loose his perverted fantasies or they are outright fakes. However, this isn't just a bunch of rocks. Military men being the slobs they are, Mars is littered with army material like helmets (the Advanced Combat Helmet Nato is also using), boots, ammo boxes and other stuff. There are a lot of small scavenger animals where these pics are taken because, as in Vietnam, only helmets are left of casualties because they cannot be cracked. Sometimes the heads are still in them.

I think Basiago is tasked to divert attention from this. From the interview: "... even if Mars were not populated, it should be protected..." this quasy-quote is revealing, I think. Like: "We must kill the Earth's population to protect the planet" and other psychopathic stuff uttered by diverse luminaries. Basiago believes what he's saying, though at times his programming seems to run a little thin. Small wonder, ANY intelligence must be crying out loud when forced to utter phrases like: "...courageous Al Gore...", if you care to follow my thinking. Courageous because he's been tasked to shake us down even more? This is indefensible. And mining rights in our Solar System have not been given to messrs Resnick, Cramer, and O'Neil, for nothing (http://www.specintel.com/marsROC/index.htm).

No reason to get wild, just what I'm making of this. In my book there will not be any constraints on pics, then you will see if you care to.

Our Solar System is a great and crowded place. We here on Earth are the only ones not supposed to know about this. The only quarantine supposedly imposed on us is inferred by those who want everything for themselves.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by marsiantourist (here)
Hi onawah. I know these pictures take a little time to get used to. What is visible in that pic from Sol 482 taken by the Mars rover Spirit is a helmet buried in the sand up to the cheekbones, the right-hand eye socket is a little lower than the left-hand one. Symmetrical eye sockets and nasal cavity can be discerned. On the left side of the helmet there is what looks like a camera.

But only if you've already been front-loaded about what to look for.

The way the mind works (which is why not front-loading is so important when giving targets to remote viewers) is that we all automatically place filters in our perception so that when we expect patterns to manifest, then they do so.

In short, we see what we expect to (and hear what we expect to, find evidence to support what we believe is real - etc etc).

I talked with Andy Basiagoi at length about this and told him he'd made an error when he at the same time said that what he was presenting was evidence and also had to tell people what to see.

You can't have it both ways!

I suggested to him that what would have been far more convincing was to get an un-frontloaded focus group of 15-20 people and ask then ask them what they saw in the photos in which Andy insisted there were skulls, animals, statues, artifacts, buildings, etc.

If no-one (or very few people) saw anything remarkable without being prompted, then this could not be regarded as evidence. It would only be a minority perceptive opinion. But if everyone (or a significant majority) saw what Andy was seeing, then it was could be said to be 'real' - or potentially so.

Remember, reality is what is agreed to be there. It's a perceptive minefield. Because Andy is a trained lawyer, and his own modus operandi is to persuade people with evidence, he (in my opinion) fell into the trap of arguing too strongly for the existence of things which most other people could not see.

Then, because in this 'court' we're in (the 'court' of UFO/ET evidence), PR counts more than the 'objective truth', he was laughed at when he made his image analysis claims.

None fo this is derogatory to Andy. I've told him all of this in person, and the discussion we had would have made for a fascinating interview (which we hope will happen in 2011). My view is firm that he was mistaken in trying to persuade people about "Life on Mars" using the image analysis route.

Much better would have been for him to tell his personal story - although this too has become more detailed over time, and I regard his much more limited (but still highly important) testimony from my initial conversation with him in February 2008 as the most reliable and credible.

[str8thinker]

Bill, you hit the nail on the head. I don't care if Basiago is a bloomin' genius or not. If he starts making dogmatic assertions like this, he is either out to promote himself to gullible people, or he is paid disinfo, or both, just like so many others we know.

[Scott]

Personally I am more interested in the Teleportation & Time Travel aspect of Andy's story, I am not an image expert nor have I spent 1000+ hours studying PIA10214 so I stay away from Image analysis related opinions, I just do not have the eyes for it I guess, I see rocks.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by str8thinker (here)
Bill, you hit the nail on the head. I don't care if Basiago is a bloomin' genius or not. If he starts making dogmatic assertions like this, he is either out to promote himself to gullible people, or he is paid disinfo, or both, just like so many others we know.

Actually, I think it's the third option.

He wanted to offer his teleportation testimony in detail (and had been planning to do this for at least two years), but - thinking as a practicing lawyer - felt that his personal story would be too incredible to believe without some kind of proof.

So he tried to gather together 'proof' using the Mars images - as a precursor to his more sensational personal revelations.

My own opinion, and that of Kerry, is that was a mistake... because by the time he got to his personal revelations (which I believe have significant credibility: at least the teleportation stories, which are detailed and contain names, dates and places) he was already regarded as a crackpot (or as best, naive) by most serious ET researchers.

As I said above, it's all about PR. After people have already made up their minds, it doesn't matter what you say.

[Scott]

Ok just finished uploading the YouTube version of the Interview with Andy.

Enjoy!

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PReAnZMfpaU

[Ahkenaten]

Thanks so much, Aztar. And I agree that you are totally, 100% correct about the invented connections syndrome in fact I am always admonishing others to be careful of it.............I am waiting for your update! On the invented connections issue, unfortunately it is all too human to press for what I call the GRAND THEORY OF EVERYTHING - it is kind of hard-wired into our cognitive functions probably enhanced by neural linguistic programming. Again - I am playing devil's advocate here - all in the name of transparency, honesty and truth and am totally open to whatever takes us there together! Ahk

[Ahkenaten]

Posted by Satori (here)
I have had two telephone conversations with Andrew Basiago. The first was just after Bush "won" the 2004 pResdential [s]election and the second a few years later when he came to New Mexico to try to determine whether his memories of being teleported (or whatever the term is) to Santa Fe, NM, as a child are real or false memories. I spoke to him for about two hours the first time. Only a few minutes the second time.

Bill, if you remember and deem it worthy of your time, ask Andrew if he recalls calling a lawyer in Albuquerque, NM, USA, who was referred to him by Ernest Garcia. Then ask him about Ernest Garcia. (I am that lawyer.) The story of Ernest Garcia is fascinating.

Although when Andrew called me the first time in late 2004 about the possibility of my launching a challenge in New Mexico to Bush's election results, we soon got to talking about Ernest, which then led to Andrew sharing with me at great length his experiences as a child. As I recall his father worked in some black op for the Fed and in that program Andrew would be teleported from back East to Santa Fe NM, usually to the front of the capitol building in Santa Fe, or to the PERA building near by. He also talked about Lamy, NM, which is near Santa Fe. He shared with me that on one occasion when he was teleported to Santa Fe, he buried a toy in the ground near Lamy so that when he was older he could return to that location and dig the toy up to prove that his memory was not false, but real. As I understand it, when Andrew was in New Mexico a few years ago (when he called me the second time) he was here to return to places like Lamy to dig up old toys and such seeking, and I think hoping, to verify his memories.

I recall that when I asked him about the technology involved to make teleportation possible, I expected him to rattle of a name like Einstein. But he did not. He said Tesla, Nikola Tesla. I had never heard of Tesla until my conversation with Andrew that day. Since then I have made it a point to look into Tesla.

He also spoke of Donald Rumsfeld being present when he, Andrew, was teleported to Santa Fe in the 1970s. He mentioned that Rumsfeld would have lunch with Andrew and his father and he emphasized a particular waitress that served them. He also spoke of Rumsfeld time/space traveling too and that Rumsfeld, in the 70s, had film or video of the WTC center collapsing on 9/11. Rumsfeld brought this footage from 2001 or so back to the 70s. I recall Andrew mentioning being with Rumsfeld and with other kids about Andrew's age in the basement of a building in Golden, New Mexico. Golden is along the Tourgoise Trial in NM, near Santa Fe.

The clear implication from what Andrew was telling me vis-a-vis Rumsfeld is that the PTB know the "future" because they have been there and back and travel to and fro. The PTB often seem so self-assured because they are. Their hubris comes from knowing (or thinking they know) what lies ahead; according to what I gathered from Andrew.

I was so intrigued by what Andrew was telling me that I found myself taking notes; which is my habit anyway. I kept these notes for awhile, but tossed them a year or so ago. I do not recall that he said anything about going to Mars when we spoke, but that does not mean anything one way or the other. There was a lot he did not share with me.

I found Andrew's story to be incredible; not in the sense of not credible, but in the sense of very hard to believe. However, everything he said had an internal cohesiveness and consistency. To me, what he was telling me was (is) either the truth as he sincerely understands it, or he was (is) a con man with a very good memory and a well-rehearsed script.

But, to quote Jerry Spence (I think): "I'd rather have a mind open to wonder, than one closed by belief." My mind is still open to Andrew Basiago.

I have to say that this Rumsfeld bit is really odd, don't you think? Or is it just me.

[charlesfrith]

I'm struggling with this guy so if you have any context that will help. First of all he's ex govcorp/intelligence offspring and that's always a bad start. Then he always talks about his degrees. I wouldn't mind that but he doesn't actually say anything provocatively intelligent or even close to profound. Just a story about teleportation with no pics. I'd expect a decent philosophical viewpoint on the matter of free energy vs fossill fuels from an M Phil from Oxford but he just doesn't deliver. Can you help me out or is he just disinfo?

[Makoto]

Bill, I also met Andy a few times and discuss all pertaining the subjects continuously with him for a few days at a time last year of 2010. Please remember that possible mind control or torture he went through after the training program one’s mind (Did he tell you about the incidence that the medical technician put needles into his spine to have him forget experience with pain and the most of his class mate of few friends he knows from the project out of 140 elementary students cannot remember when he called them again a few times after phone discussion or so, their memory about the subject disappear while they are talking in span of a week or so) and the brain function can be enhanced or altered, I do not have to remind you that. Stewart told me some time as you can see in the case of i.e. Tiger wood, visual acuity will increased up to 8 times (800%) also in case of super soldier, human recording machine, extremely high IQ, etc , Maybe the way his visual cognitive process is different. Andy is not seeing and understanding what we are looking at. He only wanted to use the laptop (HP) has special visual output chip (special algorithm chip and no longer manufacturing) for his presentation and saying that this one has much clear output. Unfortunately, he could not secure the laptop from the ebay after his first one was broken. And also he might have remember how some of the statue or living creature he saw on the surface in close proximity from his direct experience, that would give him different visual prospect as well. That being said, he is a bit stubborn side I admit that though…
Also in the radio Ed said he does not have memory as being Andy and his friend and Obama’s instructor, but Al bielek and Stewart both said Military often use time loop to create the secondary time line to do some black op job/research. Sometime the person does not remember what happen in the other time line. Some do after age 40 or so… I think Andy did that by himself 1968 or something he spent two summers of the same year differently, I do not remember which year it was.. anyway just a thought.

[charlesfrith]

I have to always point out that Basagio is mind wiped and programmed to kick in with increasing amounts of information as we're seeing. Futhermore he's got five degrees including an Masters of Philosophy from Oxford and he's never said an interesting sentence from a philosophical point of view or written anything thought provoking. He's primed for big time and time will prove me right or wrong in the next six months or so.